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Posted by: ppickerell May 22 2006, 10:33 PM

Looks like my mildish 2.0/4 rebuild will require front oil cooling despite the many threads from 6 guys who run at 210 all day through the mojave with stock coolers. I was looking at getty 916 bumpers and their other offerings most of which I do not like. I am looking for pix of front mount oil coolers done with stock 73/early bumpers if such a thing exists. I have a rather large hole cut in my trunk for missing AC. It would be great to mount here. Can I pick up enough air flow mounted horizontal in this location?

Posted by: Aaron Cox May 22 2006, 10:37 PM

get a FG GT bumper and FG GT valence....

makes about a 5" tall opening..... plenty of cooling.

me - i am just using the GT valence... which gives about a 2" opening.

AA

Posted by: ppickerell May 22 2006, 10:45 PM

Are you referring to the Getty GT stuff?

Posted by: Aaron Cox May 22 2006, 10:47 PM

ANY fiberglass GT bumper and GT valence....

getty just makes the best stuff....

Posted by: Aaron Cox May 22 2006, 10:48 PM

ala this....


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Posted by: McMark May 22 2006, 11:06 PM

Patrick, I bet good money that just putting the oil cooler in place without actually cutting air holes will be sufficient. I'd go that route first.

Posted by: McMark May 22 2006, 11:08 PM

I would also love to see some temp reading taken directly from your on-engine oil cooler to see if it's getting flow or not.

Posted by: Lou W May 22 2006, 11:12 PM

McMark, Are you talking about mounting an oil cooler where his a/c was?

Posted by: Aaron Cox May 22 2006, 11:16 PM

i think he talking about using the "body" plugs that are behind the bumper/valence

Posted by: McMark May 22 2006, 11:17 PM

Even if Patrick didn't have a giant hole in the trunk I expect an oil cooler would do the job he needs just fine. The fact that he does have extra air flow is just bonus.

Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) May 22 2006, 11:17 PM

This is my 25 row oil cooler mounted in the floor of the front trunk. It is mounted with a 1600 cfm fan blowing thru the cooler and out the bottom of the trunk.


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Posted by: ppickerell May 22 2006, 11:18 PM

I seem to remember pix of an ac hole mount. Anyone? When I get the car back this week I will shoot some temps.

Posted by: McMark May 22 2006, 11:19 PM

No Aaron. Just having the oil far away from a heat source for that long amount of time would be sufficient for the small amount of cooling Patrick needs. I expect he could put a cooler in a completely sealed trunk and get sufficient cooling for his needs.

Posted by: ppickerell May 22 2006, 11:20 PM

Dan,
Nice, does it use a thermostat or is the fan always on? Is the fan mandatory?

Posted by: Aaron Cox May 22 2006, 11:20 PM

ahh.. yeah.
look at 911's.... most of the cooling was done by the lines... and not by the goofy trombone cooler.

if in fact he just needs marginal cooling, then yeah, i agree... 20 feet of line might do it....

Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) May 22 2006, 11:23 PM

floor of trunk with 15 holes of 1.5 inch diameter...this would more or less correspond to the hole in your trunk floor from the A/C


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Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) May 22 2006, 11:26 PM

Holes in valence correspond to holes in front bulk head from factory, just remove the rubber grommets.
Fan is on the fog light switch wiring. rewired switch so it is hot when ignition is on. works great.
Thermostat for oil circuit is housed in Mocal thermostatic sandwich plate mounted between engine block and oil filter.


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Posted by: race914 May 23 2006, 10:01 AM

I've had good success with adding a 'splitter' to my front spoiler along with a cutout on the front bumper






Didn't get enough air through the cooler until I added the 'splitter' for force the air through

Posted by: ppickerell May 23 2006, 10:16 AM

Any AC hole mounts sans fan and stock bumpers??

Posted by: Mueller May 23 2006, 10:27 AM

Patrick, please do not install a 916 front bumper on that car, if you do, I might be forced to "pee" in your EDM tank (with power turned off of course)

I dig the GT look !!!!!

Posted by: Brad Roberts May 23 2006, 10:45 AM

Patrick,

just to be clear here: 911's and 9146's cool the cars with upwards of 12 Quarts of OIL and a fan that moves a lot more air.. and an oil cooler that is almost double that of the 4cyl oil cooler as far as size goes.

You have 4 quarts.

Posted by: Brad Roberts May 23 2006, 10:49 AM

Here is what I would do first:

This is what I do on the 2.0 stock injected race engines:

Run the Scat deep sump. It ads something like 2 quarts to the system and it is bolt on. They run $150 or so. and take 30min to install. Dont buy the super deep one. They have a thinner version that fits perfectly between your header. Try that first. I typically run a front mounted cooler and the deep sump.

B

Posted by: Brad Roberts May 23 2006, 10:54 AM

50020 = 1-1/2 QUART TYPE 4 / 914 FINNED 356-T6 ALUMINUM OIL SUMP

That is the Scat Part number. Any VW Bug place in your area can buy from Scat.

I'll have pics in a minute.



B

Posted by: Aaron Cox May 23 2006, 10:59 AM

jake likes the deeps better than the tuna can, because they have a higher threshold of pain, when you smack a speed bump or something...

more robust. but they do hang LOW

Posted by: turboman808 May 23 2006, 11:02 AM

I kinda like that design. Do you think if I did that and had it pulling up it would get enough air? I think there has got to be enough gaps for air to escape thru the toparound the lid.

Posted by: Brad Roberts May 23 2006, 11:22 AM

That design works well IF you have an alternator.

Front mounted are more efficient at cooling. NO energy required.

The system shown above is GREAT for street cars that see traffic (of course it works in race cars also)


B

Posted by: bernbomb914 May 23 2006, 11:45 AM

I have a scat sump plus a rear mounted cooler with fan under the pass. side trunk. It works very well and is a lot simpler than routing it to the front. my engine is a 2270 and it stays cool.

Bernie

Posted by: turboman808 May 23 2006, 11:53 AM

Yeah I am not sure if I need to do this type of setup or not. So far I have never seen it go above 190. And I have never turned un the rear oil cooler fans. I imagine all this will go out the window once I hit the road course and see what kinda temperature I am really dealing with.

Good thing is the car has a high output alternator so that setup would probably work well.