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Posted by: rigglet Nov 29 2006, 03:44 PM

Hi everyone! I am a brand new 914 owner and I just found your excellent site. I have wanted one of these cars for a long time now and I have finally made the jump.

My question is this. The person I purchase the car from had lost the original keys. They had some keys made up, but they are only valet keys. I have ordered some replacement master key blanks. Am I able to use the valet key to create the master key? Or will the locksmith need to tear apart one of the locks in order to create the master?

I look forward to all the information that I know is available on this site.

Thanks for taking time to answer my question.

Posted by: ejm Nov 29 2006, 04:16 PM

Yes, the cut is the same, it is the profile of the blank that is different.

Posted by: rigglet Nov 30 2006, 06:06 AM

That is awesome news!

Thank you!!!

Posted by: Headrage Nov 30 2006, 08:52 AM

Posted by: mrhurtalot Nov 30 2006, 01:05 PM

strange. all i have is the master keys.

can i get valet keys made?

or is that a stupid question.

Posted by: JmuRiz Nov 30 2006, 01:11 PM

Good news, I have a fatter key (stock girth) and a skinny key (toothpick thin, probably from so many copies over the years) that came with my car, the fat one starts the car but doesn't unlock the doors (valet?) and the skinny one does all, but is so toothpick thin that it looks like it'll break.

Think I can use my fat key and make a new master key from it?

Posted by: HeloMech Nov 30 2006, 01:46 PM

Wow, really? I have a very nice valet key. The master is twisted and worn down nearly smooth on the teeth surface. I already bought both the red/black blanks but have been hesitant to have them cut. So, I can take my nice red valet key and have my other two keys cut from that?

If so, that rocks...

Posted by: Porsche Rescue Nov 30 2006, 04:20 PM

Valet (red) key fits only doors and ignition. This is so the "valet" cannot easily get to your stash(es) in the glove box, front and rear trunk (these are '70's cars afterall).Only the black key will open those and the doors, ignition.

Posted by: jim_hoyland Nov 30 2006, 08:37 PM

How does that work ?

Posted by: markb Nov 30 2006, 08:56 PM

The red key has a slot that the black key does not. In the glove box and trunk locks, there is a wafer that has a protrusion that keeps the wafer from moving unless it is pushed. The black key will push it, the red key, because of the extra slot, will not. I hope this makes sense.

Posted by: HeloMech Nov 30 2006, 08:57 PM

So then that would confirm that I can take my red key to cut my black key. The black key would then work because of the extra slot that runs the length of the key.. er, horizontal... in a juxtaposition to the length of the key? lol.

Posted by: jim_hoyland Nov 30 2006, 09:01 PM

That makes sense. One other question: my ignition key ( 1975 914 ) is a VW key and quite unlike the red or blank keys. Were the ignition switches interchangable ? I want to go back to the original set up; can I still replace the ignition switch and use the original type key ?

Thanks, Jim

Posted by: markb Nov 30 2006, 09:10 PM

Glad it makes sense to someone other than me.

HeloMech, you are correct, making a copy to a black key will work all the locks. It has everything to do with the slots on the key.

Jim, some of the VW ignition locks can be re-keyed to a Porsche key, but there are a lot of exceptions. Most of the newer replacement VW locks I have run into can't easily be taken apart to re-key. Your best bet would be to find a Porsche lock and have it re-keyd to match the doors. If your ignition key matches the other locks, then it's just a matter of getting the new blank and cutting it. I'm guessing it doesn't match the rest of the locks. Is this correct?

Posted by: jim_hoyland Nov 30 2006, 09:29 PM

Here's a pic; I have two red key, one for each door and they open the trunk. The black key is for the glove box lock and doesn't match anything else. And, the VW key....


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Posted by: markb Nov 30 2006, 10:12 PM

Hmmm, looks like you've got a real mish-mash. My opinion is to get a new Porsche ignition lock, and have everything else keyed to it, since most are going to need to be rekeyed anyway.

Posted by: jim_hoyland Nov 30 2006, 10:15 PM

Next Project...any recommendation on where to purchase ?

Posted by: markb Nov 30 2006, 10:22 PM

Any of the usual suspects. I personally use GPR the most, but that's just me.

Posted by: Doug Leggins Nov 30 2006, 10:23 PM

I agree with Ed's comment. The cut is the same, the key blank profile is what allows the valet key to function as it does.



Where are you located in Indiana?

Posted by: Eric_Shea Dec 1 2006, 11:07 AM

Excellent thread. Answering questions and welcoming newbies. That's what this club is about

Posted by: mr914 May 22 2015, 01:41 AM

This is such a great thread, but it raises a question that after searching I cannot find.

So...

In which position (of the 5, one being all the way in the front and 5 being by the handle) is the valet wafer located?

And is there a associated wafer number (size) to the vallet wafer?

Just rekeying the locks on #269

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