Out of all you fellas that have 1970 teeners, have you ever established who is the elder statesman of the non-club?
I like this kind of stuff....
just bought a 1970 made in feburary
sweet....that's got to be up there
Spot appears to have the oldest /6 and Shadowcat seems to have the oldest /4
My first 914 was made in 69 with a vin of 4702901654
QUOTE (drewvw @ Apr 4 2006, 06:43 PM) |
Out of all you fellas that have 1970 teeners, have you ever established who is the elder statesman of the non-club? |
I've got 2732 made in 1/70.
Just like auto crossing, I am an "also ran"... The new kid is 8849
So you have a frame of reference, mine has a tag from 12/69 on the door jamb (0979).
Mike (in Portland)
that is OLD!
Thats wierd Mike because my car has a sticker that says 1/70 and the number is 945. (Red Neck Racer)
So now who is older yours or mine?
I also have 5566 I think it is 4/70. (the stripper)
I may have one of the youngest, built 11/75
QUOTE (Joe Ricard @ Apr 5 2006, 07:00 AM) |
So now who is older yours or mine? |
VIN: 4702905859
Chassis:1249580
Paint Code: L 21 E
Date: 3/70
#4702903114 Blt 01/70
It's good to see some early survivors out there. #36! That's like the first weeks production
So, is mine the 12,025th or 2025th made?
4702912025
QUOTE (SirAndy @ Apr 4 2006, 09:20 PM) |
brad was for a while ... |
The fact that somebody has one built in 1969 is really cool....
I've been researching this recently and it is quite interesting. I've corresponded with bumble (in Australia) and I don't think the car has a chassis #. In the 900 range the chassis are most likely November with completion dates in December. I'm trying to figure out the 69<>70 VIN split. So I may be contacting many of you for more info, and particularly the paint code & chassis # from the Karmann tag and the date code from the decal.
On the sixes, gms has a nice one in #12. I personally have gone over #33 and it still has its 11/69 date code on the decal. It has the really weird paint code of "29 / 29" where I was expecting to just see "29". Its chassis # is 130008, so I'm guessing that several early cars did not have chassis #'s.
QUOTE (7T Porsha @ Apr 5 2006, 09:21 AM) |
So, is mine the 12,025th or 2025th made? 4702912025 |
QUOTE (Joe Ricard @ Apr 5 2006, 03:00 AM) |
1/70 and the number is 945. 4/70 5566 |
QUOTE (blitZ @ Apr 5 2006, 03:08 AM) |
I may have one of the youngest, built 11/75 |
4702904992 made in Feb of 1970...
Neu
QUOTE (davep @ Apr 5 2006, 09:48 AM) |
So I may be contacting many of you for more info, and particularly the paint code & chassis # from the Karmann tag and the date code from the decal. |
That's got to be #4...
the data so far
4702900916 4819507 12/69
4702900979 12/69
4702901654 12/69
4702902094 5149564 1/70
4702902543 1/70
4702902732 1/70
4702902769 0239575 1/70
4702903114 1/70
4702904992 2/70
4702905369 1039537 3/70
4702905859 3/70
4702907092 1559526
4702908339 2029578
4702909002 2219506
4702909727 2329505
4702910976 2829536
4702912181 3329543
4712901742 3839565 9/70
So it looks like I need a lot more data to fill in each of the months. All info is greatly appreciated.
470.29.10526 is my '70
nice work dave, keep it up....
where do you get the chassis number from? my VIN is easy but this chassis number is elusive.
QUOTE (mcbain77 @ Apr 6 2006, 10:55 AM) |
where do you get the chassis number from? my VIN is easy but this chassis number is elusive. |
4702910911
QUOTE (mcbain77 @ Apr 6 2006, 10:55 AM) |
where do you get the chassis number from? my VIN is easy but this chassis number is elusive. |
Chassis # in the rear trunk floor. In 1970 is is in front of the trunk lock.
From 1972 it is in front of the right taillight. Chassis # for the six is completely different than the 914/4.
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The decal. I call it the DOT decal and it is only for North America AFAIK.
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The oldest production I know of is; Dec. 1 1969,
owner; Glenn Stazak
Website; http://www.stazak.com/914
Paul
I've spoken with Glenn about the car. It is very interesting. But a build date of Dec 1 is bogus. I have seen a car with Nov 1969 date code that is later than Glenn's car. I think that Dec 1 date comes from a COA, and oftentimes they have the first day of the month. Well, I know they built on more days than just the first of the month. So either they don't know the date and try to be too precise or they are just being sloppy.
just out of curiousity, what was the production number for the nov. 1969 car?
QUOTE (drewvw @ Apr 6 2006, 06:45 PM) |
just out of curiousity, what was the production number for the nov. 1969 car? |
Glenn's vin is #9140430012
Paul
QUOTE (Kersey @ Apr 7 2006, 06:02 PM) |
Glenn's vin is #9140430012 |
Dave, I'm curious. Is #0033 a U.S. import car? Any unusual details you know of?
Don
I've spoken with Glenn about the car. It is very interesting. But a build date of Dec 1 is bogus. I have seen a car with Nov 1969 date code that is later than Glenn's car.
If you read the COA carefully, it says it was DELIVERED on December 1, 1969. Perhaps they are referring to when it left the factory or when it arrived at the dealer?
QUOTE (sixerdon @ Apr 7 2006, 06:17 PM) |
Is #0033 a U.S. import car? Any unusual details you know of? |
That's really interesting. Dave, what's your method for tracing the history of specific cars?
4702900304
VIN# for the Rocket which I no longer own....thanks to DaveP for finding it.
After owning this 914 for 30+ years, I learn about "chassis" #s! I thought the V.I.N. would be the chassis # as well. So I look, and sure enough, there it is in the trunk, corresponding to the Karmann tag on the door jamb.
1970 914/4 V.I.N. 4702903114 Built 01.70
chassis # 0319595 paint# L11E
QUOTE (drewvw @ Apr 8 2006, 04:37 AM) |
That's really interesting. Dave, what's your method for tracing the history of specific cars? |
Interesting, fascinating and very much appreciated. I'll have to check the original service booklet to see when the original (and previous) owner took delivery.
Thanks for info, Dave!
Dave,
Two more sixes to add to your data bank;
VIN; 9140430137
CH; 130229
DATE; 01/70
COLOR; 2910 CANARY YELLOW
VIN; 9140431372
CH; 131543
DATE; 04/70
COLOR; 8010 SILVER MET.
Let me know when you break the chassis code for the sixes.
Don
New member here...just looked up the VIN on one of my 70 914s...4702900544.
Where does this one stand in your record?
kind of related... i have an engine case # gaoooooo4. came out of a 73 car, explain that...
Hey guys i am pretty close to the first, just picked up the car form Chogokin.
11/69, and i assume #610
Very cool, my car was also delivered on 01 April 1970 914-6 #41
Right here in sunny California
Bob
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Bob,
The 914 was sold to a leasing company? In 1970? Talk about being ahead of the curve!
My dad was leasing cars way before that. I remember a 63 Chevy and a 67 Cougar XR-7 that I paid off the leasing Company $500 to buy it at lease end for my graduation present. (My dad made me work a little for it) That was in 71 so I guess my dad was getting 4-year leases back then. Blue, blue leather with a blue top.
Bob
Bob, I really need the chassis number and paint code from 0041. Carefully look at the paint code on the Karmann badge. 0033 has what appears to be 29 / 29. No idea why the code is doubled. Chassis # is in the rear trunk floor in front of the lock, should be 1300xx (#0033 was 130008) You might want to see if there is a similar # on the underside of the dash (it should have an extra '0' in it to designate the year).
As far as the chassis # vs VIN # sequencing, my hypothesis is that the bodies were welded up, and assigned a chassis/body # in sequence before they were painted. The Karmann badge would be installed after painting, then they were generally warehoused until a body of that color was required for the final assembly line. I suspect the VIN was assigned soon after beginning final assembly since the VIN tag on the windshield frame would be difficult to install after the glass is in place. We see photos of the assembly line, and the glass is in place rather early on. The chassis/body number can be well out of sequence with the VIN, or they may be sequential. I agree that there was little regard paid to keeping the chassis/body # in sequence with the VIN #. It does happen, but only rarely. More likely it was last in first out. It would be fascinating to get factual data from an assembly line worker.
Bob, it seems you have a very early car. Any thoughts about bringing it back to the original color vs. the gemini blue?
Dave, I will get you all of this but you need to give me some time as it is on the lift next door. I have ordered the paperwork from Porsche 3 weeks ago so that will give us some ideas.
Eric, I know you had a nice yellow 914-6 car before.. I no not mind yellow but I love Metallic blue and Cork. When I put the wide body on it changes it anyway and with all the mods done to this car it is not even the same engine case it came with. My thought is for me why not have what I really want in color. I am not going to enter this car in shows for originality. You have seen the Metallic blue 916, they sent it back to the factory and had the car repainted that color.
Bob
Here is another tidbit concerning chassis numbers, there is at least one 1970 914/6 with a 1971 body number.
I've got #31. Dave, sorry I haven't gotten back to you with the paint codes, I am still trying to get the Karman badge from the PO (he claims that he stored them somewhere before he started restoring it.) The VIN is stamped in the usual place up front but also has the VIN stamped in the rear passanger side wheel well. The car came with a funky wiring harness that has some additional connectors for testing on it that looked to be factory. The front fender had no seam between them and the windshield panel. So far that all that I can tells that is different with this car.
Dan
It is time to get more data from you fellows. I'd particularly like to learn more from each 1969 production car. Even more so from 9140430011. Eric?
I'll have to look at my VIN when I get home...it was built in '69 with a number around 1400.
I've actually had my hands on the very first 914 off the production line. Its sitting in the VW museum, AutoHauz, in Wolfsburg, Germany. I have a picture of it in a book I bought at the museum. I'll scan it and post it here. No one was around so I reached in and popped open the engine lid to check it out (my buddy with me thought we would get kicked out and ran off!) The outside restoration looks good but I was really disappointed with the engine bay resto. This was back in March 2002.
Whoa, we need to learn more about that one!
We need to have someone go in to get more details, however we need the address for that.
At 1400 yours is definitely in 1969.
Dave
So how can we get detailed info on this 914? Anyone in the area that we know?
Erik's Great Pumpkin
# 1121 built Dec 1969
oh yeah guys, it runs and he is only 14.... eat your hearts out.
Remember that with the factory assigning vins they could have been assigned right off during production to track the progress of the car or since they already had the chassis number they might have assigned the VIN towards the end after the motor and trans were in and using the VIN to heirarchy the chassis,engine and Transmission numbers together. I agree with what was stated earlier that they picked the chassis's at random they were not tryoing to keep things in numerical order. even at the factory they could have a higher number chassis with a low VIN.. its all part of manufacturing.. I did it with electronics for 7 years..
1-70
47029002344 is in my garage
james
Somewhere around 4702902000 was the change from 12/69 to 01/70.
Can everyone update their replies with the body # and paint code from the Karmann badge please. Those numbers are very important to my research.
not getting outta bed to check my Karmann number or the trunk but I can tell you mine is pretty old from what I've been reading here....
VIN # 4702902950
Body Number 0259562
Paint Code L80E (thinking about having it repainted to the origional color)
now converted to a six
Andy,
I'm cajun...not german.
Any pictures of the 914 at the VW museum?
I don't have a scanner at the house but I found this link to look at the car. Its not "AutoHaus"...that was my mistake. It is the ZeitHaus at the AutoStadt. I did go the museum that Andy listed above right before the ZeitHaus, but it was closing for the day. I was upset because that is where I thought a 914 would be. We were vectored to the ZeitHaus which was still open since we drove the long distance and wanted to tour a car museum. Turns out I hit the jackpot!
The display by the car and the coffee table book I bought there both state that it was the first VW Porsche to come off the assembly line.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.wolfsburg-citytour.de/wolfsburg-tourist/Zeithaus_1/VW-Porsche_914/vw-porsche_914.html&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dzeithaus%2B914%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4ADBS_en___US236
As for my car, the VIN is 4702901167, so #1167.
So, I guess the answer to the orginal question is Volkswagen AG has the oldest 914...
From the link: "Made was the car of 1969-1975...." Gawd, I miss that.
Anyhow, back on topic.....Maj Tom, thanks for the linky to that museum Didja get the VIN on that red 914 ?
In addition to the past few responses, we'd like to humbly request that Loux951 (Tom), morph (James), and keske 968 add their repective VINs, color codes and chassis # to the 914 Info compilation that appears at the top, right side of the Forum page. We appreciate it, as we are trying to account for as many 914s as we possibly can. Thanks!
Paul
Thanks Tom. That car is awesome!
No problem, glad I could share that with the club. Unfortunately, I visited the ZeitHaus and saw this car almost 6 years ago in March 2002 when I was just starting my 914 craze...I didn't get the VIN number. Do we have a club member that lives in North/Central Germany that can go get it? Or maybe we can email someone at the ZeitHaus to take a picture of the VIN and other identification markings and send them to the club...
The car looks red in the pictures on the website, but it is actually orange. I have no idea if that is the original color...the info from the ZeitHaus can answer that.
I posted my car VIN on the the VIN site for the club. I need to get the other info from my car. I will also post the VIN of the parts car I junked, all the info of the one I'm about to junk, and the VIN of the one that was junked when I got the car in 2000.
If its the above two cars that are being compared, I think they are not the same vehicle. Driver side mirrors, interior color, windshield chrome trim are all different. I doubt a museum would change anything at all on a display vehicle, much less to this extent.
I don't remember if the car had FI or carbs. I do remember being significantly disappointed in the quality of the restoration in the engine compartment. It looked bad... like a restoration was never attempted. It gave me the immediate impression that it was a poor restoration focused only for appearance in the ZeitHaus. That lends credibility to the theory that the car may have been "upgraded" for looks with the later steel wheels, no dash vent, hood crest, etc. I think I even noticed the porsche crest on the steering wheel. Didn't VW-Porsche 914s for Europe have the VW crest on the wheel?
Key to this dilemma is getting the numbers off the car. I am going to try and find an email address to someone at the ZeitHaus. Andy, I may need some help with translation if I find one. I'll PM you if that is the case. Thanks. I want to get some digital pics of the vehicle numbers...
It should be 11/69 production.
I do need full info on this car and any 914 you have access to. Please email it to me with photos when possible.
"M",
That VIN would place your car as the 3rd oldest /4 in our 914 listing. Please add the VIN to the 914 Info page that can be found at the top, right heading of the Forum pages. Also add the color (and code) and chassis # (both found on the Karmann plate on the driver's side door jamb) if you can. The build date, on the trailing edge of the same door jamb, would be useful information as well.
An early car like yours is very intriguing, and I'm sure I speak not only for myself, but others as well, when I say I'd really like to see pictures of this car, with detail photos showing the trunks, engine compartment and interior.
Paul
They also say it is a water-cooled 4 cylinder boxer motor. NOT!
Got an email from Rene in Switzerland, he got the museum webmaster to correct the watercooling goof. Now to wait to find out if more info can be obtained from the museum; VIN etc...
currently there's a guy who sells official german documents from the following car
I mailed him a question about more infos and that's what I got:
47.0.29.00387
signal orange
2 times tranny exchange and 3 times D-Jet brain exchange until December 1976 (!!!)
this one ended up as a parts car in the 70ies ...
1st registration on November 25th, 1969 - Berlin, Germany
eBay #180207324728
Gustl
no - I was just interested in the history, which the owner friendly told me
I've no use for this old german sheet of paper
Gustl
Dave,
Sorry this took so long. 130071 The book says it was delivered on 01/04/70
Bob
9140430041
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I inspected 4702900111 at one point years ago. It was converted to a six from a actual wrecked six and was a neat car.
I did take pictures but for the life of me cannot find them.
Ferg
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