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Posted by: Misha Jan 4 2007, 11:02 AM

If i recall correctly, there were at least 3 pink 98 cars with almost sequential Vin numbers.
That would indicate some intentional involvement of Porsche.

Misha

Posted by: Lawrence Jan 4 2007, 11:03 AM

AUBERGINE. I do not own a purple car.

Posted by: Eric_Shea Jan 4 2007, 11:11 AM

That is true.

How about dedicating a certain amount of time per day to hit some of these front page threads with your expertise? A sure fire way to become "accepted" in the community is to become a valuable member of the community. None of us are on the phone right now...

Rusty, have you uttered the word "Aubergine" in Alabama yet? That would show your Yankee roots straight away.

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 4 2007, 11:21 AM

Of course aubergine is aubergine! Never anything else!!!!!!! That was a 911 color which was not paint to match! I remember fondly my 1973 aubergine 911t targa!
I was writing about some horrendous but delightful grape paint to match purples!!!!! NOT that beautiful beautiful Aubergine!!! (I even like sepia brown on 914s!)

Posted by: Eric_Shea Jan 4 2007, 11:23 AM

You are sick...

That does it!

Posted by: Lawrence Jan 4 2007, 11:24 AM

You're a good sport, George.

Nice to have you here. I like the idea for a thread for "Ask the Doctor". That way, you can participate as you're able.

Nobody with a day job could possibly answer every thread...

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 4 2007, 11:25 AM

I will certainly see what I can do.
Looking at that gold 914 world, maybe we could get that badge made in india so that members could attach it to their 914s? It would not look out of place that is for sure.

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 4 2007, 11:30 AM

Thank you for your kind remark Lawrence. Yes I would be more than happy to work the thread "ask the doctor" I did not want to assume anything though, and CERTAINLY did not want to be arrogant!!!!!!!!

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 4 2007, 11:33 AM

Hi Misha. I would think that some corporation probably ordered the sequential cars. Something like Mary Kay (although I know that they only ordered cadillacs back then!)

Posted by: rmital Jan 4 2007, 11:40 AM

....thanks for mentioning that one boxstr....sounds useful.

Posted by: Eric_Shea Jan 4 2007, 11:42 AM

Run with it...

Posted by: Coy Jan 4 2007, 11:49 AM

I probably shouldn’t say anything, but here’s my 2 cents…

I have worked for years for a company that really values customer service. Nothing pisses me off worse than to get poor service. Mostly because I feel a need to provide courteous and professional assistance to every customer, because that’s how I grew up in a manufacturing/sales industry. With that said; I am sure that in the 18 years of my professional career, I have pissed a number of people off. Would I do it on purpose? Well, maybe. Would I do it on my best day with a client that I really connected with? Well of course not. Would I try to fix it if I could either way? Well I hope so.

I bought about $1600 worth of parts from AA for my first 914 back in 1993-94. That may not be a lot of money to you rich bastards, but it certainly was to me (considering I only paid $1700 for the car). The guy on the phone was generally a dick, but they got me the parts I needed in the time they said they would. I don’t have to like the guy to order parts I need, and he doesn’t have to like me. It’s always nice when we get along, but I buy thousands of dollars worth of gas every year from people I don’t even know. Anyhow… I had a problem with a brake caliper and I tried to return it about 6 months later. They didn’t like that it had been so long, but after a little grief they did me right. All my parts worked and I loved my car again.

This year… The weekend before WCC06 my driver’s side door latch broke. I couldn’t be the only guy in Portland with a car he couldn’t open from outside with the window up. So I called up Automobile Atlanta… I was panicked. I called AA and they sent me two latches for a reasonable price, right on time. I also ordered a new interior light, and it’s a thing of beauty. I fixed the door and enjoyed a wonderful weekend of 914 love, with a bunch of other crazies.

Automobile Atlanta is a company with a bunch of people who work there. They each have good days and they have bad days. So do I. I still have my 1993 Automobile Atlanta catalog ‘cause it’s got 100 great 914 tips. To tell you the truth I’m not so impressed with the counter help at my local NAPA store either, but I buy parts from them. They have good parts… and they aren’t bad people. I don’t go hang out at their house on the weekend, but I'll buy car and motorcyle parts from them.

And that's all I got to say about that…

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 4 2007, 11:49 AM

I have the man to make it if someone has a sample and the club approves!

Posted by: faux916 Jan 4 2007, 11:56 AM

Well Dr. I have this rash that.... Nevermind,I will just get an over the counter cream

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 4 2007, 11:57 AM

I like the humor!

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 4 2007, 12:05 PM

Great thoughts Coy. Certainly a very reasonable man you are. I deal with CARS in New Jersey for my 64 Buick Riviera parts to restore my Dad's original car. Unbelievable "you know whats" as you say. Yet they have all of the parts I need. However what really irritates me the most about that company is that no one knows ANYTHING about the car even though they profess to be the authorities! A real joke. I really do not mind being abused by them while trying to order parts, but the non knowledge is the capper. A simple question like "how many do I need" or "what clip do I need" goes unanswered!!!!! I ended up buying two other cars for parts bins/models so I will know what is where and how it will go together.
They make our company look like absolute angels, even to t.c.davis!!!!!

Posted by: mikez Jan 4 2007, 12:23 PM

Wanna buy a hat, shirt or coffee mug?

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 4 2007, 12:29 PM

sure sign me up!

Posted by: McMark Jan 4 2007, 01:03 PM

George, don't expect the tech question to come to you. There are plenty here that you can just jump in and answer. You haven't made a single post outside this thread. Time to get out of here and look around.

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 4 2007, 01:18 PM

Thank you very much for the steer Mark. I will see what I can do. I of course cannot give any v-8 conversion advice!!!!!

Posted by: markb Jan 4 2007, 03:54 PM

I am overwhelmed at all of the posts and am afraid that if I replied to them all I would never again have time for anything else!!!!!
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Why should you be any different than the rest of us crazy 914 owners? We seem to live here.
Oh,

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 4 2007, 04:04 PM

[quote name='markb' date='Jan 4 2007, 01:54 PM' post='842597']
I am overwhelmed at all of the posts and am afraid that if I replied to them all I would never again have time for anything else!!!!!
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Why should you be any different than the rest of us crazy 914 owners? We seem to live here.
Oh,
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good point! Just feel like I have an obligation! That is all Thank you for the post.

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 4 2007, 04:06 PM

Hi Everyone. As many suggested I will try to reply to tech inquiries not of this thread and am available at the dr914@autoatlanta.com.
We are in the middle of a rust repair right now if you need any tech pictures. We are installing left and right floor pans and are reconstructing the right rear longitudinal.

Posted by: faux916 Jan 4 2007, 04:22 PM

Rust repair photos are always welcome. That is probably the biggest issue with this little car

Posted by: gary gartner Jan 4 2007, 04:35 PM

First off, I applaud you 'COY' for a well presented comment on the AA love 'em/hate 'em deal, thanks wish I could have put it as well

Second, I have ordered from AA numerous times,( always got what I needed when I needed it) talked to Dr.George a few times and said a prayerful 'thank you' to my copy of 'Tech Tips' when it and the old paper AA catalog got me out of a problem with the car, WAY before I knew that the internet and 914 BBS's even existed.

So, thank you Doctor

Gary

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 4 2007, 04:44 PM

and THANK YOU Gary! And thank you everyone who has helped me survive these last 30 years!!!!

Posted by: Mueller Jan 4 2007, 04:54 PM

I was also thinking that the "pink" 914s could have originally been ordered for Playboy, they used to give thier Playmate of the month (or year or whatever) a car as well.....maybe a dealer special ordered them hoping to get Hugh to buy the cars


oh yea, welcome George.....count me as somebody that has never had a problem with AA...then again I've never bought anything from you, but I'm sure that'll change one of these days if I cannot find my stuff local or on the West Coast...

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 4 2007, 05:14 PM

thank you!!

Posted by: jhadler Jan 4 2007, 06:15 PM

George,

Your rustoration would be a PERFECT thread to start of your own. Post some update pictures, describe what's being done, and everyone will be rivited (or should I say "welded"?) to the thread, eagerly awaiting the next update. Not kidding...



(we're missing a smiley with an angle grinder...)

Hanging out on this thread is just testing the water... Jump on in! We would all love to see the progress of a rust repair or read some technical comments from someone who's been doing this as long as 914's have been on the road...

-Josh2

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 4 2007, 06:22 PM

Thanks Josh. I certainly could have my man Jason begin to send the pics that we send to customers of the progress on their cars. have really turned out some real treasure from true trash. Too bad it damn costs so much to do! He will be back in couple of days and we will see what happens.

Posted by: JPB Jan 4 2007, 07:22 PM

Looks like you got some major fans mister!!!

Ya, me to. J.P. Blouin

Posted by: Headrage Jan 4 2007, 08:21 PM

Tell him to make sure there's no hot dog wrappers mixed in with them...

Posted by: URY914 Jan 4 2007, 08:40 PM

I gotta ask.

Why now? Why are you now coming out and wanting to help everyone after years of silence? There have been well known 914 sites for over 5-6 years now and we've never heard from you. Seems a little odd.

BTW, I've ordered from AA in the past and never had a problem.

Posted by: Mr.C Jan 4 2007, 08:52 PM

Maybe it's not him? Maybe it's Sam......or Alfred? Dr. send me some steel flares and I will be convinced!

Posted by: Part Pricer Jan 4 2007, 09:01 PM

I think the answer is that Rusty took the initiative and http://forum.autoatlanta.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=000607 on the AA site.

Posted by: Pat Garvey Jan 4 2007, 09:08 PM

I've known Jon for many years & I miss that long fingered SOB a LOT!

Posted by: iamchappy Jan 4 2007, 09:40 PM

George, I have been searching for the early original style exterior door handle for the passinger side. (the ones without the casting notch or gap between the seam of the flapper and lockcylinder). The original style came packaged in a gray box with red lettering and the new ones with the notch come in brown.
You by chance wouldnt have any available.
I have purchased 2 off them already and had to send them back because they had the notch.


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Posted by: Pat Garvey Jan 4 2007, 09:43 PM

I've heard some negative things about AA since I've been affiliated with this/THAT site & have kept my mouth shut (for those of you who know anything about me, that's tough for me).

My experiences with AA & George are from the md-90's, and they were positive. My wife was stationed in Atlanta in '94 for 16 weeks. i made the trip from Cincy four times during that period. Each time, I found a way to sneak over to AA. The first time was on a Saturday, and you would have thought I was a long lost friend. Got the full tour from George, though not in the magic room - looked at it from above. Didn't buy a thing, but was treated well.

Second time I got a tour of the "yard" & some 914's under resto. Remember, I was just there for grins. Did buy some rubber pieces & trinkets. Last 2 times were on a Sunday & couldn't believe the 914's that were available for tire kicking. Subsequently bought a couple of minor things from that catalog. In all instances I was treated as a customer should be. No nasy attitudes, not back order problems.

Because I never had a problem, and because years have passed since that period, I've not responded to the negatives.

I don't know the problems that others may/may not have had & I've had none. But, I do sort of wonder why all of a sudden George has appeared. There's no doubt that he has a wealth of tech info we ALL can benefit from, but why after all these years? I've only been associated with this/THAT site for about 10 months, but why now? Marketing opportunity? No problem w/that. What were the bad vibes all about - I never experienced any problems, but that was the '90's.
Pat

Posted by: SGB Jan 4 2007, 09:48 PM

good job Mate.

I really do want to see the rust repair stuff too, George.

Have you ever had a car develop a split lengthwise under the long? I think I did this over bad RR tracks at 50 mph....
the picture is looking up from underneith near the rear of the passenger opening, in front of the firewall, beyond the hole hole. Looks to be under the curved duct coming from the engine compartment carrying heated air.


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Posted by: iamchappy Jan 4 2007, 09:51 PM

My experience with AA was from the late 70's and 80's I always received what I ordered never had a problem and had pleasant phone conversations with George, I looked forward to the catalog every year. Whatever anyone has to say I give him credit for being a 914 pioneer.

Posted by: PinetreePorsche Jan 4 2007, 10:00 PM

Before this thread morphs from the good Dr. himself to rust repair (maybe that could move to its own thread), I'd like to add another voice of welcome. Yes, I've dealt with AA, with a few frustrations but no hard feelings. And maybe nay-sayers could hold thetir tongues for a while (maybe a long while)--after all, we've just seen what not being nice can get us--a temporary shut-down and a scism. Like the title of the book--"Everything I need to know, I learned in kindergarten"--like be nice to your playmates. Of course, those of us who have read and re-read Dr George's Tips book will tell you, they don't teach that stuff in kg. A man of deep experience--lets be friends. -Chris H, in the DC 'burbs, who is now the lucky owner of Geo's first 9014--the silver/black stripe one that was in early promo pics and later in Kit Car Illustrated about 10 years ago! It's undergoing some work, but not quite a restoration--Geo has been very nice and most helpful when I've called AA to get info on the car. (But where did it spend its missing decade?)

Posted by: thomasotten Jan 5 2007, 07:14 AM

Hi George!

Good to see you here! One thing I do whenever I call AutoAtlanta to place an order, I always request to speak to George directly. That way I am dealing with someone who knows what I need, rather than just an order-taker. I want to say this, however: In the early days of my 914 experience (1988-99 era), George's catalog and on-the-phone tech advice was a life saver. For instance, if you had a clutch cable problem, Automotion or Tweek's catalog would tell you to buy their extra-thick welmiester cable. George told me to look at the firewall, and see that the clutch tube needed re-welding. I had to drive my car to and from college, and his advice enabled me to fix some of the problems that had plagued my until-then mistreated 914. There was no internet at the time, so knowledge was something I appreciated tremendously. And even today, that is why I have such a tremendous respect for folks like him, and Jake Raby comes to mind, and all the others who are willing to share their knowledge. Glad to see you here, it seems like the club is more complete now!

Thomas

Posted by: MJHanna Jan 5 2007, 07:24 AM

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 5 2007, 08:58 AM

We are now eating fresh hotdogs on the grille every friday along with the burgers and if you are in town you are certainly invited! "No more of THEM wrappers!"

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 5 2007, 09:00 AM

Thank you Thomas. Great looking car. There is no reason that this club cannot become stronger every day.

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 5 2007, 09:03 AM

the third version of the 9014, the kits made to economically save a derelict, is three quarters of the way to making molds but we are at a stopping point because we do not have a dedicated man to finish the mockup. It looks much more like the 904 that inspired it and has many improvements over the first two designs.

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 5 2007, 09:06 AM

thank you for your kind words. Business has changed over the years of course. We used to place and ad and then mass mail the 914 catalog...simple. These days it is really hard to focus and of course because of the limited 914 numbers out there one is forced (especially when doing porsche ONLY!) to provide for the other models. None of you have heard me say this NOR write this, but the 944 business is just as strong as the 914 business. I have become a real 944 enthusiast not.

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 5 2007, 09:09 AM

thank you . I am HERE for the club.

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 5 2007, 09:12 AM

I did not care for the old sites and frankly had way too much going on trying to rennovate the six houses of which I just closed on the last one at the end of december!!!!! I am now "free at last free at last"

This new site is my personally approved one. (that is my feeling but also a joke for those of you without much of a sense of humor!!!!)

Posted by: faux916 Jan 5 2007, 09:12 AM

I guess it's time we start talking LLC

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 5 2007, 09:15 AM

those flares are really sweet and we have at least thirty sets in stock and one set has your name on it!!!

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 5 2007, 09:16 AM

I am ready.

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 5 2007, 09:23 AM

I will start a new thread with a stream of pics of customers cars coming up. Everyone will be able to see the best and the worst the economical and the expensive.
By the way the Motortrend car sure came out perfectly, not really because of us but because of the fact that it was not that molested. Amazing what can happen when one starts with a reasonable 914. The article should be this month in Motor Trend classic. Should give all of our club members 914s a boost, along with every other 914 owner! We need to get a 914 placed in overhaulin' and/or in a movie!

Posted by: martinef1963 Jan 5 2007, 09:29 AM

Greg - as a relative newbie to the 914 world I've always found this new/old site an invaluable tool. I've been to your Marietta shop twice (the guy from Miami), the last time we met was over Thanksgiving holidays - I was visiting my sister.

You've always have taken the time to explain some trivial stuff and I want to thank you for that. Also your 700 Tech book is full of valuable information - especially for a rookie like myself.

I'm glad to see that you are a member of this forum.

kind regards from sunny Miami

Fernando

Posted by: martinef1963 Jan 5 2007, 09:30 AM

Err, I meant George (see still a rookie)

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 5 2007, 09:42 AM

thank you and will look forward to talking with you the next time you visit. I have a lot to show anyone who visits (including our new sign!!!)

Posted by: faux916 Jan 5 2007, 09:44 AM

George, do you still have your paper catalog? or is it in CD form?

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 5 2007, 09:48 AM

thank you for the frank and candid comments Pat. Long time no see. I am very delighted with this new club and made it my new year's resolution to join and lend my knowledge. I am also freer now of some other heavy real estate obgligations!!!!!!!

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 5 2007, 09:54 AM

Yes a hundred times. This is caused by undrained water sitting in the longitudinal and swelling the joint where the floor pan joins that longitudial We simply repair the long. after removing the floor pan in the area.

Posted by: jasons Jan 5 2007, 09:54 AM

How about a one time buy it today or forget it deal to clubmembers on the flares? 30 sounds like overstock to me!

Posted by: r_towle Jan 5 2007, 09:54 AM

George,
On the windshield seal.

If you have the three parts made (prototyped)
three being the top piece, the corner piece, and the A-pillar piece.
Why not, instead of vulcanizing, make a male/female joint between the corner piece and the other two.
Provide these pieces, along with a can of special glue to the customer.

I would be quite fine with that, provided the rubber was the proper shape.

Rich

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 5 2007, 09:59 AM

Of course this is a very good and logical idea from a thinker, but the reason we are not is because we want a piece identical to the factory one that we can sell to Porsche and to other aftermarket dealers. It is our experience that to get into the door with these people, the seal would have to be dead on identical, and that is what we have achieved.
As you know the originals in the final years were splitting at the same place. We have been pulling apart samples now up at Red's place and are not going to stop until they will not pull apart and then we will have it. the vulcanizing process CAN work to cement these parts together BETTER than the factory piece, and with the length increased to the original factory length, we WILL have a winner.

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 5 2007, 10:02 AM

sure no problem! If I get thirty club members who will buy them today, we will sell all thirty sets for 650. a set. NO PROBLEM! Round them up and I will hire a temp to pack and ship all by the middle of next week! Let's do it!

Posted by: jasons Jan 5 2007, 10:12 AM

I would commit to a set at that price.

Posted by: Paul Illick Jan 5 2007, 10:20 AM

Yeah, even though I feel like I just got "Jake Raby-ed", I'd commit too.

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 5 2007, 10:33 AM

Please please please do not get me wrong. I HAVE to hold the price for our wholesalers!!!!!!!!!!!! (Dave at GPR would kill me if I reduced our price for anyone one at a time!!!!) I am not the type of guy who shoots from the hip. I would rather not break the price at all except to our wholesalers, really and they will sell you a set cheaper than we would or could! (again to protect them) so PLEASE understand that.

Posted by: jasons Jan 5 2007, 10:43 AM

As much as I would love a set of steel flares for $650, I don't see 30 people with cash in hand ready to buy on short notice anyway.

Whats the current price on them and whats the best price you can do?

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 5 2007, 10:55 AM

My good friend Dave at GPR has several sets in stock and would be more than happy to give any individual club member a deal including reduced shipping because he is right there in California!!!
Dave really tries hard to please everyone (except he just has a hard time pleasing his TWO ex wives) and will always go out of his way for ANY customer. Bottom line: In my opinion he is a good kid!

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 5 2007, 02:38 PM

we will be posting a series of repair photos late next week for anyone interested. Any questions after reviewing the pics will certainly be addressed.

Posted by: 914rat Jan 5 2007, 03:25 PM

I won't go int detail but I also was mistreated as a customer.On the other hand George has a very extensive knowledge of 914's and his Tec tips 700 is a must have as a companion to a Haynes manuel.I used to believe that George was the 914 GOD, now I think that SATAN has entered the building.Be careful, It would take a lot more than some free tech advice for me to do business with AA again.However it took some balls to make an apperance here and I respect that.Here's to ya George and

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 5 2007, 03:34 PM

I am here to address all issues openly and honestly. Please let me have it!

Posted by: jhadler Jan 5 2007, 04:36 PM

I'd say that you're getting a relatively gentle go of it here George. Some vitriol is coming out in this thread, but nothing like what I thought would.

I'm happy you're on the forum here, and I think we'll all benefit from your knowledge and experience. I can't say that I'm a happy or satisfied AA customer though. I've had some not so good customer service from AA in the past. And there are many people with much more heated opinions about AA than myself.

That being said, I'm glad you're here, and I hope only good things come of it.


-Josh2

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 5 2007, 05:00 PM

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I am here to address all issues openly and honestly. Please let me have it!
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I'd say that you're getting a relatively gentle go of it here George. Some vitriol is coming out in this thread, but nothing like what I thought would.

I'm happy you're on the forum here, and I think we'll all benefit from your knowledge and experience. I can't say that I'm a happy or satisfied AA customer though. I've had some not so good customer service from AA in the past. And there are many people with much more heated opinions about AA than myself.

That being said, I'm glad you're here, and I hope only good things come of it.


-Josh2
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thanks Josh for the straight foward honesty. Good things will come this year to all 914 owners. We plan on another great 914 magazine article this year.

Posted by: cooltimes Jan 5 2007, 05:41 PM

Anyone running an international business or even an around the corner, neighborhood business, will have complaints and customer's who are never happy no matter the efforts asserted by those running that business.

Some people will never quit complaining how bad the products, service and customer relations are. Generally the business and a bona fide customer will try to work something out that satisfy both their sides.
After a while, like the unhappy customer that has ran out of patience, the business will tend to give up trying to be that customer's best friend and start to ignore. Becomes a battle no one wants.

There of course is a solution. If you don't like the products, service or customer relations, shop somewhere else. Businesses don't have that option because they are in business to sell products, not be blackballing the customer.
In my 914 early years, I spent money at AA when I needed parts which wasn't often as the 914 was a good car. There was no internet where people complained.

Those I knew locally bought parts from AA too. We were happy with the products, the customer service we received and AA grew. If it was the demon some make it to be, the business would be gone long ago and not still growing 30 years later.

I have heard all the vendor's be blasted by a few at one time or another.
Want to bitch and have a reason, get a Yugo.
Real name too. I am a real man and not afraid to tell anyone who I am.
Mike Cooley

PS. Some will be angry at me for telling the truth about how I feel about AA and may stop being a friend. If they do, they were never a friend to start with if what I had to say, had to be approved by them in order to be a friend.

Posted by: Paul Illick Jan 5 2007, 05:54 PM

And that's what a lot of people have done, Mike, gone somewhere else and warned their friends. Which is the entire reason for this discussion, no?

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 5 2007, 06:20 PM

And I for one Mike am angry that you have not come down to see us recently, especially living so close. SHAME on you!

Posted by: URY914 Jan 5 2007, 06:26 PM

!!!!!,!!!!!,!!,!!!!!

Posted by: cooltimes Jan 5 2007, 06:26 PM

Warned? Sounds like blackballing another person to me. Most people move on. I have nothing to gain by saying what I did in my post. My 914 is for sale. $914 so I won't be buying anything from anyone since I am past 70 and just an onlooker.
Best regards,
Mike Cooley.

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 5 2007, 06:31 PM

And I warn you Paul. I have a wealth of knowlege here to share with all!!!!! Beware of the information overload!!!!!

Posted by: black73 Jan 5 2007, 06:31 PM

When I got my 914 I didn't know anything about VWs, Porsches, air-cooled engines, or any vehicle other than a Chevy. In other words I was completely lost when trying to work on a 914. In those days there was no internet, no google or other easy way to get info. Like others have said there was the Haynes manual and there was AA.
I don't remember how I found Automobile Atlanta, but I do know I would have been a very short term 914 owner without them. I never talked to George directly, but I could call and ask countless stupid questions and get helpful advice from anyone I talked to in their service department. They never steered me wrong.
As for bad experiences, I would suspect every business has problems with customer service at some point. I have gone out of my way to patronize some vendors that have come highly recommended, only to be disappointed with bad service. I have been tempted to go online and blast them but chose not to. Some people are just more vocal and vendetta oriented than others, I guess.

Anyway, I just wanted to say , George!

Posted by: Headrage Jan 5 2007, 06:32 PM

I look at it like this, I have only ordered 1 thing from AA about 3 years ago and it was the wrong part. After hearing of all the bad experiences people have had I just chalked it up as a bad investment and didn't bother hasseling over it ($12.00 worth of seals).

BUT, I do know that AA could not stay in business as long as it has if even 10% of the customers had problems (small community and word travels fast).

I'll pick the Dr's brain for technical info and will even add AA to my vendors list as long as things don't go sideways...

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 5 2007, 06:35 PM

Stupid isn't it. We called them on this and they said that the mold casting was bad and that is all we get take it or leave it! Our darn chinese flaps are better than this! I had a good one saved until about four months ago when I swapped the defective new factory one we installed on the Motor Trend car with the perfect one. I am afraid like many you will have to suffer, because the flaw is better that a rechrome and fake rivit. I am sure however that someone will have one new and for sale on e bay sometime soon. Of course the left ones are in the white box and perfect but the flap curve is opposite from the right side. Sorry. (I find myself apologizing for Porsche every day)

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 5 2007, 06:40 PM

You can call me personally any time you have a tech question and I will give you the best answer I know.

Posted by: d914 Jan 5 2007, 06:43 PM

welcome aboard George!!! Will stop by soon, need some parts for the other porsche!!

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 5 2007, 06:52 PM

thank you Gary and thank you for keeping the 914 faith all of these years!!!

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 5 2007, 06:54 PM

Greg my man! My suburu man! Tomorrow should be a very nice day. Will look forward to seeing thebestsalesmenintheworldwhopaysmoreinincometaxthatIearnallyear!

Posted by: grantsfo Jan 5 2007, 07:15 PM

just because this thread is so kookie!

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 5 2007, 07:32 PM

What is even kookier is that we have here is six number 9142430240 with a factory installed 911s 2.4 litre engine!!!!! Just like yours!

Posted by: iamchappy Jan 5 2007, 07:42 PM

Thanks for the reply on the door handles, no one else could answer my question on the notched new ones, and many hadn't even noticed. It seems the chrome plating and the
quality on the new parts is very poor. The new mirrors are sub par also.

"Chalk one up for the Dr."!

Posted by: jasons Jan 5 2007, 07:52 PM

Funny you mention that. I'm picking up a 73.5 2.4 911T 7R long block tomorrow morning. I don't know what I'm gonna do with it, but I'm gettin' it.

Posted by: brant Jan 5 2007, 08:21 PM

Sweet Jason!
I've been looking for one of those
if you ever decide to get rid of it keep me in mind

brant

Posted by: jasons Jan 5 2007, 08:24 PM

I'll definitely let you know. I'm getting it and I'm either going to shelf it for the future or, I'm gonna off it.

Posted by: brant Jan 5 2007, 08:29 PM

If you do decide to off it, make sure you shoot me an email at:
brant914@hotmail.com

I'm going to be building a new 2.0/6 for the vintage car and just started looking for a 73.5 core motor to make it out of.
brant

Posted by: Scott Carlberg Jan 5 2007, 09:27 PM

(SORRY, I just GOTTA)
Could it be that AA is HERE, because B is NO longer HERE????


Ok, back to Welcoming George & sharing your Frustrations with George!

Posted by: Headrage Jan 5 2007, 09:31 PM

I gotta prep my car for bodywork this weekend...

Posted by: scotty b Jan 5 2007, 09:37 PM

There was an allusion to that in the middle of one of George's posts that I wonderd if anyone else picked up on

Posted by: Lawrence Jan 5 2007, 09:39 PM

Gentlemen... please.

Welcome George... or post a concern... or whatever.

But don't hijack this thread. I don't want to close it, but I will if if members sidetrack it.

Posted by: Scott Carlberg Jan 5 2007, 09:48 PM

..Gee Lawrence,
is that a message from OUR club?

I thought - nah Forget that, I was JOKING by implying with the SORRY
and the HIDING behind the couch.

ScottyB was partially right, although I'm Not sure IF George was referring to B or not. Makes NO difference to me actually.
George/AA has decided to join us here, while others have decided to go their own way. Kind of a Freedom of Speech thing, eh?

Posted by: cooltimes Jan 5 2007, 09:52 PM

Not me, said Mike Cooley.
Brad is a 914 owner and a most time friend same as all that allow us to type back at em on our keyboards. Brad gives more than 98% of those whose real names and not real names send across my computer screen.

Brad only needs to get the site log in factor worked out. Can't post without site sending you back to the front door to log in again... and again...Most all 914 users will jump in and out of these 914 places. I would be a dummy not to read all post and make an effort to add some content when there is one to add.

Right now, the biggest issue is the mystery in 914 land is Betty Perrine finishing her adventure of "yard of the month" exclusive on 914World.

Mike Cooley

Posted by: Lawrence Jan 5 2007, 09:52 PM

We're a non-Club... and proud of it.

Posted by: Mike914 Jan 5 2007, 10:05 PM

Hi George, I'll be needing a pair soon!
Mine have daylight showing between the red and amber...

Funny, been busy all week, (long story short, dropped a valve Monday on the '71...) so not checking in here, but yesterday I found my AA t-shirt at the top of the drawer, so wore it all day. (Along with the outline hat I just got from Z.) Today I check in and find George is here! Welcome to the club, hope to see some 914 knowledge flying about.

Posted by: ClayPerrine Jan 5 2007, 10:29 PM

Actually, I am glad you are here Doc...

Back when I first met Betty, I started working on her 914 with her. Coming from a hotrod background (69 Firebird), I really didn't have much of an idea on what I was doing with a 914. Your catalog was a godsend. I used it to figure out how things were supposed to fit together, and to learn about the car.


That was back in 1985-1986. Betty bought a set of sway bars from you, and I installed them. They are still on the car to this day (along with my crappy welding job). I still remember your address at the time... 504 Clay Street. (I wonder why? )

In the last 20 years of fooling with these cars, I have learned a whole lot. But I still have that old catalog around for a reference. The pictures on a computer are good, but a computer is not very easy to carry around in the trunk in case of emergencies. And your catalog never has a dead battery.

I have some bad experiences with your parts guys since, but my overall experience with AA was positive.


FYI.. I have an 2.4L MFI powered 914 /6 conversion, and I just traded the 76 930 engine I had for all the parts to build up a new 2.4L S motor for my car. SO... I have experience with MFI, and I would love to trade a tune up on your 916 for the chance to test drive it.


Welcome Doc.

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 6 2007, 09:18 AM

We could probably make an event our of the 916 resurrection, getting the car driveable, cleaning it to concours perfection and then having the chosen test drive it on a closed course! Glad to see that the passion has inspired you all of these years. Thanks for keeping the faith.

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 6 2007, 09:22 AM

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Thank you very much for the kind words Mike. I sure wish we could make those tee shirts again! With Porsche right here in Atlanta and them very strict about copyright trademark infringement and them CLAIMING the 914 image as their own, if we even THINK about using an image for our own purposes, what ever it may be, they are on us like a fly on it. It is really terrible the way they kill the enthusiasm!!!!!!

Posted by: 9146986 Jan 6 2007, 10:47 AM

I'm glad AA is making all the reproduction parts they do. George is without a doubt a fantastic resource of information regarding these cars we love so much. I'm sure that he will provide a wealth of information and technical advice to this community.

OK, since we are "free" to air dirty laundry....

I remember getting my first AA catalog way back in the early 80's. I couldn't guess at how many hours I spent over the years pouring over that, and other AA catalogs. For many years it was my secret fantasy to pack up, move to Marietta and secure employment at 914 world headquarters.

I had used AA nearly exclusively for repair and maintenenc parts, and purchasing numerous parts for an extensive restoration of my daily driver (and only car) in '84 and '85. Not all transactions were problem free, and any correspondence from me regarding any difficulties, were left with no reply.

In the fall of '92 I had the itch to get a better 914, so I took a trip to visit AA. I've got to say that from my time there at his facility, and during the day and a half I spent there. I was made to feel at home, and George was as friendly and gregarious as a long lost friend. Then I spent (what was it $14,000?) some money getting a car from AA. The car being one they had wrecked and rebuilt, put on steel flairs, cheapo taiwaniese Fuchs knock offs, poorly done five lug conversion (re-drilled four cylinder front rotors with screw in studs, and 911T front calipers that STILL HAD THE SPACERS FOR VENTED ROTORS!!), a poorly done rear five lug conversion, sold to me as an "real" 2.0 when in fact it left the factory as a 1.7, and lets not forget the 3" x 8" hole (in the area now known as the "hell hole") despite the fact that the battery tray and stand had been replaced and new paint, and some nice swiss cheese in the firewall. This was one of the cars in George's special showcase. At the time I'm thinking: This is World 914 Headquarters right? If George has put a high dollar value on this car, it must be worth it right?

Without making any more of a chapter book post. The bottom line is I got a bad deal and AA had no intent of any sort of resolution. They offered to repair the car "at cost", but two subsequent appointments for repairs were cancelled by them.

I would love to be able to purchase parts from AA, however my own concience dictates otherwise. IE: Cheat me once shame on you, cheat me twice shame on me.

After a period of time I thought, well if they sell it on eBay, and I get a fair price, what the hell. I did win three of AA's eBay auctions. The first two transactions went off fine without a hitch, and they even left positive feedback for me. However the third auction they returned my PayPal payment twice, refused to complete the transaction and threatened negative feedback for me if I left it for them, even though I had done all expected. How do you explain this?

I would love to resolve this all and bury the hatchet. How is this possible?

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 6 2007, 11:38 AM

I have always thought you a really great and nice person and that is my opinion of you from the last time I saw you in person. (your ex wife who called me and talked at length does not think so though!!!!!) (I cannot count all of the ex girlfriends who think the same of me though, especially one hall at Sweetbriar!!!!)
Anyway, our most successful ads were featured the car you purchased "should this car be saved" showing the terrible wreck.
Well yes we saved this totalled 914 with a clip and a quick paint job showing everyone that one could repair a car on a budget and enjoy it, but not concours the car. In fact we used the car at Road Atlanta for all of the drivers events because it was not any where near perfect and with flares was perfect to run around the track in the beginners and novice catagories.
You of course saw all of the high color glossies of the disaster wreck that our own Sean perpetrated, and the final result, as well as every other 914 owner who subcribed to the old vw porsche 914 magazine. We had this car parked in our show room because it was one featured in the magazine not one of our concours cars. (in fact we would love to display the 914-6 prototype "as is" in our show room just for what it is!!!!!)
You had the choice of some pristine narrow bodied cars or the fat fendered rebuilt wreck, and being the sporting type you were are? in our opinion, opted for the car that you could run around the track. We all went out to dinner that night and you left a happy man I am sure. The car was sold to you as is, you saw every one of the rebuild pictures, and how far down we took the car to do the work. We have NOTHING ever to hide here.
Well you were still a great customer really loving the car from your own admissions to us for a year and a half, when the fateful call came: George, I removed the back pad and insulator and have found rust holes in the back wall! What are you going to do about it? It was all down hill from there.
Our offer to repair the car at cost was way beyond what any registered state of Georgia used car dealer would do or was even obgligated to do, and the fact that you saw all of the pictures of the totaled 914, knew what we had repaired, personally inspected the car before purchase, and then only called a year and a half later, all lend to a fair deal and fair treatment of you our customer. You also knew my personal opinion and that was that YOU Perry Kiel, needed to purchase a pristine original 914 not a flared rebuilt wreck. (of course the flared cars do look "tough" and our one side of the showroom has four of them in it, so I certainly understood your decision)
You then decided to "take it out on us" anyway way you could when we politely said that we would not repair the backwall rust for free, and for all of these years have tried to do anything to disparage us, including starting a 914 gusiness of your own. (more power to you Perry!) I heard that you sold that car for a lot of money several years later?)
Perry I bear you no hard feelings at all, even though I have read countless disparaging remarks you have published about us, and me!, and know that you are a kind and gentle person. Please get back to the old Perry I knew and we can speak as friends again.
My main fault is my overwhelming trust of EVERYONE, to where I take a man at his word, and have been really abused by some bad employees, and some very bad vendors. But "that is life" and I keep an optimistic attitude. Perry I welcome you back as my friend and hope to hear from you soon. You may e mail me or call at any time.

Posted by: 9146986 Jan 6 2007, 12:13 PM

Thanks for the reply George! You seem to forget the hole in the longitudinal and the rusty inner wheelhouse. These issues were brought to you within a couple months of purchasing the car, and you said you'd fix them, but somehow you couldn't keep the apointments, and my supposition was you had no intent to make good. Yes the firewall problem wasn't discovered for over a year, but the hole in the longitudinal and the rusty wheelhouse were brought to you attention within a reasonable time frame.

I haven't changed who I am or the manner in which I treat anyone.

Disparaging remarks? If you consider factual, truthful information as disparaging, then so be it. I have taken great care to insure that any information I set forth regarding you and AA, to be factual. Please enlighten me and anyone else who may be interested as to any comments I have made in print or otherwise that were not factual.

Stick to the facts George, and the details. I don't care about your relations with employees and vendors, or any conversations you may have had with anyone's ex spouse. I provided specific factual information, and you have spoken in broad generalites with no regard for the specifics.

Immagine my surprise when after a couple thousand miles the front brakes started making really bad sounds, and I find that the front brake calipers still had the spacers for vented rotors? The reason it was making a noise is the one of the caliper pistons had extended so far that the boot for the snap ring came off!

You yourself told me that car was a '73 2.0, when in fact it was a 1.7 that you had swapped for a 2.0.
I trusted that if "Dr. 914" was selling a four cylinder 914 for the amount of money I paid, that it would be put together correctly, and would not have a hole in the longitudinal that you could drop a rachet into. Ask me how I found the hole in the first place?

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 6 2007, 12:39 PM

Yes Perry my friend. The facts are the facts and I will defer to you to have the last post in this exchange. Please call or e mail or come and see me at any time. I will take you out for a drink and we can personally rehash!! You can even hit me if you like!!

Posted by: Lawrence Jan 6 2007, 12:43 PM

Can I hit you, too? I don't have a problem with you... I'm just pissed off.

I just broke my second drillbit of the day... back to Lowes.

-Rusty

P.S. My broken drill bits are SO not 914 related. :hijack:

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 6 2007, 12:50 PM

Funny. As long as you have not broken the drill bit trying to drill out a broken 914 exhaust stud, life will be ok Rusty!!!!!

Posted by: 9146986 Jan 6 2007, 12:53 PM

Thanks again for the reply George! I haven't hit another person in anger since jr high, so that would be about as much of a waste of time as my posts to this thread! Business as usuall

C'mon now did my ex really call you??

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 6 2007, 01:04 PM

That's my old Perry back again!!!! We always had the conversation with all the guys here that she was social climbing! Just again tells us what kind of a guy you are.........you extend great charity to those needy women.

Posted by: 9146986 Jan 6 2007, 07:54 PM

OK, then you send me a set of your steel GT flairs and were even right?

Posted by: dinomium Jan 6 2007, 11:05 PM

Posted by: grantsfo Jan 6 2007, 11:34 PM

So Doc 914. 6 or 4? Whats better?

Posted by: ClayPerrine Jan 6 2007, 11:40 PM

Why don't you get the 916 running, and bring it to one of the many 914 Events. There are a LOT of people who would love to see this car in person, and it would give you time to visit in person with the people who love these cars.


MUSR will be in Austin, TX this year. Get it running and bring it down. I will even make you a deal..if you show up for the MUSR with the 916, I will comp your entry fee.

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 8 2007, 11:16 AM

We would really like everyone to see this car, yes, and thankfully it is not hidden away in some collectors building somewhere! It is in a recognized place for all to see, and the dedicated volunteer help there will be now something on the club site when we get it out and running once again! Taking it anywhere is really taking a chance of its destruction by some waylaid driver, so we don't want to take a chance (to hell with insurance coverage, this one cannot be replaced) and we are again not collectors who take their priceless cars out of hiding to show them occasionally.

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 8 2007, 11:23 AM

If purchasing an unmodified original car, definitely a 914-4 And either a 73 or a 74 as long as the 74 was loaded with all of the equipment that a 73 2.0 came with standardly.
Anyone who is a first time or last time 914 buyer would want a 914-4

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 8 2007, 11:29 AM

I would certainly consider that if you could write one of your very fine installation procedures like the one you posted, for all to share when they install their set.

Posted by: BigDBass Jan 8 2007, 01:55 PM

I finally got around to ordering the Tech Tips book last week. Hopefully it arrives soon, as I'm always eager to try to digest new (to me) 914 wisdom.

So in light of the apparent success of the steel flares group buy, perhaps a group buy to celebrate the new Euro tail light lenses would be in order?

Posted by: rmital Jan 8 2007, 02:03 PM

like the way your thinking......

....looking forward to receiving my Tech book too...

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 8 2007, 02:13 PM

We will see when they arrive if I really like them that much. If they look as good as the samples they will be great!

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 8 2007, 05:56 PM

New 914 Part!

the latest piece to come from our stampings is the 914 floor pan cross member. They are exact and pretty perfect and come in a left and right. As all of you probably know the factory has discontinued this part and the last retail price was over $420.00. Ours are 110 per side and the original part number is 914 501 109 10

Posted by: faux916 Jan 8 2007, 05:59 PM

Good timing.There is a member here looking for those parts!

Posted by: TROJANMAN Jan 8 2007, 06:10 PM

This thread is like one big infomercial

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 8 2007, 06:10 PM

We used to make them by had but that was very time consuming!

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 8 2007, 06:23 PM

Better to get the word out than make anyone suffer from lack of availability. Not like burgers, available on any corner! Wish we could afford to make a lot more parts! (did I ever tell you about the 2000 air guide plates I had made and still have 1500 up stairs waiting for that lonely 914 to come along?)

Posted by: faux916 Jan 8 2007, 07:37 PM

If you got the parts and people need them Why not promote them?

Posted by: scotty b Jan 8 2007, 07:47 PM

Can I assume someone needs my part and start promoting it??

Posted by: Twystd1 Jan 8 2007, 07:47 PM

WHATS AN AIR GUIDE PLATE?

The one under the car??????

C

Posted by: scotty b Jan 8 2007, 07:49 PM

The ones under the cylinders. I think I have about 10 of them in a box myself (used)

Posted by: PORobinSCHE Jan 8 2007, 08:08 PM

George, i commend you for trying to answer all the negatives and positives. i see that you are trying to address everyone's concerns. and yes, you can never please everyone...all the time!
i have never dealt with you, but i am willing to give you a chance. the worst that can happen is you'll lose a customer. the best... you'll gain a friend for life.

so how do i get a catalog and price list?

sincerely

Robin J Johnson

Posted by: faux916 Jan 8 2007, 08:26 PM

Your secret is safe with me! Just kidding!

Posted by: PinetreePorsche Jan 8 2007, 08:48 PM

I got my tech Tips last spring, just before I got called for jury duty. I had a gread day waiting in the extras-jury pool room, reading everything I might ever want to know about my 914. Never got into a courtroom, but had two fine days (they let you go home about 2 pm). Thanks, Geo!

Posted by: cooltimes Jan 8 2007, 09:20 PM

I am using my tip book now. The 106 tips on white paper, stapled.
I am totally stumped. My 914 is a 72 1.7 with FI
I verified my battery is ok and AZ charged it when there checking it. It is a new battery that I ran down just trying to crank.
I put the key in ignition switch and turn to crank.
I hear a single thump which I think is the solenoid activating.
Starter never makes a sound.
Inside the cabin, the generator light is on and both blinker indicator lights are lit.
The fuel pump runs and never switches off as I hold key in crank position.
I have been under the 914 and jump started with screwdriver but still fails to start.
I am reading tip 60 and it says possibly the ignition switch is bad.
Does that sound correct to you?
With both headlights raised and on, the lights go dark as long as I am cranking. Come back on full bright when key is turned to off side.
Any suggestions you think of would be appreciated.
Mike Cooley

1027mcool61@bellsouth.net
I can't hear well so I must do email rather than phone.

"The 1st thing to go is your memory when your 914 won't." MCooley

Posted by: ws91420 Jan 8 2007, 09:26 PM

Mike sounds like to me the starter solenoid is gone or you have hit a dead spot in the starter winding where the brushes touch.

Posted by: thomasotten Jan 8 2007, 09:35 PM

Ok George, tell us about you. Do you have a 914 daily driver? Not your show cars, like a real driver you fancy. What do you drive daily, like with the family (please don't say a Cayenne)? Any German heritage in your background?

Posted by: cooltimes Jan 8 2007, 11:06 PM

I think you are probably right. I look again tomorrow.

Thanks.
Mike

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 9 2007, 08:25 AM

We do! In our giant 914 catalog! Just that some parts are not as popular as others!

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 9 2007, 08:29 AM

yes, many, I am sure, AND, with little promotion!

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 9 2007, 08:32 AM

either the starter or the engine is locked! A clunk is engine a click is starter.

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 9 2007, 08:44 AM

good questions! I always have a 914 daily driver but unfortunately just sold it a few months ago like a fool with a no questions asked deal, so am back to driving my 61 356 roadster that I have had forever until I get another. Thought I had another in the way of a 33,000 mile yellow 2.0 but that went away also. Soooo I am looking for a good daily 914 driver if anyone knows of one. Don't get me wrong, there are many many 914s here that I could drive buy like goldilocks, I am particular. Not too nice not too rough always fuel injection always as close to original as possible, original color stock interior, I of course like a 2.0 but am very partial to the 76 models as they were the last of the breed and the rarest of all of the four cylinder normal models. Maybe camp 914 could help me out?
My Grandmother on my fathers side was from switzerland (southern switzerland) I think someone crawled over the alps but my grandmother would never admit it! Mainly English and Irish Catholic (you have to put the Catholic in there to differentiate from being an invading englishman in nothern ireland) and my great grandfather Leveaux, fresh of the pickle boat from France fought for the Yankees at Gettysburg.
My Swis grandmother gave my parents in 1960 for their 10th wedding anniversary a 1960 vw beetle and that is where it all started. We had a 60 Buick Lesabre, the year after the height of the winged rebellion, so seeing for the first time a car perfectly sized for an eight year old was fascinating, and seeing how spartain it was in appointments and precise in build set me on a path to love these air cooled cars from Germany

The family has an ML 430 which is great to haul things around, fly down the straight flat interstate to Hilton Head or go fire road touring in North Georgia. I have always liked Mercedes passenger cars for the family.

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 9 2007, 08:55 AM

thank you Robin. Please just provide your address and we will send you the free cd. We print the catalogs now individually and it is a lot of paper and ink so we have to charge 15 bucks but it includes the free catalog cd with the video and for club members is refundable with your first order. Please tell one of us when you car that you are a 914 world member and we will rush out!

Posted by: Aaron Cox Jan 9 2007, 11:52 AM

contribution is such a cool thing



iff people need em... why not get the word out? no different then eric selling caliper rebuilds etc.... or cross promoting your business in your sig etc.... its all accepted



word.

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 9 2007, 12:04 PM

I hate to commercialize my posts because this is a club and I really just want to give guidance and tech advice and let people know that parts ARE available without having to struggle for them. That is all. We have PLENTY of sales everyday without having to be here trying to get more. (we LOVE 944 owners!!!!)

Posted by: Ferg Jan 9 2007, 12:07 PM

I wanna see some specific threads with pics for a few of your unique 914's... like the motor trend, the last six, the sporto, ect.

I realize that is asking a bunch, but some up to date pics and historical pics would be cool.

Ferg

Posted by: Thomas J Bliznik Jan 9 2007, 12:14 PM

Hi George,

I just posted my thanks to you & AA on the flare post. Glad to see you joined this forum.

AA has always been good to me on parts & service. When I restored my 914 back in the late 90's, George gave me valuable advise. It was appreciated.

Tom

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 9 2007, 12:19 PM

there are some good articles on the autoatlanta.com website! (and some pics of individual cars)

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 9 2007, 12:21 PM

Thank you Tom. We appreciate someone like you who deeply cares about making a 914 pristine no matter what the cost!

Posted by: jasons Jan 9 2007, 12:22 PM

Ironic, sometimes I hate being one..... I'm the victim of an 89 S2

Lets see I did:
The clutch when the rubber centered POS failed and The top end when the timing belt failed.

I did both jobs myself and neither were for the faint of heart. (especially the clutch) Oh and I haven't even mentioned the door handles, sunroof, motor mounts, FPR, etc...

944NA's must be dropping off the road like flys. The repairs, especially if you have to farm the whole job out, must effectively total those cheaper cars.

Posted by: jhadler Jan 9 2007, 12:24 PM

Hey George,

Is there a plan to update the AA website? It doesn't seem to have been updated in a while.

No, I'm not offering my services, I'm not a programmer... Just asking is all...

If I had the money to do flares, I'd have jumped at the flare group-buy. Maybe another time though.

Here's a question about the flares though, do you think that a 275 width tire on a 10" rim could fit under those flares? Custom wheel, whatever offset to make it work, but is there enough room??

-Josh2

Posted by: jhadler Jan 9 2007, 12:25 PM

Or they're making their way to the track. The spec 944 class is getting pretty popular...

-Josh2

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 9 2007, 12:28 PM

We are working on an overhaul. It has been band aided to much and therefore we are virtually scrapping what we have in favor of a whole new system. You will see in the next few months.
I know that there is no way the 275 will fit with a ten inch. Sorry! They do make fiberglass extra wide though

Posted by: jhadler Jan 9 2007, 01:03 PM

That's pretty much what I figured. Just had to take a look at it anyway with Hoosier releasing a super short diameter 275/35-15... Now, if they could justrelease a short 245, I'd be thinking about way more seriously. 275 still strikes me as too much rubber for a 100 hp, 2000 lb car...

(this is for a dedicated autox/TT car by the way...)

-Josh2

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 9 2007, 06:03 PM

Another problem that few consider is that with the wider tire and wheel, trememdous strain is placed on the swing arm and chassis, originally designed to wear a complient 165x15 tire! Even the factory installing 225 tires in the rear stiffened the chassis. And the poor swing arm? How to stiffen that without it making it weigh a ton and a half, which puts further strain on the chassis!
Maybe someone out there would volunteer to make an aluminum arm??

Posted by: Dave_Darling Jan 9 2007, 08:35 PM

Somone at one point made a trailing arm out of steel tubing, with an option for aluminum. It didn't sell very well (at all?).

Racer Chris (Chris Foley from http://www.tangerineracing.com) did some internal reinforcements to the trailing arm which helped its stiffness quite significantly and didn't weigh very much. I've also seen the pivot tube gussetted to the main arm to help prevent flexing.

Of course, at that point you probably need to brace the inner ear to the chassis... Which I've seen on some race cars, and everyone seems to have their own ideas about the exact details of how the bracing should be.

You can really go overboard on some of this stuff....

I also know racers who believe that a fresh stock trailing arm, fully re-welded, is the best way to go.

--DD

Posted by: SGB Jan 9 2007, 10:35 PM

I need a set for a 2.0. At least one of the mounting tabs to the heat exchangers is broken on each of mine. how mucho poesos?
I'm serious. Send pm if you don't wanna answer here.

Posted by: autohausdolby Jan 10 2007, 04:38 AM

(Arrives late on thread - waves) Hello!

Posted by: pfierb Jan 10 2007, 08:55 AM

Got rid of my 86 944 turbo as it was a financial time bomb even though it was well cared for and pristine.....I knew what was coming.

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 10 2007, 09:08 AM

Hi Dave glad you are here. It is just my opinion that if someone would make a stock look aluminum arm (just the way porsche did it for the 911 in 1974) The unsprung weight could be reduced and the piece would be a sales hit with stock owners in addition to the racers.

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 10 2007, 09:10 AM

good point. It is our opinion that a stock 944 is the most economical Porsche track car anyone could own! AND no one minds abusing them!!!!!!!

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 10 2007, 09:13 AM

Another good point. The turbo although a fabulous car was way to overbuilt with very expensive parts, and therefore bound to fail. NO ONE will be able to afford to restore a 944 turbo in ten years. One reason is that Porsche will not have many parts available for the car!!!!!!

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 10 2007, 09:15 AM

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The ones under the cylinders. I think I have about 10 of them in a box myself (used)
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I need a set for a 2.0. At least one of the mounting tabs to the heat exchangers is broken on each of mine. how mucho poesos?
I'm serious. Send pm if you don't wanna answer here.
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Hi Scott club price 25.00

Posted by: jhadler Jan 10 2007, 11:31 AM

George,

It's not availability that's really the issue. It's legality. Most competition classes that allow for changes to the suspension like that, allow for considerably more than just replacing or reinforcing the trailing arm. And classes where it's not allowed, NOTHING is allowed. Stock is stock is stock. When it comes to rules that regulate the replacement or subsititiution of major suspension components (not counting shocks, sway bars, and the like), it's usually an all-or-nothing kindof deal.
You're either stuck with stock suspension arms andfactory located pick-up points, or you have complete freedom to design your own suspension... Not many classes have room inbetween...

A lot of folks have been playing with the reinforcement issues, and while the trailing arm itself does have weaknesses, I think the weakest link in the chain is the inner mounting ear, and not the trailing arm. Unfortunately, there's very little I can do in my class to reinforce that... Oh well...

And I can only immagine how much it would cost to fabricate (much less -buy-) an aluminum trailing arm for the 914...

-Josh2

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 10 2007, 01:51 PM

dead on with the production costs someone with design and prototype manufacturing capability would have to take it on. I did think however that in sock classes you could do what the factory did ie weld in a chassis kit which reinforces the inner rear suspension attachment (dog ear)?

Posted by: jhadler Jan 10 2007, 02:17 PM

Depends... Many classes only allow what was available off the showroom floor (from the factory) in the US. Unless you're looking at vintage racing groups, it doesn't matter if Porsche did it to the Le Mans cars or not, as those cars couldn't be ordered from a dealership in the US. If you can provide any doccumentation that proves that chassis/suspension reinforcements were available from the factory to a car that was bought off the floor in the US, I will ***PAY*** for such proof with glee. No, really...

Even if it's a TSB that shows that Porsche authorized such modifications after delivery. That would be worth it's weight in 2.0L heads...

-Josh2

Posted by: jasons Jan 10 2007, 02:25 PM

So, would you consider my S2 a car with the potential to appreciate? Its a high mileage but completely unmolested car. It really looks like a 50k mile car.

I mean we are talking 1 of 2000 coupes imported to the US. I'm sure cabs have more of a future, but I don't like convertibles in general. Its not like a 912E which is rare for the wrong reasons, the S2 has more engine, more brakes, more cowbell.

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 10 2007, 02:30 PM

With that said, our so called "last six" here came from the factory with a 2.4 s engine, which would therefore entitle all six cylinder 914s to race a 2.4s in stock classes Josh??

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 10 2007, 02:34 PM

that car is a lot of bang for the buck to be sure, and with inflation 10 grand for a used porsche will always be a bargain, but I cannot see that car nor even the cabriolet appreciating, as they were not uniquely Porsche, and that is air cooled engine behind the seats. the 912e will slightly but because it was such an oddity which no one can ever find parts to repair, this car will stay flat. (obviously no mile original cars will always appreciate buy maybe not as much as their current worth put into the bank and earning interest!

Posted by: jhadler Jan 10 2007, 03:42 PM

Hmmmm, if it can be doccumented that it was built by the factory, and sold as a regular "six", then maybe _that_ car could run as stock. However... if that doccumentation can prove that the factory delivered a standard (and not a special order) 914-6 with a 2.4L motor, then classes that have update/backdate allowances would enable the otherwise 2.0L -6 equipped cars to run the 2.4L...

Interesting...

So... The next question herr doctor, is what documentation do you know of that could give a competitive advantage to my 914 (I compete against E36 Bimmers in my class...)? I'm allowed to update/backdate to anything that came in/on a 914-4 from the factory. TSB's? proof that some US cars were delivered with aluminum suspension? 9:1 motors? Different gear ratios? Smaller gas tanks? Anything that makes the car lighter????? Already have a pair of early doors...

Thanks for the discussion by the way!

-Josh2

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 10 2007, 03:55 PM

yes and then spend the rest of our lives trying to get them to approve the rule change! It is all in the driver anyway! I always said that the most competitive class is that of the 924 racing the 1.7 litre cars!

Posted by: jhadler Jan 10 2007, 04:01 PM

If the proof is in the paper, then it's a done deal. No rule change needed...

And true, it's mostly driver. But when you're going up against the best in the country, and they're puting down nearly twice the power in bigger cars, one looks for whatever advantage one can get. The 914 has the advantage in transition handling, but power/weight is a killer when the course opens up...

-Josh2

Posted by: jasons Jan 10 2007, 04:02 PM

So, because it is a front engined water pumper it has a ceiling on value? You're probably right. I'd like to sell mine, but for the prices people want to pay I can't justify it. 83 NA's going for $2k and less have really damaged the value of my car, regardless of its condition.

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 10 2007, 04:05 PM

you are dead on the money and that car has a lot of bang for the buck so my advice is to keep it! If not you will have to give it away (eight grand max) and take your loses and move forward.

Posted by: scotty b Jan 10 2007, 05:28 PM

944 = GREAT handling, oddball (water cooled front engined) underappreciated, overly abused, NARP (wel it's not a 911 so it's a NARP right?) low valued, cult like following .....HHMMMmmmmm

Perhaps you can tell I disagree with a "ceiling" on the 924/944 in the last 2-3 years these cars have slowed down on DE-preciating and for some reason the 924's are gaining in popularity! Anyone here tried to get a decent price for a 944 turbo engine? I have for about 2 years now! EVERY one I bid on on E-bay brings 1500.00 MINIMUM unless it has a scored wall or some serious issue. 944's are on the rise and I personally see them as the 914 of the future. Really though, do any of you see the 914 ever being werth over 15,000 for a 4 cylinder? Yes some sixes may bring bigger money but I doubt these cars will ever reach "collector" status and moneylike the 356 Speedster. In reality there is a ceiling on ANY standard issue Porsche be it 356,911,914,924,928,944 etc.Only the "special" models will ever achieve high dollar Barrett Jackson status. Just my humble opinion

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 10 2007, 06:07 PM

good positive opinion except for the "automobile atlanta never again" scotty

I know that the turbo engines are going for a lot because they are rare and all worn out now and no one can afford a rebuild. Just like I said the turbos will all bite the dust in ten years because there will be scant new parts available and at a very very high price. As well because of the rarity, the used parts will evaporate also and no one will take on making expensive and sophisticated parts for this model. For example did you know that the electronic heating ac control has been discontinued? It was a cheaply made not to be rebuilt part to begin with and all of the used are mostly junk as well. What is one to do driving a steel roofed coupe with a hot glass back window and no air in the south???? PARK IT!

Posted by: scotty b Jan 10 2007, 06:19 PM

[quote name='dr914@autoatlanta.com' date='Jan 10 2007, 04:07 PM' post='846138']

good positive opinion except for the "automobile atlanta never again" scotty

In my defense George, I did have exclamation points there BEFORE you signed up. I have since changed them to the question marks. I'm giving you guys a 5th chance ! Hell I even got in on the flare buy Got any 951 engines for cheap?

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 11 2007, 08:51 AM

[quote name='scotty b' date='Jan 10 2007, 04:19 PM' post='846144']
[quote name='dr914@autoatlanta.com' date='Jan 10 2007, 04:07 PM' post='846138']

good positive opinion except for the "automobile atlanta never again" scotty

In my defense George, I did have exclamation points there BEFORE you signed up. I have since changed them to the question marks. I'm giving you guys a 5th chance ! Hell I even got in on the flare buy Got any 951 engines for cheap?
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Hi Scotty. We do have a low mile engine (87 with just over 50,000) but do not know anything about it other than that and I think that the front pwr steering bracket is broken off and another one that was in a fire. So both probably have good parts on them. 500 for either.

Posted by: pfierb Jan 11 2007, 09:11 AM

I doubt very much if 944 turbos will be 914s of the future....they are just so expensive to maintain,even if you can get the parts.......Just take a look at the cooling system parts blow up it is a plumbing nightmare just to replace those parts will cost you about half of what the car is worth......I owned one and it was a wonderful handling road car quiet and composed able to leap long distances in a single bound.....but look out for the repair costs.

Posted by: jasons Jan 11 2007, 09:53 AM

I know a clutch job can total an NA if the owner can't do the work. And that would be most owners. I suppose there will always be a core of ownership thats resourceful and can do their own work. Even with my S2, if I couldn't do the work, I would be eating major shit on it. But I'm in the same boat with my 914.

I had to hunt down a 944 driver door handle last month. I called most major Pcar junkyards and none of them had one and they said they leave as fast as they come in. New door handle = $250. Finally, I found a pair on ebay and closed a deal at $125 for the pair.

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 11 2007, 10:04 AM

and what is really tragic, is that the cars never rust and we have whole cars never been hit in our "junk yard" with bad cylinder heads or transmissions or ratty interiors that we have purchased for 300 bucks, and no one will EVER want to restore them!!!!!!!!!!! Just like you said, a simple clutch job totals the car! And it is a Porsche imagine that. Seems these cars are going the way of the 924. (the 928 is as well)

Posted by: jasons Jan 11 2007, 10:33 AM

If the motor on my S2 went totally belly up, which it almost did, I would start looking at a V8 conversion. An S2 or Turbo S is a great platform for a V8.

My car spun teeth off the timing belt when I started it one morning. I bent all 8 exhaust valves. This car also had the chain tensioner fail on the PO. He was a Dr, and bought a brand new head and cams from Porsche. His mechanic had the old head and made me a good price on the valves and loading my head with the valves. Otherwise, new valves = $98 each.

The belt had approx. 40k miles on it according to the PO's records. If Toyota can make a belt last 80k, why can't Porsche?

They are great cars as long as you feed them timing belts, PS racks, replace the stupid rubber clutch, motor mounts, and fix your leaky oil pan. Watch out for your door handles, the climate control ($$$), the and the sunroof gears.

Posted by: Eric_Shea Jan 11 2007, 10:39 AM

I've always wanted to strip and build a 924/GT. Way cool car for the track.

Front engine. Rear Tranny. Read Mr. Elford's book about that combo.

Posted by: jasons Jan 11 2007, 10:48 AM

Thats all 924/928/944/968's But yeah, the 924/GT is bitchin. You could build a nice replica from a 924S. Over on rennlist about 2 years ago, a guy gave away his 924/GT replica project for free.

Posted by: 914-8 Jan 11 2007, 12:14 PM

All the 924/944/968 cars are dead men walking.

Ironically, the reason is because they are NARPs. Real Porsches get rebuilt when they wear out. 924/944/928 get sent to the boneyard at the word "Boo!"

Posted by: 73Phoenix20 Jan 11 2007, 01:38 PM

Here's a photo for a fellow originally from CT! Enjoy!

Hope I can make my next 2.0 look as nice!




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Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 11 2007, 01:50 PM

wow wow wow truly a man after my own heart!!!!!! (except for those low low profile tires and euro lenses!) I had a series of silver 76 models and always really loved the cars. Thanks for the memories!

Posted by: 73Phoenix20 Jan 11 2007, 02:01 PM

He, He! ;>))

I got the nearly new Yokohama 205/50's for free with the perfect set of original Fuchs Alloys; being of the notoriously cheap 914 personality, I couldn't bear to throw them away and remount some TALL rubber, so there you are!

And, like the tires, the Euro Lenses came with the car when I bought it...

I actually had tracked down a set of mint NOS USA lenses (f & r), but never got around to installing them... I gave the new owner the choice, and he wanted the Euro lenses, so go figure!

Good to have you on the Site, George!

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 11 2007, 04:20 PM

you know of course what a weird concours stickler I am ! Just say go to hell dr 914!!!! Great car.

Posted by: pfierb Jan 11 2007, 05:11 PM

God but I remember those toll booths on the Merritt Parkway I think the toll was .10 cents.... Still a very pretty road.

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 11 2007, 05:22 PM

Ever since I threw my shoe out of the window of our 53 buick the merritt parkway makes my spanked butt hurt!

Posted by: 73Phoenix20 Jan 11 2007, 09:47 PM

God but I remember those toll booths on the Merritt Parkway I think the toll was .10 cents.... Still a very pretty road.

Paul: You should connect with Kevin Dunn in Stratford; he now owns my 73 2.0 as pictured next to the old CT Turnpike. I'm sure he would enjoy talking 914's! I think he is on here under his name... maybe you can PM him.

Of course, I miss Max, but I think Kevin is the one to take over custody for the foreseeable future...

Posted by: gregrobbins Jan 11 2007, 10:03 PM

Well, your wrong about the 968. It is an ARP built in the factory at Stuttgart. The assembly line was shut down after the 1995 run to start building the 986 (Boxster).

Here is a picture of my "real Porsche"


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Posted by: 73Phoenix20 Jan 11 2007, 10:12 PM

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Well, your wrong about the 968. It is an ARP built in the factory at Stuttgart. The assembly line was shut down after the 1995 run to start building the 986 (Boxster).

Here is a picture of my "real Porsche"
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Yep, 968's all have the "S" in the VIN, and were built at Stuttgart...

But a lot of folks seem to find reasons to force themselves to like the 911's and Boxsters more... i.e. the recent article in Excellence on 911 vs. 986 vs. 968

BUT... mine says "Porsche" right on the engine cover, so that's gotta count for somethin'!!!



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Posted by: Aaron Cox Jan 12 2007, 12:48 AM

they stopped being porsche when they introduced water.... LOL

Posted by: So.Cal.914 Jan 12 2007, 01:17 AM

Well that and some damn fool decided that mid and rear engine placement

was not good enough.

Hey George nice to see you here, by the way hows my money? Sent alot of

it to you over the years, they don't call they don't write...

Posted by: 73Phoenix20 Jan 12 2007, 08:18 AM

He, He!!!

Funny how now, ALL Porsches are water pumpers!

Let's discuss the relative thermal efficiency of liquid cooling vs. air cooling systems

No, let's not even go there! Just enjoy our variety of toys!

Oh, well, half the fun of the hobby is trying to define the differences!

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 12 2007, 08:34 AM

[quote name='73Phoenix20' date='Jan 11 2007, 08:12 PM' post='847008']
[/quote]
Well, your wrong about the 968. It is an ARP built in the factory at Stuttgart. The assembly line was shut down after the 1995 run to start building the 986 (Boxster).

Here is a picture of my "real Porsche"
[/quote]

Yep, 968's all have the "S" in the VIN, and were built at Stuttgart...

But a lot of folks seem to find reasons to force themselves to like the 911's and Boxsters more... i.e. the recent article in Excellence on 911 vs. 986 vs. 968

BUT... mine says "Porsche" right on the engine cover, so that's gotta count for somethin'!!!
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Granted the 968 is a fabulous car, so fabulous that they should have exported production to mexico, lowered the price and continued to make it. Too bad though even they have no resale. We sold a 50,000 mile cabriolet last year for 9500.00

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 12 2007, 08:35 AM

air cooled, engine behind the seats made Porsche unique, and that uniqueness has been lost along with the simple quality of the build. Tragic.

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 12 2007, 08:37 AM

Hi Paul! It has been spent on new products. Just wait to see what I am posting later today!!!!!!!! Thank you for hanging in there with your 914 all of these years. Our kind of guy!

Posted by: jasons Jan 12 2007, 08:39 AM

I own a 944S2 but I still think real Porsches are air cooled. I also think the last real 911 was the 89 Carrera. But I do like the RSA's.

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 12 2007, 08:59 AM

I totally agree. The last of the good Porsches was the 89 911 hands down and the best 911 ever built. 87 88 89 those are the ticket. As far as utilitarian the 944 s2 cannot be beat for the price if you are comitted to driving a Porsche, lets face the facts a very low mile 87 88 or 89 911 costs as much as a 99 911 these days and a great s-2 can be had for ten grand and that is over paying! So have one of each a water cooled and an air cooled and have the best of both types of Porsche!

Posted by: gregrobbins Jan 12 2007, 09:30 AM

Should have sent that car out West to sell. Going range for a low mile Cab is something like 20K

The 968s are a great open road car, like the 928, but give me me 2.0L teener on an autocross or DE track.

Posted by: jd74914 Jan 12 2007, 09:38 AM

Nice car

I wouldn't have wasted my time on the merit parkway tho, there are too many really good roads around here

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 12 2007, 09:44 AM

We are VERY spoiled here in Georgia with our excellent roads, high speed allowances by the cops and the very near to atlanta mountains. And of course Deals gap in Tennessee. PERFECT 914 roads (along with Road Atlanta.) Anyone who comes to the area please ask and I will give them a great route to drive.

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 12 2007, 04:23 PM

I will be here saturday from 9:30 to 4:00 for tech advice and am always available on my cell phone at 404 308 5652 for those of you who need advice after hours. Don't get mad at your 914 call me for a easy solution.

Posted by: joeav8tor Jan 12 2007, 07:07 PM

George,
I am interested in a 911 as a daily driver (3 season, I will use my Jeep in the NY winters) and I am starting the process of looking for one...(you know me, I will be looking for an original, low mile,documented car) is it possible to get the AC to work on an 87-89 911? I like the body style of the 911 up until the 964.
your thoughts please
thanks
Joe

Posted by: Headrage Jan 12 2007, 07:13 PM

Are ya willing to lose at least 3 inches of Mr. Winkie?

Posted by: joeav8tor Jan 13 2007, 06:00 AM

No because then I will have to sit down to pee...
I love my 914, it is a 73 2.0 with very low miles...I drive it about 1500 miles a year, I have always liked the body style of the earlier 911 up until the 964, and want a very nice daily driver...I have been kicking around alternatives...350Z, Mustang GT, Infiniti G35 coupe, BMW M3...nothing really excites me...as a child I always loved the look of the 914 and the 911, well I have a nice 914...unfortunately it is too nice to drive on a daily basis...and I often find myself in the garage uncovering the 914 to stare at it....and sit in it.
Joe

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 13 2007, 09:00 AM

Hi Joe. I would suggest purchasing a 87-89 911 and probably a cabriolet for the sake of future investment. They are the best of the breed and a good low mile one could probably be purchased for around 25,000. Joe you cannot go wrong with this kind of a Porsche. Of course beyond the low miles for the price you can demand perfection including original paint. Try to get one with a manual top as the electric ones fail and are costly to repair.

Posted by: jasons Jan 13 2007, 09:26 AM

It seems to me the sunroof coupes are the hardest to find for some reason. They also seem to hold value, because I think thats what alot of the true Porsche People want. My friend just bought a nice unmolested 89 coupe with about 88k miles for like $19k. He had to look all over the US to find it.

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 13 2007, 09:35 AM

yes yes yes. Sunroof coupes are very hard to find, targas are the cheapest. In my opinion though as for a future collectible, the cab is it! 356 cabs are now going, in nice condition, for over 100 grand, making a through 89 cab a bargain at under 30. Also if you could find a turbo look cab that would be the real ticket

Posted by: 73Phoenix20 Jan 13 2007, 03:28 PM

yes yes yes. Sunroof coupes are very hard to find, targas are the cheapest. In my opinion though as for a future collectible, the cab is it! 356 cabs are now going, in nice condition, for over 100 grand, making a through 89 cab a bargain at under 30. Also if you could find a turbo look cab that would be the real ticket
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Something along these lines? I know, I know, nobody like Nutmeg Metallic, BUT, it is 1 of 1 for the 1987 M491 Carreras imported!


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Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 13 2007, 03:54 PM

[quote name='73Phoenix20' date='Jan 13 2007, 01:28 PM' post='848004']
yes yes yes. Sunroof coupes are very hard to find, targas are the cheapest. In my opinion though as for a future collectible, the cab is it! 356 cabs are now going, in nice condition, for over 100 grand, making a through 89 cab a bargain at under 30. Also if you could find a turbo look cab that would be the real ticket
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Something along these lines? I know, I know, nobody like Nutmeg Metallic, BUT, it is 1 of 1 for the 1987 M491 Carreras imported!
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yes yes yes. bad color but money in the bank!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: porschecb Jan 13 2007, 05:07 PM

Question: How many USA parts were used in making a 914? I have a 75 1.8 with a NJ part hooked up to the back side my air intake.

Thanks: Michael

Posted by: joeav8tor Jan 13 2007, 05:51 PM

thanks for the response George, I have heard that the air conditioning does not work very well on a 911 prior to 1990...is that correct? I would be interested in an 87-89 911...I would love for the A/C to work also.
thanks
Joe

Posted by: joeav8tor Jan 14 2007, 11:47 AM

jms

Posted by: dsmeyer Jan 15 2007, 07:33 AM

I had a '73 2.0 for over 25 years. For the frist 4 or 5 years it was my daily driver.
10 years ago my daily driver was an '86 944 which I traded for an '86 Turbo Look 911.
The 911 became more of a pleasure use car like the 914 and I found myself driving my Subaru winter car most of the time.
Compaired to newer cars, the air conditioning does not work very well on 911s prior to 1990.
It has trouble keeping up on days over 80 degrees and gets worse in stop and go traffic.

My 914 got totaled when a kid on a cell phone ran a stop sign.
The 911 became a PCA national concours winner and my daily driver is now a BMW.

There is a lot of good 911 information on the Bird Board if you want to learn more about the A/C and other issues.
You may also want to look into a 993.


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Posted by: joeav8tor Jan 15 2007, 08:19 AM

thanks for the info...that is a beautiful 911.
Joe

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 15 2007, 08:46 AM

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and you obviously bought a heck of a good 914.

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 15 2007, 08:52 AM

We have never had complaints on the 86-89 ac as the vents were larger and the blower better. Maybe a complaint on the 77-83 models. Yes the 90 and up worked the best so far but please SAY AWAY for any 964 model!

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 15 2007, 08:55 AM

Michael as far as I know only the air conditioning systems which are a dealer add on of course along with other dealer add ons like the front vent screen and the side stripes. Everything else was made in germany. (of course not so now!) some of the repo FACTORY made parts are made all over the place

Posted by: jasons Jan 15 2007, 09:50 AM

You might jump over to the Pelican 911 forum and get some opinions there. My friend drives his 89 in the AZ summer. AFAIK, his AC works good enough and thats in 110 degree heat.

Posted by: joeav8tor Jan 15 2007, 11:22 AM

thanks to everyone for the replies...I am still working on my 914, trying to make it as perfect as possible (while staying original)...I am enjoying the process...It will probably take me a while to find the right 87-89 911 cab...I like the turbo look (but unfortunately not the nutmeg color, thanks for the email though) I wont rush the process, but will take my time to find the right car...and will jump on the pelican forum to get some questions answered (thanks Jason)
Joe

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 15 2007, 12:51 PM

Stay on our forum and ask Joe. I think that between all of the guys here (even though we all own 914s) we could answer all of your questions!

Posted by: boxstr Jan 15 2007, 01:09 PM

I have owned over the years and sold, a number of 73 911s, and an 84 Metallic Nutmeg cab, a couple of black 88 coupes and recently a 1990 964 black coupe.
The only one that had anything that came close to air conditioning that worked was the 1990. The cab withthe top down was acceptable.
The rest of them were pathetic, anemic and you were better off opening the windows.
Targas are like a big fast greenhouse on Fuchs, they heatup inside the cockpit and there is no airflow, even with the targa top off.
The 964 can be a problem, especially if it has not had the needed upgrades. Dual mass flywheel,oil leaks from the motor,dual distributors(single belt). The one I owned had over $21000 of upgrades, amazing car. Coilover rear suspension. I would say that if you can find one that has all of the upgrades it is the best of the early type body style. Oh stay away from the C4 ( 4 wheel drive) heavy and costly to make repairs to the front axle assy.
CCL

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 15 2007, 01:47 PM

I HATED my 1994 speedster after selling my pristine white with blue 911 cab to purchase the 916!

Posted by: joeav8tor Jan 15 2007, 02:49 PM

you are right george, there are plenty of people here (with different experiences and opinions) that can offer info to help me to choose the right 911...I have the right 914...I finally found the right Harley Davidson (after owning 3)...in time I will find the right 911...Steve Gaglione has also been a big help sorting out some ideas about my next vehicle...thanks to all (Craig)
Joe

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 15 2007, 03:02 PM

We have identical cars here one an 86 911 he other an 88 911. The driving difference is dramatic. It is simply the clutch the gearbox and the shifter

Posted by: rdauenhauer Jan 15 2007, 05:52 PM

Hey George I just for your spam marketing email
How'd you get my addtess? and how do I get it removed if I am so inclined?

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 15 2007, 06:03 PM

Hi Rich, you probably ordered from us, as we have you set up with a previous order and a customer file. No problem at all to eliminate the mailing, just click the bottom and it will be automatically removed

Posted by: dsmeyer Jan 15 2007, 10:23 PM

You're right about the 964s but it sounds like your specific 911 experience is quite limited.
There are hundreds of threads on Pelican discussing pre '90 911 A/C issues along with a couple of companies the specialize in repairs and upgrades for 911 A/C systems.



Of course we shouldn't go to Pelican, they're a major direct competitor to Automotive Atlanta. A competitor with their own very successful Forums, most Parts in Stock and a Customer Service Department that is fast and helpful, but that's just my personal experience.

In the 4 years that I have been active on this forum, many of the posts addressing 911s have included the terms "tail dragger" and "donor car" for whatever reasons. That's not to say that there aren't many people on this forum who have great 911 knowledge. My point is that there is far more 911 information in the Pelican data base that you can easily search anytime, or post a question and get more answers faster.
BTW... Pelican was the linked site that hosted updates whenever the old 914Club was down, but I guess the Dr. didn't know that since he's only been around these forums for a couple of weeks.

Posted by: grantsfo Jan 15 2007, 10:34 PM

I'm sorry, but this guy sounds like a geek. Lets idolize somone worthwhile like Engman or Eric Shea

Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) Jan 15 2007, 10:41 PM

We have never had complaints on the 86-89 ac as the vents were larger and the blower better. Maybe a complaint on the 77-83 models. Yes the 90 and up worked the best so far but please SAY AWAY for any 964 model.

You're right about the 964s but it sounds like your specific 911 experience is quite limited.
There are hundreds of threads on Pelican discussing pre '90 911 A/C issues along

what exactly is wrong with 964s?

from what experience do you speak?

Posted by: rdauenhauer Jan 15 2007, 11:43 PM

Ya know....G
"Don't call anyone names. Treat other members like your mother taught you - If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all."

Take it somewhere else

Posted by: joeav8tor Jan 16 2007, 05:15 AM

Idolize I think is the wrong word to use...having useful knowledge is more like it...just like other people who have been around Porsches for many years (Steve Gaglione, Craig, Ron...etc) and I value their opinions...I am not looking for gear ratios , or dimensions of pistons, just to see if pre 90 911's can have operational air conditioning...there are a lot of people on this site that own 911's in addition to their 914's, and it is a good source for information...I surf around the classified section on the bird board...but I am not a member and have not read any of the info in the 911 forum...but I do have some other links in my favorites discussing the differences in years of the 911...as an end note, it does not seem to be an issue that should cause any hostility from anyone, towards anyone...it is not that big of a deal.
Joe

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 16 2007, 08:34 AM

A funny thing happened to me this morning on the way to the forum:
A customer called with a thick british accent (probably from L.A.) and asked if we sold engine cases. I told him we did but they usually do not go bad and then asked him what he thought wrong with his. He said that it had been sitting for four years and that he just wanted to buy another.
So I then described how we check the crank bore and the cam bore with a straight edge, tank the case and replace the galley plugs and if all checks out then the case is good to reuse.
With that said he replied in a hasty manner: "Well I guess that you do not want to sell me any parts then", and abruptly hung up!
Five minutes later he called back and told one of the other salesmen that he guessed that Automobile Atlanta did not want to sell him any parts and wanted to know where else he can buy them.
Another lost customer from that rude tech advice!
Unfortunately, over the last 29 years this has happened many times here, that after trying to give some tech advice rather than just taking an order for an expensive part, the acid reply is "I guesss that you do not want to sell me any parts" CLICK!
How can a firm survive by "pissing off" customers?

Posted by: grantsfo Jan 16 2007, 08:37 AM

Does your logic apply to people posting in different languages?

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 16 2007, 08:53 AM

The buy was from the Netherlands so I replied to him in his native language!

Thankfully all of us here speak the universal language called "914"!

Posted by: grantsfo Jan 16 2007, 10:40 AM

And the language of bash Brad and 914club too? Guess its OK to stir the pot in any language here at 914world other than English? Very classy.

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 16 2007, 10:59 AM

Dan there are so many things wrong with the 964s that I cannot begin to list them , but just the outrageous cost of the parts compared to the earlier models and the numerous engine problems alone is plenty of reason not to buy

Posted by: dsmeyer Jan 16 2007, 11:12 AM

"Don't call anyone names" and "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all."
But... apparently it is acceptable to be as rude as you want to others with profane animated illustrations.... according to you and your mom.

"Isn't that special"

Posted by: racerbvd Jan 16 2007, 11:24 AM

Well, I for one loved my 964 C4, it was fast, fun and decent AC for FL. Now the clutch replacent wasn't cheap, but neither was it on my 88 Carrera, but it was much faster. As the owner of a 78 SC coupe, 83 SC cab and my daily driver being a 88 Carrera Targa. The 964 could get very $$$ if you didn't get the warranty fix on the ealy ones, which meant most took that as a time to upgrade since labor was free (that is why the C4 was so fast) but being an old school guy, I prefere the last of the real 911 So, there are some guys also into 911 here too


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Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 16 2007, 11:33 AM

And I never had any problem with my 94 speedster although mechanically it was far superior to the earlier 964 models. I did wear out the tires in 7000 miles though and the car drank gas as opposed to my 88 cab which was gentle on both. The speedster accessibility and top mechanism was a real problem though and those plastic bumpers, hit a piece of paper in the road at 70 mph and the grilles in the front bumper would be knocked loose and the mounting tabs for them break! Real cheap! And then to compare the fit and finish of the 964 and the 911, well there was no comparison. The 911 was of obviously better quality than the 964 Plus I thought that the 911 drove a lot better than the 964. I hated that mcpherson strut suspension

Posted by: turbo914v8 Jan 19 2007, 11:46 PM

Good day George, I have had great dealings with you in the past and look forward to more. I have a question for you. I need to put 930 CV's in my 914. My question is do you have a stub axel conversion that would work. I am bent on installing the 930 CV's. I have everything else covered.

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 20 2007, 09:05 AM

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Hi Paul. You should be able to use the 930 stub axles in your application. They will fit fine into the 69-73 911 five lug hub and work great with the five lug braking suspension system.

Posted by: faux916 Jan 23 2007, 08:01 AM

George, is AA/yourself going to have a vendors area at Hershey this year?

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 23 2007, 09:24 AM

Hi Robert and thank you for the post. We used to do that years ago but the market has really changed and we are trying only to hit the big concours events. With the advent of E bay, swap meets are becoming a thing of the past and to take a bunch of stuff up there to sell is really futile, and if we ever need to buy any used parts for resale we too just look on e bay and can usually find what we want. Sad but true! Will attend the parade the registry holiday Hilton head concours and four local concours and amelia island this year.
Other than that really nothing as we are so needed on the phones, for example saturdays are slammed with tech advice and people coming to visit so it is hard to leave here!

Posted by: faux916 Jan 23 2007, 12:57 PM

I guess we will meet another time,another place!

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 23 2007, 01:04 PM

but we will meet!

Posted by: StratPlayer Jan 23 2007, 07:55 PM

In 20 days this thread has had over 9500 views and 341 replies, must be close to a record.

Posted by: thomasotten Jan 24 2007, 07:45 AM

My favorite Automobile Atlanta call experience is when I called to order two rear wheel bearings, and I said that I only wanted the F.A.G. brand, not the other brand. I wanted to make sure you had them in stock before I ordered. You broke the tension by telling me that you always seem to keep a couple of FAGS around the shop. Classic!

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 24 2007, 08:52 AM

It is important to me now for everyone to know that 914 advice and guidance is available 24 hours a day now, on this thread by phone or by cell phone, and I mean it! If you get into a jamb (with your 914! I will not come up with any bail money for anyone!) don't get mad at your car, call me for a simple solution (and I won't say "buy another car"!
I may not know it all when it comes to a 914 but 30 years of my life devoted to the marque rubs something off!

Posted by: Bleyseng Jan 24 2007, 09:24 AM

I was curious if you are going to be involved in restoring the prototype 914114 car. On that site it mentioned you were going to do the work...is this true?

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 24 2007, 01:18 PM

Yes we will be restoring the prototype if Sam gets around to doing it. There is talk of just displaying it here as is and cleaned up. The research and fabrication of the original parts, different from stock sixes would be the challenge here. We have already contacted those in germany still familier with the car for a little insight as to paint colors and modifications while the factory still owned the car.

Posted by: Bleyseng Jan 24 2007, 01:22 PM

and?

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 24 2007, 01:55 PM

and we are talking. We expect a visit from the prototype owner this month (he said) I will post or he will post as things come into focus. Obviously this car needs to be displayed for one and all to see.

Posted by: SLITS Jan 24 2007, 02:16 PM

Why .... it represents nothing but a bunch of trouble and would have rotted in the desert .... Sorry Sam.

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 24 2007, 02:23 PM

To any NORMAL person I would totally agree with you. Then there are 914 owners, and then on top of that 914 collectors, and finally on top of that somebody who has been referred to as "dr 914" (the latter probably would have enjoyed rotting in the desert along with his first born!)

Posted by: faux916 Jan 24 2007, 03:02 PM

I would like to see the famous #4. although, I do not want to put my finger prints on it. Just in case

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 24 2007, 03:13 PM

FUNNY MAN!!!!!!!!!!

Probably if the car had been an old hulk of a 1975 chevy out in the woods with a tree growing out of the engine compartment, someone would have pinned a metal on one's chest for removing it!!!!!!

Posted by: Eric_Shea Jan 24 2007, 03:50 PM

#11 is being restored right now. I'll have pictures of the "Interesting" calipers the factory chose to put on this car soon.

It is the first production 914-6 off the line; correct?

Posted by: SirAndy Jan 24 2007, 03:58 PM

i wonder if he ever went back to the dealer to have the seat adjuster fixed ...
Andy

http://members.rennlist.com/914_collectibles/zRecall9F01.jpg

Posted by: Eric_Shea Jan 24 2007, 04:05 PM

I doubt it.

It was pulled and used by the factory as a demonstrator car (so the story goes). It's loaded with factory goodies like a twin plug 2.0 and S-Calipers and GT calipers. I think it has glass hoods as well. It's been sitting in a barn for quite a while.

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 24 2007, 04:16 PM

correct. We had no 31 at one time with the rear shock tower serial number and the diagnoisis plug near the relay board and the prototype rear tail light panel. It even that late was very different than later production. We have the last remnents of 23 but it was heavily rusted and scrapped.

Posted by: McMark Jan 24 2007, 04:40 PM

This thread sure does meander from topic to topic. Can't we let this one die and start new ones?

Posted by: SirAndy Jan 24 2007, 04:40 PM

add it to the VIN list!
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act=membervins

Andy

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 24 2007, 05:17 PM

this is the dr 914 official chat line Mark.

Posted by: cantley914 Jan 24 2007, 05:45 PM

Despite the fact it's been raining the past couple of Hershey's swap meet events, Hershey's swap meet is and remains one of the biggest and most popular event.
I don't remember one year I went there and didn't find what I was looking for either new or used. Why I don't mind driving 8.5 hrs to go there. (Ok it's true it gives me a week-end off and I love this town !!!)
In my own opinion, I rather buy something in front of me I can look, hold, and verify than something on E-bay that I only see a picture , not sure where it comes from or even exist !!!

Finally, I come to say that Hershey is the place it is (and would be) the place where the new and repro parts should be displayed.

George, I hope you reconsider your thoughts and hope to shake your hand there in the spring.

Cheers,

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 24 2007, 05:55 PM

Thank you for the thoughtful remarks. I would like to know the exact dates please

Posted by: cantley914 Jan 24 2007, 06:01 PM

Sure,

Hershey swap meet is April 28th this year see link below


http://www.cpa-pca.org/

Cheers,

Steph

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 25 2007, 02:15 PM

Would be good to encourage a considerable 914 contingent to show up and maybe have their own booth in which to hang out all weekend. Maybe make it an east coast club meeting place

Posted by: faux916 Jan 25 2007, 03:32 PM

We will be there. but without 914

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 25 2007, 03:41 PM

Let's do a group buy on this. 50 914 owners sign up to be there and dr 914 shows up. THAT would be a good excuse to everyone for me not to be here. I am not cheap that's why it would take 50! Every one gets a free tech tips 700 latest version signed by me personally, and I buy everyone a drink at the local hangout!

Posted by: faux916 Jan 25 2007, 03:45 PM

Does that include family members that will be attending? Because you know member "Fitsbain" has 8 kids and there all going.

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 25 2007, 03:49 PM

Well I will certainly count wives, but refuse to buy the kids a drink!

Posted by: faux916 Jan 26 2007, 01:04 PM

I meant could the kids count in the "50" members to sign up and you would show up deal? besides "fitsbain"really does not have 8 kids. I heard he sold a couple to pay for his restoration!

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 26 2007, 01:12 PM

I know that that is what you meant!! I cannot count the kids though. (of course if there are children of 914 owners who own 914s they are certainly counted!) I have already received info from the hershey lodge, so I am expecting a big 914 turnout!

Posted by: faux916 Jan 26 2007, 03:20 PM

Very nice to hear! We may just take up my brothers six on the trailer if I can talk him into it. So we can atleast drive it around up there. He has only owned the car for about 20miles worth of driving, so reliability is still far from unknown. We will look forward to seeing you there. Bob

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 26 2007, 03:26 PM

If we get the quota we could all certainly plan something?

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 27 2007, 03:34 PM

I am leaving AA now, but remember all weekend tech advice is just a phone call away: 404 308 5652

Posted by: faux916 Jan 29 2007, 10:23 AM

We will be making our reservation tomorrow. I will post were we will be staying,cost, etc. Hope we can all meet up.

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 29 2007, 11:25 AM

I would like as well to host some kind of 914 cruise in here this year on a saturday. Free food door prizes etc. Just need a volunteer coordinator!

Posted by: grantsfo Jan 29 2007, 03:07 PM

Any new AA group buys planned?

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 29 2007, 03:15 PM

Greg may want to do another one as soon as the tail light sets hit. He was so kind to do the flare thing and keep me out of solicitation. I want to keep my input non commercial! We will have red, red amber, and clear. The samples we received are superb! By the way my windshield top seal man called today and said almost...what ever that means! but at least he called me!!!

Posted by: gregrobbins Jan 29 2007, 03:27 PM

Send me a sample of the standard US model and I will stick them on the Bumble Bee restoration and see how they fit/look. If they pass my demanding standards , we can do another group buy.

Thanks for the Flair buy George. 33 sets shipped. The buy started around the 4th of January and everyone got them or their in transit, except for the last five who knew theirs had to be manufactured. Thanks for cutting us such a good deal!

Let me know when your ready to talk about a tail light buy.

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 30 2007, 08:42 AM

I can assure you Greg that you will be the first in your neighboorhood to own a beautiful set of the repro 914 tail light lenses to install on your limited edition! After all I DO have my favorites!!!!!!

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Feb 3 2007, 03:23 PM

It is 4:18 PM here and I am leaving. Please remember I am always available for tech advice. 770 427 2844 ext 16 is my 914 hq office number 404 308 5652 is my cell and 770 971 4950 is my home. 914 tech advice 24 hours a day.

Posted by: Rotten Robby Feb 4 2007, 10:14 AM

Oh no George! Shea is from Utah! He has at least 8 wives!

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Feb 5 2007, 01:34 PM

More power to the MAN! Sounds like me long long ago back at Washington and Lee!!

They would kick me out of Utan these days for not being able to handle the requirement! Go Eric! (He will be a hit with the women here is Atlanta when he comes to visit)

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Feb 7 2007, 09:17 AM

I will be out from wednesday afternoon to friday afternoon but if anyone needs tech advice I am on my phone 404 308 5652

Posted by: 914/6 Sporto Feb 11 2007, 09:19 AM

Hello George!

I am new over here, I am coming from Germany! Can you supply the price or the offer for the 914/6 Sportomatic, you had at AA? The one being shown in the Excellence Magazine last year!

Greetings from Stuttgart

Jürgen

Posted by: Eric_Shea Feb 11 2007, 02:56 PM

Jürgen

Posted by: fat73 Feb 11 2007, 08:51 PM

Nice people skills TC. Got a good book for you. How Win Friends and Influence People. Can you read?

Welcome George.

Ed aka W9R1

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Feb 12 2007, 08:57 AM

Ed, this (as T.C. says it: @*#:, is here for you and everyone in the club. I will do my best to make amends for all who feel that we have wronged them! I really do not know who T.C. is but have invited him up to visit with us and discuss his past problem, saying that he was treated rudely when he was here!

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Feb 12 2007, 08:59 AM

Hi Jurgen! We have available a brand new sportomatic transmission case available for you for only 50.00!!!! We have several available heavily discounted from our usual file price! May we send you one??

Posted by: jasons Feb 12 2007, 10:36 AM

George, I got a set of flares in the group buy. Can they sit on the shelf for a while in raw steel, or should I hit them with some primer?

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Feb 12 2007, 10:44 AM

they are coated so are fine to sit on the shelf!

Posted by: r_towle Feb 12 2007, 01:55 PM

I have found that coating the raw steel with a liberal coat of WD40 , wrapped in a plastic bag (air tight) can help alot.

Rich

Posted by: mikez Feb 13 2007, 03:05 PM

So Doc....ya got a rubber seal kit for a 58 356?

Posted by: SLITS Feb 13 2007, 04:25 PM

Hey, just thought I would step in and the shit.

While I took a shot a George when he first came here, I won't do it again. He is living up to his promise to be a good boy in the garage and is only hawking his products in the classifieds ..... the way things should be.

It's been really fun matching his knowledge against our collective knowledge ...

So, with that said, let's ditch the war that exists between websites and/or individuals. The past is just that .... the past. If you feel the need to judge, let it be on future performance .... not what is already done and gone.

Anyway ..... Hi George, you're doing a great job, but you'll never touch Professor 914

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Feb 13 2007, 05:08 PM

Hi mike. I replied personally. We just got back our 65 356 sc and it is beautiful!!!!!

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Feb 13 2007, 05:10 PM

I would love to be introduced to the professor!

Posted by: mikez Feb 13 2007, 05:10 PM

ANd I replied....I'm in the process of stripping it down....what does the kit consist of?


BTW...don't ven THINK of touching Prof 914....you'll get a disease....

Posted by: markb Feb 13 2007, 05:14 PM

Who are you and what have you done with Slits?

Posted by: Eric_Shea Feb 13 2007, 05:15 PM

No you wouldn't... trust me.

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Feb 13 2007, 05:23 PM

that bad huh?

Posted by: Eric_Shea Feb 13 2007, 05:38 PM

Thaaaaaaat bad.

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Feb 13 2007, 05:45 PM

wow.

Posted by: Zanardi Feb 13 2007, 07:57 PM

Hey George. I am picking up my new project this weekend, a Nepal Orange '75 914 2.0. The car was orginally a 1.8. Anyway, upon looking over it, I found many service records from none other than Automobile Atlanta.

Needless to say, I know I am in waay over my head, but I look forward to learning a lot. I will definitly need your direction, products and services in the future. I'm up in Cumming and I'm very familiar with your location.

As a matter of a fact, I remember being a kid riding in the back on my parent's car staring up at all the Porsches....sorry to make you feel old!

Posted by: mikez Feb 13 2007, 08:05 PM

He's not so bad.....we like to kid.....

Posted by: Eric_Shea Feb 13 2007, 08:13 PM

Not so bad? How much worse would one have to get???

(keep in mind, he is my future ex-son-in-law)

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Feb 14 2007, 08:37 AM

So who is he and how can I contact him to learn a few things about the 914??

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Feb 14 2007, 08:38 AM

Wooh dad. He must be REALLY bad!

Posted by: mikez Feb 14 2007, 09:23 AM

He lives in a van down by the river...he gives motivational speeches to teenagers that think 914 are cool.....

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Feb 14 2007, 09:28 AM

What is great about this thread is that I am totally in the dark about this guy! Maybe with enough hints I could finally guess!

Posted by: Eric_Shea Feb 14 2007, 10:06 AM

Who brought up Professor 914 in the first place?

Posted by: mikez Feb 14 2007, 10:09 AM

Prof 914 is a Nom de Plume/screen name for a certain character that posts on the Club Narp site.....he pops in, stirs the pot and then pops back out to smoke some pot.....

Posted by: SLITS Feb 14 2007, 10:16 AM

I did ......

He's my hero and mentor ......

Taught me everything I know about 914s and life .....

Last time I talked to him he was moving his AirStream from Down by the River to Rocky Mountain High.

Mainly sits in his chair on his polyethelyene portable porch, drinks Cassadores, smokes pot and speaks of the "Good Ol' Days" when he ran Automobile California. He swears he's gonna bring AC back before he croaks.

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Feb 14 2007, 05:55 PM

Is it Otto? Little too old though to be eric's son in law!!!!!!

Posted by: mikez Feb 14 2007, 06:14 PM

Otto....aka John Williams is too mean to be related to anyone .....


He even hates me...

Posted by: Eric_Shea Feb 14 2007, 06:28 PM

You had your clue...

Oh... and, my daughter's 7. In about 6 more year's she'll be "Brigham-Age"

Posted by: Crazyhippy Feb 14 2007, 06:34 PM

That doesn't mean anything.... I like you, and still Hate you

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Feb 15 2007, 11:41 AM

so Have I ever talked to professor 914 from auto california??

Posted by: trekkor Feb 17 2007, 12:55 AM

Years ago I bought one of your "Flex air dams". I had one on my '75 and really liked it.

It became "NLA" due to the vendor stopping production.

Do you/will you have these available again?

thanks,


KT

Posted by: Twystd1 Feb 17 2007, 02:40 AM

Rumor has it that Automobile California might open up again with a new owner.. (Without the Doc?... Blasphemy)

Thats just rumor mind you.

I spoke with (you know who) yesterday and he said it might happen again..

I remember the good old days with the Auto Cal guys...

Yup... Those were the days...... You guys remember Gramps and that Ron guy..????

Good times man....good times...

Admin please delete if this is not appropriate. It's just hearsay....

Twystd1

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Feb 17 2007, 08:00 AM

Maybe I could enlist him as automobile atlanta west coast! We are probably about the same age so should get along famously.

Posted by: So.Cal.914 Feb 17 2007, 12:13 PM

You bring the pot I am sure you'll get along just fine.

Posted by: Twystd1 Feb 20 2007, 12:59 AM

Spoke with "THE MAN" today....

"Automobile California" is probably going to open back up In Long Beach, CA.

The Professor is gunna be there....!!!!

I will believe it when I see it.....

Think about guys..... No more Ottos, No More Steves, no more Tweeks...etc....

I hope this really happens.

I wonder if Glenn will come on board??????

Will Eric move and get involved.

Pappy and Scrappy might join in on this.... Thats the rumor as I hear it anyway....

I dunno..... Lets see what happens....

C

Posted by: Aaron Cox Feb 20 2007, 01:22 AM

dude! that professor knows his stuff!

cant wait till he re-opens! remember the show room????

omg... drool city!

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Mar 5 2007, 03:53 PM

the guy cannot possibly have as good a collection of 914s as this east coast show room has!

Posted by: bd1308 Mar 5 2007, 03:55 PM

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Mar 5 2007, 04:00 PM

this is killing me. I am very jealous! Wish I was in California! Load up the truck and move...

Posted by: Eric_Shea Mar 5 2007, 04:06 PM

With all the million$ involved in selling 914 parts, I'd be eyeing a nice Malibu estate (or two)!

Posted by: Twystd1 Mar 5 2007, 05:39 PM

George,

Give us some more tips or some more questions... I like those questions... It's good for the brain..!!!! And it's thought provoking. I like it.

Ya have any tough high performance engine questions for us?????

Clayton

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Mar 5 2007, 06:06 PM

thanks for the positive vibes Clayton. I think Jake Raby is the high performance man! I am more of a "stock concours know it all" of 914 trivia and bits. I could play a good game of "name that 914 bolt!"

Posted by: rdauenhauer Mar 5 2007, 11:33 PM

Heres one George:
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=68946&st=0&gopid=871231&#entry871231
Are just the fasteners avalable ?

Posted by: Twystd1 Mar 6 2007, 12:32 AM

Yup..

Jake is the man when it comes to trick engine technology... No doubt.

Clayton

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Mar 6 2007, 09:02 AM

No we use allen bolts and nuts when we have to replace the clips. As you know they just pop out.

Posted by: Bleyseng Mar 6 2007, 09:40 AM

How about the side light to body gaskets? Do you have those?

Posted by: SLITS Mar 6 2007, 09:50 AM

I use the nylon fastners & nutz ..... more mimics the original plastic and nothing to rust.

Posted by: carr914 Mar 6 2007, 09:52 AM

Ed, Yes, I can read, and I don't need to know how to win friends and influence people. I think I would rather have a small group of friends that I can trust vs having lots of acqaintences, some of whom stab you in the back for no reason. I know from talking to some of George's friends that he can be a phenominal guy, but if I wanted to make nice, I would call him or email him back. However that bridge was burned many years ago by George and his Nice People Skills many years ago. Lastly, the last time I looked, I still live in America, and am entitled to my opinions.

T.C.

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Mar 6 2007, 10:18 AM

And now you have us all in suspense T.C. as to what exactly happened to you when you visited Automobile Atlanta that made you so bitter!!!!! Please tell it in all of the gory details so you can get it off your chest and we can move on!

Posted by: carr914 Mar 6 2007, 12:06 PM

Please I intend to make this my last post to your thread, as I am not into games or pissing matchs, which apparently is what has happened. I don't believe I need to get into all the gory details and dirty laundry, so we can move on, because I already have, many many moons ago.

My 1st post was actually more in response to the surprize I had that George was on-line. Also in it's original form was out of line (to some obviously it still is) for which I apologized. It was intended for people to do their homework. On the "CLUB" there were many threads concerning problems with AA. Apparently I was the only one to stand up and say something.

George, the problem we had that Saturday morning in 1997, would probably be insignifigant to some people, but it was your complete rudeness to me ( up to then I would say I was regular customer of yours) that was and is the problem.

The only reason I posted again was to counter a post by FAT73 that I considered a personnal slam out of leftfield. Ed, I've known you since the mid 90s and didn't think I had done anything negative to you. If I did, I apologize. Now did I slam George in my original post, Yes, but there a business relationship there that was broken.

Finally, George, as I also stated in another post, I do not Hate you, as that is not a concept I will ever embrace. I know from speaking to Steve G. that you can be stand-up guy and a good friend. I believe that he would say the same things about me. It is truly a shame what happened, as you and I, obviously love this vehicle.

And to all, A Good Night, T.C.

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Mar 6 2007, 12:20 PM

that was in my opinion a very kind and forthright remark. Thank you (but I would still like to know what happened that day in 1997!!!!