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914World.com _ 914World Garage _ Time to Rally boys and girls! My phantom Grip

Posted by: rick 918-S Feb 28 2006, 07:23 PM

Here's the email I received with my reply attached.

> We regret to inform you that we will not b able to fulfill your custom order
at this time and we will have to refund your money back to your credit card. It
seems during some technical problems we had last year with our machines
software, the dimensions for this unit were deleted,erased, somehow along with
some others.Please keep this credit transaction for your records.Transaction
Results
>
> Thank you kindly,
> Sales Dept.
>
>
>
> GET A GRIP!...Phantom Grip
> www.phantomgrip.com
> sales@phantomgrip.com
> Sales/Marketing Dept.
> 561-423-8320:Fax

Dear Sir's,

I'm very disappointed you had to cancel my order. Is there any way you would consider making this unit for the Porsche 901/915 transaxle? I could ship you a carrier for the re-design.

I am a member of a very large and active on-line club. I posted I was purchasing your product and having it installed in my car. There 5000 members waiting for the outcome here. If you made a Limited Slip for this transaxle you would sell them like hot cakes.

Please consider my offer. My transaxle is currently apart and I can box and ship you a carrier to use. One of the other units you build may even fit in the 901/915 carrier.
Other German carriers are very much the same.

Please call If I can assist in any way.

Respectfully,

Richard A. Ollah

P.S. If you question the interest in your product here's a link to the website. There is a search button in the upper right corner. Do a search for Phantom Grip

The site may be down as they are upgrading the server. So if it's down come back and check on Friday.

www.914world.com

If you would like discuss this with me, you may reach me at *******

Well boys and girls, I'm truely bummed! I really thought we were onto something here. I wonder if we should start a petition or an email/fax drive.

Would you consider a 1000 emails and faxes from interested prospective buyers, Spam?

Posted by: Andyrew Feb 28 2006, 07:38 PM

twould be cool if they made it for us...

I know I would buy one, or two.. or three.. lol

and if they are reading... I'd buy millions to give to my friends!!

ha, no, one is enough... Dont be quoting me....

Posted by: spare time toys Feb 28 2006, 07:42 PM

I sent my email to them asking them to reconsider tooling back up for these

Posted by: Brett W Feb 28 2006, 07:45 PM

Let me make a couple of calls. I may have an option.

Posted by: seanery Feb 28 2006, 07:59 PM

dude, that sucks Rick! Especially knowing how excited you were last week when they charged your card. That's a tease in the worst way.

Posted by: turboman808 Feb 28 2006, 08:07 PM

why not make your own??? easy as pie to make your won phantom grip type lsd. I think getting the tranny out is harder.

Posted by: Mr.C Feb 28 2006, 08:17 PM

I was excited about this too. In fact today I was telling a friend about it and he was even interested.

Posted by: Mueller Feb 28 2006, 08:19 PM

i'm thinking it never existed or it was a total failure.........

Posted by: Headrage Feb 28 2006, 08:49 PM

QUOTE (Andyrew @ Feb 28 2006, 05:38 PM)
and if they are reading... I'd buy millions to give to my friends!!

What, ya gonna give 500,000 to each one?

Posted by: messix Feb 28 2006, 09:26 PM

i bet alpha could whip em up outa ti.

Posted by: rick 918-S Feb 28 2006, 09:54 PM

205 views with 9 replies?

Posted by: VegasRacer Feb 28 2006, 10:20 PM

QUOTE (rick 918-S @ Feb 28 2006, 08:54 PM)
205 views with 9 replies?

What do you want us to do to help?

Can you work it out with them?
Do you need us to act as an angry mob?

Posted by: rick 918-S Feb 28 2006, 10:31 PM

QUOTE (VegasRacer @ Feb 28 2006, 08:20 PM)

QUOTE (rick 918-S @ Feb 28 2006, 08:54 PM)
205 views with 9 replies? :WTF:

What do you want us to do to help?

Can you work it out with them?
Do you need us to act as an angry mob?

Hi John I like tha angry mob idea.

I just thought there would be more interest in a low cost option. I guess if your not spending $ 2000.00 + on an installed Quaife your not getting value.

Posted by: KaptKaos Feb 28 2006, 10:35 PM

You're lucky, if it was AA, they would have charged you shipping too and then not tell you they weren't making them.

I know you are bummed, I was just trying to lighten things up a bit.

Posted by: GWN7 Feb 28 2006, 10:36 PM

I looked at their web site...not very informative....mostly "here it is...buy it" a few charts and pics of cars...no tec info on how/where it mounts......

Posted by: Loser_Cruiser Feb 28 2006, 10:40 PM

QUOTE
a few charts and pics of cars...no tec info on how/where it mounts......

Yeah maybe it was posted on the other thread but would the transmission have to be completely taken apart to put this in? Could a loser like me put one in myself?

Posted by: V6914 Feb 28 2006, 10:57 PM

There is a guy that makes units, for different cars, and was sued by Quaif, over Copy Rights I believe, and he won, he proved his units were different, not copied.

To make this short, it was said, he's suppose to make some to fit the 901, around a $700 to $800 price tag. This was last year.

Posted by: rick 918-S Feb 28 2006, 11:04 PM

QUOTE (V6914 @ Feb 28 2006, 08:57 PM)
There is a guy that makes units, for different cars, and was sued by Quaif, over Copy Rights I believe, and he won, he proved his units were different, not copied.

To make this short, it was said, he's suppose to make some to fit the 901, around a $700 to $800 price tag. This was last year.

The beauty of the PG is you don't have to do a R&P set up. You remove the carrier, slide the spyder shaft out, install the pg, and re-install the carrier using the exsisting set up. I've been told the R&P set up is lengthy and a major part of the cost. I was hoping the introduce a low cost option to an otherwise expensive up grade.

Ya, I'm bummed.

Posted by: V6914 Feb 28 2006, 11:24 PM

QUOTE (rick 918-S @ Feb 28 2006, 09:04 PM)

QUOTE (V6914 @ Feb 28 2006, 08:57 PM)
There is a guy that makes units, for different cars, and was sued by Quaif, over Copy Rights I believe, and he won, he proved his units were different, not copied.

To make this short, it was said, he's suppose to make some to fit the 901, around a $700 to $800 price tag. This was last year.

The beauty of the PG is you don't have to do a R&P set up. You remove the carrier, slide the spyder shaft out, install the pg, and re-install the carrier using the exsisting set up. I've been told the R&P set up is lengthy and a major part of the cost. I was hoping the introduce a low cost option to an otherwise expensive up grade.

Ya, I'm bummed.

Well, if it's a race car, pull the carrier, weld up the spyders, it works great, if you only go in a strait line, or race on a dirt track, or Drift race.

I, guess I'am not helping.

Posted by: alpha434 Mar 1 2006, 02:11 AM

SPAM sent.

Damn gestapo bastards.

Posted by: turboman808 Mar 1 2006, 06:15 AM

well if ya drive your car like a momentum car then ya don't need one

Of course tearing around a corner with tires spitting smoke can be for also.

Posted by: boboli914@att.net Mar 1 2006, 07:32 AM

This is what I understand from this thread....

%^&$^%##^%^&%* (excuse the spelling)

But it seems important to you all, so...

Posted by: Travis Neff Mar 1 2006, 09:46 AM

Brett, what is up your sleeve?

Posted by: rick 918-S Mar 1 2006, 10:42 AM

Wooooo! Hoooo!

Here's the response!

We could do the in house fitment if that is your wish. Let us know when you
are ready to send the unit or around the time so we can be expecting
it.Turnaround should be about a week if all goes well. cost is around the
same price. Thank you for your interest in our product and we hope to be
able to get this done. We are sure we have something that will work. We did
do a 915 carrier back in 02' though. Let us try to find more info and see if
we can find the part # first, and we will let you know. Give a few days on
this please.
Thanks again.

Posted by: Joe Ricard Mar 1 2006, 10:44 AM

Oh I know I'll be in deep shit over this but I will probably want one

Posted by: rick 918-S Mar 1 2006, 12:07 PM

Just sent them a response. I still hope this will work out.

Posted by: seanery Mar 1 2006, 12:20 PM

Great News Rick!

Posted by: Andyrew Mar 1 2006, 12:24 PM

Cool beans!
I wonder if this will make my trani esplode faster?

Posted by: degreeoff Mar 3 2006, 07:34 PM

does this work like a real LS or is it "lacking" in some way?? I am no expert by any means so some one plz explain this to me.....

By the way how much does this thing cost?

Thanks
Rick

Josh

Posted by: rick 918-S Mar 3 2006, 07:46 PM

I didn't here back from them yet. I'll bug them on Monday to see If they just want me to ship mine to them for the custom fit. Once they finish with mine they will have a part number available. Then you all can start slamming in the orders.

I don't know how it works. I will know more once PG is finished and Brad completes the rebuild. I will give you all a complete report.

Cost is $ 350.00. To install you slide the spyder shaft out, install the PG, release the clips. the springs apply pressure on the spyder gears. Kind of like the old style clutch packs in the american muscle cars. At least that's what I'm assuming.

I hope to have a good report.

Posted by: Aaron Cox Mar 3 2006, 07:47 PM

oh... so its not a LSD?

im sooo confused....

Posted by: rick 918-S Mar 3 2006, 07:51 PM

QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Mar 3 2006, 05:47 PM)
oh... so its not a LSD?

im sooo confused....

Their web site and info in not very clear. But for $ 350.00 I'm trying it.

Posted by: alpha434 Mar 3 2006, 10:30 PM

QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Mar 3 2006, 05:47 PM)
oh... so its not a LSD?

im sooo confused....

It's posi-trac.

Remember posi-trac? From those big honkin muscle cars? Well. It's really expensive and unwieldy for them now. But it'll work perfect for us.

The idea is that it locks the diffs up on acceleration and releases them when your off of them. You adjust the spring tension to make it more or less responsive.

I asked them for a print. Ti, anyone?

Posted by: army dude Mar 4 2006, 02:25 AM

This sounds great,but, how quikly do you think a v8 will make it grenade? popcorn[1].gif
Ian in Iraq

Posted by: alpha434 Mar 4 2006, 02:27 AM

QUOTE (army dude @ Mar 4 2006, 12:25 AM)
This sounds great,but, how quikly do you think a v8 will make it grenade? popcorn[1].gif
Ian in Iraq

It all depends on torque.

The Ti version won't be as hardy as steel. I'll tell you that much. But it will be hardier than aluminum!

Posted by: Andyrew Mar 4 2006, 03:50 AM

Alpha.. "depends on tq" is a shitty comment when he told you a v8....

Attached is my engine dyno. Junkyard rebuild w/ mild cam, intake and headers... on SMOG heads.. THIS is about as much as a 901 can take..

and this shows you what a v8's tq curve looks like... Back that behind a Posi trac 901, and you'll blow it up.

btw, the run was taken from 2k-6.3k rpms(they couldnt get the coil wire to work..)

Attached image(s)

Posted by: XHead Mar 4 2006, 09:37 PM

Hi Guys,

I am one of the visiting X1/9 guys and someone on your board saw my Phantom Grip install on my picture page. I have a fair bit of experience with Phantom Grip having done a few in both street and race cars.

If you want I could do a brief techical overview of the unit, how it works and installs.

Let me know.

Posted by: Aaron Cox Mar 4 2006, 09:38 PM

QUOTE (XHead @ Mar 4 2006, 08:37 PM)
Hi Guys,

I am one of the visiting X1/9 guys and someone on your board saw my Phantom Grip install on my picture page. I have a fair bit of experience with Phantom Grip having done a few in both street and race cars.

If you want I could do a brief techical overview of the unit, how it works and installs.

Let me know.

yes please!

Posted by: alpha434 Mar 4 2006, 10:41 PM

QUOTE (Andyrew @ Mar 4 2006, 01:50 AM)
Alpha.. "depends on tq" is a shitty comment when he told you a v8....

Why do you attack me like that all the time? It really kind of pisses my off. V8s making torque isn't a constant. Thats an overgeneralization. If you had to, you could get your torque low enough to make it accept a 901.

Posted by: bondo Mar 4 2006, 10:44 PM

Posted by: spare time toys Mar 5 2006, 08:15 AM

QUOTE (XHead @ Mar 4 2006, 10:37 PM)
I have a fair bit of experience with Phantom Grip having done a few in both street and race cars.

If you want I could do a brief techical overview of the unit, how it works and installs.

Let me know.

Yes please start a new thread on how it works, how to install, what you like/dislike about it. That would be great

Posted by: seanery Mar 5 2006, 10:15 AM

QUOTE (XHead @ Mar 4 2006, 10:37 PM)
Hi Guys,

I am one of the visiting X1/9 guys and someone on your board saw my Phantom Grip install on my picture page. I have a fair bit of experience with Phantom Grip having done a few in both street and race cars.

If you want I could do a brief techical overview of the unit, how it works and installs.

Let me know.

:welcome:

Yes, that would be awesome!