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Posted by: Gustl Mar 18 2006, 02:28 AM

got info about a really cool car in Germany
just read the text:

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His toy is a '70 porsche 914-6, colour is (original) conda-green, rims 7x15 (911R). The car retired in 1977 and was stored away ever since. First owner was Gerd Quist, a well known racedriver for the MaxMoritz-Team in the 70s who used this gem as his private car. Being also serviced by MaxMoritz it wouldn't stay stock for a long period of time. Engine tune-up went for a 2,2l with 185PS, 911-S brake-calipers, a 914-GT suspension and much more bits and pieces "off the shelf" were fitted in these early days. So this car is absolutely unique. Although being one of the most ugly sportscars ever created, this one really got my heart.

o.k. - the last sentence is absolutely - but who cares




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Posted by: Gustl Mar 18 2006, 02:29 AM

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Posted by: Gustl Mar 18 2006, 02:39 AM

just to remember - this famous GT was driven by Gerd Quist




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Posted by: Gustl Mar 18 2006, 02:39 AM

'nuther


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Posted by: craig downs Mar 18 2006, 03:26 AM

I don't understand why 914's are labled ugly by so many people.
I can remember I was 13 when these cars came out and when I first saw one I fell in love with them the way they looked.
When I got mine 7 years later I never had so much fun driving a car.
I even still have it today

Posted by: Hammy Mar 18 2006, 04:06 AM

QUOTE (craig downs @ Mar 18 2006, 01:26 AM)

I don't understand why 914's are labled ugly by so many people. I can remember I was 13 when these cars came out and when I first saw one I fell in love with them the way they looked. When I got mine 7 years later I never had so much fun driving a car. I even still have it today

The first time I laid eyes on a 914, which was my 914 i have now, I fell in love. I love boxy looking cars. These ricey, slick, bubbly looking cars today make me

Posted by: MattR Mar 18 2006, 04:29 AM

They're ugly. Compare it to a 911... its a hideous car compared to the perfect shape of a long hood.

I'm selling my longhood 912 to keep my bastard 914. I love it that much more because nobody else does. Its like going for the gimpy fat chick at a party...

Posted by: Hammy Mar 18 2006, 04:31 AM

QUOTE (MattR @ Mar 18 2006, 02:29 AM)

Its like going for the gimpy fat chick at a party...

I think that's more along the lines of desperate..

Posted by: davep Mar 18 2006, 07:18 AM

When was Conda green an original color?
VIN ???????????

Posted by: michel richard Mar 18 2006, 08:10 AM

I think Conda green was never a 914 color. It was a 1971 911 color, IIRC, but was used on at least a few 914/6 GT cars, whether or not by the factory, I don't know.

Posted by: Headrage Mar 18 2006, 09:03 AM

I wonder how available those rear bumpers with the wide license plate recess are in europe.

I may need one in the fairly near future.

Posted by: grantsfo Mar 18 2006, 09:16 AM

QUOTE (craig downs @ Mar 18 2006, 01:26 AM)

I don't understand why 914's are labled ugly by so many people. I can remember I was 13 when these cars came out and when I first saw one I fell in love with them the way they looked. When I got mine 7 years later I never had so much fun driving a car. I even still have it today

Perhaps because 914's ARE ugly? I liked AMC Gremlins and Hillman IMPs in the 1970's does that make them pretty?

Posted by: ChicagoPete Mar 18 2006, 09:40 AM

Are those 5 bolt Fuchs on the VW bus on the other trailer? If they are....that is a trick setup for a bus!

The 2 cars must be a pair?

Looks like the 914-6 has also got a GT engine lid...that's not stock either.

Posted by: davep Mar 18 2006, 10:10 AM

QUOTE (michel richard @ Mar 18 2006, 06:10 AM)

I think Conda green was never a 914 color. It was a 1971 911 color, IIRC, but was used on at least a few 914/6 GT cars, whether or not by the factory, I don't know.

I agree it was never an official stock color, but the writer claims it was original. Perhaps it was a custom job to start with. If so, that adds another to my list of custom 'factory' colors. I always like to learn more about such things. VIN is very important, then comes the color number on the Karmann badge. I don't have a 914/6 with a custom color number yet. All the 914/4 I know of are from 1972 and later.

For a green it is very nice. Grasshopper color perhaps?

Posted by: SirAndy Mar 18 2006, 01:00 PM

QUOTE (davep @ Mar 18 2006, 08:10 AM)

For a green it is very nice. Grasshopper color perhaps?

conda green is darker, like the GT in the other pics ...

nice find!
Andy

Posted by: 914Sixer Mar 18 2006, 03:50 PM

I though you could order any color you wanted if you supplied the color chip. I think the added cost was about $195 in 73 because I was going to special order one.

Posted by: Gustl Mar 18 2006, 05:31 PM

QUOTE (ChicagoPete @ Mar 18 2006, 04:40 PM)

Looks like the 914-6 has also got a GT engine lid...that's not stock either.

this car was modified by Max Moritz with lots of GT parts
it also has some Carrera 6 parts (open air intakes, flywheel, ...)

currently it has less than 60k original km (about 37,500 miles)
it was stored in the underfloor garage of Max Moritz since 1978


I guess it was no problem for Max Moritz to get a factory original /6 in "their" standard colour "conda green" - they had very good relations to the Porsche factory
the colour might look very shiny on these pics, because the car got a new paint

Posted by: gfulcher Mar 18 2006, 05:46 PM

I believe it was either Automobile or Motor Trend Magazine back in 1970 that stated the 914 has "the grace of an erector set"...

Personally, I think the 914 is enjoying a bit of a renaissance right now, and like many others, I fell in love with the lines when I was very young.

But, 'ugly' is relative.. My other fun-car is a '73 VW THING..

-greg-

Posted by: JPB Mar 18 2006, 05:54 PM

QUOTE (Gustl @ Mar 18 2006, 03:28 AM)

got info about a really cool car in Germany just read the text: QUOTE His toy is a '70 porsche 914-6, colour is (original) conda-green, rims 7x15 (911R). The car retired in 1977 and was stored away ever since. First owner was Gerd Quist, a well known racedriver for the MaxMoritz-Team in the 70s who used this gem as his private car. Being also serviced by MaxMoritz it wouldn't stay stock for a long period of time. Engine tune-up went for a 2,2l with 185PS, 911-S brake-calipers, a 914-GT suspension and much more bits and pieces "off the shelf" were fitted in these early days. So this car is absolutely unique. Although being one of the most ugly sportscars ever created, this one really got my heart. o.k. - the last sentence is absolutely - but who cares

The 914 was never ugly specially once someone got behind the stearing wheel and got to the heart of the beast . Beauty is skin deep and as for a sports car, it was ahead of it's time in looks and drivability! Who the hell wants a rear or front engine car anyway?

Posted by: Rrrockhound Mar 18 2006, 06:37 PM

QUOTE (craig downs @ Mar 18 2006, 04:26 AM)

I don't understand why 914's are labled ugly by so many people.

I wish somebody like an art student or a designer would do an analysis of the 914's styling to explain why it's NOT ugly. Kinda like those features Motor Trend does on certain new cars where they point out every little design element and explain why it works.

Posted by: ChicagoPete Mar 20 2006, 07:29 AM

Hey Wolfgang,

I have seen some of your previous posts in addition to this one...You seem to favor the GT's and some unique 914/6's...

Did this 914/6 just change hands? Any idea of the price?

Peter

Posted by: Gustl Mar 20 2006, 10:53 AM

Hi Peter,
you're right - I really love all that mystery concerning teeners
no matter if it's about the 916, or 914-6 GTs, or 914 LE/GT/SL or just strange things on "normal" teeners

this one was sold in Nov 2005 - sorry, no price info
here are 2 pics of the car after it left the storage where it sat since 1978
it was the underfloor garage from Max Moritz in Reutlingen (Germany)

the pics were taken at the new owners place


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Posted by: Gustl Mar 20 2006, 10:56 AM

watch the front spoiler on the valance and the big Porsche crest on the hood
there is still the original license plate on the car

here's the back side - see the strange antenna and the Porsche script on the rear lid - similar like on the Monte Carlo GTs


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Posted by: Gustl Mar 20 2006, 11:00 AM

but now the best - I've also got a pic from the paint code tag
it says 26G (difficult to read, but the guy who took the photo told me so) which is the code for conda green at the 911s

see http://www.911c1.de/porsche/Technik/farben/farbcode_gruen.htm




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Posted by: Brad Roberts Mar 20 2006, 11:26 AM

I cant believe they used the rear tow hook to tie the car down on the trailer.

Thanks for the pictures.


B

Posted by: ChicagoPete Mar 20 2006, 04:19 PM

Brad, I do not think the tow hook is being used as a tie down, just as added security!

Wolfgang, I really enjoy your posts. This is obviously is a really special car. I often wonder where some of the "special" 914/6's are??? Like the ones they used for practice on the Targa Florio?

Do you ever come across anyone selling any of the rare parts associated with the GT's?

I am almost finished with a build of pretty accurate GT in the #1 Marathon livery...I cut up a perfectly good, all original 914/6 to have this built. Actually the car should have had the alignment today and if the weather is good enough driven...almost 280HP. Most of this is documented on Armando's site:
http://www.pbase.com/9146gt/other_9146gt_racecars_pete_jenkins

Regards,
Peter

Posted by: davep Mar 20 2006, 05:57 PM

QUOTE (Gustl @ Mar 20 2006, 09:00 AM)

but now the best - I've also got a pic from the paint code tag it says 26G

Gustl,
Now that is very interesting. The lilac car had the same thing, but it was repainted by the factory years later I believe. So rather than using code 98 Karmann actually used the proper paint code? Now that has an obvious repaint, however the badge itself has that paint on it so it must have been a repaint of the previous color at least.

Okay, on to the chassis # please. Thanks my friend.

Posted by: ein 6er Mar 20 2006, 06:37 PM

good stuff gustl!!! thanks for posting it. i'd love to hear the price!!!

here are a couple of the MM car at the 12 hrs this past weekend. didn't get any pics on track, , this is the current owner gasing it up after running out during the SVRA race. he looked little embarassed.

Posted by: ein 6er Mar 20 2006, 06:39 PM

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Posted by: McMark Mar 20 2006, 07:06 PM

QUOTE (Brad Roberts @ Mar 20 2006, 09:26 AM)

I cant believe they used the rear tow hook to tie the car down on the trailer. Thanks for the pictures. B

I think they just used it to pull it up on the trailer. It is connected to a winch. But STILL!

The color tag doesn't appear to have a chassis number stamped on it. Forgery?

Posted by: SirAndy Mar 20 2006, 07:20 PM

QUOTE (McMark @ Mar 20 2006, 05:06 PM)

The color tag doesn't appear to have a chassis number stamped on it. Forgery?

nope, replacement. you can get the blank tags from porsche/karman ...

the car was probably re-tagged with the 911 color code when it was repainted by MM ...
Andy

Posted by: Bleyseng Mar 20 2006, 07:32 PM

I liked the car in the background.....just like the one I had. 1500S SB




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Posted by: davep Mar 20 2006, 09:26 PM

QUOTE (McMark @ Mar 20 2006, 05:06 PM)

The color tag doesn't appear to have a chassis number stamped on it. Forgery?

The 914/6 does not have a chassis # on the Karmann badge.
The paint code is not the same series as the usual codes seen in a 914/6. In fact the 914/6 uses about 3 different codes and this appears to be a fourth type. Lord knows how they kept track of the paint codes because I am quite confused.

Posted by: SGB Mar 20 2006, 09:34 PM

The 914's lines are way ahead of it's time. The shape was primarily dictated by the length of the roof. That was kept to a functional minimum- cover two occcupants and a roll hoop structure. The engine rode under the hoop. Then the trunk was long enough to hold the roof. Wheels pushed out to the extreme edges. Straight lines with little ornamentation. Mostly just rectangles with radiused edges. Not perfectly square but nominally parallel lines - just the slightest rise over the rear wheel- ala 718 or RS spyder- but resolved into what was the signature type 901 (911) style squared around that roof shaped trunk. The raised front markers are another allusion to the 901 headlight bulge- in a reduced and more angular perportion to follow the overall theme. Look at todays cars- scions & mitsus & smarts or wjatever. Its all there- wheels at edges, slab sides, form folllows function is in. We already knew the car was all about function anyway.

Posted by: michel richard Mar 20 2006, 09:37 PM

Does anybody know what the paint code is for the orange part of the bumper ? Care to guess ?


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Posted by: ChicagoPete Mar 21 2006, 07:52 AM

Doug, The Meaney car that you have pictured changed hands a few years ago...the listing was on race-cars.com:
http://www.race-cars.com/carsold/porsche/914gt6/914gt6ss.htm



Michael, I have looked a bit into these bumper colors...using the Collier car as a guide and what we decided on was just pick a color that looks right against the the black half and against the color of your car. Mine was done in yellow and there were different shades of yellow that did not look right with the signal orange. It definately had to be a flat.

Although someone else may have some input on this...

Peter

Posted by: Gustl Mar 21 2006, 10:01 AM

QUOTE (SirAndy @ Mar 21 2006, 02:20 AM)

the car was probably re-tagged with the 911 color code when it was repainted by MM ...

if so, why is the code for conda green on it?
I'd say, if they painted it green at MM and re-tagged it, the tag shouldn't have green paint on it

possibly the car was really original conda green and got repainted in conda green in its early days

Posted by: nein14 Mar 21 2006, 10:11 AM

That GT resides in Pa., it belongs to Steve from Air Cooled Racing.

You can see it at the Hershey Swap Meet in April it is always there, he does a lot of Vintage Racing with it.

Very Cool in person!!!!!!

Posted by: michel richard Mar 21 2006, 10:15 AM

QUOTE (ChicagoPete @ Mar 21 2006, 05:52 AM)

Michael, I have looked a bit into these bumper colors...using the Collier car as a guide and what we decided on was just pick a color that looks right against the the black half and against the color of your car. Mine was done in yellow and there were different shades of yellow that did not look right with the signal orange. It definately had to be a flat. Although someone else may have some input on this... Peter

You mean the best way is simply to eyeball it ? And both the black and the secondary color on the bumper should be flat ?

Posted by: davep Mar 21 2006, 11:29 AM

QUOTE (ChicagoPete @ Mar 21 2006, 05:52 AM)

I have looked a bit into these bumper colors...using the Collier car as a guide and what we decided on was just pick a color that looks right against the the black half and against the color of your car. Mine was done in yellow and there were different shades of yellow that did not look right with the signal orange. It definately had to be a flat.

The colours were chosen to quickly identify which team car was pitting at a significant distance. At night a 'dayglo' colour would stand out much better. Now I don't know that any car ever used a 'dayglo' paint in this application.

Based on the presumption that it was used to differentiate team cars that had otherwise identical colour schemes and decals there is no great need to do it to every replica GT. It is nice eye candy for sure, and I don't say not to do it.

Posted by: SirAndy Mar 21 2006, 01:06 PM

QUOTE (Gustl @ Mar 21 2006, 08:01 AM)

I'd say, if they painted it green at MM and re-tagged it, the tag shouldn't have green paint on it

i think it was repainted more than once since MM originally got the car ...

Andy

Posted by: Gustl Mar 27 2006, 06:10 AM

today I got the info, that they have the COA and it says "Condagrün"
I asked him to send me a scan - I hope he will do so

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i think it was repainted more than once since MM originally got the car ...

but you know that the car was stored away in the underfloor garage of the MM Museum in 1977 and stayed there untouched till Nov 2005?

I don't think that the car was repainted very often in just 7 years, always belonged to MM and never raced ...

Gustl

Posted by: SirAndy Mar 27 2006, 11:38 AM

QUOTE (Gustl @ Mar 27 2006, 04:10 AM)

today I got the info, that they have the COA and it says "Condagrün" I asked him to send me a scan - I hope he will do so

that would be cool!

Andy

Posted by: ChicagoPete Mar 27 2006, 04:50 PM

Wolfgang,
See if you can get a price from him as well??

What do you know about the cars they used for practice/thrashed on the Targa Florio, are they still around, anyone own these? Any documentation of these cars?

Would seem that those cars would be historically significant...almost as important as the 914/6's that were used in the celebrity race at Ontario?

Have never seen a 914/6 come for sale represented as either of these?

Peter

Posted by: davep Mar 27 2006, 07:01 PM

A significant 914/6 with good racing history would go for about $100,000 and some would be double that.

Posted by: Gustl Mar 27 2006, 11:05 PM

QUOTE (ChicagoPete @ Mar 28 2006, 12:50 AM)

What do you know about the cars they used for practice/thrashed on the Targa Florio, are they still around, anyone own these?  Any documentation of these cars?

Targa Florio '70 practice cars:

914/39 914.0.43.0705 [S - U 3908] signalorange => Peter Gregg, USA => Brumos, USA
914/40 914.0.43.0709 [S - U 3909] signalorange => used for Monte Carlo '71 practice => ???


Targa Florio '71 practice cars:

914/50 914.0.43.2542 [S - W 1948] signalorange => used for Monte Carlo '71 practice & Marathon d.l. Route '70 RACE CAR #2 => Miles Collier Collection, USA
914/51 914.0.43.2543 [S - W 1949] signalorange => used for Monte Carlo '71 practice & Marathon d.l. Route '70 RACE CAR #3 => ???

Targa Florio '71 pre-practice cars:

914/56 914.1.43.0139 [S - Y 7714] signalorange => Monte Carlo '71 RACE CAR #3 => destroyed by factory (15. Sept 1972)
914/57 914.1.43.0140 [S - Y 7715] signalorange => Monte Carlo '71 RACE CAR #17 => ONS Safety Car
914/58 914.1.43.0141 [S - Y 7716] signalorange => Monte Carlo '71 RACE CAR #1 => perfectyl restored and for sale now (about EUR 250,000)

Gustl

Posted by: Teknon Mar 27 2006, 11:09 PM

That's my rear bumper, I never saw another one on another car before.

Posted by: ChicagoPete Mar 28 2006, 04:32 AM

Wolfgang,

That is great information that I never knew. I had no idea that the practice cars all saw life again as factory cars for the Monte and the Marathon.

If I remember correctly though, the practice cars were not outfitted as GT's? Don't recall seeing pictures of the in practice with flares or such? That is not to say the engines were not upgraded by the factory. I could only assume the engines must have been worked on...what would be the point of practice without the horsepower of the 906 motor? Only reconnoissance?

Perhaps these cars were first outfitted similarly to the MM car pictured at the start of this thread?

Posted by: Gustl Mar 28 2006, 06:27 AM

Peter,
there are two completely different things:

1) the condagreen standard body 914-6
it was ordered by MM as a standard 914-6 for Gerd Quist - he used this car only to get to the circuit on legal streets - it got beefed up from MM, because they had all the experience from preparing the GTs, which Gerd Quist raced
so, this car has hardly anything to do with a factory 914-6 GT, but for sure it's a unique piece of history, IMHO

2) the factory GTs - 13 cars were made
these cars started life as GTs
they were used for various purposes like testing, tuning, practicing, racing, ...
here is a picture of 3 factory GTs testing in the "Alpes de haute Provence" in Dec 1970 for the Monte Carlo '71
check that the last car isn't one of the Monte race cars, but 914.0.43.0709 (the practice car) - and my suggestion is, that the other two cars are #2 and #3 from the '70 Marathon de la Route



here's another pic with these 3 GTs during the same session, at the tyre-test-station



Gustl

Posted by: ChicagoPete Mar 28 2006, 08:10 AM

Frrom the 2nd picture they look to be Marathon cars...BUT, in the first picture and in the inset(small) pictures looks like both of the front two cars are wearing hood mounted Cibie's? Certainly looks like they are all wearing the extra lights in the small picture? Looks like there are bright spots next to the pop up headlamps?

Did the Marathon cars ever have the Cibie's mounted on the hood? I know they had the hood mounted versions cut and installed in the bumper along with 45's mounted outboard on the bumper.

Am I seeing these correctly?

Posted by: Gustl Mar 28 2006, 11:26 AM

I agree that all 3 cars have hood mounted Cibies
I'd say it's clearly visible at the "drift scenery" - hardly to tell from the "tyre test scenery"

AFAIK the Marathon cars didn't wear hood mounted Cibies - at least at "their race"
but keep in mind that the Rallye Monte Carlo 1971 took place half a year later and that these cars were used as practice cars then - it would be no problem to mount a set of Cibies on the hoods, or to use the hoods from the Monte race cars with the Cibies on 'em

Gustl

Posted by: John Se Mar 28 2006, 11:55 AM

QUOTE (Rrrockhound @ Mar 18 2006, 04:37 PM)

QUOTE (craig downs @ Mar 18 2006, 04:26 AM) I don't understand why 914's are labled ugly by so many people. I wish somebody like an art student or a designer would do an analysis of the 914's styling to explain why it's NOT ugly. Kinda like those features Motor Trend does on certain new cars where they point out every little design element and explain why it works.

because it has balance-symmetry

Posted by: ChicagoPete Mar 28 2006, 12:27 PM

This is such a great history lesson into old race cars and the many lives they lead. Used and reused for so different purposes. Makes modern race cars look ridiculously sterile!

IMO the last real good example of something like that was the TWR Porsche Spyder that won LeMans when the GT1's first came on the scene.

Posted by: Gustl Apr 23 2006, 03:26 PM

Pete, I've found this picture today
it's out from a german car magazine from April 1971, showing 914.0.43.2542 & .2543 practicing for the '71 Monte

Gustl


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Posted by: Gustl Nov 29 2007, 01:13 PM

it took "a little time", but finally I got it

unfortunately the main numbers are censored




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Posted by: Gustl Nov 29 2007, 01:17 PM

I also have some additional pics


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Posted by: nein14 Nov 29 2007, 01:30 PM

I've got the same pic that I got on German Ebay that I framed and have hanging in my garage

Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Nov 29 2007, 01:42 PM

Gorgeous pics! Thanks for posting those, Wolfie. That 2nd photo is "poster" material, beautiful car against a backdrop of a weather-beaten door. Nice stuff!

Paul

Posted by: alpha434 Nov 29 2007, 02:55 PM

Did somebody mention already?

The two-toned bumpers were for lap counting. In old racing, where laps where counted by people and not computers, if they missed a car, or if they counted your lap for someone else... well... Your team was SOL.

The counters were often positioned at the straightaway, and would get a good look at the cars head-on before they take turn one. That's why having a "memorable" front bumper was so important.

Posted by: Eric_Shea Nov 29 2007, 03:50 PM

16's?

And... is that Pete's valance?

Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Nov 29 2007, 05:38 PM

Wolfie,
The race #s are different, but the sponser stickers appear to be the same. Is this Gerd's GT?


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Posted by: euro911 Nov 29 2007, 07:53 PM

To be honest, I wasn't especially impressed with the looks of 914s when they first hit the market (I was a sophmore in High School in 1970).

I was really digging 356s and 911s at the time. Funny thing though, I saw the beauty in Bugs and Karman Ghias

I think 'we' eventually develop an appreciation of, and see the true beauty in a lot of 'things' as we get older (and more refined )

That is a beautiful car ...

Posted by: cassidy_bolger Nov 29 2007, 11:02 PM

The recent interest in "mid century modern" architecture, furniture and design are related to the renewed interest in the design of the 914, I think. Low, horizontal, minimal, subtle, delicate, refined, no adornedment or ornamentation. These can all describe an early "ranch" house, modern furniture (think bent wood or steel frames), anything out of the Bauhuas or Ulm schools - including the Bosch radio by you know who (Gugelot). Things that are stripped down the their bare minimum functional necessity, but done so to see what kind of beauty can be achieved in that simplicity and efficiency. Sounds like a Porsche thing to do!

Overall, the 914 has great proportions and stance, but a few odd and uncommon details that keep it from being understood by the masses. The big issue to resolve, as I see it, was the tallness of the roof reconciled with trying to keep the thing low and flat (like all the late 60's concept cars with mid-engines). To do this without curves climbing up the hood and down the trunk as in a 356 or 901, they covered the roof and pillar in black vinyl to try to make it "go away" - become a separate element and not read as part of the body. That is why they tried vinyl on the A pillars in 1973, to complete that idea.

Overall, that idea kind of worked, but our continued debates here about what to do with sail panel and roof finishes tells us it was not the perfect solution! But, take a look at a 914 with body color sail panels and one with vinyl - the vinyl one always looks longer and lower. So it did work to some degree.

The turn signal humps allowed for a nice line in profile that doesn't dive awkwardly down to the front bumper. Look at that line some day. It is quite nice as is rises slightly to give the wheel openings some muscle and importance - but just a little. And that damn rear trunk lid is so thin that is scares me to touch it, but does it's job in reinforcing the low and lean appreance from the side and rear views.

That's what I see, anway. And it looks good from my house.

Posted by: Gustl Nov 29 2007, 11:44 PM

I'd say you're correct

Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Dec 1 2007, 10:23 AM

Cassidy,


Wow, very well stated. That post deserves its own "thread".

Paul

Posted by: cassidy_bolger Dec 1 2007, 06:19 PM

Thanks Paul! I must confess that I spend a lot of time around the water cooler explaining car design to my fellow architects. They usually listen politely but think I am bit odd......

Posted by: highways Dec 1 2007, 07:33 PM

They are gorgeous cars. Very Bauhaus indeed. Simple lines with elegant and non exagerated curves add up to race car simplicity. I just don't see them as boxy. They have the right curves for me. Not alot of extraneous trim either. I'm thinking that the reason they got the ugly reputation was because of the abused and neglected iron oxide lawn ornament factor.

I recognize all sorts of different modern cars imitating the 914 style. And none do it as well as the original.

Posted by: euro911 Dec 1 2007, 09:55 PM

... well, maybe the main reason they became lawn ornaments was due to simplicity of doing valve adjustments every 3000 miles