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Posted by: Randal Aug 14 2006, 04:30 PM
If anyone has a 914 close by Costa Mesa and would be willing to let Neil at Performance Developments, 1643 Monrovia Ave. Costa Mesa, CA 92627
Phone. 949.646.7461, Fax. 949.646.7471, use it as a mule for measuring the harness placement for my trick 914 motor, I'd be eternally grateful.
I'll will pay for your time and gas to drop by Neil's for him to take the measurements. He said he only needed 10-15 minutes to get the key measurements.
These are the guys that do the Link Fuel Injection System.
As an added bonus who ever volunteers will get to see our dyno pull when we take the 2.4 engine down to Performance Solutions for the dial in.
Posted by: Brad Roberts Aug 14 2006, 04:35 PM
I can measure one for him and give him the numbers, if you cant get anyone to stop by. We have 5-6 members in Costa Mesa.
B
Posted by: Randal Aug 14 2006, 04:50 PM
I can measure one for him and give him the numbers, if you cant get anyone to stop by. We have 5-6 members in Costa Mesa.
B
Mike M. has already measured it and Neil has done a CAD drawing; however, seeing one will make a big difference to him; hence the request.
Hopefully someone from CM will see this posting and be willing to help.
Posted by: MattR Aug 14 2006, 05:03 PM
I'm near costa mesa, but I dont have a running 914 
You need a 914 with fuel injection, right?
Posted by: Randal Aug 14 2006, 05:14 PM
I'm near costa mesa, but I dont have a running 914
You need a 914 with fuel injection, right?
It doesn't have to be running and it doesn't have to be fuel injection.
FYI I'm going to be running TWM throttle bodies on CB intake manifolds, so Neil will be measuring the center points on the manifolds and then calculating the wire length to the injectors.
Posted by: MattR Aug 14 2006, 05:24 PM
Do you need the factory harness? Or a longblock? I think I have a harness in my car that I'm not using. I can drop it off tomorrow during my lunch break if you need it.
Posted by: Randal Aug 14 2006, 05:33 PM
Do you need the factory harness? Or a longblock? I think I have a harness in my car that I'm not using. I can drop it off tomorrow during my lunch break if you need it.
The factory harness doesn't help, Neil needs to see a car as his harness is very different from the factory.
But thanks so much for the offer.
Posted by: Joe Sharp Aug 14 2006, 07:04 PM
Randal: Just got off the phone with Niel and I can't help you right now. We have no 4's running here. Maybe I can get Thomas to go by later this week.
:PERMAGRIN: Joe
Posted by: Randal Aug 14 2006, 07:07 PM
Randal: Just got off the phone with Niel and I can't help you right now. We have no 4's running here. Maybe I can get Thomas to go by later this week.
:PERMAGRIN: Joe
Later this week would be great. Please let me know.
Randal
Posted by: Aaron Cox Aug 14 2006, 10:53 PM
i can be there friday.
AA
PS- carbed car if it matters....
Randal, feel free to call me. 951-833-5311
Posted by: Randal Aug 14 2006, 11:45 PM
i can be there friday.
AA
PS- carbed car if it matters....
Randal, feel free to call me. 951-833-5311
Thanks Aron for the Friday offer.
Joe is going to check with Thomas to see if he could stop by Neil's. If not I'll be pleased to accept your offer. I'll definately give you a call.
BTW I've never met Neil face to face but to tell the truth he is one of the most knowledgeable (engines/electronics) guys I have ever talked with on the phone. It is going to be interesting to see his electronics (Link injection) working on the Raby combination motor.
Posted by: So.Cal.914 Aug 15 2006, 12:01 AM
Is this the FI that CB Performance sells? I have been curious about that setup.
If this is the case please.......thread.......pics......needum.
Posted by: Mueller Aug 15 2006, 12:11 AM
Randal: Just got off the phone with Niel and I can't help you right now. We have no 4's running here. Maybe I can get Thomas to go by later this week.
:PERMAGRIN: Joe
I would think a /6 would work as long as he has the dimensions for a /4 as measured from the firewall and using the Centerline of the motor for 2 axis.
CHT
dizzy
intake location for the heads (you could use the location of the injectors on a stock FI motor, just add a few inches and you might need a height ref for the TPS)
Posted by: Aaron Cox Aug 15 2006, 03:04 PM
talked to randall today. im gonna be out that way on friday for him.
Posted by: Crazyhippy Aug 16 2006, 01:27 PM
Neil is incredible... Talked w/ him a few time getting my link up and running. I'm running a Link on a 2liter in my 914, and it is amazing... far more capable than this particular tuner is...
Oh yeah, it's installed on a wrx motor 
BJH
Posted by: Twystd1 Aug 16 2006, 01:33 PM
Randal,
I am on my way to Neil's shop to set up the time for Aaron and I to show up on Friday.
Will let ya know whasss up when I return.
Twystd1
Posted by: Aaron Cox Aug 16 2006, 03:18 PM
Randal,
I am on my way to Neil's shop to set up the time for Aaron and I to show up on Friday.
Will let ya know whasss up when I return.
Twystd1
thanks dad.
AA
Posted by: Aaron Cox Aug 16 2006, 04:05 PM
Randal,
Clayton just got back from neils shop. Said he was uber impressed with the shop and this guy's knowledge....
They brought up some things that need to be addressed.....
clayton and neal went over the drawing you gave neil,
Problem 1- doesnt show specific location of components in the engine bay and/or trunk, keep in mind, that the CDI box and the coil, can easily create RF interference with the ECU.... even using shielded cables for the ECU.
Clayton and Neil were kind of hoping that you wanted the ECU in the trunk, and the CDI box and Coil in the engine bay. (best case scenario)
therefore, clayton/myself want to 3way (
) ((phonecall)) with you this evening to try and communicate the requirements for neil.
(i work till 9, PM inbound with my number, and claytons. let me know what time works for you)
clayton saw tons of his wiring harnesses, really awesome stuff, and nice guy to boot.
NOTE: Neil just finished a 4 cam porsche carrera motor from a 356 carrera ....
Posted by: MattR Aug 16 2006, 07:23 PM
Thats not Neil that does Porsche 962 motors, is it?
Posted by: Randal Aug 16 2006, 07:40 PM
Randal,
Clayton just got back from neils shop. Said he was uber impressed with the shop and this guy's knowledge....
They brought up some things that need to be addressed.....
clayton and neal went over the drawing you gave neil,
Problem 1- doesnt show specific location of components in the engine bay and/or trunk, keep in mind, that the CDI box and the coil, can easily create RF interference with the ECU.... even using shielded cables for the ECU.
Clayton and Neil were kind of hoping that you wanted the ECU in the trunk, and the CDI box and Coil in the engine bay. (best case scenario)
therefore, clayton/myself want to 3way (
) ((phonecall)) with you this evening to try and communicate the requirements for neil.(i work till 9, PM inbound with my number, and claytons. let me know what time works for you)
clayton saw tons of his wiring harnesses, really awesome stuff, and nice guy to boot.
NOTE: Neil just finished a 4 cam porsche carrera motor from a 356 carrera ....
Neil is really an amazing guy. No question.
As to your questions:
Mike Mueller actually did the drawing.
His plan was for the ECU to be mounted between the seats or on the firewall between the seats. His measurement assumes either of those positions. This also helps with the RF issues as the ECU is in the drivers compartment.
I was planning on mounting the coil and battery (12lb) on a special fixture right where the existing batter tray resides. Maybe on top of the existing tray.
The CDI is to be mounted on the right side of trunk sheet metal. The middle is taken up with my Accusump system. I'll try to do a picture.
Thanks again for all your help.
Randal
Posted by: Randal Aug 16 2006, 07:49 PM
Randal,
Clayton just got back from neils shop. Said he was uber impressed with the shop and this guy's knowledge....
They brought up some things that need to be addressed.....
clayton and neal went over the drawing you gave neil,
Problem 1- doesnt show specific location of components in the engine bay and/or trunk, keep in mind, that the CDI box and the coil, can easily create RF interference with the ECU.... even using shielded cables for the ECU.
Clayton and Neil were kind of hoping that you wanted the ECU in the trunk, and the CDI box and Coil in the engine bay. (best case scenario)
therefore, clayton/myself want to 3way (
) ((phonecall)) with you this evening to try and communicate the requirements for neil.(i work till 9, PM inbound with my number, and claytons. let me know what time works for you)
clayton saw tons of his wiring harnesses, really awesome stuff, and nice guy to boot.
NOTE: Neil just finished a 4 cam porsche carrera motor from a 356 carrera ....
Neil is really an amazing guy. No question.
As to your questions:
Mike Mueller actually did the drawing.
His plan was for the ECU to be mounted between the seats or on the firewall between the seats. His measurement assumes either of those positions. This also helps with the RF issues as the ECU is in the drivers compartment.
I was planning on mounting the coil and battery (12lb) on a special fixture right where the existing batter tray resides. Maybe on top of the existing tray.
The CDI is to be mounted on the right side of trunk sheet metal. The middle is taken up with my Accusump system. I'll try to do a picture.
Thanks again for all your help.
Randal
Here is a picture: You can see where the Accusump bolts in to the middle section. Was thinking about putting the CDI on the right side.
Posted by: Aaron Cox Aug 16 2006, 10:48 PM
ok....
sounds like most bases are covered 
Posted by: Randal Aug 18 2006, 05:06 PM
ok....
sounds like most bases are covered
Thanks to Aaron and Clayton for stopping by Costa Mesa to work with Neil on my custom wire harness.
I'll be real interested in hearing opinions on Neil's operation. He sure has been helpful with the Link system... Can't wait to get my motor on his dyno.
It is really impressive that someone can ask and get immediate help on this club site. I owe you guys.
Randal
Posted by: Aaron Cox Aug 18 2006, 09:55 PM
dude... not a problem randal....
we went and did our thing, and musta spent 2+ hrs there....
totally great guy. 4 cam 356/550 motor etc...
thanks for the opportunity to give back to the club, and the chance to meet this guy
Posted by: McMark Aug 18 2006, 10:23 PM
Trunk looks great Randal. 
Much better than before.
Posted by: Twystd1 Aug 18 2006, 11:11 PM
Randall,
You owe me nothing.....
In fact I owe you............... For the oportunity to meet a great guy (Neil) and an opportunity to do some possible biz with him...
This is what makes this club so very Kewl.
This is a rare place.... Indeed.
Let me know if ya need anything else....
Clayton
PS...Thanks for the reach around Aaron.....
Posted by: Randal Aug 19 2006, 10:23 AM
dude... not a problem randal....
we went and did our thing, and musta spent 2+ hrs there....
totally great guy. 4 cam 356/550 motor etc...
thanks for the opportunity to give back to the club, and the chance to meet this guy
I have always heard that the 4 cam motors are extremely tough to get right.
Don't know anything about why that is, just that you have to be pretty good to work on those motors.
Wonder how many hours they get on them in race situations, i.e., like in Historics?
Posted by: Randal Aug 19 2006, 10:31 AM
Trunk looks great Randal.
Much better than before.I was doing a quickie on the trunk, but as usual it looked so bad that I stripped the entire trunk and had Brandon do the paint.
Another one of those two hour jobs that take a huge amount of time.
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