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Posted by: ChrisNPDrider Sep 20 2006, 01:13 PM

I've waited a week for the emails I've sent to American Racing folks to be answered and have lost patience. I have googled looking for these and no luck in the first 2 pages. I even brought the lug bolts I need to GAF and found none, but got some encouragement and advice.

I REALLY NEED to get my hands on either a full set or 4 lug bolts for my American Racing wheels. One of these lugs that are on there are pictured below. I want to get some McGard bolts off and replace them with the correct type (4) or find new ones with fresh chrome (16) and replace them all. The bolt tightens with a 19mm socket. It has a "washer" fused to it that seat perfectly in a recessed circle on in the wheel. These are not ball seat or cone seat, but "flat" seat I guess. The McGard bolts have a spacer/adapter that is ball seat for the bolt then machined for a perfect fit in the recessed circle on the wheel (but they stick out because of this).

If anybody has these lying around, or knows of a source for special lug bolts, or a contact phone number for Amercian Racing (web site has email only) I would really appreciate info! My wheels are AR "daisy" style, I think that is what they are called, and I really like them. I would also really like to go to press in studs, but new lug bolts will get me through the next AX tech inspection and be easy on the wallet.


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Posted by: SGB Sep 20 2006, 01:45 PM

I have some Western wheels that have a similar "old style mag" seat surface. I had decided the wheels must have been from a lugeed setup. If anyone has a source for this type of bolt, I want to know as well!

Posted by: jd74914 Sep 20 2006, 01:46 PM

Me too, I need some new lugs for my westerns as well!

Posted by: Travis Neff Sep 20 2006, 01:51 PM

I have a full set of those bolts - from a set of western wheels. Not pretty (some have chrome coming off), but definately functional. Let me know.

Posted by: ChrisNPDrider Sep 20 2006, 03:48 PM

Travis - I will find my calipers and measure the depth and width exactly when i get home tonight. I am definitely interested in getting yours if they fit exactly. I picked up 4 spares at EASY and they *looked* good, but the unthreaded bolt part was 1 mm too wide and wouldn't fit in the wheel hole. Thanks for the response!

Posted by: jd74914 Sep 20 2006, 04:02 PM

Travis - if Chris passes for some odd reason I'm very interested

Posted by: Travis Neff Sep 20 2006, 04:28 PM

Scott beat you to them. I will look tonight to make sure I have all 16 and I will post the dimensions here.

Posted by: trekkor Sep 20 2006, 04:33 PM

Can you have the wheel's bolt hole machined to accept a cone seat bolt?

I also may still have 15 lugs from a set of Westerns.

Being me I just used cone seat bolts with the Westerns and they machined themselves...





KT

Posted by: grantsfo Sep 20 2006, 04:36 PM

I think Rich at HPH may have some of those. If you cant find them give him a call.

Posted by: ChrisNPDrider Sep 20 2006, 04:55 PM

Trek - what about running screw in studs with cone seat lug nuts in my flat surfaced wheels? Machining the wheels is a bigger chunk of change than lug bolts, but smaller than studs. Seriously, I think there is hope on the horizon.

Posted by: Travis Neff Sep 20 2006, 09:59 PM

Here are the dimensions from my wheel bolts. I believe that there were a couple versions of the western or "dan gurney" wheel. You'll need to measure your bolt hole diameter on the wheel to be sure of the required shank size of the bolt.

Here is what I got.

Bolt head 20MM
Shank diameter: 17mm
Shank length 10mm (with washer in place
Threaded portion 32mm
Overall length 66mm

Posted by: SGB Sep 20 2006, 10:31 PM

I'll check my wheels tomorrow. Thanks Travis and i hope HPH or Trek can help you other guys....

Posted by: ChrisNPDrider Sep 21 2006, 09:18 AM

OK- borrowed some calipers because I couldn't find mine last night and made the following measurements:

Bolt head: 19mm
Shank diameter: 16mm
Shank length: 10mm (with washer in place)
Threaded portion: 25mm
Washer diameter: 28.8mm

The caliper head wouldn't squeeze into the recess in the wheel well enough to get a 100% accurate diameter of the hole in the wheel for the lug bolt, but my 90% accurate measurement is 16mm. Putting the lug bolt back in, there is definitely not room for a 17mm shank diameter. In fact, I measured the "bad lug bolts" I got from EASY and the shank diameter is 17.5mm and these DO NOT fit in the hole.

THE BAD NEWS: those lug bolts from the Westerns will likely not work and I am not interested in them now. If I have to, I can machine my wheels, but then will have them done for a standard cone seat and get a new set of lug bolts.

THE GOOD NEWS: The AR special parts guy that I emailed last week replied last night! I sent him all the details and photos. As plan B, I call Rich at HPH because I KNOW he has these wheels and I should order a tuna can soon anyway.

Thanks for all the help so far!

Posted by: SGB Sep 21 2006, 10:02 PM

I,ve remeasured and can't use the bolts Travis has either, so anyone is looking for those, he till has em.

Posted by: HeavyHeavy Sep 21 2006, 10:41 PM

I don't know if they'll work for you, but I solved a similar
problem with empi part # 9511 wheel studs.

Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) Sep 21 2006, 10:49 PM

QUOTE(ChrisNPDrider @ Sep 20 2006, 12:13 PM)

I've waited a week for the emails I've sent to American Racing folks to be answered and have lost patience. I have googled looking for these and no luck in the first 2 pages. I even brought the lug bolts I need to GAF and found none, but got some encouragement and advice.

I REALLY NEED to get my hands on either a full set or 4 lug bolts for my American Racing wheels. One of these lugs that are on there are pictured below. I want to get some McGard bolts off and replace them with the correct type (4) or find new ones with fresh chrome (16) and replace them all. The bolt tightens with a 19mm socket. It has a "washer" fused to it that seat perfectly in a recessed circle on in the wheel. These are not ball seat or cone seat, but "flat" seat I guess. The McGard bolts have a spacer/adapter that is ball seat for the bolt then machined for a perfect fit in the recessed circle on the wheel (but they stick out because of this).

If anybody has these lying around, or knows of a source for special lug bolts, or a contact phone number for Amercian Racing (web site has email only) I would really appreciate info! My wheels are AR "daisy" style, I think that is what they are called, and I really like them. I would also really like to go to press in studs, but new lug bolts will get me through the next AX tech inspection and be easy on the wallet.

Posted by: ChrisNPDrider Oct 11 2006, 10:33 PM

Success! 16 new chrome gorilla cone seat lug bolts and perfect 60 deg cone seats drilled into my allow wheels thanks to a very generous member (thanks again Patrick!). Neither the AR wharehouse guy, HPH, EASY or classifieds for >1 week resulted in the correct lug bolt. Well, I now have 12 extra of these mag style lug bolts if anybody needs one



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Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) Oct 11 2006, 10:38 PM

glad you found something to work...

Posted by: dlee1967 Oct 11 2006, 10:55 PM

It looks like I am a little late but I have found that Mr Lug Nut has some unique offerings. I even found some lugs to fit my early Mini Cooper S at one time. They have conical and ball seat lug bolts and nuts.

http://www.mr-lugnut.com/

Posted by: trekkor Oct 11 2006, 11:02 PM

Do you have a picture of the cutting tool you used?

KT

Posted by: vsg914 Oct 12 2006, 04:54 AM

QUOTE(SGB @ Sep 20 2006, 02:45 PM)

Posted by: ppickerell Oct 12 2006, 10:20 AM

QUOTE(trekkor @ Oct 11 2006, 10:02 PM)

Posted by: ppickerell Oct 12 2006, 10:30 AM

QUOTE(trekkor @ Oct 11 2006, 10:02 PM)

Posted by: anderssj Oct 12 2006, 01:15 PM

Chris,

I could use a couple of the A-R lug bolts if you have any left. Thanks. PM sent.

Best,

Steve A-

Posted by: jimtab Oct 12 2006, 05:45 PM

Chris those wheels look GREAT. How did you get them polished up so nicely....I need to do the set I have. So impart the secret oh great one...