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Posted by: Hawktel Apr 27 2006, 09:20 PM
Well?
Posted by: sixnotfour Apr 27 2006, 09:23 PM
Mike Hagen did some good trading for it , see more info here
http://www.pbase.com/9146gt/sonauto_40_porsche_9146gt_24_hours_le_mans
Posted by: 914forme Apr 27 2006, 09:36 PM
Won its class, not the race, it was overshadowed by a much bigger fish with 6 extra jugs, and way more HP.
Yes Hagen ownes it, lucky man. Thou when you think of the feat for the 914 to win its class, it kinda makes the the 917 look a little bad. But you will never here a Porsche owner of any other type tell you that.
Posted by: Twystd1 Apr 27 2006, 09:38 PM
I thought Brad had it..... For a while........
Twystd1
Posted by: So.Cal.914 Apr 28 2006, 12:58 AM
But didn't it win 6th over all? Out of all the cars on that track, I believe it
took 6th. That is fuching amazing. 
Posted by: Rockaria Apr 28 2006, 08:33 AM
But didn't it win 6th over all? Out of all the cars on that track, I believe it
took 6th. That is fuching amazing.
Out of the 50 or so cars that started only 7 finished. "It was a rainy Le Mans that year" So 6th place is the next to last place finish... The important statistic was the fact the little 914 was only 61 laps down on the Panzer. and on the same lap as the 911 that came in 7th.
Just to brighten your day!
Posted by: (*)(*) Apr 28 2006, 08:35 AM
"Placed" sixth....sixth wins nothing except a place in History....in this case it "survived"....
Posted by: Eric_Shea Apr 28 2006, 08:58 AM
It 'won' the GT class.
Take a look at the GT cars of today. We all know Kevin and The Racers Group right 
Why? Mainly because he won the GT class at Le Mans.
If you were the driver and you won your class, I will 'guarantee' you that you'd be telling your friends and family for the rest of your life how you 'won' Le Mans.
A class win is a win. That's why the have 'classes'. 
Posted by: grantsfo Apr 28 2006, 09:43 AM
"Placed" sixth....sixth wins nothing except a place in History....in this case it "survived"....
I had always thought 24 hour endurance races were about "survival"? Perhaps outstanding nueteral handling had something to do with it avoiding accidents and its bullet proof engine allowed it to finnish.
I know I'm baised, but I still think that this was the 914's greatest racing accomplishment. Its sixth place overall and 1st in class wins a place in my heart as long as I drive a 914-6.
Posted by: Gustl Apr 28 2006, 09:44 AM
but even if it was the next place to the last - about 43 cars (or so) didn't manage to finish the race 
so I'd say that's not so bad 
it shows that our beloved teener is (at least it was 
) a reliable racecar
Posted by: Steve Apr 28 2006, 09:44 AM
Its sitting over at Hergesheimers in Lake Forest with a stuck rear caliper.
Posted by: (*)(*) Apr 28 2006, 09:49 AM
I'm not belittling the accompishment. Just making a comment on survival versus winning.
24 hour races are just that.....You can win by getting out front by beating the crap out of the car and then coasting hoping that everyone else breaks or lurking in the rear waiting for the front runners to break.
Good brakes, good suspension, solid drive train will always win out in the end....if the end is far enuff away....
Winning the class sounds good.....being sixth of seven that finished not as good.....but both descriptions are accurate.
Posted by: Gustl Apr 28 2006, 09:49 AM
I know I'm baised, but I still think that this was the 914's greatest racing accomplishment. Its sixth place overall and 1st in class wins a place in my heart as long as I drive a 914-6.
well, in my opinion the 1-2-3 at the Marathon de la Route 1970 was the absolute highlight in the racing careere of the teeners
I mean, it was a 86 hrs race at the most difficult track in the world (Nurburgring)
that's 3.5 times LeMans ...
Posted by: grantsfo Apr 28 2006, 09:57 AM
I know I'm baised, but I still think that this was the 914's greatest racing accomplishment. Its sixth place overall and 1st in class wins a place in my heart as long as I drive a 914-6.
well, in my opinion the 1-2-3 at the Marathon de la Route 1970 was the absolute highlight in the racing careere of the teeners
I mean, it was a 86 hrs race at the most difficult track in the world (Nurburgring)
that's 3.5 times LeMans ...
Never heard of it. Any on line sites that give history of this race?
Posted by: Gustl Apr 28 2006, 10:11 AM
Never heard of it. Any on line sites that give history of this race?
are you kidding ?????? http://www.stazak.com/914/gt/race/races.html
http://homepage.mac.com/frank_de_jong/Races/1970%20Nurburgring%2084hrs.html
3. see the victory celebration poster:
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Posted by: Gustl Apr 28 2006, 10:22 AM
here are the 3 cars
914.0.43.2541 - Lic: S - W 1947 - bumper black / yellow
914.0.43.2542 - Lic: S - W 1948 - bumper black / red
914.0.43.2543 - Lic: S - W 1949 - bumper black / green
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Posted by: grantsfo Apr 28 2006, 10:23 AM
Never heard of it. Any on line sites that give history of this race?
are you kidding ?????? http://www.stazak.com/914/gt/race/races.html
http://homepage.mac.com/frank_de_jong/Races/1970%20Nurburgring%2084hrs.html
3. see the victory celebration poster:
Nope. Never heard of this event and never realized 914-6 GTs did 123 sweep.
Posted by: Gustl Apr 28 2006, 10:25 AM
and here's the famous shot at the finish line
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Posted by: Eric_Shea Apr 28 2006, 10:38 AM
I can help with that...
We've already restored two sets of original GT calipers.
Posted by: So.Cal.914 Apr 28 2006, 11:07 AM
Out of the 50 or so cars that started only 7 finished. "It was a rainy Le Mans that year" So 6th place is the next to last place finish... The important statistic was the fact the little 914 was only 61 laps down on the Panzer. and on the same lap as the 911 that came in 7th.
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Out of 50 cars only 7 finished and a 914/6 came in 6th ahead of a 911, that is 43 cars that did not finish. You are kinda hard to please arn't you.
Posted by: Steve Apr 28 2006, 11:31 AM
I can help with that...
We've already restored two sets of original GT calipers.It might be fixed by now. I think its just sitting there in storage.
I had Hergesheimers install the M030 kit on my 993 six months ago.
I would just sit and stare at the 914-6GT and try not to druel on it.
Even though I would rather build my own with a 3.6 and modern tires.
A real GT is over rated and belongs in a museum or historic track races.
Old technology brakes and tires and only has a 2.0 liter with 220 HP.
A 3.6 with a Wevo 916 trans and brembo calipers would do circles around it.
Posted by: URY914 Apr 28 2006, 01:45 PM
In 1980 a 914-6 GTU car finished 5th overall and 1st in class at the Daytona 24 hours. Driven by Bill Koll and Jim Cook.
(I was there 
)
This a picture of the car but this was taken at Riverside.
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Posted by: racergreg Apr 28 2006, 02:30 PM
Regarding the Le Mans winner -
Anyone notice there's no cage in that car?! 
Posted by: 914forme Apr 28 2006, 02:53 PM
They convinced the sanctioning body that the traga bar = roll bar, and then they bolted the top down and reinforced the A pillars.
Safe probally not, but it did save a few pounds of the GT.
Posted by: Mr.C Apr 28 2006, 05:34 PM
Can anybody tell me what cars were in the same class as the 914?
Posted by: URY914 Apr 28 2006, 07:23 PM
Can anybody tell me what cars were in the same class as the 914?
Mostly 911's
Posted by: iamchappy Apr 28 2006, 08:18 PM
Everyone seems to forget about the 1971 IMSA GT Champion
*1971 Porsche 914/6 GT (Brumos overall IMSA Camel GT championship.
Here the 914 took on the Vettes, Camero's, Mustangs, Javelin's, Bmw, Datsun and 911's.
http://www.wspr-racing.com/wspr/results/imsa/imsa1971.html
The 1971 season was the first racing season to feature six races. GT cars, similar to the European classes Group 4 and Group 2, were competing in the early seasons and were divided into four groups: GTO, GTU, TO and TU. The first champions were Peter H. Gregg and Hurley Haywood, in a Porsche 914/6 GTU. Usual winners in these early years of IMSA were the Porsche 911 Carrera RSR and Chevrolet Corvette. Camel, for the following year, would step in as the title sponsor, therefore the series became known as Camel GT
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