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Posted by: Andyrew Jul 29 2006, 09:03 PM

Im looking to get a street bike, I figure its about time for me to learn to ride one..

I want something used, something I can get a hold of in good mechanical condition for under 1500. Something that if I lay down, its not the end of the world. (as long as Im ok)
I want it to have over 50 miles to the gallon, the more the better.
I dont want 70hp.. I dont want to have the temptation of doing wheelies at 60 miles an hour, or flying by at 140mph.. Thats what I have my car for...


I dont want a dirt bike, and I dont want a cross bike.. (or whatever there called)

I want a strictly street bike that I can insure cheap, and drive to work and back with no worries asside from crazy people in cars.





ALSO..

What do you guys think of this?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/STREET-LEGAL-sport-bike-street-bike-motorcycle75MPG-MPH_W0QQitemZ140011170074QQihZ004QQcategoryZ6719QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Anyone have one?

What about the Kawasaki ninja's?

Posted by: HeloMech Jul 29 2006, 09:13 PM

I think with that thing, it would be ok for a short while then become a problem. You'd be better off with something better that's used rather than that cheap chinese or whatever it is thing.

Look around at www.crashclub.net there's a for sale section there. It's a lot of great people over there that will steer you in the right direction. Someone always knows someone selling a bike, even in other clubs.

Posted by: Nick Pawloski Jul 29 2006, 09:26 PM

The Kawasaki EX500 is a good choice for a beginner. I believe its a parallel twin, has decent power to get you where you need to go, not too flashy. The Ninja 500 is pretty much the same bike with fairings. Both have been made for a long time, pretty bulletproof bikes, plenty of parts available.
Any of the smaller cruiser bikes would be a good choice, Honda Rebels, Suzuki Savages, etc.
Honda Nighthawks are great bikes too. I wouldn't suggest going as small as a 250, unless you have never ridden anything before, or are really unsure if bikes are for you.
Get something you'll be happy riding for the next year or so, because if you go too small, you'll be done "learning" in a month or two and will want something with a little more kick.

Posted by: bmunday Jul 29 2006, 10:27 PM

Also don't go over 600cc, don't let anyone talk you into a 750, 1,000 or higher....
I know to many people who have started way beyond their abilities, and ended up in the hospital.. They are the lucky ones..... Ride in full leathers, and a helmet, please......

Posted by: Brad Roberts Jul 29 2006, 10:30 PM

I have only had two friends die on EX 500's. Not the bikes fault.

Is this really needed Andrew? What about a 1.7 914 or something?


B

Posted by: wertygrog Jul 29 2006, 10:48 PM

FINALLY just got my '74 Honda CL360 on the road....

so to answer your cheap cost and cheap insurance question, i say...get an old bike!!! I love my old honda, rides great and is powerful considering its age...look on craigslist and your local classifieds.

don't go with that bike you linked too on ebay, you need more than 200cc to get you out of trouble, but like people are saying no more than 600cc..

and PLEASE if you are inexperienced with motorcycles, take the MSF or other course before you hit the streets, or you are going to die. Period.

Have fun, i can't live without my bike now that ive tried it!!
Brent

Posted by: nocones Jul 29 2006, 11:08 PM

First I would suggest signing up for the MSF course held in your area. Basic rider training that will give you a good set of fundamentals. Plus, it is accepted in the place of taking the riding test at the DMV.
Also, please budget $1000 for gear, no matter what bike you choose. A good helmet, gloves, boots, etc...
Jeans are not riding pants.

The Kawi EX500 is an excellent bike, available cheap, and easy to maintain.
Not sure of the mileage, but it should be sufficient.
Suzuki GS500 is another winner.
Both are parallel twins.

I had a nighthawk for a first bike, and it was great. Good mileage, reliable and cheap.
I wouldn't advise getting anything much more than ~13 years old. You want this to be a tool, not another project, right?

The cruiser-type bikes will be slow to react in traffic situations. They don't handle particularly well and generally don't have very good brakes.

Personally I'm a huge fan of enduro bikes. I know you said you aren't interested but they can be had cheap, are nimble and fun to ride, and won't get you sent to jail for felony speeding.
Kawasaki KLR is one of the best for your needs.

Be careful, you might start spending more time on your bike than working on your 914.

Posted by: nocones Jul 29 2006, 11:10 PM

Oh, and please, please don't buy the knockoff on ebay.
Stick with the major brands. Parts failures on a bike are much worse then in a car.

Posted by: Flat VW Jul 29 2006, 11:15 PM

Save your own life, skip the motorcycle.

These little cars we like are plenty HARRY enough. Ask how I know...

John

P.S. How does one 'lay down' a motorcycle without getting torn up?
Dropping it, I understand.

P.P.S. I was in a motorcycle accident with a Chevy Blazer at fifteen years old.
My recent wreck in the teener that damn near killed me was a 'piece of cake' compared to my injuries on the motorcycle (cerebral hemorrage).

P.P.P.S. All of the above meant with the best of intentions towards you.

Posted by: Flat VW Jul 29 2006, 11:16 PM

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Posted by: orange914 Jul 29 2006, 11:56 PM

here ya go!! this baby wont tempt your need for speed

Posted by: jonwatts Jul 29 2006, 11:58 PM

Andyrew, how much driving do you do from work to home to school or whatever?

Posted by: orange914 Jul 30 2006, 12:01 AM

pic of the monster

Posted by: Andyrew Jul 30 2006, 02:24 AM

Went to a movie and I got the reply's I wanted.

My work is 4 mins away from me, my school is 10 mins away, but it has bad traffic. Work I take all backroads.

I am not allowed to get another car... Basically parents say sell it, or drive it. I am NOT SELLING my 914. And since I figure im a ways from making it perfectly streetable, I need something else.
My mother does not want any more cars than we have garage space for. For some reason she thinks that because we have a 4 car garage, means we can only have 4 cars... Even though we currently have 6 on our property (3 porsche's, moms mitsu, el camino, friends junker that will be towed soon) I have plenty of room behind my car to fit the bike.

To be honest, I know I will have a bike someday, I'd like to learn to ride one, I need that skill under my belt.

I know how dangerous it is to ride a bike.
And yes, I will invest is proper gear, Leathers, Jacket, Full face helmet that fits good (I have 2 open faces for autox, and dad has a full face, but its loose) gloves, and I will buy some decent driving shoes too.. (for the car morely... lol)

"Ride a motorcycle like everyone is trying to kill you"

I know I can get going a little quick in my car... but even though I have nothing in the car, and no cage, I feel 100x safer than riding a motor cycle. I will NOT do stunts in the bike, I do NOT want anything over 500cc's. I believe 250cc's should be plenty.

I read the specs on the ninja 250r.. 0-60 5.75, 1/4 14.xx @88 top speed "105" yet I've read that it will do 130.

That, my friends, is on par with just about all the sub 30k sports cars.. Simular to the 944 turbo (which is fin fast...)

MPG is a huge factor here, Also parking at my school parking lot is a freeking huge factor.. I have literally spent 30 mins finding a parking lot.

Kenny.. say no to the scooter.

I will definately take a MSF course. They have them at my school parking lot on weekends.

Brad.. Another 914 would be my first choice.. but reliability, space, and money is the factor here.

Posted by: turboman808 Jul 30 2006, 03:06 AM

I really want a bike myself. But I know I will get killed. The way I drive and the way I race bicycles I just don't have a sellf control to drive a bike safely on the road.

I took a cbr 600rr out for a spin a few weeks ago. It was alot of fun. Even comes in orange!!! But I just can't control myself

Posted by: hcdmueller Jul 30 2006, 03:32 AM

A couple people have mentioned it and I will reiterate. The gear you wear is the most important investment you can make. It doesn't have to be top of the line but you need to have full protection. I used to get out on the race track a lot and have wrecked many times at speeds from 30 to 85 MPH and the gear saved my butt many times. Never more than bruises and sore muscles.
I have hurt myself very badly several times. Those were always on the street when I was just riding around town in less than proper gear. Lots of road rash, torn muscles, and bad knees. That is why I moved back towards cars. Still have the bike though. Lets just say a 600 will get you in a lot of trouble. You are right for choosing something smaller.

Posted by: Jeroen Jul 30 2006, 04:32 AM

there's two kind of bikers...
those who've crashed, and those who still need to crash
nuf said

I like bikes, but I'll never ride or own one

Posted by: VegasRacer Jul 30 2006, 07:26 AM

Take the safe riding class.
Learn the skill.



Don't buy a bike.
They are much to dangerous.
Ask me how I know.

Posted by: bmunday Jul 30 2006, 07:39 AM

If you really need a bike, as you say you do. Get a dirt bike, and stay on the dirt. You will still far, but you take the car factor out of it... Listen to everything written here. All good advice, especially the advice on not getting a bike for the street. I worked in the industry for a number of years, and I talked with far to many people that put the bike down, and were lucky enough to live through it...

Be safe..

Posted by: joeav8tor Jul 30 2006, 07:48 AM

this gets 42 mpg...It is unfortunate that people suck at driving, and dont pay attention (especially with bikes)...in less than two days I am riding to the Sturgis motorcycle rally on this bike...it gets better out west with less congestion...not as many idiots trying to kill you.
good luck on your quest
Joe


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Posted by: URY914 Jul 30 2006, 08:11 AM

Best of both worlds. OK maybe not the best...




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Posted by: HeloMech Jul 30 2006, 10:08 AM

Riding a bike is what you make it. I've been riding dirt and street since I was about 7 years old (almost 37 now). You're the one who has to control the throttle and attitude. I live here at the beach in SoCal and EVERY day I see guys on their bikes with tanktops, shorts and flipflops. Yesterday my GF saw a guy with no shoes on at all. That's just Darwin looking for a place to tickle his fancy. It's been hot as hell here this past few weeks. When you walk out the door and it's sticky humid and hot.. you're already sweating.. then you pull on your helmet, zip up that jacket, etc... it's not fun. If you make it out to the freeway and no traffic, it feels nice. If it's about 100 degrees? no help. Like riding with a hair dryer in your face.

People in cars will ALWAYS amaze you at just how oblivious they are to anything on the outside of their cars. Riding daily you will have someone pull out of a driveway into your lane, switch into your lane, left turns in front of you, people right next to you merge right where you already are... it's just plain crazy.

Now then... that said. I love my bike. I love riding it. I don't stunt it but I do tend to ride fast. I split lanes at lights to get out of the pack of idiots. I always have helmet and armored jacket, gloves and icon riding boots. Never in shorts. Typically I'm in jeans or bdu's. There are "armored" jeans with multi layers and kevlar in between them which are fairly cheap. Yeah.. it's hot... sweat washes off, road rash doesn't. Not to mention when that ER Dr. is scrubbing it out with a brush...

My 2002 CBR954rr





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Posted by: GeorgeRud Jul 30 2006, 10:13 AM

If you live in an area with nice weather year round and only have a 4-10 minute commute, have you considered a mountain bicycle? The mileage is astronomical and the aerobic workout will make you a fitter person.

Too many of my friends are Emergency room Docs, they're not called Donor Bikes for nothing. Your body parts come in in perfect shape except you're dead.
Stick with the car or a bicycle, too many idiots on the road behind SUVs.

Posted by: lapuwali Jul 30 2006, 11:17 AM

Many of whom don't see bicycles on the road any better than they do motorcycles...Not every place has a bike path, and bike lanes are pretty widely ignored by those same people who are a danger to the typical motorcyclist. At least with a motor underneath you, you have some chance of staying out of their way. I deliberately don't ride a bicycle on my morning commute because I was nearly killed twice in just two weeks trying to do just that.

Posted by: rdauenhauer Jul 30 2006, 11:18 AM

What a bunch of pussys.
I agree with HeloMech.

I ride most days. Yes. "Cage" drives are moronic oblivious fools that
are more likley to run you over while talking on thier cell phones, eating, smoking,
reading, nose picking ect. than care.

I never understood the "I know I would kill myself " mentaility.
You saying simply you have no self control...? What a bunch of crap. How do you
control yourself in a teener? the reality is more likley you dont have the skill or your just down right scared of two wheels.

My solution to innatentive auto drivers is MANDATE a graduated licensing program that starts ALL drivers on two wheels BEFORE ever allowing them to get a licence to drive a car.

Once folks have had to dodge a car or two on a bike suddenly they have a new appreciation for those of us who still choose to ride.

Back to the topic. 75mph is danm hard to accomplish on any thing bigger than a moped (and is BS in the ebay add). Weight is the biggest factor. A dual purpose bike IS your best choice. Its light. Narrow. and economical.
Id go for one of the recent Motard bikes but you are gonna spend more than 1500 unless your really lucky.

Pussys.

Posted by: HeloMech Jul 30 2006, 11:44 AM

but how do you REALLY feel about it?

Posted by: ws91420 Jul 30 2006, 12:32 PM

I will give you three pieces of advice two from me and one given to me by my uncle when I was expressing the interest to ride.
MY advice take the MSF course before you buy anything and make sure you get something that has enough umpf that you dont feel like you are going to get run over for going too slow.

My uncles The moment that you feel too confident or cocky riding any type of bike is the moment that it will put you down.

Posted by: Andyrew Jul 30 2006, 12:33 PM

Thank you all you nay sayers.. I have thought about this for a very long time thank you...

rich its "drive like everyone wants to kill you.."

I WILL get protective gear.

I WILL take the training course, As many times as it takes till I am comfortable.

I DO know the risks involved. So stop telling me.


I think James has a good comment fromt the other thread that I would like to insert here,

NOW...

Can someone tell me all the bikes that have 250cc or less than 400cc? A 500cc bike is too fast for my intent.

Currently I want a Ninja 250R.

Does bright colors for a bike make a big difference as far as being seen? I think I want to paint the bike phoenix red. (after its got scratched and dinged a few times)

Posted by: Dr. Roger Jul 30 2006, 12:48 PM

when i was 15 i got a honda 90 for purely in town commuting to school and work.

i think mine got about 90 to 100 mpg and i'd drive it everywhere.

back then the speed limit was 70 on the freeways so it never saw the freeway but back roads got me all over cali.... seriously.

too many stories to remember but all good fun.


driving a 914 takes concentration but a street bike takes absolute concentration just watching out for that moth** *ucking, cell phone using, driver who is about to try killing you "by mistake". seriously.

i go back and forth between street bikes and dirt. my last street bike phase lasted 2 years. in those 2 years i had 3 close calls and ALL were by distracted drivers. sold the street and went back to dirt. we'll see how long this lasts....

street bikes are a lot of fun. =-) even a 90cc!

everyone needs to draw a line for themselves. i don't sky dive.... bungee jumping however...

Posted by: HeloMech Jul 30 2006, 12:51 PM

I've never met you, nor do I know how tall you are. The ninja 250 is a VERY small bike. The Ninja 500 is still small, just not AS small. The ninja 500 has a more relaxed seating position than the 250 does. My girlfriend had a 250 ninja (she's 4'11"). She moved up to the 500... she just sold that 500 for $3k because it was too tall, she wanted the 2006 250 again.

I know alot of people are doubting the 600+ size. However, if you can find a used SV650, that's a GREAT bike to learn on. Also, it's got ALOT of aftermarket add-ons that you can grow with if you chose. It doesn't come with alot of the full plastics that will break when you drop it... and you will drop it... in a parking lot, your garage, whatever. it's going over. lol. They make full fairing kits for it (or the SV650S) I think comes stock with plastics.

The 250 and 500.. I don't think either of them will physically do 130mph. On paper maybe.. not actual. The sv650 will do about that, maybe push 140 indicated. My bike is said to do 172mph... on paper. Do I go that fast? no.

The sv650 will have the low end to get you out of situations with bad cage drivers. You really should go to www.crashclub.net and ask around over there. I bet you will get about 80% suggesting the sv650 as a great bike to start on.

Your choice, your wrist (throttle). You can ride something like my 954rr... just because it WILL do 75mph in first gear.. doesn't mean you HAVE to!

Posted by: Brando Jul 30 2006, 12:55 PM

Look into a Buell! A friend of mine just got one. Appearantly most jap bikes are considered "sporty" and will cost alot more to insure. A Harley and Buell are considered touring/cruising and cost less to insure.

Posted by: HeloMech Jul 30 2006, 12:56 PM

One more thing... the absolute MOST important thing I've seen here is that you wear the proper gear. MSF is great, will teach you alot of breaking and maneuvering, panic stops, etc. First and foremost.. I'd get GEAR in your brain. That certificate is great.. but if some cager takes you out while you're wearing shorts... you're not gonna have an ass to hold up the pants with the pocket to carry the wallet where you put the certificate and forgot everything they taught you the first time you pulled out onto the street. lol.

Also... if you didn't know this... when you take the MSF course, in CA, you're not required to do that silly-assed driving test in the parking lot at the DMV! Stupid circle, cones, feet up... blah. lol.

Posted by: HeloMech Jul 30 2006, 12:58 PM

OMG!!! if you consider a BLahuell... do NOT go to crashclub! lol.

harleyuell... blah.. leaking rattly, underpowered blehc...

gimme some listerine.. gotta get that taste outta my mouth.

Posted by: lapuwali Jul 30 2006, 01:03 PM

No, not really. Just assume you're invisible and work with that.

I had a 250 Ninjette, and they're OK, but they aren't that great. Don't assume the difference between 250cc and 500cc means a 500 will have 2x the power. The GS500E I suggested earlier is SLOW. It's a old air-cooled two-valve design that maybe makes 40hp. The 250 Ninja is a water-cooled four-valver, and makes about 30hp bone stock, and can very easily be tuned to make 50hp. One big problem in NoCal with finding a 250 Ninja is the AFM (NoCal bike racing club) has a specific class for 250 Ninjas, so most of the used Ninjettes have been thrashed to death. My 250 Ninja was a fully sorted racing bike, and would absolutely smoke a GS500, and would seriously worry an EX500 rider.

Noboby serious races a GS500, they're meant to be starter bikes. No bodywork, cheap parts, cheap to buy used. Many of them you'll find have low miles, being sold by someone who decided riding bikes wasn't for them. A dual-purpose bike is also a good choice for a starter bike, in that they're designed to be crashed with little to no damage. They're light, and can flick around in traffic nicely. The only trouble is, they're pretty much all singles, which are great for giving you a vibro-massage at freeway speeds, and pretty much terrible for any kind of distance. I say this as the previous owner of several single-cylinder'd bikes, including a couple that were kick-to-go only (the true mark of the masochist).

I started on a Honda 200 Reflex, a 200cc single (kick only) that was styled like a dirt bike, but was really a street bike. It would just BARELY go 65mph if you lay flat on the tank and waited a good long while for it to accelerate to that speed. Oh, and drum brakes at both ends.

I've known people who started out on fearsome 1100cc monsters. It's all in the right wrist. You only go as fast as you want, just like your V8.

Posted by: JPB Jul 30 2006, 01:08 PM

Vespa makes a good scouter but you need to wear body armour with the crazy drivers out there and it runs at 100mpg.

If they make fun of you, ride wasted!

Posted by: Andyrew Jul 30 2006, 01:11 PM

I am 6' tall. My boss is 6'3 and has a hyabusa, but he got a 250R for his wife, He has ridden it I believe without any trouble and recommended it for me...

My other problem with getting a bigger engine bike is cost.

I need to buy a mechanically perfect bike for 1500 or less

Posted by: JPB Jul 30 2006, 01:13 PM

Hey I know that design. Isen't that a crack rocket? Ya know, for crack heads. LOL

Just kiding, but what disfunctional sacraligious schmit have you tramatized me with here! AAHHHHHhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LOL

Posted by: Andyrew Jul 30 2006, 01:16 PM

James, your putting out some very good info.. Thank you!

Ok, I understand that cc's dont neccisarily mean hp.. (think about the massive trans am engines they used in 75+... lol)

lets say I want under 45hp.. preferably under 40hp.. I can add hp later... or step up to a faster bike in a year if I desire so.

Posted by: JPB Jul 30 2006, 01:17 PM

Ya I understand. They usually have some good deals in the want adds and used bike traders also. You might talk your boss into upgrading and then this one can be yours.

Bikers are always shopping for a bigger bike, believe me.

Posted by: Andyrew Jul 30 2006, 01:27 PM

My boss has the fastest bike made... his WIFE has the 250r, it has 170miles on it... she doesnt ride it... I'd like to see him sell it to me... because I know what condition its in..

Andrew

Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Jul 30 2006, 01:28 PM

This has served me well since '92........I'd like to think of it as the 914 of bikes, slower than most, but you become a better rider(or driver) compensating for its few shortcomings. The bike...........Suzuki GS500. For further info, check out GStwin.com.

Posted by: Heeltoe914 Jul 30 2006, 01:57 PM

99 or 2000 Honda F4 or F4i great used bike. 600cc is way big enought. I have a 750 and a V-Twin. take the class MSF. and use your head. Most victims are in your age groupe.
I never ride in the right lane.
I slow or ride to the right in intersection.
Two fingers always on the brake.
Kevlar jeans and leather jacket. Buy the best helmet no Question on that.
Never cut turns tight, look into it before turning.
have a great ride.

Posted by: Andyrew Jul 30 2006, 02:00 PM

Good tips. Keep them coming.

Posted by: Dr. Roger Jul 30 2006, 02:05 PM

i never met a suzuki i didn't like. i rode 2. a GS550 and my old 2 stroke RS175Z.

Prices:Suzuki GS500

Model Year-Average mileage

Low Retail Value
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High Retail Value
Kelly Blue Book Value


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2455
3225
3515
3585 kbb


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1890
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2710
2910 kbb


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1755
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1730
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1420
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1250
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1105
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Low Retail Value low retail unit may have extensive wear and tear. Body parts may have dents and blemishes. The buyer can expect to invest in cosmetic and/or mechanical work. This vehicle should be in safe running order. Low retail vehicles usually are not found on dealer lots

Average Retail Value An average retail unit should be clean without obvious defects. All rubber and cables should be in good condition. The paint should match and have a good finish. All lights and switches should work properly. The mileage should be within or slightly higher than the average range. This unit should also pass any emission inspection.

High Retail Value A high retail unit should look like new. All equipment should function properly. The paint should match and have a high gloss. Tires should appear new and cables should be clean with minimal wear. Engine should start quickly and run smoothly. There should be no leaks and the mileage should be at or below an acceptable range for the model year. Units in excellent or prime condition may increase value 10%-15%.

Posted by: Mueller Jul 30 2006, 02:07 PM

I'm a huge fan of the dual-purpose bikes, you normally sit up in a taller postion than "cruisers" and especially "sport" bikes, with the crappy roads we have I'd much rather hit a pothole with a dual-purpose bike than a heavier bike.

You can trick out the dual-purpose bikes and install "sticky" rubber which will make the bike more fun on the street....

Posted by: Andyrew Jul 30 2006, 02:26 PM

dual purpose bikes look like crap...

I want the go fast look, without the go fast price, or go fastness...

Posted by: Mueller Jul 30 2006, 02:35 PM

poser =

1 : to assume a posture or attitude usually for artistic purposes
2 : to affect an attitude or character usually to deceive or impress

have you checked with your insurance company???

bikes with fairings or extra plastic junk bolted on will sometimes have a higher insurance rate (more stuff to break if you simply just drop it in your garage)

Posted by: RoadGlue Jul 30 2006, 02:56 PM

Anybody motorcycle rider will be able to tell if you're on a fast bike or not, even if you think the bike looks fast. Who are you trying to impress exactly?

Ninja 250's don't look fast to me, and at 6' you would likely feel cramped. You're also going to mentally out grow the 250 in a very short matter of time. I have three friends that have owned Ninja 250s as their first bike, and they all grew bored with the bike in a matter of months.

Buy something that you'll grow into. 70 HP shouldn't scare you. You want power and maneuvering ability. Those two things can get you into trouble, but they'll also save your life if you know how to use 'em.

I got into more trouble on my old Honda CM400E than I do with my current '04 Triumph 955i Daytona. Why? Because the Honda didn't want to turn or stop, I didn't know how to ride, and I was always riding the bike at its limits (which wasn't hard to do).

Someone else recommended the SV650, and I too would have to give it my thumbs-up for a great first bike. It looks fast, it's quick, stops and handles good, it's pretty light and you won't get bored in a matter of months. At 6' you'll fit nicely too.

That's probably out of your price range though. *sigh*

Make sure you buy a bike that's running good today, and not something that's running "pretty good, but just needs a tune up." You want to ride, and not spend your first months tweaking with junk carbs, etc.

I can't add much about the safety aspects of riding. I've always been a risk taker, and I think I get more out of life because of it. I love living, and have loved ones that would be devastated if anything were to happen to me. I still feel though that taking seemingly unnecessary risks is just part of living life to its fullest.

Come on, we're driving 914s. Compared to today's cars, we're driving death-traps. My death-trap always whispers in my ear, pushing me to drive a little faster than I know I should. I can't imagine what would happen if I were to fly off the road at normal highway speeds, or if I were to get t-boned by another car. If you want to stay safe, just sit in front of your computer all day.

To wrap up this rant, I think this has a lot to do about knowing yourself and your machine. I'm a pilot, motorcyclist and spirited driver, yet I could just as well die in my sleep tonight. I feel I have a pretty reasonable grasp on where my abilities stand, and I make it a point to move forward with my abilities in a slow, controlled pace.

Good luck and have fun! I love riding and you will too!

Posted by: anthony Jul 30 2006, 05:15 PM

The chicks at school that don't know bikes?

I had a Honda 90 that I drove before I got a driver's license. I almost killed myself once but got lucky. Good luck Andrew.

Here's a radical idea. For such a short commute, how about an electric scooter? With that you can impress the green loving hippy chicks at school.

Posted by: Cloudbuster Jul 30 2006, 05:40 PM

Slightly different take...

'Know your enemy' has two parts:
1) Everybody is trying to kill you -- mindset
2) Learn traffic patterns -- tactics

Some days when I'm feeling vulnerable I think to myself "Maybe I'll just become a weekend joy rider." But the fact is, weekend joy rides may be more dangerous than daily commutes. A few years ago a distubing trend arose where the majority of accidents where an apparently 'safe' demographic of riders -- weekend re-entry riders -- empty nesters getting back into motorcycling. Increased fatailities were chalked up to a combination of unfamiliarity with territory (where are the poorly marked, off-camber, decreasing radius turns), lack of practice, and inattentiveness.

I'm a weekday rider. I drive the exact same 20 miles a day each way. This includes 3-5 miles of lanesplitting per day. I've learned the territory. I learned the traffic patterns. I feel disconnected from my motorcycle even after 3 days of non-riding.

I am afraid to put the bike riding on long-term hiatus because my skills will deteriorate, and that lack of practice would get me in trouble for next time out.

Posted by: alpha434 Jul 30 2006, 05:41 PM

Dibs on the suzuki. I like the old-school look.

And I think less faschia looks way faster than some bulging fiberglass hulk.

Does anyone have one of those suzukis to sell? My Puegot wants company.

Posted by: Dr Evil Jul 30 2006, 06:34 PM

Andy,
I do not wish to "give advice" as I do my own thing and, as anyone would, I opperate within my own comfort zone.

1) I never recommend that anyone not feeling up to owning a bike, for what ever reason, get one. Calling someone a pussy and taunting them may only lead to their quicker demise and is juvenile IMHO.

2) Since you feel up to the task marinate with this: Since I have been riding (since I was 18 in '94) I have been hit 3 times, had the bike hit while parked 2 times, and layed a bike down 2 times. I do not drive out of my skill level anymore, but I did not take a safety class originally. My first day of owning a bike I hit the side of a Winnebago that decided to make a U-turn form the right lane infront of me (left lane). I woke up in the hospital. Many of my accidents happened in the first 6mo of ownership which is the statistically highest time for things to go wrong. I have more accidents than most folks, and not a single one (other than one of the laying it down on my own) was my fault. # of miles traveled = increase in probability of accidents. I have MANY miles on me as I commonly would travel 500mi one way on a weekend and lived 50mi from work for a while.

3) Some types to consider, I think that the advice here that has been repeated over and over regarding certain models is fair. You will get board of a 250 quick, but it still may be a better fit for now. It is not like you are gonna have to divorce your bike when you get tired of it I disagree with the Buell recommendation and the concept that the insurance will be less. Harlys have some of the highest insureance due to the ease of steeling and selling parts. Buell ads a sport bike aspect to this. No financially good. my first bike was an 82 Honda Magna and it was perfect. It did have 750cc, but it was not a race bike at all. Very dependable and tough. Of course I LOVE BMWs! Very good bikes
When you take the MSF course they will supply you with a rebel or a ninja or some other 250 that you can thrash. Do this first and gather some more data for you to make your decision.

Be safe, let no one taunt you as responding to taunts leads to the dark side and potentially an early death. You seem to have the right mentality to learn the skills you will require.

Posted by: Vacca Rabite Jul 30 2006, 07:18 PM

On the other side of things....

Honda Rukus. ~100mpg. Top spped ~35. If you only have a few miles between work, school and home, it might be perfect.

I thought about getting one when I lived in Baltimore. But I figured it would just get stolen. Rode my mtn. bike instead.

Zach

Posted by: Scott Carlberg Jul 31 2006, 12:13 AM

Andrew,
of the 8 guys I used to ride with, I *think* 5 of us started out with EX 500's.
Nice little start-up bikes.

B:
sorry about your friends. IT can happen at ANYtime, ANYplace.

Posted by: Dougs914 Jul 31 2006, 02:48 PM

Hi if i was you i go for the the Honda cb400s
hondamatic they are very good stater bikes
being a automatic 2 speed 1 high 1 low
they were made in the 70 and 80 look one
up on ebay.

Posted by: TonyAKAVW Jul 31 2006, 02:57 PM

I put this in the thread in the sandbox section...

Aprilia SR50. Its a scooter, gets 120 miles per gallon due to its direct injection engine.

Looks cool too. Cost about $3000. There are many other scooters that are cheaper.


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Posted by: WRX914 Jul 31 2006, 03:55 PM

Best advise I can give a novice streetbiker is...

Get a dirtbike first, get used to the bike sliding and reacting to unforseen obstacles. Once you feel comfortable in the dirt then think about buying a streetbike. I have owned bikes for 25 years, the first three streetbikes said hello to the pavement. Then I began to race dirtbikes nationally, since then I bought a 1200cc Buell and a 1450cc Harley both of my new bikes have kept the shiney side up. Dirtbikes are the key to riding your bike (for me atleast) . IF you ever get in a hairy situation, you will be familiar with sliding and this will increase your chances of getting by. BTW when I ride with Harley guys, they can not believe the stuff I pull off with my Harley. When we get to our destination they are telling me they almost shit thier pants at any given intersection where some car jetted out in front of me or something... Half of the time I don't even know what they are talking about. Luckily overcoming unforseen obstacles has become second nature on a bike for me. But I am not untouchable. Look as far down the road as you can.

Good Luck

Keith

Posted by: Coy Jul 31 2006, 05:04 PM

My first bike was a Suzuki 370 enduro and I gotta say that was the most fun I ever had on two wheels. That was 25 years and 7 streetbikes ago. I would strongly suggest enduro for a beginner, but it sounds like you really want a street bike. Old BMW boxer twins are cool like 914s are cool. They aren't super fast, but they'll keep up with traffic, and they look pretty good going slow. You might pick one up for your price range, and it'll be dependable, but it'll look rough. That's when half the fun starts really; making it your own bike. K bikes are better, but they aren't typically $1500. Any 80s-90s Jap bike can be a dependable machine, and you can kill yourself on a moped, so I wouldn't go too small as much as I wouldn't go to big.

Watch for old people and cell phones!

Good luck to you, whatever you decide!


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Posted by: Headrage Jul 31 2006, 05:19 PM

I know you've heard all of the safety comments and I totally agree with all of them. I got my first bike in 1968 and have had one continuously until 1996 when I sold my last one.

The only advice I can give is (and I know you don't like the idea) start with an enduro. They are light and nimble, handle pretty well and because of the lighter weight, you can stay under 400cc's and have plenty of power to get out of trouble.

Posted by: Dr Evil Jul 31 2006, 06:31 PM

Andy,
Arent you under 18 and in CA? Unless things have changed since last year you will not be able to get a licence until you are 18 and you will have to take the 3 day or night course offered through 1800 CC RIDER. If you get a moped or scooter (not sure about the scooter) you will only need the learners permit ever. But, at 16 you would only be able to get a permit anyway. With a permit you are relegated to surface streets, daylight hours, and no passengers. Sorry if you already know this, just thought that I would share

Posted by: Andyrew Jul 31 2006, 06:54 PM

Evil,

Im 19, turning 20 in nov. I've owned my car since I was 15... maybe thats what your thinking (kids these days... they grow up so fast huh?)

hehe

Posted by: Andyrew Jul 31 2006, 07:04 PM

Also, Evil, thank you very much for the tips and advice above, it was very helpful and informative, I apreciate it very much!


Also, Im sorry, but I rather dont care for the riding position or the look of a euro bike. It just doesnt appeal to me. Part of me getting a sport bike is because riding a sport bike is a want that i've been hiding for 4 years now.. I knew they were unsafe, but I've held off on my "hidden" passion for these bikes long enough.. Dirt is not my thing. But I may use some friends bikes and learn a little that way.

Thank you all for the suggestions. Keep them coming, Particularly on learning and such.. I know what kind of bike im looking for and now im just waiting for a killer deal to pop up.

Posted by: i love porsche Jul 31 2006, 09:05 PM

i just finally got a dirtbike this year, but i really want a dual sport, (to each his own) but if youve never ridden a bike they can be tricky, i have a few friends that have bikes and theyve high sided without trying to show off or anything, just from being an amateur rider, just be careful and know your limits

heres my baby


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Posted by: Dr Evil Jul 31 2006, 09:23 PM

Dang, your right. I was thinking that time stood still or something

Posted by: Dr Evil Jul 31 2006, 09:26 PM

Oh and the euro bike comment doesnt really apply to the one I am selling right now



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Posted by: Andyrew Jul 31 2006, 10:31 PM

As a referance point, how much are you selling your bike? Shipping it here would kill the deal.. and im sure it being a bmw would make it slightly more than I want to buy.

Posted by: Andyrew Jul 31 2006, 10:32 PM

BTW.. I like THAT look... All the pannels on it, full bike/street bike look...

Posted by: Dr Evil Jul 31 2006, 10:33 PM

I am trying to get $3500 for it. It was in San Diego, but Craig is hooking me up by selling it for me from OR. He has saved me $400 so far as the shipping to this coast would have been $800+.

Posted by: Dr Evil Jul 31 2006, 10:35 PM

Me too, it is 100% customized with the K1100RS fairing package. Originally it looked a bit different as it is an 87 K75S. 750cc, sideways 3cyl engine, with FI and it is built like a tank. If I had room I would kkep it, but I got a 96 K1100RS that looks the same and can not ride both.

Posted by: RoadGlue Jul 31 2006, 10:44 PM

Sidways 3-banger? Sidways which way? I love BMWs.

I love my Triple British bike too though. Gobs of torque with really good high-end performace too. The best of both worlds. 148 hp at the crank makes the world get blurry in a hurry when desired. In fact, it's made me stop caring about making the 914 *fast*, because it won't ever be as fast as the bike. Well, not with my pocket book.

Here she is:

Posted by: Andyrew Jul 31 2006, 10:49 PM

LOL randy.. I have the opposite feeling about the bike...

"it wont ever be as fast as my 914... so I'll just get a slow MPG one, and enjoy it!"

My boss has a hyabusa.. and I want to terrorize him with my v8 when the 550hp 302 goes in... mu haha

Mike, Is that a standard thing to do? I think the ferrings are a really nice thing apearance wise to the bike, was it hard? Not like with my skills I cant do it.. but butchering a bike is one thing... butchering a 914 that I've already butchered is another.

Posted by: Dr Evil Jul 31 2006, 11:00 PM

BMW is not your normal bike. The parts cost would kill many if you did not know where to get good used. Trying to do the same thing to a jap bike would be a bitch.

The 3 all face to the left inline front to back.

Truely, my bikes have ALWAYS been the most reliable transportation that I have owned. They really are the modern equivelent of the horse to the cowboy. Like a friggen family member.

Posted by: RoadGlue Jul 31 2006, 11:02 PM

The bussa will likely still be faster! How do you expect to keep your tired from spinning with 500 ponnies? Not giving you a hard time, but am really just curious.

Posted by: RoadGlue Jul 31 2006, 11:06 PM

BMWs and most European bikes have charm/character/soul that the Japanese bikes lack. That's partly why I decided Triumph over Honda/Kawasaki/Yamaha/Suzuki. Hey, that's the same reason I drive a 914 and not a Honda car. They're wonderful machines, but perhaps they're just too refined for my taste.

What a nerdy cool engine config on the BMW. Neat!

Posted by: Scott Carlberg Jul 31 2006, 11:17 PM

Re: the Scooter idea....

Andrew,
go to a Motorcycle recycling yard, you will see Row, after Row, after Row, after (get the idea?) of Scooters.

Posted by: carreraguy Jul 31 2006, 11:27 PM

Andrew:
My son just bought a 2000 Ducati Monster 900ie (pic) and is planning on selling his 1992 Yamaha FZR600. Let me know if you are interested in the FZR - not sure what he is planning on asking.
Later,


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Posted by: Cloudbuster Jul 31 2006, 11:44 PM

Um, no offense, but that K75 has about as a much soul, excitement and handling as a roto-tiller with all the blades broken off of it.

Triumph triples do sound wicked.

A Honda V-4 with gear-drive cams at 7K rpm? Music.

The FZR sounds worth looking into.

Posted by: Dr Evil Jul 31 2006, 11:57 PM

Mark, dont go bashing my K75. I said it is a tank, in many ways

I had a 82 (V45) Honda Magna, and a 94 Magna. I found the 82 to be unstoppable. I like Hondas, too.

Kawasuckies are for losers, though!


Just kidding

Posted by: Andyrew Aug 1 2006, 06:49 AM

Mike one of the reasons I want a sport bike is to rev to 15k... But I understand that tq helps to get you out of scary situations.

Tom, The yamaha is a great looking bike! But at 91hp... thats too much for me.

Randy... Have you seen the pics of my car? 285 35 18's on the back for street rubber. 23x 10.5 goodyear slicks for the track.

Posted by: Cloudbuster Aug 1 2006, 09:41 AM

Andrew,

You want a bike that screams. The only way you'll get that howl is a Japanese inline 4. The smallest displacement on those is 400cc, and in the US, those tend to be fairly rare.

I can only think of two near-15K rpm screamers near your $1500 budget -- a http://adcache.cycletrader.com/5/6/4/83574264.htm and a http://adcache.cycletrader.com/5/4/3/80551743.htm

Maybe a http://adcache.cycletrader.com/5/3/1/85061131.htm

It seems you may be a little too focused on a physical limit on power. I'm not saying that power isn't addictive, and doesn't invite trouble, but there are plenty of other stupid things that can be done on a motorcyle in traffic that have little to do with excess power.

The goal is to exercise just enough prudence to keep you within safety margins for those situations that novices come across that remove them from the riding public in grisly ways.

I have a 600cc single streetbike. It barely does 70 mph on the highway. It may keep me from going too fast and driving into trouble, but it won't keep trouble from running me over from behind.

Posted by: sk8kat1 Aug 1 2006, 10:14 AM

I say suzuki gs500E bullet proof bike for cheap!!

or.......


[size=7]VESPA!!!!! stylish and great gas milage (60- 80 depending on model) cheap parts easy to work on and 2 stroke baby!

Posted by: sk8kat1 Aug 1 2006, 10:18 AM

VESPA!!!


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Posted by: WRX914 Aug 1 2006, 10:19 AM

look for an old RZ350 or 400. If ya think ya got balls, get the RZ500. LOTS of fun, cheap and unique.

http://www.mcreports.com/Pages/Indivbikes/Yamaha/RZ350.html

Posted by: sk8kat1 Aug 1 2006, 10:22 AM

oooo yea rz350's are bad ass!!!


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Posted by: mudfoot76 Aug 1 2006, 11:27 AM

I just took the MSF 3 day course this past weekend. I had never, ever, been on a bike before, but thought it looked like fun and I wanted to learn. We were on Suzuki GZ250, which look like harley but only 250cc engine. I am 6'0" and a little over 200#, and this bike did not accelerate very well with me on it, but it "fit" me nicely.

At the end of the weekend, after I had passed the riding skills test (w00t!), I asked the instructors about what to look for in a first bike. Both said look to the Japanese brands, 500-750cc, and to pay particular attention to how it "fits" you. You apparently can make some adjustments to the handlebar position, and raise/lower depending on your leg length, but since each bike is a little different they emphasized the importance of finding the one that fits best. Relaxed riding position, not having to stretch for the ground or lean to one side when at stop lights, etc. Having the larger engine will make it more useful to you for a longer period of time as you develop your skills.

They also said that as a general rule, the sport-type motorcycles are more expensive to insure (at least in Indiana, YMMV). A Ninja 250 is more expensive to insure than the GZ250. I don't really have anything to compare their advice against b/c I've never tried to insure either.

Taking the MSF course certainly gave me a better appreciation for riding and dealing with the "cages". I rather like the previous idea of making all new drivers start on motorcycles in order to develop a good sense of respect for the rules of the roads (and Darwin will select out those that don't learn).

I'd like to learn more, but all the classes beyond the beginner level require you to own your own bike. I do like the looks of the SV650 (and 650S), but I'll just stick to my teener for now

Posted by: Brando Aug 1 2006, 12:08 PM

Andyrew, (since my suggestions were shot down by nay-sayers)
I was originally looking at getting a motorcycle in 2002. My mind was changed when I was driving my dad's 911T on the highway and a driver in a lexus ran me into a center divider at about 80mph. I was in the left lane, he was in the right. If people can't "see" you in a car, how can they see you on a bike? Imagine the same but on a motorcycle -- that's why I never bought one, and probably won't for another year or two.

Posted by: RoadGlue Aug 1 2006, 12:14 PM

I don't understand. You're saying you won't buy a bike now because you are less visible, yet you probably will buy one in the next few years. Is Andrew supposed to wait with ya? I don't get it.

Posted by: Dr Evil Aug 1 2006, 01:59 PM

Brando plans on gaining 200# in the next few years so he will be more visible

My bike coupled with my experience helps me to out manouver idiots like that. Usually

Driving is dangerous, riding is dangerous, sex is dangerous, living causes death.

Posted by: nocones Aug 1 2006, 02:43 PM

Andyrew,

Take the cotton balls out of your ears and start actually listening to what some of the good folks are saying here.
Your fixation on a sport bike for the "look" and 15k redline is rediculous.
Get something that you can learn on first. A sport bike covered in plastic will be very expensive to repair after you dump it. And you will dump it.
If you really want super RPM, go find a Honda CB1. 400cc, no low end at all, but a fun top-end with stratospheric redline.
Be warned though, it's difficult to use high rpms in town.
Trying to get to that top end and enjoy that high-rpm rush is what will get you in trouble.

Get over your image, go get a dirt-bike with a street licence plate (ie. enduro) and LEARN.
Then sell it and get the bike you really want later.
I've had all sorts of bikes, standards, cruisers, sportbikes, enduros, supermotards, dirtbikes. And done all sorts of riding from commuting through SF to touring long distance to racing on the track. Want to know what's most fun to ride? The enduros, and supermotard (for the street). (Personally if I could only do one sort of riding it would be trail riding on my dirtbike)

I know you generally show reasonable judgment around here, and some self-restraint with your V8, but you really sound like you've got your head wedged someplace unpleasant this time...

Oh, and you will never, beat that Busa with your car. (unless your boss can't ride for shit.)

Okay, I'm done ranting now...

Posted by: RoadGlue Aug 1 2006, 03:23 PM

(mostly)

I don't think that you have to go out and get an enduro or street legal dirt bike to learn on. But with $1500 bucks in hand, you're going to get a pretty ratty old sportsbike that will have been dropped and abused. The money would be better spent on something that has some life left in it, but doesn't meet your 14k redline, sub 60 hp, sportbike requirements.

OK, I think I'm done.

Nocones, when are we going riding?

Posted by: nocones Aug 1 2006, 03:56 PM

I ride every day Randy my man.
I guess that would mean, ...just about anytime!

Posted by: Dr. Roger Aug 1 2006, 04:32 PM

No 914 can smoke a hyabusa unless it's AXing. =-)
Modded bikes would be stupid fast.

New bikes:

Top Speed
ZX-12R - 188.27mph (303km/h)
Hayabusa - 186.41mph (300km/h)

0-100km/h
ZX-12R - 2.6sec
Hayabusa - 2.6sec

0-140km/h
ZX-12R - 4.2sec
Hayabusa - 4.1sec

0-200km/h
ZX-12R - 7.0sec
Hayabusa - 7.3sec

1/4 mile
ZX-12R - 11.13 @ 140.14mph
Hayabusa - 11.43 @ 142.95mph

Horsepower/Torque
ZX-12R - 165bhp @ 9,800rpm / (130nm)95.8ft lbs @ 7,800rpm
Hayabusa- 156bhp @ 9,000rpm / (134nm)98.8ft lbs @ 6,800rpm

Posted by: pfierb Aug 1 2006, 06:25 PM

Try one of these you will sure stand out in the crowd.
www.ural.com

Posted by: Andyrew Aug 1 2006, 10:06 PM

Rogger.. 550hp and slicks.. I think I can break 11's. My car wont have as much tubeing as few big hp v8's out there, f/g lightweight junk going on it (asside from the flares those dont lower the weight) and removable everything non neccesary.. Im looking for 2150 race trim.

Posted by: Andyrew Aug 1 2006, 10:30 PM

Let me clear up some stuff.

I dont need 15krpms... I just dont want it to be a tq monster with no high rpm power.. over 10k is fine.. 7k is not... I dont like the harley big bore sound.. But I dont rather like the go cart motor sound either, I will be making custom exhausts for whatever bike I go with, and fiberglass ferrings for when I drop the bike for replacements. (kinda planning ahead.. a little)
10-15k is the rpm range I'd ask for..


Also my boss is 6'2 ish, and he says he likes riding his wifes 250 ninja more than he likes riding his hayabusa because its more nimble, handles better, and the riding position is better... (I dont see how.. because the ninja is a small bike)


Theres a lot of jumbled info up here.. So I'd like a colab from you guys really quick..

List all the bikes that fit into these requirements.

• 10-15k redline
• Under 75hp
• Gets over 50 mpg
• Fits 6'0 165lb guy
• has ferrings, Not a euro
• Can be attained for under 1500-2k (Deals will be out there, lets not include "deal" bikes)
• No more than 140 top speed
• Light/handling bike

Thanks guys!

Posted by: sj914 Aug 1 2006, 11:03 PM

Anydrew,

I agree with a lot of the other posts about going through the msf. A few weeks ago i took the msf course. The class quickly builds your confidence, but it's up to you to keep on practicing and honing your riding skills.

As far as the requirements for the bike your looking for. And from what I've been researching on my own, I would recommend the sv650. Of course it doesn't come stock with fairings, but you can probably make your own or find deals on some aftermarket ones.

Posted by: Cloudbuster Aug 1 2006, 11:13 PM

What are the priorities? Let me do that for you.

The first constraint has to be cost. Therefore, you will be looking for a dime-a-dozen bike that that was popular, oh, 10 years ago or so.

Second, you want RPM but no horsepower. The 12K RPM barrier was only broken in the last 3 or 4 years. Bikes that exceed 12K RPM are still $5K+. They're also in the 95+ hp bracket. So they're out. Also, how you can't get RPM without horsepower being a byproduct? I don't think bike makers listened to the fringe element in their rider surveys that said "Make it spin to the moon, but keep it gutless!"

Third, you want 'fairings'.

Building your own exhaust would seem to be a fruitless exercise, because the dime-a-dozen bike your looking for probably has huge dime-a-dozen aftermarket support. Ebay browsing has to be much easier than fabrication.

Also, why build your own exhaust if you don't want more power? If you want noise, simply get a full race system. It'll give you all the noise you want, suck the bottom end power right off the bike like nothing else, but still give you that kick in the pants feeling when cam finally catches up with the freer breathing exhaust.

Even though you have considered them 'too big' (I don't know why) the dime-a-dozen category in the USA is the 600 class sportbikes. One that has been made since '92 or so is the Yamaha FZR 600. It tops out at 75hp, probably gets 50mpg, has fairings, and gobs and gobs of extra stuff all over the internet (like handlebar risers and rearsets).

Read on...

http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mccompare/value600spex.html

http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mccompare/value600s.html

Posted by: Andyrew Aug 2 2006, 03:57 PM

Sooo... Theres only one bike that fits mine or your description?

Come on guys... I'd like a list of bikes here... There are 1000's of bikes on ebay, and i am not familiar with any of them.. (I do know that harley probably doesnt have any street bikes though.. lol)

I know its a lot to ask for... but just start listing bikes.. I want a list to search for the good deals.

FYI cloudbuster, my dad aint buying "only 75hp".. I would have to keep it under 6k for a while just to learn how to ride.. or throw on a msd rev limiter..

Posted by: HeloMech Aug 2 2006, 09:29 PM

http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/mcy/189397886.html

Posted by: Andyrew Aug 2 2006, 11:47 PM

Great find! but too far. (the OC is way to far from me..)

Let me BUMP this...

Posted by: Flat VW Jul 13 2007, 03:30 PM

Just a bump.

My friend of more than thirty years, Scott B. , was killed while riding his sport bike, thirty miles north of Flagstaff on the day of 7,7,07.

He had logged over 50,000 miles on his various motorcycles in the course of the last three years or so.

I am providing this note as strictly informational.

I am providing this note as an addition to the existing record here.

I am providing this note as a way to attempt to help deal with my loss of my friend.

John

P.S. I desire no condolence and no arguement with, or from, anyone here.

P.P.S. I wish all of you well.

P.P.P.S. Scott was fourty-seven years old.

Posted by: Scott Carlberg Jul 13 2007, 03:39 PM

Flat VW,
sorry for your loss.


there is a Road Racer referred to as Scotty B.

Any chance this is one and the same?

Posted by: Flat VW Jul 13 2007, 03:42 PM

Nope, Scott.

Just a regular guy and a fine pal.

John