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Posted by: drewvw Apr 4 2006, 08:43 PM
Out of all you fellas that have 1970 teeners, have you ever established who is the elder statesman of the non-club?
I like this kind of stuff....
Posted by: reddog Apr 4 2006, 08:47 PM
just bought a 1970 made in feburary 
Posted by: drewvw Apr 4 2006, 08:48 PM
sweet....that's got to be up there
Posted by: jd74914 Apr 4 2006, 09:22 PM
Spot appears to have the oldest /6 and Shadowcat seems to have the oldest /4 
Posted by: echocanyons Apr 4 2006, 10:32 PM
My first 914 was made in 69 with a vin of 4702901654
Posted by: SirAndy Apr 4 2006, 11:20 PM
| QUOTE (drewvw @ Apr 4 2006, 06:43 PM) |
| Out of all you fellas that have 1970 teeners, have you ever established who is the elder statesman of the non-club? |
brad was for a while ...
if you talk about production 914s, take a look at the members VIN section ...
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act=VINs
lots of junk in there, but it looks like the legit VINs for the original sixes start at:
9140430012 gms
9140430029 SixCyl
9140430055 GradyClay
9140430079 flat930
and for the four cylinder cars at:
4702900036 bumble
4702900746 taby98
4702900855 brionsab
4702900867 Neil_Craig
4702900885 MTDriver
4702900945 Joe Ricard
4702900979 Mike McGrath
Andy
Posted by: bondo Apr 4 2006, 11:44 PM
I've got 2732 made in 1/70. 
Posted by: dinomium Apr 5 2006, 12:00 AM
Just like auto crossing, I am an "also ran"... The new kid is 8849
Posted by: Mike McGrath Apr 5 2006, 12:15 AM
So you have a frame of reference, mine has a tag from 12/69 on the door jamb (0979).
Mike (in Portland)
Posted by: dinomium Apr 5 2006, 12:47 AM
that is OLD!
Posted by: Joe Ricard Apr 5 2006, 05:00 AM
Thats wierd Mike because my car has a sticker that says 1/70 and the number is 945. (Red Neck Racer)
So now who is older yours or mine?
I also have 5566 I think it is 4/70. (the stripper)
Posted by: blitZ Apr 5 2006, 05:08 AM
I may have one of the youngest, built 11/75
Posted by: ArtechnikA Apr 5 2006, 06:00 AM
| QUOTE (Joe Ricard @ Apr 5 2006, 07:00 AM) |
| So now who is older yours or mine? |
compare Karmann chassis numbers in the trunk to determine when the shells were made.
the body factory didn't lead sequentially into the production facility (where VINs were assigned). this is especially true for the /6's ...
Posted by: mcbain77 Apr 5 2006, 06:19 AM
VIN: 4702905859
Chassis:1249580
Paint Code: L 21 E
Date: 3/70
Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Apr 5 2006, 11:07 AM
#4702903114 Blt 01/70
It's good to see some early survivors out there. #36! That's like the first weeks production 
Posted by: 7T Porsha Apr 5 2006, 11:21 AM
So, is mine the 12,025th or 2025th made?
4702912025
Posted by: Howard Apr 5 2006, 11:32 AM
| QUOTE (SirAndy @ Apr 4 2006, 09:20 PM) |
| brad was for a while ... |
Harsh! But Funny
You gonna take that Brad?
Posted by: drewvw Apr 5 2006, 11:33 AM
The fact that somebody has one built in 1969 is really cool....
Posted by: davep Apr 5 2006, 11:48 AM
I've been researching this recently and it is quite interesting. I've corresponded with bumble (in Australia) and I don't think the car has a chassis #. In the 900 range the chassis are most likely November with completion dates in December. I'm trying to figure out the 69<>70 VIN split. So I may be contacting many of you for more info, and particularly the paint code & chassis # from the Karmann tag and the date code from the decal.
On the sixes, gms has a nice one in #12. I personally have gone over #33 and it still has its 11/69 date code on the decal. It has the really weird paint code of "29 / 29" where I was expecting to just see "29". Its chassis # is 130008, so I'm guessing that several early cars did not have chassis #'s.
Posted by: davep Apr 5 2006, 11:50 AM
| QUOTE (7T Porsha @ Apr 5 2006, 09:21 AM) |
| So, is mine the 12,025th or 2025th made? 4702912025 |
12025
last 5 digits for the 914/4 and last 4 for the 914/6
Posted by: davep Apr 5 2006, 11:56 AM
| QUOTE (Joe Ricard @ Apr 5 2006, 03:00 AM) |
| 1/70 and the number is 945. 4/70 5566 |
Both those dates do not look correct. Please verify, photos are nice. Oh, and check the stamped VIN's. There is one in the 900's that has a 600 decal where only the 6 was wrong. Not the first mistake we have seen.
Posted by: Bleyseng Apr 5 2006, 12:41 PM
| QUOTE (blitZ @ Apr 5 2006, 03:08 AM) |
| I may have one of the youngest, built 11/75 |
close but no cigar!
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Posted by: NEU Apr 5 2006, 12:48 PM
4702904992 made in Feb of 1970... 
Neu
Posted by: SirAndy Apr 5 2006, 12:50 PM
| QUOTE (davep @ Apr 5 2006, 09:48 AM) |
| So I may be contacting many of you for more info, and particularly the paint code & chassis # from the Karmann tag and the date code from the decal. |
mine was late in the '70 production run, but here it is:
VIN: 470.29.12181
Chassis: 3329543
Paint: "Signal Orange" #1410 - Code: "L 20 E"
no stickers anywhere that survived ...
Andy
Posted by: Marty Yeoman Apr 5 2006, 06:25 PM
That's got to be #4...
Posted by: davep Apr 6 2006, 10:09 AM
the data so far
4702900916 4819507 12/69
4702900979 12/69
4702901654 12/69
4702902094 5149564 1/70
4702902543 1/70
4702902732 1/70
4702902769 0239575 1/70
4702903114 1/70
4702904992 2/70
4702905369 1039537 3/70
4702905859 3/70
4702907092 1559526
4702908339 2029578
4702909002 2219506
4702909727 2329505
4702910976 2829536
4702912181 3329543
4712901742 3839565 9/70
So it looks like I need a lot more data to fill in each of the months. All info is greatly appreciated.
Posted by: tyler Apr 6 2006, 12:40 PM
470.29.10526 is my '70
Posted by: drewvw Apr 6 2006, 12:45 PM
nice work dave, keep it up....
Posted by: mcbain77 Apr 6 2006, 12:55 PM
where do you get the chassis number from? my VIN is easy but this chassis number is elusive.
Posted by: SirAndy Apr 6 2006, 12:59 PM
| QUOTE (mcbain77 @ Apr 6 2006, 10:55 AM) |
| where do you get the chassis number from? my VIN is easy but this chassis number is elusive. |
one place is the rear trunk floor, just in front of the pass. side taillight, stamped into the floor ...
Andy
Posted by: GWN7 Apr 6 2006, 01:13 PM
4702910911
Posted by: davep Apr 6 2006, 01:37 PM
| QUOTE (mcbain77 @ Apr 6 2006, 10:55 AM) |
| where do you get the chassis number from? my VIN is easy but this chassis number is elusive. |
Here are some examples: the Karmann badge on drivers door hinge post has the paint code. For the 914/4 it also has the chassis #.
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Posted by: davep Apr 6 2006, 01:39 PM
Chassis # in the rear trunk floor. In 1970 is is in front of the trunk lock.
From 1972 it is in front of the right taillight. Chassis # for the six is completely different than the 914/4.
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Posted by: davep Apr 6 2006, 01:40 PM
The decal. I call it the DOT decal and it is only for North America AFAIK.
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Posted by: Kersey Apr 6 2006, 07:59 PM
The oldest production I know of is; Dec. 1 1969,
owner; Glenn Stazak
Website; http://www.stazak.com/914
Paul
Posted by: davep Apr 6 2006, 08:31 PM
I've spoken with Glenn about the car. It is very interesting. But a build date of Dec 1 is bogus. I have seen a car with Nov 1969 date code that is later than Glenn's car. I think that Dec 1 date comes from a COA, and oftentimes they have the first day of the month. Well, I know they built on more days than just the first of the month. So either they don't know the date and try to be too precise or they are just being sloppy.
Posted by: drewvw Apr 6 2006, 08:45 PM
just out of curiousity, what was the production number for the nov. 1969 car?
Posted by: davep Apr 7 2006, 06:48 PM
| QUOTE (drewvw @ Apr 6 2006, 06:45 PM) |
| just out of curiousity, what was the production number for the nov. 1969 car? |
A bit tricky to see but it is 9140430033.
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Posted by: Kersey Apr 7 2006, 08:02 PM
Glenn's vin is #9140430012
Paul
Posted by: davep Apr 7 2006, 08:13 PM
| QUOTE (Kersey @ Apr 7 2006, 06:02 PM) |
| Glenn's vin is #9140430012 |
That is why I say the build date of Glenn's car has to be before Dec 1, 1969.
I also have 9140430019 being built in Oct 69 and 0059 in Nov 69.
Posted by: sixerdon Apr 7 2006, 08:17 PM
Dave, I'm curious. Is #0033 a U.S. import car? Any unusual details you know of?
Don
Posted by: Mike McGrath Apr 7 2006, 08:17 PM
I've spoken with Glenn about the car. It is very interesting. But a build date of Dec 1 is bogus. I have seen a car with Nov 1969 date code that is later than Glenn's car.
If you read the COA carefully, it says it was DELIVERED on December 1, 1969. Perhaps they are referring to when it left the factory or when it arrived at the dealer?
Posted by: davep Apr 8 2006, 06:20 AM
| QUOTE (sixerdon @ Apr 7 2006, 06:17 PM) |
| Is #0033 a U.S. import car? Any unusual details you know of? |
0033 was delivered by VW Canada, and was possibly the only 914/6 officially imported by VW Canada. It was sold to a VW Canada employee in May 1970, and used as a race car, never licensed for the street. It has a lot of race history.It is difficult to see anything unusual since it has been extensively modified, but I do note the color code is 29 / 29 and I don't know why the number is doubled.
Posted by: drewvw Apr 8 2006, 06:37 AM
That's really interesting. Dave, what's your method for tracing the history of specific cars?
Posted by: ! Apr 8 2006, 07:57 AM
4702900304
VIN# for the Rocket which I no longer own....thanks to DaveP for finding it.
Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Apr 8 2006, 08:51 AM
After owning this 914 for 30+ years, I learn about "chassis" #s! I thought the V.I.N. would be the chassis # as well. So I look, and sure enough, there it is in the trunk, corresponding to the Karmann tag on the door jamb.
1970 914/4 V.I.N. 4702903114 Built 01.70
chassis # 0319595 paint# L11E
Posted by: davep Apr 8 2006, 10:05 AM
| QUOTE (drewvw @ Apr 8 2006, 04:37 AM) |
| That's really interesting. Dave, what's your method for tracing the history of specific cars? |
Well, 0033 is a local car and I know the owner. I borrowed his documentation for a few weeks. Included the original service booklet, never used except for the dealer stamp, the original owner, VIN and engine # and the date of delivery. He had saved a ton of stuff. This was a homebuilt conversion GT.
For most other cars I find the VIN and owner contact wherever I can, then ask questions. Been at it 30 years though.
4702903114 Built 01.70 chassis # 0319595
Chassis 95 built on the Monday 3rd week of 1970, so the middle of January the body was welded up and painted. Then in the next two weeks it was assembled, given a VIN, and went out the door.
It was about twenty years ago that I collected enough chassis data to see the pattern and understand the date code.
Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Apr 8 2006, 10:31 AM
Interesting, fascinating and very much appreciated. I'll have to check the original service booklet to see when the original (and previous) owner took delivery.
Thanks for info, Dave!
Posted by: sixerdon Apr 8 2006, 07:28 PM
Dave,
Two more sixes to add to your data bank;
VIN; 9140430137
CH; 130229
DATE; 01/70
COLOR; 2910 CANARY YELLOW
VIN; 9140431372
CH; 131543
DATE; 04/70
COLOR; 8010 SILVER MET.
Let me know when you break the chassis code for the sixes.
Don
Posted by: Mhead Dec 10 2006, 08:25 AM
New member here...just looked up the VIN on one of my 70 914s...4702900544.
Where does this one stand in your record?
Posted by: Triaddave Dec 10 2006, 12:21 PM
kind of related... i have an engine case # gaoooooo4. came out of a 73 car, explain that...
Posted by: ArtechnikA Dec 10 2006, 12:26 PM
i have an engine case # gaoooooo4. came out of a 73 car, explain that...
GA == 2,0 yes?
1973 first year for 2,0.
or perhaps I didn't understand the question...
Posted by: SirAndy Dec 10 2006, 02:09 PM
i have an engine case # gaoooooo4. came out of a 73 car, explain that...
GA == 2,0 yes?
1973 first year for 2,0.
looks liek the 4th 2.0L production case ever made ....
Andy
Posted by: pankopp Feb 19 2007, 02:50 PM
Hey guys i am pretty close to the first, just picked up the car form Chogokin.
11/69, and i assume #610
Posted by: mrgreenjeans Feb 19 2007, 04:43 PM
Hey guys i am pretty close to the first, just picked up the car form Chogokin.
11/69, and i assume #610
nice Tag !!! hope the rest of the car is as cool. When you clean the paint residue off that sticker, ( assuming that ), try using some 3-M Imperial handglaze----the tan stuff that John Paterek recommends . It will work wonders and be safe on the vinyl tag. Just use a fair amount, keep it from getting too warm to the touch and with a small piece of cotton cloth, or cloth diaper, use a swirling hand motion. The rag will begin to cleanse the vinyl , and that dude will come out Spankin' !
Any thing else more caustic, and it could be a gonner....
Show us some more pix !
mrgreenjeans
Posted by: mrgreenjeans Feb 19 2007, 04:45 PM
Hey guys i am pretty close to the first, just picked up the car form Chogokin.
11/69, and i assume #610
Forgot to note.....lift often and make sure none of the dark lettering is coming off too. That would suck.
Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Feb 19 2007, 04:59 PM
For most other cars I find the VIN and owner contact wherever I can, then ask questions. Been at it 30 years though.
4702903114 Built 01.70 chassis # 0319595
Chassis 95 built on the Monday 3rd week of 1970, so the middle of January the body was welded up and painted. Then in the next two weeks it was assembled, given a VIN, and went out the door.
It was about twenty years ago that I collected enough chassis data to see the pattern and understand the date code.
And the delivery book for this car shows a delivery date of 01 April 1970. Way to call them, Dave
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Posted by: mrgreenjeans Feb 19 2007, 05:19 PM
I've spoken with Glenn about the car. It is very interesting. But a build date of Dec 1 is bogus. I have seen a car with Nov 1969 date code that is later than Glenn's car. I think that Dec 1 date comes from a COA, and oftentimes they have the first day of the month. Well, I know they built on more days than just the first of the month. So either they don't know the date and try to be too precise or they are just being sloppy.
Dave----
I remember having a conversation about this issue with a local Nord Stern and national PCA concour judge, from MPLS. named Corey Johnson. You may know him from PCA events, He has a top flight sixer in black/black that has won numerous shows.
The thoughts entertained and related to me at that time were that Karmann brought over bodies to the factory as they were needed, some from the front of the lot, from the side, back, what ever, not really spending a great amount of time in keeping everything straight and linear in a numerical sort of way. Explaining why there is such a jumping around in sequence....is this the deal, or has there been more research and sound data pertaining to this around now?
This was a discussion we had nearly 20 years ago at the Afton Event down Twin Cities way, I do believe.
Any clarity on this subject would be greatly appreciated.
mrgreenjeans
Posted by: burton73 Feb 19 2007, 06:44 PM
Very cool, my car was also delivered on 01 April 1970 914-6 #41
Right here in sunny California
Bob
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Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Feb 19 2007, 06:59 PM
Bob,
The 914 was sold to a leasing company? In 1970? Talk about being ahead of the curve! 
Posted by: burton73 Feb 19 2007, 07:35 PM
My dad was leasing cars way before that. I remember a 63 Chevy and a 67 Cougar XR-7 that I paid off the leasing Company $500 to buy it at lease end for my graduation present. (My dad made me work a little for it) That was in 71 so I guess my dad was getting 4-year leases back then. Blue, blue leather with a blue top.
Bob
Posted by: davep Feb 19 2007, 09:59 PM
Bob, I really need the chassis number and paint code from 0041. Carefully look at the paint code on the Karmann badge. 0033 has what appears to be 29 / 29. No idea why the code is doubled. Chassis # is in the rear trunk floor in front of the lock, should be 1300xx (#0033 was 130008) You might want to see if there is a similar # on the underside of the dash (it should have an extra '0' in it to designate the year).
As far as the chassis # vs VIN # sequencing, my hypothesis is that the bodies were welded up, and assigned a chassis/body # in sequence before they were painted. The Karmann badge would be installed after painting, then they were generally warehoused until a body of that color was required for the final assembly line. I suspect the VIN was assigned soon after beginning final assembly since the VIN tag on the windshield frame would be difficult to install after the glass is in place. We see photos of the assembly line, and the glass is in place rather early on. The chassis/body number can be well out of sequence with the VIN, or they may be sequential. I agree that there was little regard paid to keeping the chassis/body # in sequence with the VIN #. It does happen, but only rarely. More likely it was last in first out. It would be fascinating to get factual data from an assembly line worker.
Posted by: Eric_Shea Feb 19 2007, 10:13 PM
owner; Glenn Stazak
Website; http://www.stazak.com/914
One of my customers just bought #11 and is restoring it so that would be the first 914-6 off the line.
Posted by: Eric_Shea Feb 19 2007, 10:15 PM
Bob, it seems you have a very early car. Any thoughts about bringing it back to the original color vs. the gemini blue?
Posted by: burton73 Feb 19 2007, 10:55 PM
Dave, I will get you all of this but you need to give me some time as it is on the lift next door. I have ordered the paperwork from Porsche 3 weeks ago so that will give us some ideas.
Eric, I know you had a nice yellow 914-6 car before.. I no not mind yellow but I love Metallic blue and Cork. When I put the wide body on it changes it anyway and with all the mods done to this car it is not even the same engine case it came with. My thought is for me why not have what I really want in color. I am not going to enter this car in shows for originality. You have seen the Metallic blue 916, they sent it back to the factory and had the car repainted that color.
Bob
Posted by: mrgreenjeans Feb 19 2007, 11:01 PM
Bob, I really need the chassis number and paint code from 0041. Carefully look at the paint code on the Karmann badge. 0033 has what appears to be 29 / 29. No idea why the code is doubled. Chassis # is in the rear trunk floor in front of the lock, should be 1300xx (#0033 was 130008) You might want to see if there is a similar # on the underside of the dash (it should have an extra '0' in it to designate the year).
As far as the chassis # vs VIN # sequencing, my hypothesis is that the bodies were welded up, and assigned a chassis/body # in sequence before they were painted. The Karmann badge would be installed after painting, then they were generally warehoused until a body of that color was required for the final assembly line. I suspect the VIN was assigned soon after beginning final assembly since the VIN tag on the windshield frame would be difficult to install after the glass is in place. We see photos of the assembly line, and the glass is in place rather early on. The chassis/body number can be well out of sequence with the VIN, or they may be sequential. I agree that there was little regard paid to keeping the chassis/body # in sequence with the VIN #. It does happen, but only rarely. More likely it was last in first out. It would be fascinating to get factual data from an assembly line worker.
Veddddy interesting stuff here. Remarkable.
Little did Hans and Gunther know , when they traipsed out to retrieve another body on the trolley buck from a corner of the yard....that they could be conceivably creating so much discussion thirty five years later over some such silly thing as NUMBERS.
After all, they were only concerned with getting the stinkin' job done, and making another run out back to get another body in white to put on the assembly line.
That and maybe thinking about the nice little bier hall girl
down at the "Eagles Nest" getting ready to spread around a few more
for her customers at the end of shift.Hans and Gunther are probably somewhere going:
and here we are:
What a world !!!!
this is GREAT
Posted by: davep Feb 20 2007, 08:22 AM
Here is another tidbit concerning chassis numbers, there is at least one 1970 914/6 with a 1971 body number.
Posted by: proto31 Feb 20 2007, 01:28 PM
I've got #31. Dave, sorry I haven't gotten back to you with the paint codes, I am still trying to get the Karman badge from the PO (he claims that he stored them somewhere before he started restoring it.) The VIN is stamped in the usual place up front but also has the VIN stamped in the rear passanger side wheel well. The car came with a funky wiring harness that has some additional connectors for testing on it that looked to be factory. The front fender had no seam between them and the windshield panel. So far that all that I can tells that is different with this car.
Dan
Posted by: davep Jan 4 2008, 02:00 PM
It is time to get more data from you fellows. I'd particularly like to learn more from each 1969 production car. Even more so from 9140430011. Eric?
Posted by: loux951 Jan 4 2008, 03:48 PM
I'll have to look at my VIN when I get home...it was built in '69 with a number around 1400.
I've actually had my hands on the very first 914 off the production line. Its sitting in the VW museum, AutoHauz, in Wolfsburg, Germany. I have a picture of it in a book I bought at the museum. I'll scan it and post it here. No one was around so I reached in and popped open the engine lid to check it out (my buddy with me thought we would get kicked out and ran off!) The outside restoration looks good but I was really disappointed with the engine bay resto. This was back in March 2002.
Posted by: davep Jan 4 2008, 04:31 PM
Whoa, we need to learn more about that one!
We need to have someone go in to get more details, however we need the address for that.
At 1400 yours is definitely in 1969.
Dave
Posted by: SirAndy Jan 4 2008, 06:40 PM
Whoa, we need to learn more about that one!
We need to have someone go in to get more details, however we need the address for that.
http://automuseum.volkswagen.de/sammlung.html
it helps if you spell "Autohaus" correctly ...
Andy
Posted by: davep Jan 4 2008, 07:25 PM
So how can we get detailed info on this 914? Anyone in the area that we know?
Posted by: dflesburg Jan 4 2008, 09:16 PM
Erik's Great Pumpkin
# 1121 built Dec 1969
oh yeah guys, it runs and he is only 14.... eat your hearts out.
Posted by: Slider Jan 5 2008, 12:39 AM
Remember that with the factory assigning vins they could have been assigned right off during production to track the progress of the car or since they already had the chassis number they might have assigned the VIN towards the end after the motor and trans were in and using the VIN to heirarchy the chassis,engine and Transmission numbers together. I agree with what was stated earlier that they picked the chassis's at random they were not tryoing to keep things in numerical order. even at the factory they could have a higher number chassis with a low VIN.. its all part of manufacturing.. I did it with electronics for 7 years..
Posted by: morph Jan 5 2008, 02:26 AM
1-70
47029002344 is in my garage
james
Posted by: davep Jan 5 2008, 09:15 AM
Somewhere around 4702902000 was the change from 12/69 to 01/70.
Can everyone update their replies with the body # and paint code from the Karmann badge please. Those numbers are very important to my research.
Posted by: keske968 Jan 5 2008, 11:29 PM
not getting outta bed to check my Karmann number or the trunk but I can tell you mine is pretty old from what I've been reading here....
VIN # 4702902950
Body Number 0259562
Paint Code L80E (thinking about having it repainted to the origional color)
now converted to a six
Posted by: loux951 Jan 6 2008, 09:29 AM
Andy,
I'm cajun...not german. 
Posted by: Rob Ways Jan 6 2008, 09:54 AM
Any pictures of the 914 at the VW museum?
Posted by: loux951 Jan 6 2008, 06:55 PM
I don't have a scanner at the house but I found this link to look at the car. Its not "AutoHaus"...that was my mistake. It is the ZeitHaus at the AutoStadt. I did go the museum that Andy listed above right before the ZeitHaus, but it was closing for the day. I was upset because that is where I thought a 914 would be. We were vectored to the ZeitHaus which was still open since we drove the long distance and wanted to tour a car museum. Turns out I hit the jackpot!
The display by the car and the coffee table book I bought there both state that it was the first VW Porsche to come off the assembly line.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.wolfsburg-citytour.de/wolfsburg-tourist/Zeithaus_1/VW-Porsche_914/vw-porsche_914.html&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dzeithaus%2B914%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4ADBS_en___US236
As for my car, the VIN is 4702901167, so #1167.
So, I guess the answer to the orginal question is Volkswagen AG has the oldest 914...
Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Jan 6 2008, 11:01 PM
From the link: "Made was the car of 1969-1975...." Gawd, I miss that. 
Anyhow, back on topic.....Maj Tom, thanks for the linky to that museum Didja get the VIN on that red 914 ?
In addition to the past few responses, we'd like to humbly request that Loux951 (Tom), morph (James), and keske 968 add their repective VINs, color codes and chassis # to the 914 Info compilation that appears at the top, right side of the Forum page. We appreciate it, as we are trying to account for as many 914s as we possibly can. Thanks!
Paul
Posted by: Rob Ways Jan 6 2008, 11:40 PM
Thanks Tom. That car is awesome!
Posted by: loux951 Jan 7 2008, 01:59 PM
No problem, glad I could share that with the club. Unfortunately, I visited the ZeitHaus and saw this car almost 6 years ago in March 2002 when I was just starting my 914 craze...I didn't get the VIN number. Do we have a club member that lives in North/Central Germany that can go get it? Or maybe we can email someone at the ZeitHaus to take a picture of the VIN and other identification markings and send them to the club... 
The car looks red in the pictures on the website, but it is actually orange. I have no idea if that is the original color...the info from the ZeitHaus can answer that.
I posted my car VIN on the the VIN site for the club. I need to get the other info from my car. I will also post the VIN of the parts car I junked, all the info of the one I'm about to junk, and the VIN of the one that was junked when I got the car in 2000.
Posted by: SirAndy Jan 7 2008, 02:55 PM
The display by the car and the coffee table book I bought there both state that it was the first VW Porsche to come off the assembly line.
that looks an awful lot like the car pictured in DGVWPB ...
and i thought those wheels weren't available until '74 ???
Andy
Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Jan 7 2008, 03:28 PM
The display by the car and the coffee table book I bought there both state that it was the first VW Porsche to come off the assembly line.
that looks an awful lot like the car pictured in DGVWPB ...
and i thought those wheels weren't available until '74 ???
AndyWhat appears to be the same car (and photo) also shows up in Brian Long's book Porsche 914 914-6.
Methinks that items like wheels, the dashtop (where's the center vent?), Porsche crest and gawd knows what else, might have been changed or "improved". These pictures bear some resemblence to the car shown below, described as a "prototype" 914.
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Posted by: davep Jan 7 2008, 04:00 PM
that looks an awful lot like the car pictured in DGVWPB ...
and i thought those wheels weren't available until '74 ???
I agree that it is likely the same car. Same color (Tangerine?), trim, rims, fog light grilles.
Now we need to know the VIN. Who can find out?
Tom, when you looked at the engine, did it have FI or carbs. I know one very early car had carbs.
Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jan 7 2008, 04:23 PM
If its the above two cars that are being compared, I think they are not the same vehicle. Driver side mirrors, interior color, windshield chrome trim are all different. I doubt a museum would change anything at all on a display vehicle, much less to this extent.
The display by the car and the coffee table book I bought there both state that it was the first VW Porsche to come off the assembly line.
that looks an awful lot like the car pictured in DGVWPB ...
and i thought those wheels weren't available until '74 ???
AndyWhat appears to be the same car (and photo) also shows up in Brian Long's book Porsche 914 914-6.
Methinks that items like wheels, the dashtop (where's the center vent?), Porsche crest and gawd knows what else, might have been changed or "improved". These pictures bear some resemblence to the car shown below, described as a "prototype" 914.
Posted by: davep Jan 7 2008, 10:16 PM
If its the above two cars that are being compared, I think they are not the same vehicle. Driver side mirrors, interior color, windshield chrome trim are all different. I doubt a museum would change anything at all on a display vehicle, much less to this extent.
I think the ones we are comparing are the color photos of W0B-CD 555 from DGVWPB and this one at the museum:
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Posted by: loux951 Jan 8 2008, 09:42 AM
I don't remember if the car had FI or carbs. I do remember being significantly disappointed in the quality of the restoration in the engine compartment. It looked bad... 
like a restoration was never attempted. It gave me the immediate impression that it was a poor restoration focused only for appearance in the ZeitHaus. That lends credibility to the theory that the car may have been "upgraded" for looks with the later steel wheels, no dash vent, hood crest, etc. I think I even noticed the porsche crest on the steering wheel. Didn't VW-Porsche 914s for Europe have the VW crest on the wheel?
Key to this dilemma is getting the numbers off the car. I am going to try and find an email address to someone at the ZeitHaus. Andy, I may need some help with translation if I find one. I'll PM you if that is the case. Thanks. I want to get some digital pics of the vehicle numbers...
Posted by: Mhead Jan 8 2008, 10:27 AM
New member here...just looked up the VIN on one of my 70 914s...4702900544.
Where does this one stand in your record?
Did anyone figure out where this car fits in the age base...I recall it had a mid 1969 build date on the door jam...got it stored away so i'll have to get to it to verifiy what month it was built in...BTW..it's a 4 with less than 22k orginal miles on it...still has the orginal Michelin skinny X's
Posted by: davep Jan 8 2008, 10:44 AM
It should be 11/69 production.
I do need full info on this car and any 914 you have access to. Please email it to me with photos when possible.
Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Jan 8 2008, 10:46 AM
"M",
That VIN would place your car as the 3rd oldest /4 in our 914 listing. Please add the VIN to the 914 Info page that can be found at the top, right heading of the Forum pages. Also add the color (and code) and chassis # (both found on the Karmann plate on the driver's side door jamb) if you can. The build date, on the trailing edge of the same door jamb, would be useful information as well.
An early car like yours is very intriguing, and I'm sure I speak not only for myself, but others as well, when I say I'd really like to see pictures of this car, with detail photos showing the trunks, engine compartment and interior.
Paul
Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Jan 8 2008, 11:22 AM
I do remember being significantly disappointed in the quality of the restoration in the engine compartment. It looked bad...
like a restoration was never attempted. It gave me the immediate impression that it was a poor restoration focused only for appearance in the ZeitHaus. ..... the later steel wheels, no dash vent, hood crest, etc. I think I even noticed the porsche crest on the steering wheel. Didn't VW-Porsche 914s for Europe have the VW crest on the wheel?Assumed low production # aside, I'm beginning to question the original, authentic presentation of this 914. In addition to the above mentioned anomalies, I've not ever seen body-colored fog light grills, except when they became black later in the production cycle, and thus would match a black car.
Paul
Posted by: davep Jan 8 2008, 11:35 AM
They also say it is a water-cooled 4 cylinder boxer motor. NOT!
Posted by: Mhead Jan 8 2008, 12:56 PM
It should be 11/69 production.
I do need full info on this car and any 914 you have access to. Please email it to me with photos when possible.
Posted by: davep Jan 9 2008, 12:52 PM
Got an email from Rene in Switzerland, he got the museum webmaster to correct the watercooling goof. Now to wait to find out if more info can be obtained from the museum; VIN etc...
Posted by: Gustl Jan 16 2008, 03:37 PM
currently there's a guy who sells official german documents from the following car
I mailed him a question about more infos and that's what I got:
47.0.29.00387
signal orange
2 times tranny exchange and 3 times D-Jet brain exchange until December 1976 (!!!)
this one ended up as a parts car in the 70ies ...
1st registration on November 25th, 1969 - Berlin, Germany
eBay #180207324728
Gustl
Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Jan 16 2008, 04:44 PM
currently there's a guy who sells official german documents from the following car
I mailed him a question about more infos and that's what I got:
47.0.29.00387
signal orange
2 times tranny exchange and 3 times D-Jet brain exchange until December 1976 (!!!)
this one ended up as a parts car in the 70ies ...
1st registration on November 25th, 1969 - Berlin, Germany
eBay #180207324728
GustlAre you saying 4702900387 no longer exists, except as that German spec document shown on eBay?
Paul
Posted by: SirAndy Jan 16 2008, 05:29 PM
Are you saying 4702900387 no longer exists, except as that German spec document shown on eBay?
yes ...
Andy
Posted by: Mhead Jan 16 2008, 07:13 PM
"M",
That VIN would place your car as the 3rd oldest /4 in our 914 listing. Please add the VIN to the 914 Info page that can be found at the top, right heading of the Forum pages. Also add the color (and code) and chassis # (both found on the Karmann plate on the driver's side door jamb) if you can. The build date, on the trailing edge of the same door jamb, would be useful information as well.
An early car like yours is very intriguing, and I'm sure I speak not only for myself, but others as well, when I say I'd really like to see pictures of this car, with detail photos showing the trunks, engine compartment and interior.
Paul
These are the only pics i have on the computer for now...this car has been stored away for the winter. I think you'll get an idea from these.
Thanks,
John
Posted by: Gustl Jan 17 2008, 12:30 AM
Are you saying 4702900387 no longer exists, except as that German spec document shown on eBay?
yes ...
Andyyes ...
Gustl
Posted by: johannes Jan 17 2008, 02:37 AM
currently there's a guy who sells official german documents from the following car
I mailed him a question about more infos and that's what I got:
47.0.29.00387
signal orange
2 times tranny exchange and 3 times D-Jet brain exchange until December 1976 (!!!)
this one ended up as a parts car in the 70ies ...
1st registration on November 25th, 1969 - Berlin, Germany
eBay #180207324728
GustlAre you going to bid ?
Posted by: Gustl Jan 17 2008, 03:05 AM
no - I was just interested in the history, which the owner friendly told me
I've no use for this old german sheet of paper 
Gustl
Posted by: burton73 May 19 2008, 01:18 PM
Dave,
Sorry this took so long. 130071 The book says it was delivered on 01/04/70
Bob
9140430041
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Posted by: Ferg May 19 2008, 01:24 PM
I inspected 4702900111 at one point years ago. It was converted to a six from a actual wrecked six and was a neat car.
I did take pictures but for the life of me cannot find them.
Ferg
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