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Posted by: Lawrence Jan 16 2007, 06:04 PM

How many people have the cardex (Certificate of Authenticity) for your car... or a car you used to own?

I'll start with one from the Bumblebee. I know that Jeff Bowlsby has a bunch of LE cardexes.


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Posted by: dagdal1967 Jan 16 2007, 08:40 PM

Where does one get a "cardex" for their car...

I have the original bill of sale and window sticker.... Does that count?

Posted by: r_towle Jan 16 2007, 08:42 PM

dude,
its all starting to surface...no more autocrosses for you...your a closet CW...its true..admit it.

Rich

Posted by: Lawrence Jan 16 2007, 08:42 PM

Cardex's can be ordered from PCNA.

Their direct email is: COA@porschecars.com

Posted by: ws91420 Jan 16 2007, 08:54 PM

Your car orignally came from my stomping grounds.

Posted by: Pat Garvey Jan 16 2007, 09:30 PM

FWIW, here's my COA.

Don't have the window sticker (though I'm the orig owner) because I lived in Kentucky at time of purchase. Ky took the window sticker to dtermine the tax I had to pay. Not that anyone discounted 914's in 1972, but Ky (as in KY!) charged sales tax based on the MSRP of the vehicle, no matter how much the dealer took off. That's why I bought my chrome wheels, Koni shocks, front stabilizer, Bursch exhaust & cocoa mats a week later - so I wouldn't be taxed for them. Buttholes!

BTW - Cardex & COA are not the same thing. Thought you should know.
Pat


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Posted by: Lawrence Jan 16 2007, 09:32 PM

Uhh... I think that's a COA application.

On a slightly related note... since all that stuff is add-on after purchase, does that mean your car isn't stock?

Posted by: plymouth37 Jan 16 2007, 09:35 PM

If I asked for a COA Porsche would probably shoot me.

Posted by: Pat Garvey Jan 16 2007, 09:42 PM

Sorry, sent the wrong attachment with the first post - corrected.

Yep, you're right - those things were the musings of a 25 year old. Other than the rustproofing (which, in the 1972 manual, was ecouraged by the factory), those things are all LONG gone.

Have been bone stock since the 80's (this is starting to sound like an AA meeting).

Corrected COA attached after stupidity/Alzheimers subsided.

Posted by: Lawrence Jan 16 2007, 09:46 PM

Would you mind reposting the application for those at home?

Posted by: Pat Garvey Jan 16 2007, 09:49 PM

No problem, though I think this thread would be better posted on the originality/history forum.
Pat


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Posted by: Martin Baker Jan 17 2007, 02:50 AM

My order has been placed for about a month, Ill post it here when it shows up. I have heard some unusual stories about these, like the color being completely off, etc. Hope I don't run into that deal.

Posted by: Lawrence Jan 17 2007, 05:29 AM

Hi Martin.

that's great!

I have two in the mail to me now... second printing, as the first printing had some rather obvious errors.

I was kind of tweaked about it at first, but no worries... it's not like I need them to drive the car.

-Rusty

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 17 2007, 08:15 AM

The problem with these new certificates is that since all of the option codes have been reassigned and the person now doing the certificates does not know Porsches, strange options are being assigned 914s Like our 71 914 with the turbo package or our 71 with the california equipment or our 72 with the "russet" tires. It is really crazy. Only believe the window sticker not the newer (last four years) certificate

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 17 2007, 08:17 AM

for example this one: "U.S." equipement and sealed beams were never an option on the window sticker. U.S. cars were U S cars! and they all had sealed beams!

Posted by: SGB Jan 17 2007, 08:36 AM

WHEEE! Potato rounds.

Posted by: type47 Jan 17 2007, 09:18 AM

WOW! HBL is the closest P-car dealer to me. i remember when they were in fairfax and mostly a vw dealer.

Posted by: dagdal1967 Jan 17 2007, 09:57 AM

And it lived there most of its life... I purchased it almost a year ago from the original owner's son. It was listed here on the board, and is a VERY VERY clean example!

Doug

Posted by: jagalyn Jan 17 2007, 05:04 PM

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Posted by: Martin Baker Jan 19 2007, 10:15 PM

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Posted by: gregrobbins Jan 19 2007, 10:31 PM

I understand the transmission numbers were not recorded. You can get your build date from the plate in the front driver's door jam.

Posted by: Martin Baker Jan 19 2007, 10:33 PM

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Posted by: type4org Jan 20 2007, 06:09 AM

As someone else already mentioned, the COAs you get nowadays are bound to have errors on them. Take a look at mine which I received just yesterday. The date at the bottom is wrong (2006 instead of 2007), and the total production count for the 1976 model year is misstated (must be 4100, it shows 14100).

Posted by: Lawrence Jan 20 2007, 06:25 AM

WOW! That's the nicest COA I've ever seen... with option numbers and everything.

Now, why can't PCNA do things that way?

Posted by: type4org Jan 20 2007, 06:35 AM

This comes at a price, I'll now have to spend a long time telling them to fix the obvious glaring errors

When I registered the car here in Germany I ordered a technical data sheet from them which contains data that is put into the registration document. I had to bitch and moan three times to get them to correct what they sent me.

- first attempt: the document contains data for a 1.8 engine

- second attempt: the document contains data for the GA engine instead of GC

- third attempt: engine output is corrected, but top speed still matches the GA and not the GC.

At that point I just gave up and asked on a German 914 forum for copies of registrations from people who have a '76 with the GC engine. That was good enough for the technical inspector, but it really ticks me off that I had to pay EUR 116 (about $150) for that Porsche data sheet. Those are done by the very same people who do COAs, so I knew not to expect a lot from the COA...

Posted by: Lawrence Jan 20 2007, 06:45 AM

Jens,

Your experience mirrors mine.

COAs in the US are over 100 dollars now. I ordered two back in August. They were backordered, and finally shipped with some rather glaring errors. I requested them to be fixed, I'm still waiting. I talked to a nice lady who is a supervisor with Porsche's contractor who types these up. Hopefully, they'll be enroute soon.

I'm fascinated by the option codes. In my opinion, that is VERY cool.

Do you have a link to the forum that you used?

Posted by: type4org Jan 20 2007, 06:49 AM

Sure:

http://www.pff-online.de/wbb2/board.php?boardid=20

Posted by: Lawrence Jan 20 2007, 06:56 AM

Sweet!

Now I just need to learn German!

Posted by: type4org Jan 20 2007, 07:01 AM

Before you get all excited, I still think this forum is better for the quantity and quality of postings...

Posted by: Lawrence Jan 20 2007, 07:21 AM

This is my home... but it's still nice to visit other places.

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jan 20 2007, 09:25 AM

Notice how the m-471 option has been recycled !!! No longer is it a car with flares and alloy wheels flared rockers 21mm wheel spacers and flared front valance, but rather mahle wheels sway bars and limited edition spoiler!!!!!! No wonder mistakes are being make in these kardexes

Posted by: type4org Jan 20 2007, 10:41 AM

I highly doubt the problems arose from M codes that have been re-used over the years or that consist of different items. The errors that I have been seeing are just lack of attention when the COA is prepared. It looks like a rush job. The fact that those guys probably don't know the history themselves but read up on things as they go increases the chance for misstatements like the 14100 cars produced in 1976.

Posted by: rdauenhauer Jan 20 2007, 11:48 AM

So explain to me what is the diff between a "cardex" and a COA?

My COA aquired mabye 4 yrs ago is almost identical to Jeffs in the first post
just for a Creamcicle.

Posted by: Lawrence Jan 20 2007, 11:51 AM

Same thing, Rich. The terms are interchangeable. But I've never seen the "technical sheet" that Jens was talking about. Maybe he'll scan it for us?

Posted by: type4org Jan 20 2007, 12:13 PM

Sure... So the definite wrong item on here is the 190 kph top speed.

Posted by: davep Jan 20 2007, 02:53 PM

The Cardex is the factory records on the cars. I think originally it was on file cards in the 356 era. What they work from now is a computer printout. The COA is the certificate that is prepared and sent to you. The factory printout has to be translated from the factory codes into the listed options. Jens COA show the M options as they would be coded on the printout, and has the translation as well. I am amazed at all the errors in those documents. Obviously the people doing the job are careless.

Posted by: Thomas J Bliznik Jan 20 2007, 03:18 PM

My cardex on my 1974 4-cyl Note: Everything's still on my car.

T


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Posted by: Martin Baker Jan 25 2007, 01:02 AM

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Posted by: dagdal1967 Jan 25 2007, 08:37 AM

So is there a benefit to having the cardex, apart from personal satisfaction?

Posted by: type4org Jan 25 2007, 10:47 AM

It can help prove the original condition of the car, and by that be a sales and value estimation help. If you don't care about original condition then none of this might matter to you.

Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jan 25 2007, 02:08 PM

Jens...

I dont speak German, but is there some way I can get a Cardex and Tech Data sheet for my US 914s? I am anxious to see what they might have on record for the LE cars. Can I contact them directly or can you facilitate?

Posted by: type4org Jan 25 2007, 02:41 PM

Moving this to email...

Posted by: sean_v8_914 Jan 25 2007, 02:49 PM

if I dont have one, does this mean that my 914 could be a made in China fake?

Posted by: dagdal1967 Jan 25 2007, 05:55 PM

Turn it up side down and look for the little [Made in China] sticker.

:-)

Posted by: Lawrence Jan 25 2007, 05:57 PM

Check the Concour Wee... uhh... Originality and Restoration Forum. They'll know alllll about that sticker.

Posted by: Pat Garvey Jan 25 2007, 06:18 PM

OK, as far as I'm concerned, the window sticker tells the tale. Lots of you guys have these, but I don't.

In '72, when I bought my 914 from a Cincinnati dealer, the Kentucky pot-bellied, donut sucking, cigarette-breathed morons took my sticker from me so they could assess my due tax. Bastards kept it (guess they didn't have copiers in those days) and I want it back. And I want it NOW.

So, rant over, do any of you Kentucky nonmebers know if it's possible to get these things back? after 35 years? Do I need to bring donuts? Do I need to bring button expanders for the pot bellies?

I want it back!!!!!

Posted by: Lawrence Jan 25 2007, 07:44 PM

I received this in the mail today... 1 down, 1 to go.

I requested they specify the wheel option and send a corrected version. We'll see how they react.


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Posted by: John Jan 25 2007, 10:22 PM

I think I'll just take one of the ones posted and Photoshop it up to show that mine is all stock ad original. 3.2 and all.