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914World.com _ 914World Garage _ Hand/hammer formed flares, started today 4 my 17x8's
Posted by: Mueller Nov 12 2006, 06:22 PM
started the drivers side rear qtr panel..this was about 10 minutes worth of work...
...going for a faux GT flare look....
Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) Nov 12 2006, 06:25 PM
looking good Mike....I likey.
Posted by: Aaron Cox Nov 12 2006, 06:27 PM
nice!!!
so step 1, palm nailer. step 2 - planishing hammer?
very cool man! does it wake the kids up?
Posted by: Mueller Nov 12 2006, 06:29 PM
nice!!!
so step 1, palm nailer. step 2 - planishing hammer?
very cool man! does it wake the kids up?
yep, palm nailer...word of warning, don't "test" the palm nailer on your hand...ouch....
kids are at granndpas house with mommy...time for daddy to play
Posted by: SGB Nov 12 2006, 06:45 PM
This is really cool. Post a picture of a palm nailer. I think this is THE way to do flairs. John the ghia guy who handformed his (as shown in his avatar- I'm blanking on the screen name though) was having a class in this this past weekend. I would like to learn this. Does it get sofeter as you work it, or do ya just beat the sh!t out of it until it is where you want it? Take some more pictures- difernt angles, etc. Is this the first side?
Posted by: McMark Nov 12 2006, 07:45 PM
Mike, I need to have John Kelly make me a pneumatic planishing hammer. It makes quick work of smoothing out the lumpy-ness.
Aaron, without a planishing hammer setup, it's hammer and dolly work to take out the lumps.
Posted by: Andyrew Nov 12 2006, 10:05 PM
Awesome!!
All to familiar..
Now the hard part... Getting it how you want...
THEN making it the SAME on the other side.
Posted by: Andyrew Nov 12 2006, 10:07 PM
Scott. John Kelly is the name you want.
The metal is consistant, actually as you go from a flat metal to a rounded metal, the metal becomes stronger, yet ever so slightly thinner.
Posted by: PanelBilly Nov 12 2006, 10:21 PM
You can get an optional hard rubber plug that threads onto the palm hammer. We use them at work for pressing in PVC t-mold. The plug has about a 1.25" diameter and the impact is spread out much more than the nail fitting
Posted by: trekkor Nov 12 2006, 11:19 PM
Pretty good.
Keep going.
KT
Posted by: So.Cal.914 Nov 13 2006, 01:11 AM
I kind of like that baby GT flair look, keep up the good work.
Posted by: John Kelly Nov 13 2006, 08:17 AM
Way to go Mike! There are a couple of ways to smooth that are faster than hammer and dolly...without a planishing hammer. The first one is a slapper replacing the hammer. It covers more area than a hammer head, so each blow is slightly more effective. The second way is to make a nearly flat die to fit over the bolt in your palmnailer. First use the carriage bolt or my updated tooling (see my album link below) to stretch, then use the nearly flat die (with sand bag on the outside) to go over the area you have stretched. This will do a lot of smoothing for you. Make sure the sand bag is packed really tight with sand. Has your carriage bolt shaft mushroomed yet? I started using a grade eight bolt and homemade dies instead...holds up better. Maybe the rubber die that panel billy mentioned could be used with a piece of hard plastic held on the out side of the fender to smooth after the initial stretching? Depends on how hard, wide, and flat it is.
John www.ghiaspecialties.com
http://allshops.org/cgi-bin/community/communityalbums.cgi?action=openalbum&albumid=9980138836765
Posted by: dmenche914 Nov 13 2006, 08:27 AM
Just remove the flares off that black car in the background, and weld them on!!!
Nice job at it. do you plan any heat treatement to soften the metal up? Too much streching of the steel might allow it to crack later. Maybe get it hot, then slow cool????
Posted by: jsteele22 Nov 13 2006, 10:40 AM
John www.ghiaspecialties.com
http://allshops.org/cgi-bin/community/communityalbums.cgi?action=openalbum&albumid=9980138836765
John, I love that thrift store purse idea. CSOB points to you.
Mike, nice work. Keep the pics coming.
Posted by: John Kelly Nov 13 2006, 12:59 PM
dmenche914, heat is not required. The metal will take a lot of stretching before any failure...especially if you smooth the metal betweeen stretching sessions.
jsteele22, It's a fine line between cheap and frugal (smile).
John www.ghiaspecialties.com
Posted by: jsteele22 Nov 13 2006, 05:11 PM
jsteele22, It's a fine line between cheap and frugal (smile).
You mean like giving the purse to the wife as a Christmas gift ?
Posted by: Mueller Nov 13 2006, 05:43 PM
thanks for the replys.....
John, would small steel shot work better in the bag?
I'm not a fan of the sand dust.....
Posted by: George H. Nov 13 2006, 05:48 PM
Mike work looks great
after you polish your skills on yours , can i send you 2 rear qtrs that you can turn into a couple of johns flares? 
Posted by: GWN7 Nov 13 2006, 06:00 PM
thanks for the replys.....
John, would small steel shot work better in the bag?
I'm not a fan of the sand dust.....
Dampen the sand with a spray mister as you load it in the bag......
Posted by: Mueller Nov 13 2006, 06:25 PM
thanks for the replys.....
John, would small steel shot work better in the bag?
I'm not a fan of the sand dust.....
Dampen the sand with a spray mister as you load it in the bag......
it's a sealed leather'ish bag I got from MarkD
Posted by: BMXerror Nov 13 2006, 06:38 PM
HEY! DID YOU TAKE MY PURSE!?!?!
Mark D.
Posted by: bernbomb914 Nov 13 2006, 06:56 PM
mike do you have a links ecu sitting around?
Bernie
Posted by: Andyrew Nov 13 2006, 07:03 PM
jsteele22, It's a fine line between cheap and frugal (smile).
You mean like giving the purse to the wife as a Christmas gift ?
Honey, I got you a new purse
Why is it full of sand? What good, nevermind.
*SMACK*
*THUD*
Ohh.. a wallet! I think i'll go get me a purse!
*groan*
Posted by: John Kelly Nov 14 2006, 07:45 AM
Hi Mike,
I have lead shot in one of mine and it is heavy! If you get the low silica sand you should be OK with sand. I use something called green diamond abrasive. It is supposed to be low silica.
Another option is to use a thick rubber pad or multiple layers of leather to absorb the hammer blows instead of a sand bag. I used rubber wrapped in leather for my homemade metal shaper. See attached picture. The same principal as fender stretching.
I just realized this picture shows it before I changed the shot dolly out for rubber wrapped in leather. Oh well, you get the idea.
John www.ghiaspecialties.com
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Posted by: rick 918-S Nov 14 2006, 07:58 AM
i've used corregated card board box material to hammer shape by hand and with an air hammer.
Posted by: Mueller Nov 18 2006, 01:26 PM
non-club member Jerry McCarthy (sp?) is hammering away as we speak....
Posted by: Andyrew Nov 18 2006, 01:27 PM
I have all those tools!!!!
lol
Cool beans!
Posted by: Mueller Nov 18 2006, 01:36 PM
a few more pics....
Posted by: Mueller Nov 18 2006, 02:48 PM
Posted by: i love porsche Nov 18 2006, 03:25 PM
those look awesome
i love those wheels and tires too..i have those tires on my 924S, theyre awesome
Posted by: JPB Nov 18 2006, 03:33 PM
Nice work 
Posted by: Aaron Cox Nov 18 2006, 07:11 PM
MOAR PICSHORES
why arent you beating on them? he owe you money? LOL
Posted by: Mueller Nov 18 2006, 07:37 PM
MOAR PICSHORES
why arent you beating on them? he owe you money? LOL
It's not my "thing"....I've learned to have a pro do certain jobs
Posted by: Mueller Nov 18 2006, 07:39 PM
no body filler....all metal formed....the black is just a guide coat to cut down on the reflections and to see the metal better.....more work on Sunday
Posted by: mikez Nov 18 2006, 07:59 PM
Wait a minute...YOU HAVE a running 914?
BTW....looks bad ass.....
Hey how are the Vasek Pollak license frames coming????
Posted by: John Kelly Nov 18 2006, 10:00 PM
Man's got skills!
John www.ghiaspecialties.com
Posted by: SGB Nov 18 2006, 11:08 PM
It's BEATifull!
Man-o-man.
Thats oh so good.
Posted by: whitetwinturbo Jul 9 2017, 06:30 PM
Posted by: SirAndy Jul 9 2017, 06:53 PM
This thread is 11 years old ...
Posted by: r_towle Jul 9 2017, 08:53 PM
Does it run yet?
Posted by: jim_hoyland Jul 10 2017, 08:23 AM
Please update with a current pic...the workmanship is fantastic
Posted by: Mueller Jul 10 2017, 08:34 AM
Please update with a current pic...the workmanship is fantastic
Car totaled by a deer by new owner when i sold it in '07
Posted by: pete-stevers Jul 11 2017, 04:09 PM
By the time every thing was said and done... would you do it again.. or pony up for a set of AA flares?
I know 11 yrs ago there were no steel flares floating around for 1000 bucks....
Posted by: Mueller Jul 11 2017, 04:17 PM
By the time every thing was said and done... would you do it again.. or pony up for a set of AA flares?
I know 11 yrs ago there were no steel flares floating around for 1000 bucks....
Steel GT flares I would say now.
Posted by: Garland Jul 11 2017, 04:56 PM
By the time every thing was said and done... would you do it again.. or pony up for a set of AA flares?
I know 11 yrs ago there were no steel flares floating around for 1000 bucks....
There was 14years ago, i got a set back then, used them on my Build-Off car. Heres the 914club post: (GT sets went for $2300 then)
Apr 7 2003, 11:07 PM
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Any one get the email from George Hussey in regards to the completion and subsequent sale of the infamous AA 914 fender flares??
Ready to purchase at $995.
CCLinLOO
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