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Posted by: freezing14 May 31 2006, 08:39 AM

ok i was looking at the 914-6 on evil bay

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/PORSCHE-914-6-ORIGIONAL-1970_W0QQitemZ4645474135QQcategoryZ6430QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

and as I look at the picture, there is a couple of thing weird like the engine shroud is red but thats no problem the carb air box is wrong but no problem either,, the big problem is that picture

if you look at the side it has the curved reinforcement seen only on the 73 and up tub,, so this is very likely a rebuilt transfer or something else not right


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Posted by: echocanyons May 31 2006, 08:41 AM

Good eye!

Posted by: rhodyguy May 31 2006, 08:47 AM

runs rough? motor meister? is that a bad combo?

k

Posted by: aircooledboy May 31 2006, 08:53 AM

Hmmmm......

It also has the older style jack bracket, which makes you wonder if the car is a "stitch'em together" job. idea.gif


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Posted by: boxstr May 31 2006, 08:55 AM

A previous accident could have been the reason for a later (73)front support being installed on this 914-6. If you are bidding I would definetly ask the owner. Plus a PPI with the car in the air on a rack will help to answer a few of your questions.
CCLINEBAYORMYWAY

Posted by: KaptKaos May 31 2006, 09:03 AM

On top of that, the guy seems to have a bit of an attitude. See the Q&As he's posted.

I know ebay is full of tire kickers, and that can make people crazy, but why bother posting the answers?

Posted by: RON S. May 31 2006, 09:04 AM

I'm always amazed at the fact that most of the guy's selling 6r's,never have pictures of the serial#'s on the car.That would always calm some concerns.


Also,every car photographed from 20' away looks gorgeous.Even mine.


Definately recommend a PPI on this one.



Ron

Posted by: SirAndy May 31 2006, 10:03 AM

yes, '73+ front end for sure ... i bet you the guy doesn't even know his car is stiched together ...

dry.gif Andy

Posted by: rhodyguy May 31 2006, 10:18 AM

he kind of sidestepped Gustl's ? cleanly. thumb3d.gif

k

Posted by: URY914 May 31 2006, 10:44 AM

Q: Hi, what is the salesprice do you exspected ?
May-31-06
A: more than u can afford

chairfall.gif Wise ass

Posted by: rhodyguy May 31 2006, 10:55 AM

imagine the ppi.

k

Posted by: tod914 May 31 2006, 11:00 AM

QUOTE
Q: Do you know any history on the car? Do the engine, transmission, and chassis match?
May-31-06
A: yes all matches



I wonder if he means they are all painted white?

Posted by: tdgray May 31 2006, 11:04 AM

Correct me if I am wrong but isn't that also a Euro six badge on the back or were they all that way. (memory is not what it once was).

Posted by: zymurgist May 31 2006, 12:24 PM

I have a strange feeling that I have seen this car before... the gouge in the door skin looks totally familiar (in a weird deja vu sense)... wasn't this car on eBay a year or 2 ago?

Posted by: drewvw May 31 2006, 01:29 PM


I asked him a question but something tells me he's not going to post it for public consumption.... biggrin.gif

Posted by: URY914 May 31 2006, 01:33 PM

I don't think he realizes he has 5000 guys here picking his car to bits. laugh.gif

Posted by: drewvw May 31 2006, 01:35 PM



if he didn't before, he does now I can assume you! laugh.gif


yes, I was polite and respectful....

Posted by: drgchapman May 31 2006, 01:37 PM

Correct rear bumper: cool_shades.gif

Posted by: Aaron Cox May 31 2006, 01:38 PM

look at the door gap

Posted by: Hammy May 31 2006, 01:39 PM

"Q: Is the engine a 2.7 liter? I live on long island,would I be able to look at the car. Thanks, Mark
May-31-06
A: The engine is the correct displacement. If you dont know what that is, then you are not interested in this car. "




Whatta jerk.

Posted by: Aaron Cox May 31 2006, 01:41 PM

"does acting like a shmuck help you sell your car?"

Posted by: Dr Evil May 31 2006, 01:55 PM

Here is the question I asked him,

"Hello,could you please post the number that is located on the passenger side wheel well in the front trunk? It may start with a 47. Thanks and nice looking car."

Posted by: type47 May 31 2006, 01:55 PM

my guess is the VIN is 91404301863 delete "0"

Posted by: AZ914 May 31 2006, 03:57 PM

QUOTE(Hammy @ May 31 2006, 12:39 PM) *

"Q: Is the engine a 2.7 liter? I live on long island,would I be able to look at the car. Thanks, Mark
May-31-06
A: The engine is the correct displacement. If you dont know what that is, then you are not interested in this car. "




Whatta jerk.



He obviously doesn't know. Suprised he didn't supply the VIN. It looks like its got the left side ignition though.

Posted by: Joe Sharp May 31 2006, 04:27 PM

I didn't like his attidude, so I asked him about the front end and asked to see a picture of the steering wheel and ignition switch. Lets nail him down.
:PERMAGRIN: Joe

Posted by: Dr Evil May 31 2006, 08:00 PM

Here is his answer:

"the number stamped in the passenger wheel well is the Vin# 9140431863. I was not aware the vin number appears there, so I suppose this means the front end was not chopped off, as some inquiring potential purchasers have suggested."

Posted by: KaptKaos May 31 2006, 08:11 PM

QUOTE(Dr Evil @ May 31 2006, 07:00 PM) *

Here is his answer:

"the number stamped in the passenger wheel well is the Vin# 9140431863. I was not aware the vin number appears there, so I suppose this means the front end was not chopped off, as some inquiring potential purchasers have suggested."


He's a smart ass this one. I am sure he's none too happy to be getting this scrutiny.

Posted by: Dead Air May 31 2006, 08:15 PM

QUOTE(URY914 @ May 31 2006, 08:44 AM) *

Q: Hi, what is the salesprice do you exspected ?
May-31-06
A: more than u can afford

chairfall.gif Wise ass


Heavier than u'r shopping for!

Posted by: drewvw Jun 1 2006, 08:07 AM


I got back responses to my question today.

I asked him about the 73 and up front end and he said:

"If the car has some later model components, it is possible this was done during the life of the car. "


I also told him that he should check out the club site, as his car was being discussed. He said:

"Sounds interesting"


I think he might be catching on now that perhaps he is the one who has no clue about the car.


Posted by: Gustl Jun 1 2006, 08:39 AM

I do know that this car was on eBay about 1 year ago
it was for sale by another eBay member and it had a much longer description

when I'm back home I'll check it with my files and tell you the details
maybe this guy knows more about it and doesn't want to tell it ...
this might be a reason why he wants to sell it after only one year

idea.gif Gustl

Posted by: Gustl Jun 1 2006, 10:23 AM

voila:


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Auktion: 4563016960
eBay ID: schmorge
final bid: US$ 14.600,00 (Reserve not met)
time period: 17. - 24.07.2005

Miles: 135,000

Vehicle Description

SELLER HAS LOWERED RESERVE. CAR IS BEING LISTED FOR A CLIENT. PLEASE DIRECT ALL QUESTIONS AND INQUIRIES TO: MR. LEO ROCCA AT 301-473-5315 EST OR LeoRocca@adelphia.net

1970 PORSCHE 914/6. PURCHASED IN CALIFORNIA 2001 AND SHIPPED EAST, CAR CURRENTLY RESIDES IN MARYLAND. ORIGINAL CA. CAR. UNRESTORED, UNALTERED, NEVER RACED, ORIGINAL PAINT AND CORRECT NUMBERS. CHASSIS# 9140431863, ENGINE# 6405185. WHITE ON BLACK WITH CORRECT FUCHS WHEELS.

AN ORIGINAL 914/6 IS A GENUINE RARE AND SCARCE CAR. OF APPROX. 54,000 914'S PRODUCED, ONLY SOME 3,300 SIX CYLINDER MODELS WERE BUILT. OUT OF THESE, 1,788 WERE SOLD IN THE U.S. FEW ORIGINAL EXAMPLES SURVIVED AS THE 2,200LB. CARS WERE POPULAR FOR RACING AND AUTO CROSS AND THEREFORE EXTENSIVELY MODIFIED.

THE 914/6 WAS ASSEMBLED AT THE KARMANN FACTORY FOR PORSCHE AND THEN SENT TO PORSCHE'S ZUFFENHAUSEN FACTORY FOR INSTALLATION OF THE 2.0 SIX CYLINDER ENGINE. THIS WAS AN EXPENSIVE PROCESS WHICH PUSHED THE COST OF 914/6 TO WITHIN $500 OF THE 911T. THIS IS PROBABLY THE MAIN REASON THE CAR WAS ONLY OFFERED FROM 1970-1972.

THE 914/6'S REAL CLAIM TO FAME WAS GREAT HANDLING AND REASONABLE POWER. IT CAN BE DRIVEN WITH ABANDON AND IS A FAR MORE FORGIVING CAR TO DRIVE QUICKLY THAN AN EARLY 356 OR 911.

CAR CURRENTLY HAS 135,000 MILES ON A COMPLETE ENGINE REBUILD FROM CRANK BEARINGS OUT BY MOTOR MEISTER OF DOWNEY CA. AT 118,000. STARTS AND RUNS WELL (IT'S A GREAT DRIVER) AND HAS NO SIGNIFICANT LEAKS. DOCUMENTED WORK, ORIGINAL OWNERS MANUAL, TOOL KIT AND JACK AT HAND.

ITEMS TO NOTE ARE: 3" CRACK IN WINDSHIELD LOCATED PASSENGER SIDE LOWER CORNER (SEE PIC). DOOR SKIN AND PASSENGER QUARTER PANEL SCRATCHED (SEE PIC) AND SOME NEGLIGIBLE SURFACE OXIDATION LOCATED IN THE FRONT BOOT FLOOR RIGHT OF SPARE AND REAR BOOT UNDER CARPET (SEE PICS).

THIS STUNNING, ORIGINAL EXAMPLE IS BEING OFFERED AS IS. NO WARRANTY EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED. SHIPPING IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE BUYER. SELLER WILL ASSIST ON HIS END. IF YOU DO NOT HAVE THE FUNDS PRE-ARRANGED, DO NOT BID ON THIS ITEM.
PRINCIPALS ONLY.



... maybe this helps to make your own mind ...

wavey.gif Gustl

Posted by: tod914 Jun 1 2006, 10:33 AM

well despite all the negativety, it does have a nice badge on the back wink.gif

Posted by: zymurgist Jun 1 2006, 10:50 AM

Thanks Gustl. If I remember correctly, this car was near me in Maryland but for some reason I didn't go check it out.

Posted by: drewvw Jun 2 2006, 09:50 AM


I don't know if you guys have been paying attention, but if you now go to the public questions section, you'll see he was absolutely HAMMERED by the club on this.

His tone changes as you read up too...nice work team! Even a mention of the club (that's me).

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