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Posted by: stephen7 May 2 2006, 01:50 PM
I bought a triad - sweet deal. But it mounts too close to the end of the exhaust to clear the rear of the car. Can I buy extensions or do I just start cutting up the back of the car. I need about 2 - 3 inches more clerance with the rear valance.
thanks
steve 
Posted by: blitZ May 2 2006, 02:49 PM
What kind of headers are you attaching it to? Can you post a pic?
Posted by: McMark May 2 2006, 03:20 PM
You shouldn't need to cut. Something is not right.
Posted by: Headrage May 2 2006, 03:21 PM
You shouldn't need to cut. Something is not right.
I saw Aaron install his and didn't see a saws-all in his pile of tools...
Posted by: Grimstead May 2 2006, 03:25 PM
You shouldn't need to cut. Something is not right.
I saw Aaron install his and didn't see a saws-all in his pile of tools...I think Aaron kept the valance off, that what I plan to do with mine...
Posted by: Mueller May 2 2006, 03:30 PM
Not enough info.......
muffler for heatexchanger??
dual outlet or single??
it is for a 2.0 correct, if heat exchangers??
Posted by: stephen7 May 2 2006, 04:50 PM
stand by for photos.....
Posted by: Rouser May 2 2006, 05:02 PM
You may have to shim (with washers) your rear tranny mounts (I had to, due to the 911 Sport mounts) to lower the powertrain a bit for clearance.
Than you clone the notch on the valence panel for the right side (sabre saw will do).
Posted by: rhodyguy May 2 2006, 05:06 PM
with the 2 out the back you will need to notch the valance to put it on. that is if you indeed have early 2.0, type 4, heat exchangers.
k
Posted by: Gint May 2 2006, 05:11 PM
with all of the above.
I just got off of the phone with Dave at Triad. Whodathunkit?
Dave tells me he now has jigged up and can attach mild steel ends to even stainless 1.7 or 1.8 HE's so that you can mount one of his mufflers wth the older exchangers. But without that mod it won't fit on 1.7 or 1.8 heat exchangers. All things being equal though, it should fit behind the valance with no issue. Unless of course you have the dual outlet Triad in which case the valance will have to be modified for the right side exit as has already been pointed out.
Posted by: rhodyguy May 2 2006, 05:20 PM
i hate the thought of taking my heat exchangers off and on to install a muffler setup. does anyone know if the 1.7/1.8 and the 2.0 used a common stainless outer skin?
k
Posted by: stephen7 May 2 2006, 09:21 PM
I love the club!
Her are the pics
I have a 2.0 type IV from a bus I am told. here are some pics
this is what came off of it and this is what I have to put on it
Thanks
steve
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Posted by: Aaron Cox May 2 2006, 09:23 PM
wrong HE's buddy. those are 1.7/1.8
triads ONLY FIT 2l heat exchangers.
Posted by: Aaron Cox May 2 2006, 09:24 PM
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Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) May 2 2006, 09:26 PM
those are 1.7L heat exchangers and if the muffler you bought was for a 2.0L it wont fit properly. 2.0L heat exchangers come straight out. No kick up like the ones you have 
well I almost got it first Aaron 
Posted by: stephen7 May 2 2006, 09:33 PM
a ha
so maybe I don't have a 2.0 bus motor after all...
Is it correct to assume the 1.7 heat exchangers don't fit on a 2.0 engine?
(nice work on the photo redux btw)
thx
Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) May 2 2006, 09:36 PM
Nope, not correct. 1.7 heat exchangers will fit a 2.0 so you could have either engine.
Posted by: Aaron Cox May 2 2006, 09:37 PM
a ha
so maybe I don't have a 2.0 bus motor after all...
Is it correct to assume the 1.7 heat exchangers don't fit on a 2.0 engine?
(nice work on the photo redux btw)
thx
all the heat exchangers will fit on a 1.7/8/2.0 motor.
they all fit the same...
the difference is ID, and the end where they kick up at the end (1.7/8) or stay straight (2.0)
the muffler hangers are diff.....
you could have a 2.0 with 1.7 HE's
Dan beat me this time....
Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) May 2 2006, 09:41 PM
gotcha! 
Posted by: stephen7 May 2 2006, 09:43 PM
awesome input gents
you just saved me cutting the whole back end out of the car.
so -
is it safe then to conclude that I need the straight heat exchangers in order to mount this unit?
I bought this thing without knowing too much about it - it is worth putting it on right? better sound, mild horse power improvement -
no?
thanks
Posted by: Aaron Cox May 2 2006, 09:44 PM
gotcha!
you won the battle little dude.... but you lost the war
Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) May 2 2006, 09:47 PM
war?? did I miss something? 
And who says I am little?
Posted by: Aaron Cox May 2 2006, 09:48 PM
war?? did I miss something?
And who says I am little?
just a stupid quote from home alone....
lol. dan. "why cant we be friends, why cant we be friends"
Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) May 2 2006, 09:50 PM
No problem....just dishing a little bit out, instead of taking it for a change
Posted by: stephen7 May 2 2006, 10:02 PM
No problem....just dishing a little bit out, instead of taking it for a change
So - waduyouthink? Just find some heat exchangers that are straight? I don't have any heat in this car by the way. Does that matter?
It is strictly an autocrosser
merci bien
steve
Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) May 2 2006, 10:05 PM
either you find a set of 2.0L SSIs or stock heat exchangers. Or you get yourself a muffler that works with 1.7L heat exchangers. Or get rid of it all and get some headers. What you have heat exchanger wise will not work with your Triad.
Posted by: stephen7 May 2 2006, 10:09 PM
either you find a set of 2.0L SSIs or stock heat exchangers. Or you get yourself a muffler that works with 1.7L heat exchangers. Or get rid of it all and get some headers. What you have heat exchanger wise will not work with your Triad.
Thanks guys - you saved me a lot of agony
Posted by: Gint May 2 2006, 10:13 PM
No problem....just dishing a little bit out, instead of taking it for a change
So - waduyouthink? Just find some heat exchangers that are straight? I don't have any heat in this car by the way. Does that matter?
It is strictly an autocrosser
merci bien
steve
I'd buy a header if I didn't want heat. You could keep those HE's and have Dave at Triad modify them if you ever want to go back to heat.
Posted by: swood May 2 2006, 11:59 PM
Dude, you drew dual dongs on that ass end...wassup widat??
Posted by: jasons May 3 2006, 12:10 AM
Thanks guys - you saved me a lot of agony
You should just unload that POS Triad... I would be happy to take it off your hands and make sure it is disposed of properly on the ass end of my car.
Seriously if you decide to back out of it lemme know, I want one.
Posted by: stephen7 May 3 2006, 02:55 AM
maybe - what is it worth to you? I heard I could get a used header for around $250. How do the triads sound? I am driving without any muffler right now and it sounds like I am driving a cessna 172 with the pitch turned all the way up and throttle all the way open. (Sounds tough) steve
Posted by: type47 May 3 2006, 05:42 AM
i think you should verify that you have a bus engine, not that it makes a huge amount of difference with your exhaust situation. for future work and parts purchase, you would want to know. my bet is you have a 1.7L 914, not "bus" but the person who told you this may just have been referring to the motor as the same engine as is in the bus, since it "basically" is the same.
Posted by: jasons May 3 2006, 07:34 AM
maybe - what is it worth to you? I heard I could get a used header for around $250. How do the triads sound? I am driving without any muffler right now and it sounds like I am driving a cessna 172 with the pitch turned all the way up and throttle all the way open. (Sounds tough) steve
Whats the story on it? Condition etc....
I'll open an offer at $175
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