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Posted by: campbellcj Sep 7 2003, 12:36 AM

Is it just me, or is Rennlist really "dying"?

Traffic on the 914 and racing email lists is almost nil, esp. in terms of actual p-car content. About the only stuff I visit anymore is the racing web forum (some decent threads, actually) and the classifieds. Both of those are open to the public and I would guess that 80% of the users are not members. In fact the member classifieds are always almost empty; the "guest" classifieds are the only ones worth looking at.

I've been a member since 1999 and this is the first time I have even blinked at renewing. I honestly feel like I'd rather toss the $18 to this board, or Dave's fund, or to another magazine subscription.

Am I the only one who feels like Rennlist is "slipping"?

Posted by: markb Sep 7 2003, 12:38 AM

Not from my perspective. I find good things about both lists. Mark

Posted by: Brad Roberts Sep 7 2003, 12:40 AM

I wont get snot slinging drunk at your house Sat. if you DONT renew. LOL

Sorry to hear that.. really I am...LOL

What about your discount that your membership number gets you at most Porsche places ??


B

Posted by: campbellcj Sep 7 2003, 12:43 AM

Mark, I guess I should clarify that I'm not saying Rennlist is "bad".

But it is much, much smaller and "different" in attitude and content than a few years ago.

The 914 list used to have like 100+ posts a day and dozens of highly active posters. Now it's more like 5-10 new posts max, most days, and IMHO the "content ratio" is meager.

Posted by: markb Sep 7 2003, 12:56 AM

Yeah, Rennlist has slowed down a lot in the years since I joined, but I think it's because a lot of the "conversation" posters (Jeff, Sammy, etc) aren't as into the cars as much. Plus having this List to "chat" on means less traffic over there. I see many names that used to post there are now posting here. I'm not bashing anybody for anything, just passing on my .02 worth. As I said, I find good things about both, and intend to fully support both. I wish I was going to be able to join you all saturday after German Autofest, but I'll have to be up reeeeealy early sunday to unload 2 vanagens full of parts for the swapmeet, so slammin' the brews will have to wait. Hope to see many of you there. Mark

Posted by: Brad Roberts Sep 7 2003, 01:22 AM

We need a BORING smilie...

Want to place any bets that I can turn Rennlist into a barn burner again (100 posts a day) ??

B

Posted by: seanery Sep 7 2003, 08:31 AM

When my membership is up, it's up and over. I read the racing list, but a couple times this summer it turned into a pissing match between two 944 tuners who disagreed. Then there was the big harness bar discussion.

I don't read the 924/944/968 forum anymore and I quit reading the 914 forum about may or june.

Posted by: Lawrence Sep 7 2003, 08:32 AM

Whatcha gonna do over there, Brad? Start advertising SSI?

wrong for so many reasons,
Rusty

Posted by: ! Sep 7 2003, 09:39 AM

I can't even get a flame war going over there anymore.....

The only anal list left is the 356 registry......but they are too stoopid to get the jokes....

Posted by: redshift Sep 7 2003, 01:29 PM

Mike.. just mention hair, they absolutely freak.


M

Posted by: si2t3m Sep 7 2003, 02:17 PM

I'm in the same boat. Received my renewal and i'm hesitating.

The 914 is here now.

Marc-André

Posted by: ! Sep 7 2003, 02:30 PM

Just got my first free rogaine package......where do ya put this....?

Posted by: Rouser Sep 7 2003, 03:41 PM

The only 914 & T-IV-related sites I predominately visit are Pelican Parts' 914 Forum, ShopTalk's Type 4Forum & 914 Forum, and Yours Truly; they're about the ONLY sites you can get any definative 914-type info, other than "What type of carnuba wax do you use on your Cab?" *or* "Is Windex way too harsh for my Turbo's windshield?"

And yes, I would pay to be a member here ...

Posted by: ChrisReale Sep 7 2003, 04:14 PM

914world.com is the only place I would pay to be a member. Well, then there's that porno site....

Posted by: Qarl Sep 7 2003, 04:27 PM

Can someone tell me what benefit there is to Rennlist anymore?

Are there any discounts at any Porsche parts places any more that make it worth it? If so where, and what is the savings?

No real topic discussion any more?

You can still view the classifieds (or what little there is anymore) for free.

So.. why spend the $$$

Posted by: Jeroen Sep 7 2003, 04:36 PM

Got my membership renewal from RennList as well...
Well... actually, it's Zoey's membership (which I got her when she was born). I'm a "lifer"
But the action on RennList is really down for quite some time

I have good memories about it though (geez, I sound like an oldtimer) and if it wasn't for PorscheList/RennList, I'd never gotten this deeply involved with both the cars (specially technically) or even the internet...

Dunno about the renewal yet... It's here somewhere on my "paper stash"
I guess it'll depend on my mood what I'll do with it, when it goes through my hands again

cheers,

Jeroen

Posted by: Brad Roberts Sep 8 2003, 12:47 AM

ChrisR.. that is FUNNY. I consider this PORN.


LB ..I would do one better. I would promote MYSELF and benefit from it...



B

Posted by: MarkV Sep 8 2003, 12:53 AM

Funny, so does my wife.

Posted by: Brad Roberts Sep 8 2003, 12:58 AM

My wife will be with some of here friends.. and I will make the comment: "I'm going to Borders Books to buy some Porn"... they flip out and ask her why she allows me to have PORN in the house..blah blah...


I come back with "RaceCar Engineering" and they breath a sigh of relief...



B

Posted by: ChrisReale Sep 8 2003, 01:58 AM

That 911 Performance Handbook I bought a few weeks ago was the same one you and I were looking at at Barnes and Noble when you were up here visiting your wife. I should have got it then

Posted by: Brad Roberts Sep 8 2003, 02:24 AM

Read it as often as you can. Bruce Anderson will NOT be matched in our lifetime as a writer. Plenty of people trying.. but you cant beat his personal experience with the 911's.


B

Posted by: HarveyH Sep 9 2003, 06:00 AM

My take on Rennlist renewal is that every reputable 914 resource deserves as much support as we can provide. Every year fewer and fewer parts/accessories are being listed by the various parts houses. I'm sure some of this is due to Porsche's continued denial of the existence of the 914 (Boxter, Porsche's first mid-engined production car since the 550), but I think it is mostly because of the shrinking market base.
Yes, Porsche made 119,000 914's, but as more cars are broken up for parts, or are scrapped, there is not enough call for new parts to keep those portions of the business economically feasible. Quite a few parts houses (GPR, Pelican, DC Automotive, etc) start out as niche suppliers for 914, but as their businesses grow, the 914 market becomes a smaller percentage of their total business, and they can increase their profit margins by concentrating on the higher turnover lines. It may not be politically correct to say so, but business don't stay in business if they don't make a profit.

Harvey
No connection to Rennlist except as a paying member.
No connection to any of the parts houses except as a paying customer.