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Posted by: Joe Ricard Feb 28 2006, 07:36 PM
OK here is what I did . sanded primed and fit the flare.
marked all the spots for rivets. 3/4" from edge spaced 5 7/8" apart
Then used double sticky tape and stuck the fender to the car.
marked the layout and position so I could repeat.
pulled off flare marked 1 1/2 inches in and made a cut line.
Without a single beer I took a deep breath and fired up my Hitachi jig saw with extra fine blade
30 seconds later I had a big ass hole where the fender was.
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Posted by: Joe Ricard Feb 28 2006, 07:37 PM
The hole No turning back now
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Posted by: Joe Ricard Feb 28 2006, 07:38 PM
Had to trim here and there on the bottom edges of the car and flare for a good fit
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Posted by: Joe Ricard Feb 28 2006, 07:39 PM
I just have it hanging on with #6 1/2" hex screws pulled up nice and tight all the way around.
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Posted by: Andyrew Feb 28 2006, 07:39 PM
not nearly the size hole I cut... lol
f/g? Looks good
Posted by: Joe Ricard Feb 28 2006, 07:41 PM
So Paul here ya go to answer the question will the big fatty slicks fit????
I Don't know depends on how much the tire is pinched on the rim.
FYI the tire in the bag is 22 x 9.5 x 15 Hoosier bias ply slick cross section is 12" off the rim.
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Posted by: Joe Ricard Feb 28 2006, 07:42 PM
Nuther fatty pic
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Posted by: Joe Ricard Feb 28 2006, 07:43 PM
and for reference here is a 225/45-15 Hoosier on a 15 x 8 Diamond rim with 4.75" backspace. Tons of room
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Posted by: Joe Ricard Feb 28 2006, 07:44 PM
nuther
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Posted by: SirAndy Feb 28 2006, 07:52 PM
did you use the "flared rocker panels" as a guide to where to mount your fender flares?
if not, you'll have to use a lot of bondo to make this look right ...
Andy
Posted by: Joe Ricard Feb 28 2006, 07:55 PM
BONDO???????????? 
Big fatty pop rivets baby that's why I took such care in laying out where the holes go.
Going to paint the fenders then rivet them on and leave the rivets shiny. and a black piece of beading to trim the edge of the flare.
Posted by: Aaron Cox Feb 28 2006, 08:00 PM
please weld up your sidemarker hole first....
Posted by: Joe Ricard Feb 28 2006, 08:04 PM
Yea yea yea. it was dark as crap when I cleaned up. I'll get to it this weekend as the paint drys on the flares.
Posted by: balljoint Feb 28 2006, 08:51 PM
Just one done? ONE? Whatter you playing around on the computer fer? Hurry up, git at 'er!!!
Lookin' gud though. 
Posted by: Joe Ricard Feb 28 2006, 09:14 PM
Maybe a drawing of "how to" fuck up a perfectly good fender. 
Where is Miles when you need him.
Posted by: shadygrady Feb 28 2006, 09:21 PM
That's looking good. 
My track car has flares like that. I left town when my mechanic got out the saw. couldn't stand to watch. 
the black fender welting for VW bugs works well. you can get it from JC Whitney. I also used black plastic pop rivets, and they go well with the black welting. as info I put 255/40zr17's on 10 inch wheels in the back and had room to spare. 235/45/zr17's on 9 inch wheels fit well in the front. the 17's fill out the wheel wells really nice. I tried some 275/50zr15's on 15x8 fuchs in the back, but the left side would not clear even though the right side would. I believe 265's would fit. Will try to take some pictures to post.
Posted by: Joe Ricard Feb 28 2006, 09:28 PM
I have learned that tire numbers have very little meaning to me.
Section width is what matters and I think I pushed it too far with the slicks. Off the rim section width is 12" Hopefully the tire will get pinched in enough to change the section width.
Does anyone know what Chris Foley runs on his orange car?
Posted by: J P Stein Feb 28 2006, 09:36 PM
The only place you may run into a problem is with the height of the fender lip.... and that at full (or close to) lock & full suspension compression. I had to raise the fender opening bout 3/4 inch. also had to do some trimming at the back edge of my LE air dam & adjacent fender....which you cut away.....normal rife height was the worst. I had to push the fender out and reweld the support.
It's a PITA to check for the clearance at full compression & lock, but better than tearing up tiars or body work at an AX.
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Posted by: john rogers Feb 28 2006, 09:49 PM
That is pretty much just how I did mine. I used some Cleco fasteners to help hold the flare on while driling additional holes. I also bought a pneumatic riveter at Harbor Freight for $20 since I got tired of squeezing that dammed rivet plier. I learned to put a piece of tape around the rivet area as the rivet tool tends to jump some. I also found it works well to back the inside of the rivet with aluminum rivet washers.
Posted by: Joe Ricard Feb 28 2006, 10:00 PM
I've been thinking about them rivet washers. Great minds think alike eh?
So John what size tire have you run in front?
Posted by: J P Stein Feb 28 2006, 10:16 PM
You didn't ask me, Joe, but mine are wide enuff to learn all about "scrub radius" and that I'm agin' it. Gonna try something different up front this year
Posted by: john rogers Feb 28 2006, 10:59 PM
I use 9x23x15 cantilever slicks on both ends. I have Centerline 4 bolt road race wheels and use 5/8 in spacers in the rear and 3/4 inch spacers in front. I am also using the alloy 4 bolt hubs but I think the wheel spacing is about the same as a stock hub.
Posted by: Joe Ricard Mar 1 2006, 05:44 AM
| QUOTE (J P Stein @ Feb 28 2006, 08:16 PM) |
| You didn't ask me, Joe, but mine are wide enuff to learn all about "scrub radius" and that I'm agin' it. Gonna try something different up front this year |
Because your tires are so damn fat AND I listen good to what you have done to your car.
My son and I were talking, we figure the Red Neck Racer has progressed to about where your car was 3 years ago. maybe 2.
Hell I even have some of you old parts
Well it is going to be a stretch to get them tires in the front to fit. Going to be hell to pay if I need to get skinnier ones for the front.
But But honey really I'll just keep these for whenthe rear tires need replacing and just get another set for the front. Where is the frying pan to head smilie.
Posted by: watsonrx13 Mar 1 2006, 05:57 AM
Joe, what have you DONE????????????? 
BTW, nice job.... 
Can you post a pic inside the fenderwell, looking up at the top of the flare? I'm trying to understand how you 'finished' the metal fender and what kind of a gap is between the metal and f/g.
-- Rob
Posted by: Racer Chris Mar 1 2006, 06:12 AM
One thing leads to another, eh!
I run the same Hoosier slicks on 7x15 rims but the shape of my flares is very different from the GT style. I think your slicks will be an inch narrower once mounted on 7" wide rims. My tires rub the inner fenders before full lock but never rub the outer fenders.
Posted by: Joe Ricard Mar 1 2006, 06:41 AM
Hey, Paul ya here that? Theres hope for us yet?
Thanks Chris. BTW I'm a getting used to the header and silencer. The nieghbors quit complaining guess they gave up. 
and it is sooooo purdy. 
Posted by: bd1308 Mar 1 2006, 06:43 AM
Hey joe, dont be scared....it's all gonna be okay man
that one flare looks incredibly 'bootylicious' (cant believe i just said that)
b
Posted by: Joe Ricard Mar 1 2006, 06:52 AM
Britt, You crack me up.
Rob, the gap on the inside is minimal. I will take a hammer and dolly to get the lip tight against the fiberglass.
I am going to get some kind of caulk / adhesive stuff to go inbetween. just has to be real thin so the gap is tight. Don't want the rocks and sand to get gaught up inbetween. Probaly spray a VERY thin layer of under coating just to seal it.
Posted by: URY914 Mar 1 2006, 09:17 AM
Joe,
Sorry I haven't replied earlier but I've been sick.
I about shit too when I saw how wide those babies when mine were delivered. And I just painted my car a few weeks ago. My tires airn't mounted yet but I'm running 8" rims so my section will be a little wider than yours.
I'm more worried about the front than the rears. Cause in the rear I'm using spacers to get the tire out to the flair. But on the fronts, as JP said, its when you start turning whose big tires is when the trouble starts.
What about the overall height of the tire, is it less than your street/ax tires?
There is also +/- 3/4" worth f/g on the inside of of the wheel opening you can cut out to get some more room.
P
Posted by: Joe Ricard Mar 1 2006, 10:16 AM
Hmm, The rims that Degreedoff is sending me are 8.5" wide.
I also have the 4 diamond wheels 8" wide. with 5" backspace and 4.5" backspace.
Looking up the tire spec on R&S racing they call the tire a C3000 What does that mean? is it a cantilevered slick? May have to raise the car a bit. and "fine tune the fender lip"
AND DOWN THE SLIPPERY SLOW I SLIDE.
Posted by: URY914 Mar 1 2006, 10:27 AM
Hooiser calls it a C3000, it's in their spec table on the web site.
I don't think it is canlievered. If it was the tire would be marked with "this side out facing" or something. I looked at mine and didn't see any markings.
P
Posted by: Joe Ricard Mar 1 2006, 10:36 AM
SO, if there is a need for a smaller tire. what are the options?
23 x 8.5 x 15 only comes in a harder compound 35 and 45 or something like that.
Would have to do all four to keep tire pompound the same. Wife is going to kill me. 
Posted by: URY914 Mar 1 2006, 11:45 AM
I say keep those tires and make the flares work. Re working the flares with fiberglass is better than a harder tire. 
Posted by: bd1308 Mar 1 2006, 02:00 PM
| QUOTE (Joe Ricard @ Mar 1 2006, 10:16 AM) |
| AND DOWN THE SLIPPERY SLOW I SLIDE. |
yeah that happens when you get older, or so i hear
if you meant slope, yeah thats the one i'm at the top of right now, should i keep it aircooled or not?
b
Posted by: Joe Ricard Mar 3 2006, 08:26 PM
Just keep it on topic
Progress made today rear flares permanently attached I am please with the results
Fronts are ready to go got the side markers welded up primed and painted. Front fenders get riveted Saturday.
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Posted by: Joe Ricard Mar 3 2006, 08:27 PM
Close up this is EXACTLY what I wanted
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Posted by: Joe Ricard Mar 3 2006, 08:29 PM
Under side because Rob asked
nice and tight to the edge rivets with backing washer, Great idea John Rodgers. Pretty much a PITA but worth it.
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Posted by: J P Stein Mar 3 2006, 08:29 PM
Hay, good lookin' rivets
*Maybe* I'll get used to the welting. 
Posted by: Joe Ricard Mar 3 2006, 08:30 PM
Figures I got the one rivet that didn't get a washer.
Nuther of the under Gee I should scrape al that nasty stuff off and put new in. 
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Posted by: Aaron Cox Mar 3 2006, 08:32 PM
looks cool.
MOAR PICSHORES
Posted by: Mueller Mar 3 2006, 08:39 PM
looks good...I changed my mind, can I have my flares back now??
Posted by: Joe Ricard Mar 3 2006, 08:39 PM
Oh yea and special shout out to the old guy JP. He saw fit to send me 100 of the sexy rivets because everything around here was under water.
Posted by: Joe Ricard Mar 3 2006, 08:41 PM
| QUOTE (Mueller @ Mar 3 2006, 06:39 PM) |
| looks good...I changed my mind, can I have my flares back now?? |
Yea 500.00 because they have been upgraded to
a running car
Posted by: grasshopper Mar 3 2006, 08:43 PM
i think that is what i am going to do on my car.... still cant decide yet....the more and more i look at the GT flares, the more i like them... i might get 916 flares though.... they are a little more rounded.... Love the Work!!! good job Joe!
Posted by: Aaron Cox Mar 3 2006, 08:44 PM
| QUOTE (grasshopper @ Mar 3 2006, 07:43 PM) |
| i think that is what i am going to do on my car.... still cant decide yet....the more and more i look at the GT flares, the more i like them... i might get 916 flares though.... they are a little more rounded.... Love the Work!!! good job Joe! |
they are one and the same barry.....
Posted by: J P Stein Mar 3 2006, 08:46 PM
I don't send them rivets to just anybody, ya know.
Them's are special AX rivets & only fast guys (or those with promise) get em'.
Posted by: Joe Ricard Mar 3 2006, 09:05 PM
Well Next is the door skins and gutted early doors. Could take awhile for that. Been spying the engine lid, lots of extra metal on that baby too. Let's see take the lid off the stripper get the screen off and make me a GT lid. WHoo HOO !
Man I just gotta stop. Whoops too late off to the garage.
Posted by: grasshopper Mar 3 2006, 09:11 PM
| QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Mar 3 2006, 06:44 PM) | ||
they are one and the same barry..... |
Posted by: URY914 Mar 3 2006, 09:16 PM
Flares:
916=GT
Posted by: URY914 Mar 3 2006, 09:18 PM
Joe,
Do we have to go back and repost all the stuff we talked about on PP when the Club was down??? 
P
Posted by: Joe Ricard Mar 3 2006, 09:49 PM
| QUOTE (URY914 @ Mar 3 2006, 07:18 PM) |
| Joe, Do we have to go back and repost all the stuff we talked about on PP when the Club was down??? :wacko: :lol: :confused: P |
Gosh I hope not because most of it was shit I didn't want to hear.
Guess I will play with the tire un-mounted tomorow and see what is what.
Maybe take some Duct tape and squeeze the sidewall and bead to 8 1/2" WHICH IS WHAT SIZE RIM I AM GOING TO RUN.
Not 7 not 3 not 8 not 6
EIGHT AND A HALF INCHES.
Worse case I'll call John and work something out.
Posted by: Joe Ricard Mar 3 2006, 09:52 PM
???????????????? Why do they call the tire a 9.5 width if it mounts on a 10" rim????????????
Posted by: Aaron Cox Mar 3 2006, 10:04 PM
| QUOTE (Joe Ricard @ Mar 3 2006, 08:52 PM) |
| ???????????????? Why do they call the tire a 9.5 width if it mounts on a 10" rim???????????? |
sounds like someone didnt read the tire spec sheet
Posted by: J P Stein Mar 3 2006, 10:20 PM
| QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Mar 3 2006, 08:04 PM) |
| [QUOTE sounds like someone didnt read the tire spec sheet |
Sure, blurt it all out in the center of the 914 world.
Joe.....I hope they wuz cheep.
Maybe you can rivet em' on
Posted by: Joe Ricard Mar 4 2006, 08:44 AM
Rivets????????? No way them too expensive.
How about duct tape????? 
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Posted by: bd1308 Mar 4 2006, 08:46 AM
there ya go joe! now you're talking. Just hope ya dont roll off of that duct tape when you go in a corner....
taking the redneck racer to the max :lol b
Posted by: Joe Ricard Mar 4 2006, 08:49 AM
Actually like I said last night maybe if I pinch them down to what the rim will be.
Looks like it made them much skinnier. Tried my best to simulate where the tire sits at ride hieght in relation to the fender. got about an inch total on outside maybe a 1/2 inch to the strut. So if the back spacing is good I should have nothing to worry about. Rims were measured at 4.75" back space. plus I got a 1/4" spacer to screw around with.
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Posted by: Joe Ricard Mar 4 2006, 08:50 AM
nuther Doesn't that just look bad ass??
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Posted by: Joe Ricard Mar 4 2006, 08:52 AM
If not it's all going to the dogs.
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Posted by: DNHunt Mar 4 2006, 09:02 AM
Hey Joe, that duct tape is hundred mile an hour tape to boat racers, but that just for holding busted pieces of deck on or cowling so it doesn't fly off. I don't thiink it's meant for holding tires on hubs wheels are made for that. Sorry about stating the obviuous. I take it something that worked in your head didn't work on the car. I hate that when it happens cause what's on the car is almost always right no matter how much you massage it with your mind.
I got confidence in ya. You'll get it worked out.
Dave
Posted by: Joe Ricard Mar 4 2006, 09:07 AM
Dave, I'm sure there is some humor in your post somewhere. 
If I had not of met you in Gold Bar Why I'd (well You know) 
I think it will work. Howz your hot rod????
Posted by: Bleyseng Mar 4 2006, 09:13 AM
Joe, its about time you did another Gold Bar run. When you coming back up?
You gonna upgrade those tiny brakes too?
Posted by: DNHunt Mar 4 2006, 09:22 AM
Actually, I meant to comissurate with you. It's hard to get things from your head onto the car. I hope it works out.
I'm enjoying the hell out of it. I'm still working out a few things. It is really hard to start cold. We just need it to warm up so I don't need heat. By the way, the idea in my head right now is SS headers and heater boxes. Getting those from my head to the car is going to be really hard.
Dave
Posted by: Joe Ricard Mar 4 2006, 10:34 AM
Nah. just send a check to Chris he will send you all the header and heat you will ever need. 
Bet ya can't tell I love my Tangerine EVO.
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