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Posted by: trekkor Apr 2 2006, 06:43 PM
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Posted by: ArtechnikA Apr 2 2006, 06:51 PM
presumably thieves who don't own the Allen key needed to remove the wheel despite the secure-appearing Club ...
Posted by: alpha434 Apr 2 2006, 06:53 PM
Just drive away with the club attached.
Posted by: dweymer Apr 2 2006, 06:56 PM
When positioning the club, place the handle into the corner of the windshield near the pillar. Oh ya, a cordless sawzall will go through the steering wheel in no time at all.
Posted by: Howard Apr 2 2006, 07:02 PM
Flash! There is no foolproof antitheft device. What any one person can do, another one can undo. The game is to make your stuff harder to get so the amateurs don't bother. 
Posted by: Hawktel Apr 2 2006, 07:08 PM
I've never been a fan of the club. I think a hidden kill switch is a stronger option
Posted by: alpha434 Apr 2 2006, 07:13 PM
| QUOTE (Hawktel @ Apr 2 2006, 06:08 PM) |
| I've never been a fan of the club. I think a hidden kill switch is a stronger option |
ROGER THAT!
Even experianced douchebags would take a long time to find a hidden kill switch.
And then you could have one of those brake-lock things. What are those called? Use them when you don't have a handbrake...?
Posted by: bd1308 Apr 2 2006, 07:16 PM
uh the hidden kill switch isnt a good idea, unless its to cut the +12V going to the coil. coils that have both +12 and ground shorted dont like it and go BOOM
b
Posted by: trekkor Apr 2 2006, 07:17 PM
*Real* thieves will get whatever they want...They're jerks.
This just my way to stop the lazy ones.
Did I tell you what will happen to them?
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| Just drive away with the club attached. |
If you can keep the car on the road with 1/4 rotation of the wheel, sure. The thing goes right into your leg or into the windshield.
KT
Posted by: BarberDave Apr 2 2006, 07:18 PM
How about this ,hidden kill switch that takes the fuel pump out of the loop, any car with F.I. needs fuel pressure to run. I had one on a S-!0 I had,it even folled
me once. DAVE 
Posted by: campbellcj Apr 2 2006, 07:21 PM
A removable steering wheel would make the car awfully hard to drive away.
A lot of thefts these days are tow-aways though...almost impossible to stop that from happening.
Posted by: trekkor Apr 2 2006, 07:23 PM
Maybe I should take the coil wire with me?
Or take a wheel off.
Pretty sickening that I have to anything at all. 
KT
Posted by: campbellcj Apr 2 2006, 07:25 PM
A removable steering wheel would make the car awfully hard to drive away.
A lot of thefts these days are tow-aways though...almost impossible to stop that from happening.
Posted by: pek771 Apr 2 2006, 07:25 PM
I'va always found a switch to kill the fuel pump is great. Even if someone steals the car, how far will they get. When the car thief has the car stall two blocks away, he will:
a... troubleshoot it
b... run like hell
We found a friends stolen car like this once, 1/4 mile away from his house.
Posted by: effutuo101 Apr 2 2006, 07:27 PM
battery cut off, take the key with you, and I am thinking about one of those steering wheels that you can take with you.
Posted by: Bruce Allert Apr 2 2006, 07:27 PM
You can just remove the fuel pump fuse. A lot easier to carry in your pocket too.... or throw it in the glove box.
.......b
Posted by: grantsfo Apr 2 2006, 07:28 PM
Trekkor,
You have carbs. Dont worry they wont know how to start the car! Kill switch to the fuel pump is a good one.
Posted by: Sammy Apr 2 2006, 07:31 PM
Lose the club, forget a kill switch, just insure the darn thing through haggarty with a declared value of $20k and leave the keys in the driver's seat. no more worries.
Posted by: alpha434 Apr 2 2006, 07:34 PM
| QUOTE (Sammy @ Apr 2 2006, 06:31 PM) |
| Lose the club, forget a kill switch, just insure the darn thing through haggarty with a declared value of $20k and leave the keys in the driver's seat. no more worries. |
Nice call....
Posted by: Aaron Cox Apr 2 2006, 07:36 PM
| QUOTE (campbellcj @ Apr 2 2006, 06:25 PM) |
| A removable steering wheel would make the car awfully hard to drive away. A lot of thefts these days are tow-aways though...almost impossible to stop that from happening. |
you can drive with vice grips......
Posted by: trekkor Apr 2 2006, 07:39 PM
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| they wont know how to start the car! |
I got no 1st gear either...
KT
Posted by: jd74914 Apr 2 2006, 07:41 PM
| QUOTE (campbellcj @ Apr 2 2006, 08:25 PM) |
| A removable steering wheel would make the car awfully hard to drive away. A lot of thefts these days are tow-aways though...almost impossible to stop that from happening. |
I second that. A friend of mine got his new to him turbo'd civic stolen one night out of his driveway in this way. These guys knew a bit more about the car than your average bears, but the just disarmed the alarm system, put it in nuetral, pushed it out of the driveway and towed it away. It was found totally stripped a week later
Posted by: porschecb Apr 2 2006, 07:42 PM
Why would anyone steal A 914? Whats it worth to them? 
Parts? Resale? Or just to piss you off! 
Posted by: grantsfo Apr 2 2006, 07:44 PM
| QUOTE (campbellcj @ Apr 2 2006, 05:21 PM) |
| A removable steering wheel would make the car awfully hard to drive away. A lot of thefts these days are tow-aways though...almost impossible to stop that from happening. |
A metal pole cemented into ground with a big cable lock through the front A arm should slow towing thieves a little. Then just park the car next to parking meters or lamp posts.
Posted by: lagunero Apr 2 2006, 07:53 PM
put a Chalon kit over it
Posted by: Aaron Cox Apr 2 2006, 08:05 PM
| QUOTE (lagunero @ Apr 2 2006, 06:53 PM) |
| put a Chalon kit over it |
ROFLMAO
Posted by: Headrage Apr 2 2006, 08:10 PM
| QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Apr 2 2006, 06:36 PM) | ||
you can drive with vice grips...... |
I drove a Manx dune buggy from Lake Isabella to my aunts house (about 30 miles of twisty mountain road) using vise grips. 
Posted by: Aaron Cox Apr 2 2006, 08:11 PM
| QUOTE (Headrage @ Apr 2 2006, 07:10 PM) | ||||
I drove a Manx dune buggy from Lake Isabella to my aunts house (about 30 miles of twisty mountain road). |
we did it on this abandoned 914 we found out in the desert....
KIDDING
Posted by: trekkor Apr 2 2006, 08:15 PM
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| put a Chalon kit over it |
brutal...I like it.
KT
Posted by: ClayPerrine Apr 2 2006, 08:32 PM
We had a car theft ring in Dallas that was stealing cars out of fenced in lots behind dealerships. The thieves were caught when the Brick Truck they used to lift the cars out of the dealer lot broke down right outside with a car in the sling. What they would do is pull up outside the fence, and one guy rode the sling over. Then he hooked up the car and rode the hoist back. They put the car in the back of the brick truck with high sides and drove away.
The driver of the truck ran on foot when the cops showed up. The other guy was stuck in the stolen car hanging from the sling.
FYI.. professional car thieves will get your car if they want it. What you want to do with your 914 is to make it harder for the gang bangers or the joyriders to steal than the Camaro down the street.
Posted by: drew365 Apr 2 2006, 08:33 PM
| QUOTE (lagunero @ Apr 2 2006, 06:53 PM) |
| put a Chalon kit over it |
That's why I hang out here, to feel the love!
Posted by: bmunday Apr 2 2006, 09:02 PM
Years ago I had my Nissan stolen.
I few weeks later a buddy of mine gave me a cheap theft detur...
Take a length of chain wrap it around the clutch and brake, and toss a pad lock on it. When the bastard attempts to take off, push the clutch slam on the brake, stall the car. Works well for beginers, but theif with time carrries bolt cutters. It did save my car a month later, when aparently they came back to tkae it a second time,. Only got as far as the car port..
Posted by: turboman808 Apr 2 2006, 09:04 PM
ah those dam clubs. take me like an extra 2 seconds to rip off the wheel 
Posted by: shaggy Apr 2 2006, 09:15 PM
what is the wheel made of?
couldnt you just cut out a 1'' section and slide the club off?
id take the coil wire
-shag
Posted by: trekkor Apr 2 2006, 09:38 PM
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| take me like an extra 2 seconds to rip off the wheel |
What are you telling us?
KT
Posted by: Tobra Apr 2 2006, 09:46 PM
| QUOTE (shaggy @ Apr 2 2006, 07:15 PM) |
| what is the wheel made of? couldnt you just cut out a 1'' section and slide the club off? id take the coil wire -shag |
bolt cutters, no need to remove a section, cut it, bend the wheel, slide it off. My friend has a "lawman", goes on the brake pedal. This would stop a joyrider, club is useless.
If they are pros and they want it, they get it. You just need to stop the amateurs
Posted by: Porcharu Apr 2 2006, 10:28 PM
| QUOTE (Tobra @ Apr 2 2006, 07:46 PM) |
| bolt cutters, no need to remove a section, cut it, bend the wheel, slide it off. My friend has a "lawman", goes on the brake pedal. This would stop a joyrider, club is useless. If they are pros and they want it, they get it. You just need to stop the amateurs |
The steering wheel can be cut with a hacksaw in a few seconds - with the thief safely sitting in the drivers seat. The Lawman goes on the brake pedal. Nobody is going to hack thru a brake pedal in a few seconds and they have to be hanging outside of the car to even try.
I saw a show a while ago about motorcycle thieves. The host was a former thief that the insurance companies hired to help stop bike thieves. Nothing would stop these clowns they would take orders (1$ per CC for a new bike) and get the bikes that night. Chains and alarms didn't even slow them down. 4 big guys would just pick up the bike and toss into the back of a van. The only place safe was a garage in house - they were afraid of a pissed of homeowner with a gun.
Pros got my brothers car a few years ago - poof not a trace.
Use the Club as a club if you catch em. I think I would be in a world of hurt with the law if I ever caught anyone stealing one my cars or messing with my family.
Posted by: racerx7 Apr 2 2006, 10:57 PM
Big dog or loc jack:)
Are there enough 914's around to make it worth stealing for resale?
I am sure there are probably a few people with 914 to lazy to earn enough $$
to buy parts who you might steal your car, but the theft rings are for body shops.
If you ever see the top top cars/trucks stollen there
like camarys/maxima, pickups etc... Air bags, hid ligths,etc...
Bodys shops like them.
Posted by: alpha434 Apr 3 2006, 12:05 AM
My lawyer got his car stolen.
He lives outside of Denver, in a really high-end neighborhood in Golden. He went outside early one morning and hit the "warm-up" button on his Lexus. The car starts up and then warms and shuts off again. So he goes back inside to get some coffe or do whatever. Comes back out and his car is gone. Files a police report. Blah blah blah. Is FORCED to drive his BMW in the snow! Cops find his car a couple weeks later. They give it back to him in perfect condition. So late one night, he hears his Lexus start up and drive away. He thought it was one of his kids. So he gets up to see who's gone. Nobody. His car got stolen again. Files a police report. Blah blah blah. Has to drive his bimmer in the snow again. His insurance company actually makes the executive desicion to NOT be douchebags and settles with him. He gets the full value of the vehicle. One of his buddies (OK, me.) Notices a nice looking Lexus of the same model at an auction while investigating a nice, cheap 911 (turned out to be crap.) Turns out they were the same Lexus. And so my laywer buys his own Lexus back for $1500. Makes like $25,000 on the deal and immediately has the locks changed.
He was pretty good-natured about the whole thing, though. He deserved it.
Posted by: newto914s Apr 3 2006, 12:36 AM
I drove my 914 for like 4 months around Cleveland with no ability to lock the doors. PO couldn't find the door key. Knock of wood 
I never had a problem.
But strangly enough, both of the front side marker lights have been stolen off my $2 hyundai here in PR
I think I'm going to try that pulling out the fuse idea. Lock it in the glove box with the CD faceplate
Posted by: shaggy Apr 3 2006, 12:46 AM
the best defence against being stolen is a tail shift tranny
cant feel any gears
vauge pattern
weak detent into 1st
low power
long throw
its about impossible to drive if you dont know where the gears are w/o having to feel around for them
my grandfather who has been driving stick cars most of his life was haing trouble driving it
-shag
Posted by: pfierb Apr 3 2006, 05:06 AM
Boy am I glad I live in rural Connecticut not much ever gets stolen around here....let alone a car.
Posted by: NEU Apr 3 2006, 03:23 PM
| QUOTE (shaggy @ Apr 2 2006, 10:46 PM) |
| the best defence against being stolen is a tail shift tranny cant feel any gears vauge pattern weak detent into 1st low power long throw its about impossible to drive if you dont know where the gears are w/o having to feel around for them my grandfather who has been driving stick cars most of his life was haing trouble driving it -shag |
I agree, I think between the tail shift and the collapsing hand brake leaver that my 1970 could never be moved with out some 914 knowledge...
N
Posted by: ArtechnikA Apr 3 2006, 03:28 PM
| QUOTE (NEU @ Apr 3 2006, 05:23 PM) |
| ...my 1970 could never be moved with out some 914 knowledge... |
...therin lies the rub -- who else would be interested in a 1970 914 ?
Posted by: sanman Apr 3 2006, 03:47 PM
A good motor will take off in 2nd gear, where everyone thinks 1st should be.
Posted by: street legal go-kart Apr 3 2006, 04:30 PM
Blasting cap under the driver seat cushion just about where the nads are.
Connect to the ignition switch.
Just dont forget the failsafe.
Posted by: fiid Apr 3 2006, 04:44 PM
| QUOTE (pfierb @ Apr 3 2006, 03:06 AM) |
| Boy am I glad I live in rural Connecticut not much ever gets stolen around here....let alone a car. |
That right there is exactly what makes you vulnerable. Lock your shit up. No need to go overboard, but make sure the easy bases are covered.
Thieves generally are very lazy - my wife's miata top got knifed when the doors were unlocked. There really ought to be an entrance exam.
Posted by: Brew Apr 3 2006, 07:53 PM
Maybe I shouldn't be telling you guys this 
, but I dont lock my shit up. The car isnt very valuable or desireable to the general public, and I dont keep anything in there that costs more to replace than a broken side window.
I've had a $65 side window busted so they could steal my $25 "stereo". 
Posted by: bd1308 Apr 3 2006, 08:07 PM
yeah people think my car is a FIAT.
nobody and I mean nobody touches my car. although someone put a cig out on my targa vinyl....thanks dude!
my and my boss' boss talked about porsche's though last night (3am--so this morning) it was cool...he likes the 928.
b
Posted by: Pat Garvey Apr 3 2006, 08:29 PM
Why not simply put it in a locked garage? Locked storage? Sleep in it?
Posted by: Aaron Cox Apr 3 2006, 08:31 PM
| QUOTE (Pat Garvey @ Apr 3 2006, 07:29 PM) |
| Why not simply put it in a locked garage? Locked storage? Sleep in it? |
not everyone has optimal storage solutions pat......
Posted by: Pat Garvey Apr 3 2006, 08:35 PM
| QUOTE (fiid @ Apr 3 2006, 02:44 PM) |
| [QUOTE=pfierb,Apr 3 2006, 03:06 AM] Thieves generally are very lazy - my wife's miata top got knifed when the doors were unlocked. There really ought to be an entrance exam. |
Lots of them are kids too. Had my 924 (yes, I tried one Porsche w/H20 in it - actually not a bad car) broken into.
Threw my tapes all over the driveway & stole a pack of bubble gum - nothing else. Cops had a good laugh!
Also had a punk break into my wife's Passat - in the garage! Stole her PD sunglasses & stomped them on the driveway! Cops caught him 6 blocks away with 32 (!) stolen cell phones! Got probation! I ove our judicial system!
Posted by: Pat Garvey Apr 3 2006, 08:36 PM
| QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Apr 3 2006, 06:31 PM) | ||
not everyone has optimal storage solutions pat...... |
I stand humbled!!! You are correct - sorry
Posted by: mcbain77 Apr 3 2006, 08:46 PM
This is my theft deterrent system. I have 2 security devices on each side of the car to make 4 total.
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Posted by: grantsfo Apr 3 2006, 09:09 PM
Another good one is to use a GPS cell phone. Stash it in a hard to find place whenever you leave the car in a insecure location. I have caught thieves professionally in High Tech industry this way. Very satisfying when you catch people who have no clue they are being tracked!
Posted by: Tobra Apr 3 2006, 10:58 PM
| QUOTE (Brew @ Apr 3 2006, 05:53 PM) |
| Maybe I shouldn't be telling you guys this , but I dont lock my shit up. The car isnt very valuable or desireable to the general public, and I dont keep anything in there that costs more to replace than a broken side window. I've had a $65 side window busted so they could steal my $25 "stereo". |
I got like that when my top got slashed in the bug. No desire to have a window broken, or have them try to jimmy the door handle. I like taking the coil wire with me. That Lawman deal for the brake looks pretty good too. Nice one with the GPS phone, convenient to use in different vehicles
Posted by: pfierb Apr 4 2006, 05:18 AM
| QUOTE (pfierb @ Apr 3 2006, 07:06 AM) |
| Boy am I glad I live in rural Connecticut not much ever gets stolen around here....let alone a car. |
Spoke too soon, just got this mornings paper and yes 3 cars were broken into yesterday here in rural Connecticut.
Posted by: trekkor Apr 4 2006, 10:31 AM
I'm sick of them...
KT
Posted by: Richard Casto Apr 4 2006, 11:54 AM
| QUOTE (porschecb @ Apr 2 2006, 08:42 PM) |
| Why would anyone steal A 914? Whats it worth to them? Parts? Resale? Or just to piss you off! |
They need a Fiat parts car!
Oh, my neighbor asked me the other day how the work on the Fiat was going.
Posted by: ClayPerrine Apr 4 2006, 12:09 PM
Mount a high output coil under the seat. Set it up so that it will make a spark when the engine is running and the hidden switch is on. Attach the high tension lead to a bare copper wire that runs down the center of the seat cushion, just below the vinyl.
Now when they start the car, they will make a shocking discovery. With the engine running, everything metal (like the door handles, the key, etc..) will cause them to get a nasty shock to their junk.
Posted by: alpha434 Apr 4 2006, 01:13 PM
| QUOTE (ClayPerrine @ Apr 4 2006, 11:09 AM) |
| Mount a high output coil under the seat. Set it up so that it will make a spark when the engine is running and the hidden switch is on. Attach the high tension lead to a bare copper wire that runs down the center of the seat cushion, just below the vinyl. Now when they start the car, they will make a shocking discovery. With the engine running, everything metal (like the door handles, the key, etc..) will cause them to get a nasty shock to their junk. |
Diabolical!!!
Posted by: tdgray Apr 4 2006, 01:37 PM
| QUOTE (alpha434 @ Apr 3 2006, 02:05 AM) |
| My lawyer got his car stolen. |
I'm not sure whether or not to be surprised that Alpha has a lawyer.
I'm a little more confident of the existence of a PO in his life though
Of course.... maybe he is a patent attourney... ya know... for all those fantastic Ti inventions.
Posted by: GTeener Apr 4 2006, 04:05 PM
Do they still make this car security system?
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Posted by: ClayPerrine Apr 4 2006, 04:35 PM
| QUOTE (GTeener @ Apr 4 2006, 04:05 PM) |
| Do they still make this car security system? |
Don't laugh....
Years ago I worked at a shop that also had a body shop. A 6 month old Mercedes was brought in to have the driver's door skin replaced. The owner had frequent business dealings in South Oak Cliff (Think of LA's Watts). So he removed the primers from 12 shotgun shells, and put electric model rocket ignitors in place of them. He then reloaded them with 00 buckshot and epoxied them to the inside of the driver's door. He added a hidden footswitch like the one in the cab in Heavy Metal.
One day, he was sitting at a light in South Oak Cliff, and a "gentlemen of color" crossed the crosswalk, and pulled a gun to carjack him. He hit the switch under the brake pedal. He turned the car off and called 911. The cops showed up, and they found a corpse in 2 halves laying on the ground next to the car, still holding a 38 revolver.
He was sent on his way, the death was ruled self defense.
And the insurance company paid for a new door skin for his car.
NOTE: This was in Texas. It would probably result in your arrest and incarceration in the Peoples Republic of California.
Posted by: jd74914 Apr 4 2006, 07:12 PM
| QUOTE (pfierb @ Apr 4 2006, 06:18 AM) | ||
Spoke too soon, just got this mornings paper and yes 3 cars were broken into yesterday here in rural Connecticut. |
Oddly enough, there is a Honda/Acura theft ring in CT thats being investigated right now (This comming from the kid who got his car stolen, and then called on an ad for some parts like what was in his car). The cops just told him to cool it as they are planning on getting some more evidence and busting them later.
Though, around here I'd be more worried about sand-in-the-tank than a stolen car
Posted by: dflesburg Apr 4 2006, 07:18 PM
Who says a couple kill switches dont work. Fuel pump. Starter. battery with alt protection, its also a good idea to have the flame thrower and oil spray equiped with a kill switch so nosey passengers dont set them off by accident.
Posted by: trekkor Apr 4 2006, 11:36 PM
Hey! I'm just a little weirded out because those jackalopes that stole my stuff *had* to have seen my car.
I put my car cover and ugly tarp back over it after pulling the coil wire and clubbing the wheel.
I half expect to come Home to more stuff stolen.
It's still fresh.
Talked to the claim adjuster today, they want me to submit my loss list so they can settle out.
They add the sales tax to the claim total as well.
I should see $1200 after the deduct.
KT
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