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Posted by: out_0f_exile May 26 2006, 01:54 PM

Hi,

Does anyone know how rare a factory 1970 914-6 GT is? My step dad recently came arcoss one and is currently putting it all together (parts had been removed). So if anybody knows much about them or even better, how much they go for at an auction, I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks

Posted by: jd74914 May 26 2006, 01:59 PM

Really really rare if it is in fact an authentic GT.

http://www.pbase.com/9146gt

Posted by: lapuwali May 26 2006, 02:00 PM

A geniune GT is rare, and worth big money (six figures). However, there are a LOT of replicas, as they're not particularly difficult to make. A really nicely done replica made from a real 914-6 could fetch more than $20K, perhaps a good bit more. A replica made from a 914-4 (look at the VIN, a real 914-6 will start with 914, a conversion from a 4 will start with 47) will fetch less, perhaps $15K if nicely done, perhaps less.

Posted by: Brad Roberts May 26 2006, 02:47 PM

Look where he is posting from.

The number one dealership in the early 70's for converting the 9146's to GT's and M471's was located in Kansas. Art Bunker?? I think was the name of the dealership.

It wouldnt surprise me at all if he has a dealer converted car.

Show us pics.


B

Posted by: Eric_Shea May 26 2006, 02:50 PM

The Kremer car was on the blocks for $145k almost 8 years ago. The market for that type of stuff was the softest then as I've seen it. I'd estimate $30k north of that now... depends on what it is.

Posted by: sixerdon May 26 2006, 04:17 PM

Since this is your first post, everyone was so stirred up with a mention of a 914-6 GT, that they forgot to welcome you! So there it is! Welcome to the world headquarters of 914 info.
Just give us the VIN number and watch the reaction. Also, send for a Certificate of Authenticity which will be helpful for the history of the car. (Pictures when you can)

Don

Posted by: davep May 26 2006, 04:47 PM

Lots of great info here. And some extremely knowledgeable people.

Posted by: So.Cal.914 May 26 2006, 05:18 PM

Welcome. I hope it's real...

Posted by: Headrage May 26 2006, 05:24 PM

PICS PICS PICS!!!!!!

Posted by: Stutgart46 May 26 2006, 05:40 PM

A real 914/6-GT isn't worth that much. Maybe $1500 or so. It's probably not worth the time to restore it. Lucky for you, I'm looking for a project car and I would be willing to pay $1200 or so.

Posted by: mikez May 26 2006, 05:49 PM

Parts donor at best.....

Posted by: SirAndy May 26 2006, 09:27 PM

prices vary widely, cars with actual porsche racing history tend to fetch quite a few bucks ...

here's a list of known factory GT VIN numbers, compare and cross your fingers ...

914 043 0019
914 043 0705
914 043 0709
914 043 0983
914 043 1640
914 043 1732
914 043 2541
914 043 2542
914 043 2543
914 143 0139
914 143 0140
914 143 0141

anything other than that was dealer/customer build and will not be quite as rare and/or expensive.

oh, and


Andy

Posted by: KELTY360 May 26 2006, 09:44 PM

Kinda like checking lottery numbers. Good luck and

Posted by: GWN7 May 27 2006, 12:21 AM

Hello and welcome

Did your step dad find it in Nevada?

Posted by: Gustl May 27 2006, 12:33 AM

little mistake, huh

there are more GTs built by the factory, but your list just shows the cars used/raced by the factory ...

Gustl

Posted by: SirAndy May 27 2006, 08:12 AM

sorta ... the factory build some for customers, some were build by dealers and some were build by customers (using the m471 kit i presume) ...

point was, a car with know racing history will fetch far more money ...
Andy

Posted by: davep May 27 2006, 09:52 AM

Yes, known racing history is the biggest factor. That is why I'm doing my best to research my friends car. Records that are searchable on the net are scarce. Of course the other cars noted in the material get added to the database as well. There are a lot of cars out there that we don't know the whereabouts of. As Brad says, Art Bunker was well known to have fielded a team back in the day. I don't know if any are accounted for yet. Overland Park is just a few miles from Kansas City, so it seems to be a good prospect. Anyone else from the area?

Posted by: rickyhgarcia May 27 2006, 10:16 AM

I saw an add on the Max Moritz car (the car in my avatar) for $135K a few years back....

And that was a dealer preped car...that´s not cheap...

Posted by: davep May 27 2006, 02:25 PM

Saw this one on www.mroks.com:

Porsche 914/6 Group-4, 1970.

This Porsche 914/6 Group-4 car was fitted with a type 901/25 engine
in March 1970 by the Swedish importer.
VW-Sweden entered the car in the 1970 Swedish National Championship.
It was then driven by Leif Hansen who finished 2nd in class.
Except for the national Swedish races the car was also entered in some
international races run in Sweden.

In 1970 this car was the Speed Record Holder in the Röforsbacken Hill
Climb, driven as a private entry by well known Björn Waldegärd.
The car continued racing in Sweden in the hands of various local drivers
until 1999.

In 2000 the car went to a new owner in Southern Europe who had the car
prepared again to top-level in today’s historic racing.
All work and preparation to this car have been done to the highest level.
The car is a very fast, reliable and competitive car.
It has FIA papers and is road-registered within the EEC.


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Posted by: Gustl May 27 2006, 05:13 PM

914.0.43.0071

Gustl

Posted by: out_0f_exile May 29 2006, 06:25 PM

We yhave paperwork from the factory saying its genuine straight off the production line and modified at the factory(i think). ill look through all of our pics. we have a ton, so it will take me a while to find the good and right ones. I ll post some pics when i find them!

Posted by: davep May 29 2006, 06:29 PM

Excellent news, please keep us informed.

Posted by: out_0f_exile May 29 2006, 07:03 PM

Ahh... Found the letters!

Posted by: GTeener May 29 2006, 07:07 PM

Wow! Looks like a good find!

This guy has a list of what I assume are all the 914-6's serial numbers. No pictures though...

http://www.pca.org/914/9146SerialNumbers2.htm

Did your step-dad buy his car from any of these folks?
http://www.pca.org/914/SIGsiteRegisters6.html

Posted by: grasshopper May 29 2006, 07:24 PM

wow, love the misspellings on the PCNA document.... and it is from america...It wouldn't be so bad if it was from germany, but you would think that americans could write english....

Posted by: LvSteveH May 29 2006, 07:29 PM

I'm not seeing anything in those docs that suggest the car is anything but a factory 914-6. Maybe someone could decode the engine number to shed further light on the subject.

Posted by: michel richard May 29 2006, 07:38 PM

From the letter, it may be that the flares were either factory or dealer installed. It does'nt actually say so, I agree, but just that would add significant value, even if more is needed to reach stratospheric figures.

An original /6 is nothing to sneeze at, to begin with. The engine serial number may tell us more, but I don't have the necessary data at hand.

Michel

Posted by: out_0f_exile May 29 2006, 07:50 PM

I'm not too sure where he got it. I just discovered he has had it for quite a while, i just never knew about it. And thanks for all the welcomes, last forum group i joined pretty much told me go **** myself. But thanks for all the info. My step dad knows alot more than me, i was just doin some research for myself. ya know, see what i could find out.

But currently, the 914 is at my uncles bodyshop being resprayed. My step dad dropped a wrench on the door panel! I almost thought he was going to throw up. It was really bad, it left a huge chip in the paint.

So lately he's been working on our new race car. He spent about a year and a half working on his other one only to have a sway bar get bent getting some air at Heartland Park in Topeka, Kansas. Put him straight into the wall.

so.... just wastin time writing.

Posted by: brant May 29 2006, 07:52 PM

flares are nice..
but doesn't make it a full GT
the option for flares and racing parts was M471
funny that the documentation doesn't show your car to have that option.


I agree.. doesn't mean its not an awesome car, but might mean its a 30K car instead of a 130K car.

brant

Posted by: GTeener May 29 2006, 07:55 PM

Posted by: davep May 29 2006, 09:11 PM

The M471 option was basically just the flares and related parts, and does not designate a GT. So all this means is that the car was originally delivered as a regular street 914/6. But then, a lot of racing 914/6 GT's also started the same way. So this could be a dealer conversion or a home conversion either of which means it could still be classified as a true GT. To be classified as a GT it would have had to have been raced in an appropriate class back in the early 1970's. A considerable number were raced back then. What will be most telling is the degree of conversion and the number of original GT parts that were used. Actual race history may be able to be determined. The older the conversion, the degree of conversion, and the extent of the racing history will dictate the value of the car.

This car is not on my list. I see it listed by Larry Lee, which means he has some record of the car. It would certainly be useful to find out what Larry has on the car.

The DOT date for the car should be 03/70, this is the date of assembly.

Posted by: out_0f_exile May 29 2006, 09:22 PM

ok, ill check and see what Mr. Lee has to say. Thanks!

Posted by: brant May 29 2006, 10:18 PM

I agree with this.
its worth further investigation.
my friends car came with not only the steel flares, but the correct cooler, the original hoods, and the correct thermostat.. a fairly complete package.

see what else your father in law's car has to go with the flares
motor ID is a big plus too.

brant

Posted by: JOHNMAN May 30 2006, 12:00 AM

I frequent that track.

What car got damaged? When was it? Was it at a club race, or at a D.E.?

I look forward to seeing it out there. Typically at D.E. events, ours is the only 914 there. For club races, usually a bunch from Colorado show up.

There is a DE at Heartland Park this weekend (June 2,3,4). The car and my dad will be there (I don't know if I'll be there or not as I have a new son, am trying to get over my surgury from last Friday, and trying to complete my 914/6 conversion).

Posted by: out_0f_exile May 30 2006, 01:10 PM

It was a white 914. it was about a year and a half ago, so it was before they repaved it. he was going down the main straight and he got air on the part where the dragstrip runs into the road course part, or at least thats what i think he said.

I believe he was finishing up getting his liscense to drive in the PCA, but im not too sure. I wasnt there.

His current car isnt done yet. probably wont be until Fall or early winter. Its going to be an open cockpit car, probably orange and be number 89. He's thinking about racing in a vintage 914 class i believe in the SCCA.

I would actaully like to come to the track this weekend with my dad, but im shooting a movie with my friends, and i cant miss this one. sorry.

And Congrats on the new baby!

Im still looking and resizing some pics to post. It took me a while but i realized why i couldnt post the pics as is. Theyre way too huge. but ill get em, and ill even post some pics of the race cars.

Posted by: Lawrence May 31 2006, 04:28 AM

There was a guy in Junction City, Kansas who claimed to have a disassembled 914/6 GT... but he was a strange bird. Didn't return phone calls and flaked out a couple of times I asked to come take pictures. I got the impression he was worried someone might try to steal it... or maybe the story was a total fabrication. Eventually, I gave up.

Might be the same car... but I never did lay eyes on it.

Welcome... and congrats on the score!

-Rusty

Posted by: Thack May 31 2006, 03:29 PM

I saw in an Excellence article there were 50 914-6 GTs. Is this the case? Did people in Europe get these cars and not race them?

Posted by: brant May 31 2006, 03:35 PM

my opinion.
part of the problem with this discussion/thread.. is "what constitutes a GT?"

there were I believe 200 fender kits produced.
they had to produce a certain number in order to legalized the option for their racing cars.

so does that mean 200 GT's existed
in my opinion no.
I don't think a fender kit constitues a real GT
a fender kit, makes it a cool 914-6 with fender flares, but doesn't really make it faster.

so it all boils down to what really is a GT and what is not really a GT.
most people agree that a real GT has race history, a hot motor, and the fender kit with associated bits and pieces.

I think the 16 or so GT's are pretty universally agreed upon.
but the remaining 200 fender kit cars are more debateable.

brant

Posted by: Eric_Shea May 31 2006, 03:42 PM

I believe the factory acknowledged 41 cars in a past issue of Pano. This included some dealer built vehicles... not sure though. I'd have to dig up the issue and scan the list. But, I'm way too lazy to do that

(there's one here in UT BTW)

Posted by: GWN7 May 31 2006, 04:28 PM

I always thought it was GT kits that were produced. These included all the GT parts. All the parts were sometimes not put on the dealer preped cars. A member here posted a few years ago about finding some.....

Posted by: scotty b May 31 2006, 04:38 PM

If we are talking about "real" GT's wouldn't you also onclude the cable operated headlights and fixed roof in there or were those only for the FACTORY built GT's? If only the factory GT's had those parts then maybe we should have a GT Junior class Seriously though we have factory built Gt's...dealership built GT's .....and GT clones built aftermarket using factory parts correct? (not including modern day DIY GT's) Also curious about whether the dealership built cars were ever actually logged in as such or were they just built and sold as a "stock" 6 or even 4 for that matter Inquiring minds want to know........

Posted by: brant May 31 2006, 04:45 PM

All of the parts may have been available seperately from the factory.
and perhaps they agreed to produce 200 of each part.

but Very few of the flared fender (even factory or dealer installed) cars have all of the parts. Most don't have the oil cooler or correct thermostat.

some have flares without the correct balsa wood reinforced hoods.

not many at all have all of the parts.
I think fender flares are by far the most common of the parts to be actually found.

brant

Posted by: Brad Roberts May 31 2006, 05:23 PM

I'm betting it is a M471 car that is being raced. The 916's and M471's were the only 6's I know of that shipped with "leatherette" interiors.

Andy,

you know what I'm thinking.. right.. a certain silver M471 is still sitting.. maybe I'll have the funds again one day...LOL


B

Posted by: SirAndy May 31 2006, 06:12 PM

don't get me started on that car ...

btw. i have a solution for your /6 problem ...
call me Andy

Posted by: GWN7 May 31 2006, 07:07 PM

According to Glen Stazak their were 400 GT kits produced for dealers

Posted by: JOHNMAN May 31 2006, 08:16 PM

As I recall, that was his first DE with the car. (and the first time with any of the Kansas City clubs)

We warned him numerous times to be careful of Alpha Zero, but he ended up eating concrete instead.

It was a freshly done car.

I especially liked the BONDO in all the weld joints. The BONDO/Welds looked pretty until after the wreck when it became obvious that the welds were crap.

The guy seemed nice enough.

I doubt very much if another M471 or GT surfaces in this area that none of us know about. The last real M471 that we knew about here in KC was traded for a 308 and some cash several years ago. I believe that car is up north now.

Posted by: davep May 31 2006, 09:42 PM

There were factory produced cars in a variety of configurations. There were dealer produced cars in a wide variety of configurations. There were home built cars as well. In the truest sense, IMHO, a GT is a car that was built and run in the proper classification back in the early 1970's. There are lots of clones being made, and many run in competitions today. Due to the many classifications that the cars were run in you see a lot of variation. For example, IMSA mandated a fuel cell, so these cars did not get the 100 liter tank modifications. Many had no need for headlights of any sort. Some would run in open (spyder) configuration, others in closed form. Generally they would have started with a 2.0 engine with about 200hp. Later they moved up to the 2.5 liter GTU limit. Most would have some form of oil cooling, but with fuel cells crowding the front trunk, the 'usual' GT cooler was rare in the USA and Canada.

Don't forget that these cars were workhorse race cars. Banged up and readied for the next race. Log books were not mandatory or well annotated when used. As the rules changed, so did the cars. When they were no longer competative, they were dumped in favor of the the next hot ride. This was true even of the 917.

Posted by: Gustl May 31 2006, 10:46 PM

don't talk about this special car - this one is top secret

Gustl

Posted by: Gustl May 31 2006, 10:50 PM

this is an excerpt of the famous GT-list from the Porsche factory,
dated 06/30/71




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Posted by: Gustl May 31 2006, 10:56 PM

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Posted by: Brad Roberts Jun 1 2006, 01:30 AM

Scary. You still have the pics!!

The car still has the original tires on it.

Too bad he sold the engine and the trans!!


B

Posted by: Gustl Jun 1 2006, 01:56 AM

sure ... I even have some background infos, but I had to promise not to share 'em ... sorry


if only I had more money

Gustl

Posted by: RON S. Jun 1 2006, 05:00 AM

I dug up the COA on my car,last night.I clearly states that my car came delivered with a black "leatherette" Intereior.

I know that my car is definately not a any kind of special -6r,but it is a European model.

My quexchun is,what constitutes a leatherette interior?Anyone seen one complete and intact?

When I got my car,the door panels were gone,but the seats,dash top & pad,and the backpad were in place.The material is definately not leather,but the feel and grain of the material is a lot smoother than the stuff I've seen on every other USA model -6.

What gives,Ive wondered about this for some time.

Ron

Posted by: gms Jun 1 2006, 08:12 AM

I have 2 entries in my database for 9140431066:

Panorama Nov & Dec 1989
Project car, great for autocross or tme trial, less eng, trans & bumpers, first $3500 takes it home

Paul raced a 914-6 in IMSA (I think early 80s) but that serial number is accounted for.

Paul Resnick
PAR Porsche Specialists
Tel: (914) 637 8800
Email: paul@parcars.com

Hope this helps

Posted by: Brad Roberts Jun 1 2006, 10:09 AM

Mr Stazak is ALIVE!!

Ok. What are you working on?


B

Posted by: ChicagoPete Jun 1 2006, 11:20 AM

Hey Glenn, Nice to see you here! I got my car delivered from Mark about 3 weeks ago...we have to get together this summer.

Posted by: scotty b Jun 2 2006, 09:27 AM

If I may impart a little of my ignorance here. I believe "leatherette" is the European way of saying VINYL with a leather like stamping, it sound better than just calling it vinyl which is typical 914 interior; whereas the 471 option was actually leather. It also was a different door panel than the standard 914 and it somewhat resembled a 911 panel if I recall. George (fussy) Hussey (where's Michael Buffer when you need him?) has/had one that he had several pics of in an older catalog that clearly showed the different interior. Much nicer looking. I'm thinking about copying it in one of my cars...thinking

Posted by: scotty b Jun 2 2006, 09:54 AM

O.K. I found the catalog and took a pic. Article was on Hussy's car and was written by Brett Johnson so it is probably pretty acurate.

" But the rarest of all 914 derivitives produced were the 914/6GT, the 916 and the 916/6 with the M471 package."

Article then goes on to describe the various changes between said models thenm states

" Now, consider the following: total 1971 914/6 production was 443 cars; total 1972 production was 240 cars; and 1972 cars were not exported to this country. So what are the odds of findinga U.S> spec carwith the M471 option package?There are no factory records of the number producedbut there is at least one...

Article also states that

"At least three of the 916s had trendy "op-art" seat inserts although most seem to have leather. The firewall and third seat area were leather coverd as well as the dash top,shift boot even carpet edging. The car imported to the U.S. by Peter Gregg at BrumosPorsche in Florida even had leather coverd visors and headliner!"

There is alot of other info in the article i won't get into such as an attempt at integrating the antenna into the windshield. Page 20-26 of the older AA catalog




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Posted by: scotty b Jun 2 2006, 09:57 AM

This catalog


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Posted by: davep Jun 2 2006, 10:16 AM

Pretty accurate maybe, but still in error. Especially when we have photos of 259 and 260.

Posted by: Brad Roberts Jun 2 2006, 11:26 AM

Pete Stout has something in his signature: "dont believe everything you read"

I think what we read/see are good guides.

Now. I have a questions for the "powers":

Birgit just returned from Germany where she visited a shop outside of Munich that had a LOT of vintage Porsches including a white 916. The guy also had a 904 and MANY 914's in this large facility (covered in dust/crap).

Who owns the white 916?

This is the third 916 she has seen in person (my point is: she knows what she is looking at) She also asked..LOL

Who's shop is this?


B

Posted by: scotty b Jun 2 2006, 11:40 AM

Possible misunderstanding on one of our parts. Photos are of #260 in the 1972 model year, or #260 total? Figures in the article would add up to a TOTAL no of cars built at 683 from 71-72 with 240 of those being produced in 72
. Obviously a bit of mystery surrounding the 6's that no-one has definitively cleared up

Posted by: Gustl Jun 2 2006, 12:22 PM

not that I call myself a "power", but I can tell you the answer:

the shop is http://www.m-freisinger.de/ in Karlsruhe
they are long term specialists for Porsche and for racing
the car isn't a 916
it's 914.0.43.0376, a former factory test car (for chassis stiffnes) - first it was a narrow body car with steel roof and 2.2 S engine, light ivory
after it's factory time it went through a couple of owners and one of them added the flares and painted it grand prix white - so it looks like a 916
cool detail - Mr. Freisinger added a 2.8 twin plug engine ...
and Mr. Freisinger tells all people that this is a 916 prototype

anyhow, it's a very special car, but definitely no 916 ...

Gustl

Posted by: Brad Roberts Jun 2 2006, 02:00 PM

Thank You Sir!

I thought I had a decent hold on who had 916's and who didnt. I was blown away that a "white" one existed.

She needs to stay away from prototypes!! LOL << several will get that joke

and yes.. I consider you a "power" (knowledge is power)

B

Posted by: DEC Jun 2 2006, 02:13 PM

Gustl is specially for the 914-6, GT's and the 916's
the guy with the most knowledge.

I think no private person has more informations
about the cars than Gustl

Posted by: SirAndy Jun 2 2006, 02:20 PM

WOW, only 1 car inbetween my newly accuired /6 (#374) and this car ...

Andy

Posted by: Quilmes Jun 2 2006, 02:20 PM

<Possible misunderstanding on one of our parts. Photos are of #260 in the 1972 model year, or #260 total? Figures in the article would add up to a TOTAL no of cars built at 683 from 71-72 with 240 of those being produced in 72
. Obviously a bit of mystery surrounding the 6's that no-one has definitively cleared up>


Here it goes, the reason that many people in the United States think that there were only 240 1972 914-6 made is because whom ever translated the " Excellence was expected" Book, made a tipo.
If you pick up a German version you will find that it say that there were 260 914-6 made in 1972 build year.
Many people who have written books about 914s use the Excellence was expected book as a reference(The English version) and do not really due any research on how many where built. All it takes is a few phone calls and leters.
It's the same with a few 914-6 GT running around claiming racing history when I know for a fact that two cars are not really what they claim to be.

That is why George Hussey was so happy when he bought the Red 9142430240, because the English version of most books said #240 was the last one built.
When I brought in 9142430259, George wanted to buy it right on the spot, made me a better offer than the current owner had, but I had made a promise and was not about to stab a person in the back whom with out knowing who I was deposited a lot of money in my bank account with no questions asked.

#260 is currently for sale in Germany, you can also see it on Armando web site.

So yes there were 260 914-6 built in the 72 build year.

But don't forget that the factory also re-did a 914-4 into a M471 914-6 in 1975 for a customer. Anything is possible.

I hope that this helps a bit.

Quilmes

Posted by: Gustl Jun 2 2006, 02:37 PM

Martin, I'm not sure that #260 is still for sale, the ad is more than half a year old ... but I'm currently trying to find it out



little comentars to something of the above:
AFAIK there was not one single 914-6 built in 1972 ... they were all built in 1971, but model year 1972


it's a fact that #260 is the highest recordet VIN, but nobody knows for sure whats the latest built - another fact is, that all these cars were not built by strictly incrementing VINs
we all know that George claims to have the last - that's possible, but he can't proof it

there's even a 914-4 that got converted to a 914-6 GT by the Porsche Austria Racing Division - this one entered just a few local races and got sold then

Gustl

Posted by: Gustl Jun 2 2006, 02:41 PM

many thanks for the flowers, Wilco

but I definitely know a hand full of guys knowing much more about the GTs than me - it's just that I'm permanently in contact with them, so it seems that I know almost everything


Gustl

Posted by: Gustl Jun 2 2006, 02:44 PM

well, the white one exists - 914.2.33.0019




you might take a look at my http://www.oct.at/wos/916/916Liste.htm

Gustl

Posted by: Brad Roberts Jun 2 2006, 04:54 PM

Interesting. She said there were signs everywhere "NO Pictures" ..LOL

If it wasnt for the controversy surrounding the GT's/M471's916's.. we wouldnt have anything to talk about..LOL

B

Posted by: Brad Roberts Jun 2 2006, 04:57 PM

Gustl,

do you know how much the Blue 916 sold for out of the UK? You have it listed as "in restoration" I was in contact with the seller out of the UK. Just curious what it went for?

It is number "17"

Oh.. FYI: Birgit spent a lot of time around the Yellow 916. It typically sits in a shop in Campbell CA. We also have been exposed to the "18" car


B

Posted by: Brad Roberts Jun 2 2006, 05:03 PM

Funny thing here on the board:

As soon as someone mentions GT or M471 or 916, the movers and shakers in the 914 community come out of the woodwork.

It appears *somebody* makes a conference call and lets everyone who owns one know that *something* is being said on the board..


B

Posted by: Quilmes Jun 2 2006, 05:08 PM

Gustl I hope that you are doing well.
I agree with the dates, I think that the re-tooling at porsche is done in August/September. As I was told by Klaus Parr when I was a Porsche a few years back. So the 1972 model 914-6 were possibly built in fisical year 1971. Just like today 2007 model cars already on the street in 2006.


But I know that George does not have the last 914-6 built. for the reason of #259 & #260.
I think that #260 is still for sale as I spoke with Udo two weeks ago, it might be going to California.


Thanks and have a good weekend.
Quilmes

Posted by: Gustl Jun 3 2006, 01:40 AM

Brad, #17 was for sale in Germany (and it still is there) - I guess you were in contact with the sales mediator (Dr. H.), just like me
He gave me some background infos titled "top secret" which I absolutely respect. But, as a part of the sales contract he wasn't allowed to tell me neither the price nor the new owner ...

Gustl

Posted by: Gustl Jun 3 2006, 01:52 AM

in my opinion we can't know if #240 was the last one built
we know that there are about 20 cars with a higher VIN, but Porsche didn't built them strictly by incrementing VIN and they doesn't have records about the numerical order ...

one indication for #240 to be the last one built would be, that it was used as a factory mule for a couple of years - but off course there's no proof ...

a way to find out more could be to try to get the info of the Karmann chassis numbers of these cars
Dave P. has contacted George but he didn't get 'em
I tried to get this data from #260 - no luck till now

I guess we will never know it for sure

Gustl

Posted by: GWN7 Jun 3 2006, 01:57 AM

If I remember #17 went to Italy..... Or Dr. H indicated it was going there........

Posted by: Gustl Jun 3 2006, 04:07 AM

from which date is this info?
once I heared a rumor that the car will go to Italy, but there was also a rumor that it will go to Japan (there was definitely a serious interest, but this deal didn't happen)

one month ago #17 was still is germany - that's a fact

Gustl

Posted by: GWN7 Jun 3 2006, 04:55 AM

This was when it was listed here forsale....... a couple years ago

Posted by: gms Jun 3 2006, 07:36 AM

Hey Brad, long time no hear from
Just finished up a consulting gig in Chicago (9 months) and now it is time to play with the cars again!!!

Posted by: gms Jun 3 2006, 07:40 AM

Pete,
I look forward to seeing the car!
Mark did such a great job on his car I can't wait to see your

Posted by: GTS Jun 3 2006, 11:10 AM

The problem with the proof of the right 914/6 Gt is not easey, even if you have the first customers name, as most conversions were doen in the Kundendienst/Service department and they recorded them by running order No instead of VIN or Customer names...I tried that....Most cars were referred to by the sponsors name and that's how I could verify that I had a correct 914/6 GT the Hannen Alt car.The car was butchered wildly during it's life, even a convertible version was applied to the car and that's how I got the car......It is now in Italy and I hope restored to it's old glory and been racing.....I was just short of money to finish the job...wish I had it....still in mourning