Just heard the news at the end of the Monza race...it will be Shu's last, and only 3 more for Ferrari. Ferrari has 190 victories in F1 and Shu has 90 of them...say what you will but this guy is something. I doubt any of his numbers will ever be equaled with the trends in F1 these days...a privlege to have seen him run. Jim Five world titles and maybe six...
Was sad to watch that this morning. The end of an era for sure. Im rooting for the 8th (umm, hes already won 7) and then Kimi to get his first next year...
SMD
It's kinda nice to have him retire alive, I have seen (in my life time) many F1
drivers retire the other.
Did MS ever do an autocross????
Shumi will be missed. I think that he he would make a great team lead...but it would sorta suck knowing that your boss could hop in the car and do better than you. Good Luck to him and it is nice to see him retire without getting the final checkout like his mentor.
exit schumacher? really?
finally!!!
did you see the tyre failure from Friday? the driver was going around on the just the side walls. No rubber inbetween and very little flex...and still going around faster than I could in a 914. Tyres have come a long way in 30 years.
I have been following Shumi for about 10 years, an Senna before him. I am not a rabid F1 fan, I just love watching these cars go.To bad the rules won't let these cars become all they can.
The Polish driver Kubica and Button will be the guys to watch. Kimi is going to Ferrari, but will see how long it takes for him to get used to the 07 car. Nxt year is promising to be just as exciting as the last half of this year has been.
I wonder if I could save enough money to go next year....
I for one will not miss him. Between him, Ferrari and the FIA doing everything they can to have him win his 8th just sickens me. The mass damper rule change 1/2 way through the season then a couple of questionable calls penalizing Alonso to give king Mikey a chance just ruins the F1 season. Too much politics in the F1 circus right now. Good buy Mikey and good luck, come and try WWF NASCAR for a change, see if you get the breaks across the pond.
Go Alonso go!!!
I have a feeling Michael will be back!...........
I had the honor to see him "carve up" the competition at the American Grand Prix in Indy last year...you know the one where Schumy & Barrichelo paraded around the track because of the tire debacle! What an F1 race to pick. Although it wasn't a race...it was still fun to watch...for about 5 minutes. Got my money back so I'm not pissed anymore.
He's the best ever, F1 will be less without him.
Shoes so big to fill they will never be filled in my lifetime.
i don't think he's the best ever (though i respect him), and i won't miss him too much, but it definitely IS the end of an era... power to him.
Schumacher soured his image as a driver of infinite precision with his less than sportsmanlike behaviour. I'll remember him as an asshole, unfortunately.
I just hate to see any great driver (and I do believe that he is a great driver) go away.
Just what does an ex F1 driver do for excitement? That would be a hard ride to give up. I suppose Ferrari would let him have track time as long as he wants some, but it still wouldn't be in competition....
I have no hard feelings for any of the drivers or teams in racing as I know it has almost always been about the money anyway. Still, it's fun for me to watch the drivers and the cars. What the hell else are you gonna watch NASCAR derby???
No matter what you think of some of his tactics, he is the best competitor F1 ever saw bar none, including, senna, fangio, etc..
F1 will not be the same next year...
Its a sad day....
John
Lots of sour grapes and favorites here, but short on logic.
F1 is full of politics and tactics. Always has been, always will be. The only reason MS is known for it is because he gets all the press and attention. Don't use that for an excuse to hate him.
If you don't appreciate his driving skills, say so. But his being the greatest driver ever has nothing to do with if someone likes his personality or not.
I can't think of a single modern day champion that didn't do what it took to win. Senna, Prost, Lauda, all were at least as cut throat as MS, probably more. It is part of the system they compete in.
As far as that mass-dampening device goes, how many people on this board really know all the details about that? show of hands?
I remember when the dodge boys got caught cheating in drag racing. The rumor was they had NOS hidden in the blocks of their pro stock engines. Their shop got "broken into" and all their blocks got smashed up.
They decided to "leave" NHRA and never return. Eventually they allowed Alderman and Scott Geffreon (sp?) to return as drivers, but they were watched really close.
A major scandal would have been bad for NHRA so they covered it up and everyone looked the other way, just like a major cheating scandal would be bad for F1. The point is, we really don't know what was up with that mass dampening device, do we? Maybe it was just a case of trying to level out the playing field, maybe it was intentionally giving ferrari an advantage, maybe it was an illegal device and something other than was described but covered up to prevent a scandal. Who knows? They do, we don't.
I was listening to Patrick Patternie a month ago or so telling stories, one was about having dinner with MS.
Someone asked MS what he did for fun, (besides winning F1 races).
Michael said he likes riding his Harley davidson motorcycles. When asked which model of harley he has, he replied "all of them". I get the feeling he can do pretty much anything he wants now.
I would personally like to see him buy a struggling small F1 team and build it up uintil it dominates the sport. He is capable of doing that despite the political resistance he would get. No doubt he could draw major sponsorship money, enough to outdo most factory teams.
Then when Bernie gets pissed and tries to slap him down, MS could start a competing F1 type of series and put that asshat bernie out of business. Or, he could start a mutiny in F1 among all the owners and drivers that bernie has pissed off, then he could could take over F1 and clean house at the FIA. Yeah, that would be cool.
Probably won't happen but I can dream.
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I absolutely disagree ...
There's no doubt that MSC ist the most successful driver ever, but I'd say he's far away from being the best driver ever. Very often he played absolutely unfair. He had the luck to go through an area where the driver didn't count that much. He had all the technique that made driving easier, he had the team with the best strategy, even if the car wasn't always the best. His team mates were not competitive - and if they had a good day, team order told them to stay behind him.
Remember back for about 20 years. The drivers had to decide on their own what to do in their cars, without team radio. They had to decide how much rpm they have to use on start (without launch control) and in the corners (without anti wheel spin control) and they had to decide at what rpm to shift up and down. Not to speak from the manual shifting.
In these days the whole races took place at the track, not at the pit. We saw more overtaking on the track, today everything's under control of the commanders in the pit. So the drivers just have to do what they're told.
Well, I do know that it needs a good driver to do what the pit crew wants you to, but you don't need be that good as you had to be earlier.
I think this is why we had more different champions in the past - and I think this will be the same in the future.
I'd say, MSC is a brilliant driver. But he's not as good that he diserves being 7 or 8 times world champion. 3 or 4 times champion would be enaugh.
just my 2 cent ...
Gustl
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VERY hard to compare drivers when the technology has changed so much in the last 20-30 years. How can you say MS was better than Fangio when they never raced in the same era?
best driver ever... if that was true, he wouldn't have needed to apply demolition-derby tactics to win his championships...
Jackie Stewart for ever.
Guess I'm getting old, but..
Professional sports today just ain't what they used to be. Mega million $$ owners/sponsors hire mega million $$ 'stars'. Some of these stars are great folks, I'm sure, but many seem to be pompous asswipes that really let you know they're the best, but just do it for the money. They throw tantrums that set a bad example for wannabes. Throwing tennis raquets and disputing every call was a big fad for a while. I just hope blocking a faster car doesn't become popular.
Nothing bad to say about Schumi, but I'd rather watch club racers. Football? Friday nights at the local High School. They came to play.
20 years from now someone will say, 'Remember 2006? Those were the good old days."
I for one think that Schumacher can easilly be consered one of the "greats" of F1. Agressive? You bet! Cut-throat? Without a doubt! But can you name one "great" of professional motorsports who wasn't that?
Senna, Fanjio, Hill, Earnhardt, Force... Make a list. It takes more than just pure, raw, unadulterated talent to succeed in professional motorsports. It takes agression, and determination too. And marketing is a skill a modern race car driver cannot be without. Sure, Schumi has rubbed tires with a number of other drivers, sure, he's been involved in some "questionable", and even a few obviously over-the-line tactics. But name me one multi-time champion that hasn't?
I think his achievements are a combination of many factors. Talent, there's no doubt he's got mad skills. Agressive, sure, he'd have to be. Lucky, you bet! But in this day of huge money racing, where teams spend more on a season of racing than the GDP of many small countries, where the rules are being changed on a regular basis to try induce some parity to the field, it's just as impressive to see someone so consistantly rise to the top. Sure, Ferrari is BIG, BIG, BIG money. But hey, so is McClaren, Renault, Williams, and others. Michael had the good fortune to be on the team that got it right more times than not. Could he have won so big on another team? Maybe, maybe not.
Oh, and not all his wins came while driving a red car either... He used to drive for other teams too you know! And won more than a couple races driving for Benetton, and garnered two championships with them before going to Ferrari.
Could he have won all those races if Senna hadn't died? No one will ever know, but I have little doubt that had Senna not died, this same kind of conversation would very well have come up about Ayrton instead. He wasn't exactly a poster boy for "sedate driving" when on the track either. But he won. And won, and won... And was a true sportsman. If anyone should ever be called a "Great", it was Ayrton Senna.
I for one will miss watching Michael drive. His ability to pull out fast laps when it counted most were great to watch. And the rain? Especially in the wet, he was absolutely masterfull when it rained.
As for what he does now? Kinda like asking what do you do with a 900 lb gorilla?
Anything he wants...
Man has more money than most of those same small countries I mentioned. I'd imagine his trophy room has more square footage than my whole house, and his garrage could probably make Jay Leno weep...
I'd love to see him stay involved in motorsports. But he has kids that he probably hasn't seen enough of over the years. Why wouldn't he want to spend some time with them??
I also would like to see him leave with another championship. So yeah, maybe I'm a little biased.
-Josh2
Agressive driving - to include blocking- has certainly been employed by past champs, it was blatent corner cutting and the quilifying debacle that solidified my opinion of his personality, and to me that overshadows his more "admirable" traits. He seemed pretty desparate lately...
The commentators on SpeedVision hinted that the Fiat Prez, who Schumaker avoided like the devil, was possibly wanting him to retire. I'm sure Ferrari is paying him a nice chuck of change for his services. Schumaker slapped $20M down for the tsunami victims. They are probably looking for cheaper, younger talent. It's like any other pro sport, it's a business and the money is the motivator.
I think some of the rulings this year have spoiled this season. Hopefully, next year will be more interesting with the driver/team changes. Kubica is incredible and has barely got his feet wet.
Jackie Stewart was also known as a "very aggressive" driver who would put you in the weeds rather than let you pass.
I've seen several interviews with other drivers who competed with him who made that claim.
I'm not trying to take anythnig away from Sir Stewart, just saying that is part of driving F1.
Earnhardt was the same way. Sometimes you need to "move" a slower driver.
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