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Posted by: SirAndy Nov 10 2006, 07:27 PM
alright, here it is. the official /6 vs. /4 bashing thread! 
here's your chance to be heard. (or hurt)
give it your best shot.
take off the gloves.
no punch too low.
no rules (except no porn, no politics and no religion)(puppies are welcome).
name calling is a plus.
get down and dirty.
tell us how you really feel.
i'll start:
- /4 have a better low end torque curve, thus they're better suited for AX
- /6 have more high end rpm power, thus they're better suited for the big track
- a used /6 can be had for cheap, a used /4 can be had for cheaper
- a /6 rebuild into something nice will cost more than you car will ever be worth
- a raby /4 is expensive, but at least you know what you're getting for your money
- most /6 conversion seem to be done "on the cheap". cheap motor, cheap parts, cheap owners = poor quality
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Andy
Posted by: trekkor Nov 10 2006, 07:38 PM
I already feel "dirty". It'll clean off though.
Care to field a guess of how many a/x and track days on this "filth mobile"?
Not including this Sunday and Dec 10th.
El Cheapo Grande!! 
KT
Posted by: SirAndy Nov 10 2006, 07:45 PM
Care to field a guess of how many a/x and track days on this "filth mobile"?
Not including this Sunday and Dec 10th.
and that proves what?
i'd rather not be caught driving behind you when that 20lbs wooden board you call a "splitter" works his way lose and cuts through someones windshield. but that's for another thread ...
refresh my memory again, you paid how much for your used /6? $1000? is that what they're going for these days? how does it compare to a /4 of similar displacement? did you not brake your cheap "quick-six" motor mount bar?
Andy
Posted by: mikez Nov 10 2006, 07:49 PM
I farted on a new Cayman's leather seat today......
Posted by: Howard Nov 10 2006, 07:55 PM
Shouldn't this be a pole? 
OK, IMHO easy answers. Have driven 6 914's. The 2.0 4 is the best driver. Low end torque, not much shifting, good economy, not a lot of moving parts. Not much power so you don't need to 'update' everything.
6's are sexier, but stock early small displacement motors don't offer little improvement over the 4 except on longer tracks. And the sound.
I've driven Dekmans 3.0, arguably the best all around car here. Amazing handling, brakes, sound, looks. I love it, but it's 'busier' to drive than my 4. Even on the track, more shifting, more everything, much higher limits.
Z's 3.2 is also amazing. Great low end torque, lots of HP, scary fast. Feels like it needs more tire, brakes, suspension. Putting that FI motor in Dekman's car could be the ultimate 914. But it wouldn't put a much bigger grin on my face Sunday mornings at Our Lady of Mulholland than my 2.0.
Suzi has enough suspension, tires, and brakes that work well together. If I were just a better driver....
Posted by: jwalters Nov 10 2006, 07:57 PM
Oh yeas, let the anarchy begin:
A six should be installed only in a chassis specifically designed for a six and numbered as such from the fatherland factory. Period.
Any person who willfully swaps out his stock delivered four cylinder engine for a six openly displays their complete lack of manhood and can be seen as having no "sack". For to truly have balls of brass a real, defined man shall build upon that which is bestowed upon him by the factory for said display of manhood. To take the "cheap" and "easy" way out in order to dominate in ones chosen field by installing a six cylinder engine shall heretofor be known as a "WUSSY" For those not in the know of what terminology is "wussy" I shall explain. The "wus" is slang from american ebonics known as "Wimp"
Definition of "WIMP" : To completely lack manhood, yellow spined, hunted, to be destoyed by neighbors 6 year old girl, non-red blooded, absent of indeginous thought.
The second portion of "Wussy", another americanized ebonics venture known as "Pussy"
Definition of "Pussy" : known in the great americanized culture of a womans vagina, or, "PUSSY" This term is only partly taken from "Pussy Cat" with the "cat" dropped off. The term "Pussy" is a very neutral, if not nurturing term of american slang known as the " Kitty". However, when used in the context of not referring to a womans holiest of holy's, the term "Pussy" carries new weight as such to : define what was once, could have been, or was born and yet never matured into, a "MAN".
Heretofor a new manlaw is decreed: In accordance with all orders of the right of passage of manhood a new law it is decreed: To be completely and utterly so weak and of non-matured decent, manlaw #4675 is set forth as follows to refer to said male gender as a "WUSSY" , further defind as "Part wimp, and mostly Pussy".
NUFF SAID
Posted by: mikez Nov 10 2006, 07:59 PM
Shouldn't this be a pole?
OK, IMHO easy answers. Have driven 6 914's. The 2.0 4 is the best driver. Low end torque, not much shifting, good economy, not a lot of moving parts. Not much power so you don't need to 'update' everything.
6's are sexier, but stock early small displacement motors don't offer little improvement over the 4 except on longer tracks. And the sound.
I've driven Dekmans 3.0, arguably the best all around car here. Amazing handling, brakes, sound, looks. I love it, but it's 'busier' to drive than my 4. Even on the track, more shifting, more everything, much higher limits.
Z's 3.2 is also amazing. Great low end torque, lots of HP, scary fast. Feels like it needs more tire, brakes, suspension. Putting that FI motor in Dekman's car could be the ultimate 914. But it wouldn't put a much bigger grin on my face Sunday mornings at Our Lady of Mulholland than my 2.0.
Suzi has enough suspension, tires, and brakes that work well together. If I were just a better driver....
I ain't finished yet....it gets corner balanced next week and it has PLENTY of brake. As to being a better driver....maybe being younger and driving w/o Depends on would help.....
Posted by: jimkelly Nov 10 2006, 08:01 PM
I think it is time to regroup - and instead of one or the other being the bigger man - we can all take this opportunity to be bigger men - more importantly 914club members who respect one another and use some care in the words we choose when communicating. This site is not about pissing each other off 
or for relentless bragging about our car. Sometimes less is MORE. PEACE OUT - jim : )
Posted by: DNHunt Nov 10 2006, 08:06 PM
I'm bored, I think I'll have a beer
Posted by: jwalters Nov 10 2006, 08:09 PM
I think it is time to regroup - and instead of one or the other being the bigger man - we can all take this opportunity to be bigger men - more importantly 914club members who respect one another and use some care in the words we choose when communicating. This site is not about pissing each other off
or for relentless bragging about our car. Sometimes less is MORE. PEACE OUT - jim : )
But Jim, in accordance with the topic starter, and admin, we have been given free reign to admonish, denengrate, and outright defame other members in a very neutral, american man way of life. For to outright poke fun at another man is right of passage -----<or>
Are you a "Wussy"???
Posted by: J P Stein Nov 10 2006, 08:11 PM
Is this what this forum has come to?
I'm gone.
Posted by: iamchappy Nov 10 2006, 08:13 PM
914 6 Gt Turbo Carrera.......that's all.
Bash away I can take it (after all it's all in fun) right.....
Posted by: jwalters Nov 10 2006, 08:21 PM
914 6 Gt Turbo Carrera.......that's all.
Bash away I can take it (after all it's all in fun) right.....
YES it is!!
You are among the few to realise .....YOUR CAR SUCKS ASS AND BLACKSABBATH WILL DOMINATE YOU IN EVERY WAY BIATCH!
Posted by: Headrage Nov 10 2006, 08:22 PM
maybe being younger and driving w/o Depends on would help.....
Howie, do you have to take them off when you're wearing a helmet to clear the top?
Posted by: Bleyseng Nov 10 2006, 08:23 PM
Where ya going to JP?
this is the neverending thread....
Posted by: George H. Nov 10 2006, 08:26 PM
this guy drives a "Cheap Six" 
Posted by: George H. Nov 10 2006, 08:28 PM
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=63793
This is the brain of a /4 driver
edited to eliminate PM's again...............
Posted by: Cap'n Krusty Nov 10 2006, 08:29 PM
The Cap'n likes sixes, so they're the best thing for everyone. There is no possible way to refute this statement. Resistance is futile. The Cap'n
Posted by: messix Nov 10 2006, 08:30 PM
screw 4's and 6's!!!!!
V8's forever!!!!! 
Posted by: Howard Nov 10 2006, 08:33 PM
I ain't finished yet....it gets corner balanced next week and it has PLENTY of brake. As to being a better driver....maybe being younger and driving w/o Depends on would help.....
Z, you sanctimonious sack of shit! I admit I'm not fast, but I do stay ahead of you.
We were talking about cars, not drivers. I'm saying that same driver on Mulholland or a short track/AX would at least as fast in my 2.0 as he would in he would in your 3.2 in its present condition. And would do it with less shifting, better economy, lower cost, and not break as much of a sweat. Grin factor?? In the eye of the beholder.
Of course, you could add another $10k in tires, brakes and suspension to your car and whip my ass. You could be as fast as an automatic 996 (at the same price).
Posted by: sixnotfour Nov 10 2006, 08:34 PM
WaterBoy
Posted by: SirAndy Nov 10 2006, 08:38 PM
Is this what this forum has come to?
well, no. see, if i give them a thread where they can beat each other up over this, they'll keep the other threads clean and i don't have to babysit each and every T4 thread on this board which eventually has to be closed and removed ...
this is, in fact, going to save the forum!
Andy
Posted by: Howard Nov 10 2006, 08:47 PM
Howie, do you have to take them off when you're wearing a helmet to clear the top?
This from the youngster driving the 914/6 in an A/X running 4 seconds behind the old fart in the 996 in drive? With the A/C and stereo on singing 'Hotel California'?
Shame, shame.
Posted by: messix Nov 10 2006, 08:48 PM
WaterBoy
leaf blower!
Posted by: sixnotfour Nov 10 2006, 08:56 PM
With a Six and the Friggin rain we are having I prefer "Hover Craft"
Posted by: trekkor Nov 10 2006, 08:56 PM
NO! NO! NO!
KT
Posted by: messix Nov 10 2006, 08:59 PM
With a Six and the Friggin rain we are having I prefer "Hover Craft"
not even close,,, too heavy.
squirt boat [jet boat]
Posted by: grantsfo Nov 10 2006, 09:06 PM
My Mazdaspeed 2.3L DISI turbocharged DOHC I-4 pumps out 274 hp and 280 ft lbs of torque at 3000 RPM will give most six cylinder Porsches a run for their money when moving between 20 and 80 mph.
I vote for 4!
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Posted by: mikez Nov 10 2006, 09:08 PM
With or without the "hairdryer"?
Posted by: So.Cal.914 Nov 10 2006, 09:45 PM
My Mazdaspeed 2.3L DISI turbocharged DOHC I-4 pumps out 274 hp and 280 ft lbs of torque at 3000 RPM will give most six cylinder Porsches a run for their money when moving between 20 and 80 mph.
I vote for 4!
And gets 24 miles per bottle of Saki.
Posted by: jwalters Nov 10 2006, 09:47 PM
rice burners -
Posted by: trekkor Nov 10 2006, 10:05 PM
Yep, i drive a Nissan Altima with the 3.5, SIX, of course.
Huge acceleration and power.
My wife won't let me track it... 
KT
Posted by: KELTY360 Nov 10 2006, 10:06 PM
I'm bored, I think I'll have a beer
Less filling....
Tastes great
Can't we all just get along?
Posted by: jwalters Nov 10 2006, 10:09 PM
[quote name='grantsfo' post='813910' date='Nov 10 2006, 10:50 PM']
[/quote]
Shhh I even drive a Miata Its a sickness, [/quote]
I believe man law enaction of "Wussy" is appropriate.
Posted by: trekkor Nov 10 2006, 10:17 PM
But it has a FOUR. Make up your mind, already.
KT
Posted by: jwalters Nov 10 2006, 10:20 PM
But it has a FOUR. Make up your mind, already.
KT
In keeping with the spirit of the topic starter, this is a place about teeners -
The miata is not a car.
The miata is a homosexual transportation device.
Posted by: sixnotfour Nov 10 2006, 10:24 PM
No kidding, I thought maybe he was Rabid
Posted by: trekkor Nov 10 2006, 10:31 PM
Actually, a Spec Miata is a serious racer that most cannot keep up with.
KT
Posted by: pete-stevers Nov 10 2006, 11:00 PM
i think i am going back to a four.....
grant ...trek .....
i am done!....u guys r pissin off most of the four crowd.....
they are a majority here....instead of sittin on your puter hackin guys....get out and get out and do something positive...like getting your hack sixes running
and to top it off....
i think jake is a genius!!!!
Posted by: URY914 Nov 10 2006, 11:06 PM
Asian books 40% off...
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Posted by: brer Nov 10 2006, 11:08 PM
this guy drives a "Cheap Six"
actually he drives a 998cc /4
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Posted by: porschecb Nov 10 2006, 11:10 PM
Posted by: TimT Nov 10 2006, 11:13 PM
I have a fix for the /4 guys with /6 envy
over 850 HP 
all we do to the engine is inspect/change the rod bearings every year or so, and keep an eye on the exhaust valve guides
Posted by: jwalters Nov 10 2006, 11:18 PM
I have a fix for the /4 guys with /6 envy
over 850 HP
all we do to the engine is inspect/change the rod bearings every year or so, and keep an eye on the exhaust valve guides
A 180 HP -4 in a so-so-prepped 914 - - but with a very good wheel man, will whup sorry smoke ass in the twisties all over that mongoloid - good-for-straights-only contraption. And I am talking 1970's tech at that - even porsche knows it would happen---
Posted by: nebreitling Nov 10 2006, 11:42 PM
both 4's and 6's suck.
i like 1's.
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Posted by: McMark Nov 10 2006, 11:52 PM
Can we stick one of the at each wheel, Nathan?
Posted by: nebreitling Nov 10 2006, 11:55 PM
lol, you'd only need two of them to make as much horsepower as the average 914...
Posted by: sww914 Nov 11 2006, 12:17 AM
I've been racing a 4 for 8 years. I want a 6. But, I also want new tile, a bigger patio, new windows in every room, and a new garage.
I'm sick of the finicky 4 breaking pretty regularly, I'm racing a damned VW van engine for God's sake, what was I thinking?
So, I really want a 6, but I'll really miss kicking the dog crap out of guys with nicely prepped SC's and Carreras, them with $30K, $40K, 50K in their cars and me with less than $10K in mine.
They come over sometimes and ask what sized engine I have, I say 2.1.
They say 2.1? I haven't heard of a 6 that size.
I say, it's a 4.
They don't like it. At all.
Posted by: jwalters Nov 11 2006, 08:41 AM
I've been racing a 4 for 8 years. I want a 6. But, I also want new tile, a bigger patio, new windows in every room, and a new garage.
I'm sick of the finicky 4 breaking pretty regularly, I'm racing a damned VW van engine for God's sake, what was I thinking?
So, I really want a 6, but I'll really miss kicking the dog crap out of guys with nicely prepped SC's and Carreras, them with $30K, $40K, 50K in their cars and me with less than $10K in mine.
They come over sometimes and ask what sized engine I have, I say 2.1.
They say 2.1? I haven't heard of a 6 that size.
I say, it's a 4.
They don't like it. At all.
A new company called "Exhaustive Solutions" will (hopefully) be up and running by end of next year with a range of products for T4. These products go into a completely new arena with heavy duty power upgrades - They will give owners a new grin factor by dominating with T4 power. Both in absolute genious application and affordability.
Fours are the future!
GREAT SUCCESS!
Posted by: Eric_Shea Nov 11 2006, 08:52 AM
Volker says 4's are "Scheiße" 
Posted by: TROJANMAN Nov 11 2006, 09:05 AM
I don't know who this JAKE guy is that you keep bashing, but let's do the simple math..............
according to a 914 "God" a fresh 3.0 motor can be had for $4k
That is Dirt cheap
According to a former disenfranchised Big 4 seeker, a big 4 "with all the bells and whistles" runs $18k
hmmmmm
The Big 4 has no real proven track record of longevity, yet.
Even if the "used" 3.0 needs a rebuild, It probably has 40-50k miles left in it, and a rebuild will only be $7-9k. Still cheaper than the Big 4, and with a proven record of reliability. Not to mention the fact that the used 6 will probably have 5-6 years of drive time before it needs a rebuild, b/c how many of us (with performance engines) drive our cars more than 10k miles a year.
So.........for my money, I would choose the six.
Do i dislike 4's? Heck no! I just can't afford a bigger one.
If prices and durability were equal.........i'd probably take the 4, but their not
That opinion is worth about 2 pennies
Posted by: MW 914 Nov 11 2006, 09:06 AM
I have know idea which one is better. I will say however that after converting my 4 to a 6, I have zero interest in driving a 4. Make of it what you will. 
Posted by: SLITS Nov 11 2006, 09:11 AM
I have both, so I'm a 10 ...... the rest of you just plain suck!!!
They are not leaf blowers ..... They are Windsuckers ..... helped win WWII ya know.
Posted by: Headrage Nov 11 2006, 09:12 AM
Howie, do you have to take them off when you're wearing a helmet to clear the top?
This from the youngster driving the 914/6 in an A/X running 4 seconds behind the old fart in the 996 in drive? With the A/C and stereo on singing 'Hotel California'?
Shame, shame.
So, are you saying that you can keep them on and still fit in the car with a helmet as long as you empty them first?
Posted by: mikez Nov 11 2006, 09:15 AM
You can take the trash out of the trailer, but you can't take the trailer out of the trash.....
Posted by: jwalters Nov 11 2006, 09:15 AM
Do i dislike 4's? Heck no! I just can't afford a bigger one.
That opinion is worth about 2 pennies
This WILL change - -It will be awhile yet, but it HAS been in the works for almost 2 years now in R&D - A four will be a true choice of many vs. a six ----
Posted by: mikez Nov 11 2006, 09:16 AM
Howie, do you have to take them off when you're wearing a helmet to clear the top?
This from the youngster driving the 914/6 in an A/X running 4 seconds behind the old fart in the 996 in drive? With the A/C and stereo on singing 'Hotel California'?
Shame, shame.
So, are you saying that you can keep them on and still fit in the car with a helmet as long as you empty them first?
Does he wear them over or under the panty hose?
Posted by: Brew Nov 11 2006, 09:27 AM
I don't know who this JAKE guy is that you keep bashing, but let's do the simple math..............
according to a 914 "God" a fresh 3.0 motor can be had for $4k
That is Dirt cheap
Getting it for $4k is one thing, installing it in a /4 car is quite another methinks.
Posted by: TROJANMAN Nov 11 2006, 09:35 AM
I don't know who this JAKE guy is that you keep bashing, but let's do the simple math..............
according to a 914 "God" a fresh 3.0 motor can be had for $4k
That is Dirt cheap
Getting it for $4k is one thing, installing it in a /4 car is quite another methinks.
Well, according to the "God"
$8k for a small 2.4 six (see the voltron thread) and install is really exspensive, so based on his math, it should be cheap.
BTW, when do you want to pick up your stuff? jeff dpesn't need the door. i left you a message yesterday, give me a call.
Posted by: Brew Nov 11 2006, 09:39 AM
Yeah, sorry bout that. Too much drama here yesterday. I'll call you when I get off work.
Posted by: Howard Nov 11 2006, 09:42 AM
Does he wear them over or under the panty hose?
I like the support of panty hose, but farting makes my ankles bulge. Maybe I should remove the rear valance for better circulation and cooling.
You 6cyl types keep hijacking this post 'cause you know 4's are better
Posted by: JPB Nov 11 2006, 09:51 AM
Sir Andy, this had to be asked so the truth would come out and we can speak our minds on power, performance and the money issues of our engine choices. There are many good people out here which won't speak a harsh word about anything and I commend them for their respect. I also commend those who can tactfully use the english language in a way which can ridicule in a playfull way thus achieveing the same result. I for one like to speak entertaining blurbs which may be interpreted as harshness by those who are perpetually stimulating my testicles 
4,6,8,and for the one who sports a cumulative 10 my answer is symple. This club NEEDS more reliable driving cars. I know we all have our money issues but it also sucks to hear of club members not having a drivable 914. The greatest and most important challenge we will face in the future is getting more of these cars on the road. This club has a great wealth of quality people and infomation which can get anyone well on their way just being here on the site. I can only wish that there will be a continual and more hands on effort as a collective to help others to be more active, involved and ultimately on the road.
Posted by: Dr Evil Nov 11 2006, 10:07 AM
If I still had a /4 in my car I would be driving it right now Switching to a /6 was seductive. More power, I can look down my nose at people, and I am instantly cool I thought. Nope, Now I have an engine that is more of a PITA to work on and far more expensive than I can afford should I, and I suppose I will, break it. My tune will change once it is up and running I am sure and I will be enjoying my new found status until the inevitable breakage...
Posted by: jwalters Nov 11 2006, 01:20 PM
If I still had a /4 in my car I would be driving it right now
Switching to a /6 was seductive. More power, I can look down my nose at people, and I am instantly cool I thought. Nope, Now I have an engine that is more of a PITA to work on and far more expensive than I can afford should I, and I suppose I will, break it. My tune will change once it is up and running I am sure and I will be enjoying my new found status until the inevitable breakage...Yo Evil - you still in school to be a proctologist or something??
How do you find the time to do all you do, if you do, do, uhh, know whut I mean?J
Posted by: Dr Evil Nov 11 2006, 02:06 PM
Second year med student. Looking at emergency medicine or family practice at the moment. Not really into rectums, for personal or proffessional use. I really do not find the time to do what I do. this is why my car is still not running and why my other vehicles are broken. No time, no money, no luck. Looking forward to Thanksgiving, X-mas and spring break to fix stuff. All of my free time is reserved for customers at teh moment.
Posted by: jwalters Nov 11 2006, 02:11 PM
That si kool dude!
Like I have been told I pass on to you -
Be GREAT
IF you cannot be great
Be GREAT at it!
Posted by: trekkor Nov 11 2006, 02:22 PM
I'm running my SIX on the track tomorrow...
KT
Posted by: jwalters Nov 11 2006, 02:25 PM
I'm running my SIX on the track tomorrow...
KT
Too bad it won't win nuthin -
Posted by: iamchappy Nov 11 2006, 02:28 PM
Trekkor, I bet you will be bumming when all those 4 bangers start lapping you tomorrow.
I know when I get my 480hp turbo monster running I wont be happy when the type 4's
leave me in the dust....It's amazing how a couple of 100lbs of weight will make a 914 into a complete dog running around a parking lot.
Posted by: trekkor Nov 11 2006, 02:30 PM
Never will-
I'm not a racer. DE's only. silly man
KT
Posted by: trekkor Nov 11 2006, 02:35 PM
the weight, ah yes....The weight.
FYI a 200# passenger cost's me 1 second at Sears and 1 second on an a/x run.
I can hold my own.
I have done ZERO weight reduction to my car. It still has everything.
At the last a/x for example. I was the fastest street legal 914 in attendance.
*without first gear*.
KT
Posted by: Racer Chris Nov 11 2006, 02:51 PM
Actually, a Spec Miata is a serious racer that most cannot keep up with.
KT
Posted by: Sammy Nov 11 2006, 04:26 PM
I' ve logged more miles in a 914/4 than most of the people on this board, at least 80,000 miles and maybe close to 100,000.
Haym, there's an idea for a pole, how many miles have you driven in a 914? We doan have enuff poles.
Much of those miles were in a stock 1.7, some was in a turbo 2,0, some was with a chebby engine. From stock buggy power to big power.
I prefer a six. I knew that the first time I rode in a 914/6. There was no looking back.
BTW, spending $5k to $7k to rebuild a six? Only if it is a total basket case or you take it to a dealer or a ?????.
I went through my 3 liter six for about $1100. Of course it didn't need much besides head studs, everything was near perfect. That should have been expected as it was barely broke in with about 105,000 miles on it.
I took some scotch brite to the cylinder bores to clean em up and that's all they needed.
Posted by: wbergtho Nov 11 2006, 08:12 PM
V8's forever!!!!!
Took the words right out of my mouth! V-8's forever BIATCH's! No numbers matching faggotty underpowered hermetically sealed musuem pieces
...No!...A nice rust free $500 roller 
....transformed into a supercar 
...capable of slaying Vipers, Lambos, Ferrari's, 996 TT, etc.
Posted by: trekkor Nov 11 2006, 08:24 PM
My next one will be a V-8...Why not 
I can pick up a used Corvette motor for under a grandski, do some freaky fab work and check that out.
KT
Posted by: JPB Nov 11 2006, 08:35 PM
Trekkor, I bet you will be bumming when all those 4 bangers start lapping you tomorrow.
I know when I get my 480hp turbo monster running I wont be happy when the type 4's
leave me in the dust....It's amazing how a couple of 100lbs of weight will make a 914 into a complete dog running around a parking lot.
You are saying a type4 being about 277Lbs is better than a six which is, did you mean to say 400lbs+? If so granaded T4s are the schmit and thats a new one for me since many claim the six is the real deal.
Posted by: trekkor Nov 11 2006, 09:08 PM
Posted by: iamchappy Nov 11 2006, 09:41 PM
I am just being sarcastic...
My turbo 914 when it had 350hp would make most people wet their pants.
Qarl pulled a groin muscle and had fear in his eyes
when I gave him a ride.
Qarl drives some pretty hot cars and it scared him.
Try that with a type 4...I had a 2.9 type 4 once, it no way was anything close to
the driving experience of a big turbocharged six.
I dont dislike type 4 powered 914's I just dont consider them high performance.
And I believe my car is about 200lbs at most heavier than a type 4 but also has over 350 more horsepower now.
Posted by: wbergtho Nov 11 2006, 09:43 PM
leave me in the dust....It's amazing how a couple of 100lbs of weight will make a 914 into a complete dog running around a parking lot.
Hey Chappy,
Somehow...I believe you'll have no trouble with a type 4...with 480 HP and driving skill (I remember you saying you have road raced cars & go-karts)....you'll no doubt be a menace. Judas Priest!...w/ 480 HP, I don't think I'll want to race you.
Bill
Posted by: iamchappy Nov 11 2006, 09:49 PM
Bill you dont have to worry about me passing YOU, your insane....
By the way I am so hoping the body is done by Thanksgiving if not best I can hope for is
Christmas. Can you believe it, I thought I would be on the road no later than August.
Posted by: iamchappy Nov 11 2006, 09:52 PM
This is where it all start for me, Donnybrooke. AKA BIR
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Posted by: Spoke Nov 11 2006, 09:56 PM
The Porsche 911 was the first car I fell in love with at about age 10. Lots of them cruising around the Sewickley, Pa area where I grew up. I became a Porsche guy.
Then Porsche developed the 914. At 15, I got to ride several times in a 73 or 74 914 and fell in love with the 914.
Shortly after I talked up the 914 to a friend and he absolutely bashed the 914 as a VW, not a real Porsche (NARP). Kinda soured me a bit on 914s.
The 914/6 was the real deal as far as being as real a Porsche as possible. But not many around.
Fast forward to now, and I'm finally a Porsche owner. 914-4 that is. Two of them. Total of 8 cylinders between 2 cars. Need more HP.
How more HP? /6? Massive TIV? V6? V8? Turbo? Many options. Some more expensive than others. Who cares how the HP comes as long as it comes.
One of the things a /6 does for a 914 is move it closer to a being real Porsche. There's a love affair with the /6 that's intoxicating. If you want that /6 Porsche feel & sound, just do it.
Get your HP where you want for the $$ you want to spend.
Spoke
Posted by: trekkor Nov 11 2006, 09:58 PM
I'd drive the Big Turbo Six...I would.
KT
Posted by: iamchappy Nov 11 2006, 10:00 PM
If I ever get it to the WCC you will.
Posted by: trekkor Nov 11 2006, 10:27 PM
Awesome!!
Posted by: Aaron Cox Nov 11 2006, 10:49 PM
I'd drive the Big Turbo Six...I would.
KT
im sure home depot sells hairdryers and PVC plumbing!
Posted by: trekkor Nov 11 2006, 11:50 PM
I was just there today.
Got a phone cord end to make a longer line for my Hot Lap in-car timer.
Need parts for your track car? Home Depot.
KT
Posted by: Rotten Robby Nov 12 2006, 10:37 AM
This is where it all start for me, Donnybrooke. AKA BIR
For me too. I went up with a friend who was deep in the SCCA and wound up on a tow crew. Eventually medical team. Cooked my brakes on my 240Z and had to muscle my way around turn ten at a track event a few years ago. Saw tons of titties in the mudpit area. 911s and 914s were a distant dream then.
Posted by: sww914 Nov 12 2006, 02:35 PM
the weight, ah yes....The weight.
FYI a 200# passenger cost's me 1 second at Sears and 1 second on an a/x run.
I can hold my own.
I have done ZERO weight reduction to my car. It still has everything.
At the last a/x for example. I was the fastest street legal 914 in attendance.
*without first gear*.
KT
Do you keep your windshield washer reservoir full?
Posted by: wbergtho Nov 12 2006, 03:52 PM
Hey Dave C,
I'd like to come over some day with Paul and slobber over your black beast. It'll be fun to see how far you've progressed.
Bill
Posted by: Sammy Nov 12 2006, 04:03 PM
Now hold on, lets not gloss over this tittie thing..............
Posted by: wbergtho Nov 12 2006, 08:48 PM
any pics????
Posted by: iamchappy Nov 12 2006, 08:54 PM
A friend of mine had the Girls gone wild BIR tape..
Posted by: mikez Nov 12 2006, 08:58 PM
I' ve logged more miles in a 914/4 than most of the people on this board, at least 80,000 miles and maybe close to 100,000.
Haym, there's an idea for a pole, how many miles have you driven in a 914? We doan have enuff poles.
Much of those miles were in a stock 1.7, some was in a turbo 2,0, some was with a chebby engine. From stock buggy power to big power.
I prefer a six. I knew that the first time I rode in a 914/6. There was no looking back.
BTW, spending $5k to $7k to rebuild a six? Only if it is a total basket case or you take it to a dealer or a ?????.
I went through my 3 liter six for about $1100. Of course it didn't need much besides head studs, everything was near perfect. That should have been expected as it was barely broke in with about 105,000 miles on it.
I took some scotch brite to the cylinder bores to clean em up and that's all they needed.
K....I helped sell ya the 914/8....I gave ya a ride in a 914/6 at an AX....took ya on a rocket ride up the San Marcos Pass, went from 0 to 120MPH to 0 in one mile .....I named you Turbo Water Dude.....I've pissed off yer wife wife at LEAST 10 times....and you still won't sell me a Sammy Seal.....
But yer still in my cell phone......
Posted by: trekkor Nov 12 2006, 09:03 PM
SIXES are still better...
Face it, "they" only quit making 914-6's to keep them from making the 911 look bad in '71.
Bow down...
KT
Posted by: iamchappy Nov 12 2006, 09:28 PM
(I'd like to come over some day with Paul and slobber over your black beast. It'll be fun to see how far you've progressed.)
Bill, you and Paul will get the call...cigars and beer, and BIBS...
Posted by: Howard Nov 12 2006, 09:47 PM
At the last a/x for example. I was the fastest street legal 914 in attendance.
*without first gear*.
KT
First gear??? No torque??? With a 4 or an 8 ya only use that to put the car on the trailer.
Posted by: Series9 Nov 12 2006, 10:43 PM
And best of all sixes are babe magnets.
This /4 got some love too...........probably because she's Howards.
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Posted by: SirAndy Nov 12 2006, 11:02 PM
This /4 got some love too...........probably because she's Howards.
4 to 0 for the /4s ...
Posted by: Series9 Nov 12 2006, 11:22 PM
Here's a drunk chick the RS picked up in Vegas on the way to WCC05.
1 for the /6s.
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Posted by: Series9 Nov 12 2006, 11:25 PM
2 for the /6s.
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Posted by: MW 914 Nov 12 2006, 11:28 PM
2 for the /6s.
I have a /6 I have yet to see boobies in mine!! Damn!
Posted by: Dr Evil Nov 12 2006, 11:30 PM
Frosty boobies?
Posted by: Series9 Nov 12 2006, 11:33 PM
Frosty boobies?
Yes. She was a trooper. That was Friday night at RRC. It was in the high 30s.
Posted by: MW 914 Nov 12 2006, 11:37 PM
Frosty boobies?
Yes. She was a trooper. That was Friday night at RRC. It was in the high 30s.
That pic doesn't show the half of it! How about when she was driving in that shit doing 80 with no top(on the car
) and no back window. Liz is the real deal!
Posted by: brant Nov 12 2006, 11:53 PM
I was just there today.
Got a phone cord end to make a longer line for my Hot Lap in-car timer.
Need parts for your track car? Home Depot.
KT
KT,
that phone cord doesn't have the correct wire order.
you will have to cut one end off and reverse the order.
with a standard cord, the timmer will display a new lap every 5 seconds.
brant
Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) Nov 12 2006, 11:57 PM
I was just there today.
Got a phone cord end to make a longer line for my Hot Lap in-car timer.
Need parts for your track car? Home Depot.
KT
KT,
that phone cord doesn't have the correct wire order.
you will have to cut one end off and reverse the order.
with a standard cord, the timmer will display a new lap every 5 seconds.
brant
Yep. Posted by: trekkor Nov 13 2006, 12:26 AM
I read the instructions
I even tested the thing, as my TV remote control would trigger it
KT
Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) Nov 13 2006, 12:36 AM
Interesting....the older ones....I have one of them...
You had to change the order on the phone cord to make it work correctly...maybe the newer ones are different...I have had mine over 10 years.
before it was owned by Longacre
Posted by: brant Nov 13 2006, 12:41 AM
Agreed Dan,
I have 2 of the early style and am in the process of having a custom cord made right now for one of them...
hmm.. must of changed.
Posted by: wbergtho Nov 13 2006, 12:49 AM
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Hey Chappy,
That Kart looks very scary fast. Twin cylinder two stroke. How big was the engine and how fast was it on the straights? I bet north of 110mph.......
Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) Nov 13 2006, 12:57 AM
Agreed Dan,
I have 2 of the early style and am in the process of having a custom cord made right now for one of them...
hmm.. must of changed.
By the way Brant...from what I hear....Orange 914s are fastest whether they are 4 or 6 cylinder
I think that racerChris would agree also
Posted by: trekkor Nov 13 2006, 01:14 AM
yes, I did that.
All laps today were timed...Hoorah!
KT
Posted by: Racer Chris Nov 13 2006, 06:24 AM
I think that racerChris would agree also 
There's no doubt!
Posted by: Bleyseng Nov 13 2006, 07:45 AM
They stopped making 914/6's cuz they DIDN'T SELL. They sat on the docks waiting to a smuck to buy them here in the USA with that wimpy 110hp six.
Posted by: mikez Nov 13 2006, 07:56 AM
They didn't sell because they were priced right below the 911...VW's new CEO fucked them on the body pricing as they controlled the contract with Karmann......the original handshake agreement between Porsche and VW wasn't honored.
Posted by: iamchappy Nov 13 2006, 09:25 AM
Bill,
90cc Mcculloch running Nitrobenzene oil 2 stroke said to of been clocked at 165 MPH but I think closer to 140's BIR straight 110 single engine( front end got light on me once and lifted the front few inches, that was scary)The number panel on the front was my only downforce. Enduro Kart was geared real low as I weighed nothing back then but it still burned a lot of clutch getting started. I was to young to compete with the twin engine setup but ran them in practice events.
You can understand why I eventually ended up with a 914 turbo monster.
I sold it to the sister of a boy with cancer for a few hundred bucks, It was his dream to have a Kart like this.
Many years later I saw it at a Minneapolis Custom car show.
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Posted by: wbergtho Nov 13 2006, 11:38 AM
That's badass!
Posted by: Sammy Nov 13 2006, 01:19 PM
Now hold on a darn minute. What are you doin, eating them?
How many seals are you gonna go through?
Posted by: grantsfo Nov 13 2006, 04:34 PM
Now hold on a darn minute. What are you doin, eating them?
How many seals are you gonna go through?
If youre going to eat seals at least prepare them properly.
http://harborsealcommission.org/recipes.html
Posted by: Aaron Cox Nov 13 2006, 04:36 PM
"save the whales.... shoot the seals... save them big fat funky whales...."
Posted by: George H. Nov 13 2006, 04:45 PM
can you use seal blubber to pack CV joints in a 6?
i know it works in a 4
Posted by: JPB Nov 13 2006, 04:45 PM
Now hold on a darn minute. What are you doin, eating them?
How many seals are you gonna go through?
If youre going to eat seals at least prepare them properly.
http://harborsealcommission.org/recipes.html
Sweet delish and cheap protein. Where can I get some oh dat?
Club the seals and save the fish population.
Posted by: Sammy Nov 13 2006, 05:27 PM
Didja hear about the penguin who took his car to the mechanic?
After a few minutes the mechanic walked up to the penguin and said "it looks like you blew a seal".
The penguin wiped off his chin and said "no, I just ate some ice-cream".
ba da bump.
Prolly tastes just like miracle whip.
Posted by: SLITS Nov 13 2006, 05:56 PM
Didja hear about the penguin who took his car to the mechanic?
After a few minutes the mechanic walked up to the penguin and said "it looks like you blew a seal".
The penguin wiped off his chin and said "no, I just ate some ice-cream".
ba da bump.
Prolly tastes just like miracle whip.
That sounds like the voice of experience ...... apparently you traveled north during your un-noticed absense. I tag you a Mayo lover .... now, get in yer slow ass-dragger and head east to be with your kin.
Posted by: Sammy Nov 13 2006, 06:16 PM
Maybe this wikend i kin git out.
Hafta time it twixt baseball and soccer games an church.
Posted by: Type 4 Unleashed Nov 13 2006, 10:45 PM
Here's my contribution to this posting
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-JB6JzzY4Yw
Posted by: grantsfo Nov 13 2006, 10:59 PM
Celebrities race 914-6's ...remind me again who races 914'-4's other than washed up amateurs?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jJIwKv4nFls
Posted by: Howard Nov 13 2006, 11:24 PM
Celebrities race 914-6's ...remind me again who races 914'-4's other than washed up amatures?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jJIwKv4nFls
I didn't know you were a celeb. But at least some of us amateurs can spell.
Posted by: TonyAKAVW Nov 14 2006, 05:43 PM
I'm a little late to join the /6 vs. /4 debate. I say neither are any good. That is, aircooled Porsche 6 or VW type 4. They are old, and pretty much across the board have been outdone in the decades since they were originally designed.
Its like having a debate between vinyl record players and 8-track tape players. Sure they have that unique sound, but what good are they anymore really? (aside from the real purists)
For $15,000 you can probably make an 8 track sound pretty close to a good record player, and a $15,000 record player will probalby sound as good as or maybe better than a CD player. But at some point you ask, what would a $15,000 CD player sound like?
So I'm not going to debate which is better because I say they are both irrelevant.
-Tony
Posted by: jkeyzer Nov 14 2006, 06:11 PM
Its like having a debate between vinyl record players and 8-track tape players. Sure they have that unique sound, but what good are they anymore really? (aside from the real purists)
So I'm not going to debate which is better because I say they are both irrelevant.
-Tony
In a lot of ways...
Posted by: jwalters Nov 14 2006, 06:23 PM
I'm a little late to join the /6 vs. /4 debate. I say neither are any good. That is, aircooled Porsche 6 or VW type 4. They are old, and pretty much across the board have been outdone in the decades since they were originally designed.
Its like having a debate between vinyl record players and 8-track tape players. Sure they have that unique sound, but what good are they anymore really? (aside from the real purists)
For $15,000 you can probably make an 8 track sound pretty close to a good record player, and a $15,000 record player will probalby sound as good as or maybe better than a CD player. But at some point you ask, what would a $15,000 CD player sound like?
So I'm not going to debate which is better because I say they are both irrelevant.
-Tony
Dude - don't be
Posted by: TonyAKAVW Nov 14 2006, 06:25 PM
Dude
Posted by: jwalters Nov 14 2006, 06:30 PM
Dude
Dood?
Posted by: George H. Nov 14 2006, 06:32 PM
Dude
Dood?
Dud
Posted by: jwalters Nov 14 2006, 06:34 PM
DOOOOODE !!!!!
Posted by: iamchappy Nov 14 2006, 06:52 PM
I prefer the sound of record players over cd's..
Posted by: jwalters Nov 14 2006, 06:55 PM
I prefer the sound of record players over cd's..
LP's are much more "rich" sounding. Having trouble keeping them from skipping in my teener tho -
Posted by: TonyAKAVW Nov 14 2006, 07:00 PM
Here's a good one... Listen to Money from Dark Side of The Moon on Vinyl, CD, and MP3. The sound of the coins dropping is really 'noise' and shows the surprising difference between these three technologies. Vinyl seems to capture it best, with CD sound very close, and MP3 sounding just horrible (by comparison).
-Tony
Posted by: jwalters Nov 14 2006, 07:03 PM
Here's a good one... Listen to Money from Dark Side of The Moon on Vinyl, CD, and MP3. The sound of the coins dropping is really 'noise' and shows the surprising difference between these three technologies. Vinyl seems to capture it best, with CD sound very close, and MP3 sounding just horrible (by comparison).
-Tony
Dude!
That is the pre-eminent album to listen to on LP! Not only the coins, but the nature reverb from being recorded in concert hall. Computers don't quite know what to make of it, and it all gets lost in translation -"learning to fly and wolves" kick ass too -
Posted by: thomasotten Nov 14 2006, 09:14 PM
Six versus four.... someone mentioned Dark side of the Moon, why don't we have a real debate, like is Pink Floyd really Pink Floyd without Roger Waters....
Posted by: grantsfo Nov 14 2006, 10:27 PM
Six versus four.... someone mentioned Dark side of the Moon, why don't we have a real debate, like is Pink Floyd really Pink Floyd without Roger Waters....
Because its not a debate. Pink Floyd ceased to exist after Roger Waters.
Posted by: rdauenhauer Nov 14 2006, 11:48 PM
if thats so Pink Floyd ceased to exist after Syd Barret 
Posted by: jwalters Nov 15 2006, 07:15 AM
Sooooo -if you were given / had access to tickets to see "Pink Floyd" in concert, you WOULD pass up on it???
Posted by: grantsfo Nov 15 2006, 08:28 AM
if thats so Pink Floyd ceased to exist after Syd Barret
Now there's a debate
Posted by: Bleyseng Nov 15 2006, 09:36 AM
Soo, who is Pink Floyd?
Posted by: Sammy Nov 15 2006, 09:37 AM
Yep. I would give em away.
I saw a pink floyd concert on TV recently, I don't think i would be able to stay awake for the whole show.
reminded me of Led Zepplin's "song remains the same" movie. I went to see it about 10 times at teh midnight showing when i was younger (much younger). i wass a big Zep fan, but I don't think i ever stayed awake through the entire show. It was just more piled higher and deeper. After 10 minutes you've seen it all, now you just get to sit there and see it a hundred more times. Kinda like a NASCAR race.
I don't use drugs tho. Maybe if I did it would be better.......
Posted by: jwalters Nov 15 2006, 12:12 PM
I don't use drugs tho. Maybe if I did it would be better.......
Uhhh - YES IT WILL!
Posted by: tat2dphreak Nov 15 2006, 03:30 PM
/6's make my pee yellow.
but /4s make my farts stink...
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