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Posted by: degreeoff Jan 16 2007, 09:08 PM
Just curious...I know I have hit an indicated (for what thats worth) 130 in my 2.1ltr few years ago......so how fast have you been and with what power plant/body mods (AKA HUGE wing, LOW spoiler etc)
Posted by: jd74914 Jan 16 2007, 09:13 PM
15mph up my driveway with a snowplow spoiler and ducktail 
Posted by: Lawrence Jan 16 2007, 09:15 PM
111 on my handheld GPS... (generally) stock 914/6.
Won't do it again. Testosterone poisoning is a terrible way to die.
Posted by: degreeoff Jan 16 2007, 09:23 PM
NOT that I would ever recommend speeding........but there are some LONG straight stretches around.....
Posted by: John Jan 16 2007, 09:24 PM
We don't have a speedometer in the track car. (about 6000 RPM in 5th)
Road America down hill before braking for turn 5. Car has a one of a kind home-made tail. Stable at speed. (Click on the 3.2 Race car in my sig.)
The street car has never exceeded the posted speed limit (that you know about).
Posted by: propricer Jan 16 2007, 09:27 PM
Estimate 140 down the front straight at Willow Springs ... race prepared 914-6 with equivalent to a 2.2S ... VERY stable !!!
Posted by: plymouth37 Jan 16 2007, 09:28 PM
155 and still pulling hard, 320 hp WRX engine, no wing, gt flares. I can say with all certainty that these cars were never designed to attain that kind of speed. Rear felt pretty squirrelly and traction was fading fast. tires were good for another 10 mph but i was already testing my luck as it was.
Posted by: So.Cal.914 Jan 16 2007, 09:41 PM
I did 35 in a school zone once, still feel guilty.
Posted by: URY914 Jan 16 2007, 09:52 PM
I did 225 at LeMans. 
OK, it was a dream really. 
Posted by: drew365 Jan 16 2007, 10:01 PM
Halfway down the straight at California Speedway I hit the rev limiter. With my gearing and tires that's 132mph. Car feels totally stable until part way through T1 I have to let it breathe.
Posted by: PinetreePorsche Jan 16 2007, 10:03 PM
111 on my handheld GPS... (generally) stock 914/6.
Won't do it again. Testosterone poisoning is a terrible way to die.
Hell, I had my dad's '58 Chevy 348-cube Delray up to 110 on the Palmetto Bypass (Miami) in 1960 or 61. AND noticed when I got it home that one of the tires was through to the cord! Sometimes the lord doesn't want you to die of testosterone poisoning--even when you're 17 and have LOTS of it. (I later drove it to Sebring with a high school buddy to see the '62 race) At 62 (years, not mph) now, I could no doubt do better than 110 in this antique car in my driveway. No bald tires on it. Nor me, yet--further proof that the lord watches out for me. And wait till I get a Jake kit!
Posted by: highways Jan 16 2007, 10:08 PM
95. Actually I've gone faster then that in mohave. But 95 was when the wheel fell off last time.
Posted by: dflesburg Jan 16 2007, 10:10 PM
My Mustang drifts around at about 160 with the top down, with the top up it starts to drift around at 165. Still lots left but I am a wimp...
My 914 hasn't been able to pass my truck in 14 years. Thank god cause every time she has been on the road she was strapped to a trailer... LOL
Posted by: mikez Jan 16 2007, 10:11 PM
140 at Willow...in a 3.0 914 and a 911......same engine.....both was an experience....
Posted by: Eric_Shea Jan 16 2007, 10:14 PM
130 Downhill just crossed into CO on I-40 from Vernal. Headed to the Steamboat Parade in my 914-6
Posted by: DownUnderMan Jan 16 2007, 10:38 PM
210 kph at 7100 on the limiter = 132 mph (short gears)
Posted by: biosurfer1 Jan 16 2007, 10:44 PM
i got up to 90 for the first time in my 1.7 stock. with a subpar suspension, brakes and engine, that as fast as it will go until they are fixed:(
Posted by: bondo Jan 16 2007, 11:09 PM
My 914 is jackstand limited to .00000003 mph. (compensated for continental drift)
Posted by: Howard Jan 16 2007, 11:31 PM
Well, this one time,
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Posted by: Midtowner Jan 16 2007, 11:50 PM
My 914 is jackstand limited to .00000003 mph. (compensated for continental drift)
Posted by: So.Cal.914 Jan 17 2007, 12:28 AM
I got you beat Howard, I am doing 1000 mph eprox right now 
(earth's rotation)
Posted by: Andyrew Jan 17 2007, 12:32 AM
As fast as any stock trani 914 can go. at 6k.
top down, gf in car. Tad bit squirly, but it didnt feel that bad..
Posted by: BigD9146gt Jan 17 2007, 01:02 AM
Wow, for those of you who have been over 130, what kind of setup (spoiler/rake/massive amount to weights in the front of your trunk) did you have? I've been 135mph in a 3.2 equiped gt flared replica and the front end felt soooo lite I didn't want to push it any further.
Posted by: Crazyhippy Jan 17 2007, 01:03 AM
Top off, 460+ HP SBC leaving a GSXR750 behind @ an indicated 170...
It was in the Renegade Hybids "Peal" (bosses car @ the time) and as fast as the car ever went as far as I know...
Was over 150 coming into turn 1 @ LVMS lap after lap after lap.... 6000 RPM through a 930 and 225/40/17's
Posted by: hellsbend Jan 17 2007, 01:12 AM
111 mph in a 1973 2.0 and it had something left in it still, maybe another five or six mph. Front end got a little light but it still felt pretty solid, could have used a spoiler on the nose.
Posted by: Flycut Jan 17 2007, 01:12 AM
I hit 95MPH Going Down hill In my Stock 74 2.0 And felt like I was pushing the limits....SCARY!!! She had a little more to give but I felt like at any moment the front tires were going to Fall off.
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Posted by: degreeoff Jan 17 2007, 06:42 AM
My 914 is jackstand limited to .00000003 mph. (compensated for continental drift)
I know the feeling my man my cars been on the rotis for a year now BUT I am making progress....and finally working on her again@ 130 I felt FINE had the normal upgraded suspension and 245 rear 225 front with my homemade body kit...the new ride will have this MACK daddy duck tail and be REALLY low http://www.rennspd.com/P_Detail.asp?PID=359&Task=STD
I worry with the 200+ hp going in her
Posted by: sgomes Jan 17 2007, 08:59 AM
95 and it had some pedal left in it. It was on the San Mateo bridge and it's electric baby!!!! 
Nothing like just hearing the wind and road at 95mph!
Posted by: SGB Jan 17 2007, 09:05 AM
gf in car...didnt feel that bad.
not that kinda fast!
Posted by: Bleyseng Jan 17 2007, 09:06 AM
125mph indicated going on the straight at Bremerton and felt fine. Running 205x50's just ran outta straight to see how much more it had.
Posted by: Joe Ricard Jan 17 2007, 09:14 AM
With early 1.7L 205/60-15 tire top off and Rob Watson in the car. we did 105 indicated before running out of road. Not much left.
2.0L will do 115 down the Straights at NPR and I held it to 120 on the way home one day. lots left in it just no place good to do that speed.
Posted by: pbanders Jan 17 2007, 09:14 AM
92 mph in 4th gear with my 4-cyl 2.0L before braking for turn 1 at the end of the 5/8 mile front straight at Firebird Raceway. 118 mph in the same spot in my M3.
Posted by: John Jan 17 2007, 09:20 AM
Wow, for those of you who have been over 130, what kind of setup (spoiler/rake/massive amount to weights in the front of your trunk) did you have? I've been 135mph in a 3.2 equiped gt flared replica and the front end felt soooo lite I didn't want to push it any further.
What front spoiler did you use?
If you have a true GT clone, they didn't have a very good front spoiler, and no air dam.
We had a 916 front shell on (which did provide some front end stability at speed) and now just use a custom air dam. It will drag the ground and clearance itself with the 15" wheels/tires. We normally run 9x16 wheels with 245x45R16 Kumhos on the track car.
In the rear we have a custom spoiler kind of like an extended GT spoiler. It is only extended at the two sides and is low in the middle (so you can see back). At first the wings were too tall, so we kept trimming them down until we got to where we are at. It does keep the back end down. We first created it for Grattan (Near Grand Rapids, Michigan) where there is a hump/jump just before a downhill braking zone for a tight right hand turn. It worked to keep the back end on the ground there so you could stay on power until just after cresting the hill. (I think we could take about another 1/4" or so off myself.)
Posted by: rick 918-S Jan 17 2007, 09:38 AM
75 mph being towed with a 15' long nylon tow rope behind a BMW 2002 for 150 miles! 
Posted by: michaelt55 Jan 17 2007, 10:35 AM
only about 90 in the 914 but I did hit 138 in a shelby CSX back in 88 cross country from Kansas into Colorado at 6 am in the morning. Overcast so no choppers up and you can see about 5 miles ahead..
Michael
Posted by: cooltimes Jan 17 2007, 10:48 AM
914:
Probably ?5mph + going forward on Highway 51 South headed to Florida back in 1970. RR crossings on old highway 51 S. at that speed let you fly about 100 feet or more.
I also estimate ?5 mph backwards when spinning in circles backwards on an ice covered road going to work one morning. 
Other:
Can't say.
Speeding is a crime in the places I went faster than set limit.
Kawasaki Mach II, 58 Bonneville, Mazda RX7 Turbo, etc X10
and about 460 mph private jet 40,000 feet Houston bound, 4X 2005
Cooley
Posted by: balljoint Jan 17 2007, 10:52 AM
This one time, I never even got my pants off. That was fast. Not to mention embarrassing. 
Posted by: So.Cal.914 Jan 17 2007, 11:47 AM
The speedo said 120 but I am running 205/55/15's so maybe 110. Handled fine.
Posted by: crash914 Jan 17 2007, 11:56 AM
around 6000 rpm in 5th with 205 50's....
I bet I could have pulled to 11
on another note....kid broke his nintendo....I still can't believe he jumped in the hot tub, hope it is ok....
crazy kids....thanks again...herb
Posted by: degreeoff Jan 17 2007, 12:04 PM
Sorry about the game...I can't believe he jumped/fell in either!! BUT my dogs can be a bit rambunctious.....least it was a HOT tub not a cold one!!!...rate I am moving I'll have this car back together so we can tear up some local boys on the track!!
Posted by: crash914 Jan 17 2007, 12:33 PM
lets get on with it....!!!
Posted by: crash914 Jan 17 2007, 12:36 PM
What I am working on slowly....
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Posted by: iamchappy Jan 17 2007, 01:14 PM
Dont know I was afraid to take my eyes off the road, steering wheel obscured speedo, around 7000 RPM in 5th running a Z gear with 245/45/16s.
Posted by: jd74914 Jan 17 2007, 01:49 PM
Hmm . . . 145mph isn't bad Chappy
Posted by: kart54 Jan 17 2007, 02:09 PM
168 at the end of the front straight at Las Vegas Speedway in a 2006 Chevy Monte Carlo owned by some guy named Joe Gibbs. Was orange and had the number 20 on the side and Trekkor's favorite competition parts supplier as the sponsor. Normally driven by some guy named Tony, can't remeber his last name. Was asked to do some testing, had an absolute blast. Car will turn 168 all day long consistently depending on the set up. I hear they run at over 200 on other tracks but I wasn't able to get it up to that. Track was to short. Definitely the best time I've ever had in a race car and all I had to do was show up with a helmet and a fire suit.(That was the best part)
Randy
Posted by: Dr. Roger Jan 17 2007, 03:46 PM
120+ with waaaay more to go.
I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT A WING TODAY......... 
Posted by: evan Jan 17 2007, 04:19 PM
102 in my 73' 914 1.8 convt to 2.0 that is if the speedo is working properly. 120 in my 2.0 turbo jetta 3 years ago.
Posted by: effutuo101 Jan 17 2007, 06:11 PM
My Tauraus SHO wouldn't do much more than 140. I found the rev limiter in my Jetta and Passat. My wife likes the 914 when she has it around 5500 in fifth. I find it strange how the car settles around 95.
Posted by: SGB Jan 17 2007, 06:19 PM
indicated 125 for about 18 miles behind a GT-2. It was prolly around 113 mph (205/50-15). After about 15 minutes it began to move the temp indicator up so I dropped out of the pack.
Posted by: byndbad914 Jan 17 2007, 06:32 PM
no speedo, but based on gearing and tire diam I was at around 7500 with the 930 trans and SBC at Willow, front stretch cruising at 141mph. Had one more gear to go, so off to the chassis shop it went. I think if I can get back to a good track somewhere in the 160 range.
I have a Sheridan standard width body kit with his 6" spoiler at the time; car was wandering a bit (tho' the suspension geom was pretty outta whack I suspect due to bump steer - the downforce at the front and upforce at the rear would have really messed with toe settings affecting straightline perf).
Since going full tube chassis I added a 70"x11" wing and a splitter into the mix and fixed the bumpsteer issues by relocating the rack and so forth. I expect it to be stable up to 160, maybe higher now. We'll see in a few months
BTW Bill Berthgo (sp? - bad with names) has a similar setup to my old one (no wing - body kit and spoiler) and said he was around 160 and true awhile back.
Posted by: gfulcher Jan 17 2007, 09:17 PM
Whatever the speed is on a 120mph Speedo when the needle is pinned to the backside of the little post it rests on at 0mph.. Had 1000 RPM to go with my 2.6L Big Four (which is now being rebuilt by Rich Towle, the brave soul), but quite honestly, physics started to get the best of me and I backed off.
About 50 miles later, both of my rear wheel bearings were squealing like a catholic school girl at a Marilyn Manson concert (appologies in advance if any of you guys are catholic school girls in your spare time).
Top speed though? 190+mph in a Ferrari 360 Stradale at the Ford Desert Proving Grounds in Kingman, AZ (as passenger)
Fastest I've driven? 185 or so in a Shelby Series 1 Prototype
(ok, i'm done gloating)
-greg-
Posted by: shadygrady Jan 17 2007, 09:38 PM
Between 140-150 down back straight at Road Atlanta in 3.0 track 914. no wing yet. It's still in the basement. Car was stable until turbos blow by you.
Posted by: r_towle Jan 17 2007, 10:53 PM
Whatever the speed is on a 120mph Speedo when the needle is pinned to the backside of the little post it rests on at 0mph.. Had 1000 RPM to go with my 2.6L Big Four (which is now being rebuilt by Rich Towle, the brave soul), but quite honestly, physics started to get the best of me and I backed off.
-greg-
Suuuuwwweeeeetttttt!!!
All of that in an 1800lb speedster...woohoo..
Rich
Posted by: drive-ability Jan 17 2007, 11:25 PM
I am sure I have been to 100 dozens and dozens of times in-between stop lights. On my trip to Washington I took it to 5k in 4th and with my 930 transmission thats kinda fast for me. 
Posted by: LS6/914 Jan 20 2007, 12:50 AM
Given enough thrust pigs will fly or 65 Dodge Coronets off the flight decks of aircraft carriers. THats about the only way my 914 will ever pass 155. 
Blessings on the crew of the STENNIS and their support group. GO NAVY!
Posted by: LarryR Apr 3 2007, 10:45 PM
With all the v8 cars I am suprised at the speeds... For now my 914 has only seen towing speeds but I hope to see some insane speeds in the future.
my 74 911 with coil over suspension, 935 spring plates in the rear, 935 front suspension, 74 carrera tea tray spoiler, rsr front bumper with splitter has hit speeds upwards around 180 mph. Speedo only goes to 150 but that is at ~4750 - 5K rpm in 5th gear. So I can only guess what it was going at 6750 rpm in 5th. Engine is a 96 3.6 with SSI's, mildly warmed over and a chip. So somewhere around 315 - 325 HP. On the scales it weighs 2385 pounds.
Posted by: jd74914 Apr 3 2007, 10:54 PM
With all the v8 cars I am suprised at the speeds... For now my 914 has only seen towing speeds
but I hope to see some insane speeds in the future. my 74 911 with coil over suspension, 935 spring plates in the rear, 935 front suspension, 74 carrera tea tray spoiler, rsr front bumper with splitter has hit speeds upwards around 180 mph. Speedo only goes to 150 but that is at ~4750 - 5K rpm in 5th gear. So I can only guess what it was going at 6750 rpm in 5th. Engine is a 96 3.6 with SSI's, mildly warmed over and a chip. So somewhere around 315 - 325 HP. On the scales it weighs 2385 pounds.
Any pictures of your 911 Larry?
Posted by: LarryR Apr 3 2007, 11:04 PM
With all the v8 cars I am suprised at the speeds... For now my 914 has only seen towing speeds
but I hope to see some insane speeds in the future. my 74 911 with coil over suspension, 935 spring plates in the rear, 935 front suspension, 74 carrera tea tray spoiler, rsr front bumper with splitter has hit speeds upwards around 180 mph. Speedo only goes to 150 but that is at ~4750 - 5K rpm in 5th gear. So I can only guess what it was going at 6750 rpm in 5th. Engine is a 96 3.6 with SSI's, mildly warmed over and a chip. So somewhere around 315 - 325 HP. On the scales it weighs 2385 pounds.
Any pictures of your 911 Larry?
Posted by: LarryR Apr 3 2007, 11:06 PM
a few more ... did not mean to hyjack the thread... 
Posted by: Justinp71 Apr 3 2007, 11:09 PM
With all the v8 cars I am suprised at the speeds... For now my 914 has only seen towing speeds
but I hope to see some insane speeds in the future. my 74 911 with coil over suspension, 935 spring plates in the rear, 935 front suspension, 74 carrera tea tray spoiler, rsr front bumper with splitter has hit speeds upwards around 180 mph. Speedo only goes to 150 but that is at ~4750 - 5K rpm in 5th gear. So I can only guess what it was going at 6750 rpm in 5th. Engine is a 96 3.6 with SSI's, mildly warmed over and a chip. So somewhere around 315 - 325 HP. On the scales it weighs 2385 pounds.
(6750/5000) * 150 = 202 mph, how accurate was your speedo?
I've max my 150 mph speedo in the 914, but its about 7% off (due to 225/50/15 tires). So thats only about 140mph.
Posted by: jd74914 Apr 3 2007, 11:16 PM
With all the v8 cars I am suprised at the speeds... For now my 914 has only seen towing speeds
but I hope to see some insane speeds in the future. my 74 911 with coil over suspension, 935 spring plates in the rear, 935 front suspension, 74 carrera tea tray spoiler, rsr front bumper with splitter has hit speeds upwards around 180 mph. Speedo only goes to 150 but that is at ~4750 - 5K rpm in 5th gear. So I can only guess what it was going at 6750 rpm in 5th. Engine is a 96 3.6 with SSI's, mildly warmed over and a chip. So somewhere around 315 - 325 HP. On the scales it weighs 2385 pounds.
(6750/5000) * 150 = 202 mph, how accurate was your speedo?
I've max my 150 mph speedo in the 914, but its about 7% off (due to 225/50/15 tires). So thats only about 140mph.
Remember, the car is drag limited too, so it could never reach those ideal speeds
Very, very nice car Larry
Posted by: LarryR Apr 3 2007, 11:18 PM
With all the v8 cars I am suprised at the speeds... For now my 914 has only seen towing speeds
but I hope to see some insane speeds in the future. my 74 911 with coil over suspension, 935 spring plates in the rear, 935 front suspension, 74 carrera tea tray spoiler, rsr front bumper with splitter has hit speeds upwards around 180 mph. Speedo only goes to 150 but that is at ~4750 - 5K rpm in 5th gear. So I can only guess what it was going at 6750 rpm in 5th. Engine is a 96 3.6 with SSI's, mildly warmed over and a chip. So somewhere around 315 - 325 HP. On the scales it weighs 2385 pounds.
(6750/5000) * 150 = 202 mph, how accurate was your speedo?
I've max my 150 mph speedo in the 914, but its about 7% off (due to 225/50/15 tires). So thats only about 140mph.
My speedo only goes to 150... when the same engine was in a 993 the factory posted a top speed of like 178 mph. I figure my car weighs about 1300 pounds less than the 993 and has been improved by about 25 or 30 hp so I had pure speculation at the 180 mph mark. It could have been at 200 things were moving by so fast that my eye sight /fear factor was the only thing that slowed me down. I hit those speeds in the middle of no where when I was driving it from Az. to Ca. .
Posted by: LarryR Apr 3 2007, 11:27 PM
With all the v8 cars I am suprised at the speeds... For now my 914 has only seen towing speeds
but I hope to see some insane speeds in the future. my 74 911 with coil over suspension, 935 spring plates in the rear, 935 front suspension, 74 carrera tea tray spoiler, rsr front bumper with splitter has hit speeds upwards around 180 mph. Speedo only goes to 150 but that is at ~4750 - 5K rpm in 5th gear. So I can only guess what it was going at 6750 rpm in 5th. Engine is a 96 3.6 with SSI's, mildly warmed over and a chip. So somewhere around 315 - 325 HP. On the scales it weighs 2385 pounds.
(6750/5000) * 150 = 202 mph, how accurate was your speedo?
I've max my 150 mph speedo in the 914, but its about 7% off (due to 225/50/15 tires). So thats only about 140mph.
Remember, the car is drag limited too, so it could never reach those ideal speeds
Very, very nice car Larry
Thanks, I am hoping to make my 914 the step up from the 911. I have seen so many 914's kick major 911 but at the track that I decided to build one. In Az. there was a 914 with a 3.6 that was almost 2 seconds a lap faster than my car. It could have been driver difference ... but I chose to believe that it was because the 914 handled so much better. 911's just cant hold the same line that a 914 can. I will start posting pics of the 914 this week when I get it back from the fab shop that put in the cage... will post more when it finishes at yeamen auto body with the sheridan motorsports flares... I will put a 220 mph spedo in the 914
Posted by: jd74914 Apr 3 2007, 11:33 PM
With all the v8 cars I am suprised at the speeds... For now my 914 has only seen towing speeds
but I hope to see some insane speeds in the future. my 74 911 with coil over suspension, 935 spring plates in the rear, 935 front suspension, 74 carrera tea tray spoiler, rsr front bumper with splitter has hit speeds upwards around 180 mph. Speedo only goes to 150 but that is at ~4750 - 5K rpm in 5th gear. So I can only guess what it was going at 6750 rpm in 5th. Engine is a 96 3.6 with SSI's, mildly warmed over and a chip. So somewhere around 315 - 325 HP. On the scales it weighs 2385 pounds.
(6750/5000) * 150 = 202 mph, how accurate was your speedo?
I've max my 150 mph speedo in the 914, but its about 7% off (due to 225/50/15 tires). So thats only about 140mph.
Remember, the car is drag limited too, so it could never reach those ideal speeds
Very, very nice car Larry
Thanks, I am hoping to make my 914 the step up from the 911. I have seen so many 914's kick major 911 but at the track that I decided to build one. In Az. there was a 914 with a 3.6 that was almost 2 seconds a lap faster than my car. It could have been driver difference ... but I chose to believe that it was because the 914 handled so much better. 911's just cant hold the same line that a 914 can. I will start posting pics of the 914 this week when I get it back from the fab shop that put in the cage... will post more when it finishes at yeamen auto body with the sheridan motorsports flares... I will put a 220 mph spedo in the 914
Sweet
I can't image how nice the 914 will be then. You could eat off of that 911 Is the 914 getting the 935 goodies in the front?
Posted by: LarryR Apr 3 2007, 11:38 PM
With all the v8 cars I am suprised at the speeds... For now my 914 has only seen towing speeds
but I hope to see some insane speeds in the future. my 74 911 with coil over suspension, 935 spring plates in the rear, 935 front suspension, 74 carrera tea tray spoiler, rsr front bumper with splitter has hit speeds upwards around 180 mph. Speedo only goes to 150 but that is at ~4750 - 5K rpm in 5th gear. So I can only guess what it was going at 6750 rpm in 5th. Engine is a 96 3.6 with SSI's, mildly warmed over and a chip. So somewhere around 315 - 325 HP. On the scales it weighs 2385 pounds.
(6750/5000) * 150 = 202 mph, how accurate was your speedo?
I've max my 150 mph speedo in the 914, but its about 7% off (due to 225/50/15 tires). So thats only about 140mph.
Remember, the car is drag limited too, so it could never reach those ideal speeds
Very, very nice car Larry
Thanks, I am hoping to make my 914 the step up from the 911. I have seen so many 914's kick major 911 but at the track that I decided to build one. In Az. there was a 914 with a 3.6 that was almost 2 seconds a lap faster than my car. It could have been driver difference ... but I chose to believe that it was because the 914 handled so much better. 911's just cant hold the same line that a 914 can. I will start posting pics of the 914 this week when I get it back from the fab shop that put in the cage... will post more when it finishes at yeamen auto body with the sheridan motorsports flares... I will put a 220 mph spedo in the 914
Sweet
I can't image how nice the 914 will be then. You could eat off of that 911 Is the 914 getting the 935 goodies in the front?
It might get exacly those 935 goodies. I would actually like to go to some bushings in the 911 to make it ride a little better. I have not decided yet. I have an aluminum cross member and A Arms so I dont know which will end up on the 914. Either way the 914 will get coil over front suspension though.
Posted by: LarryR Apr 3 2007, 11:44 PM
With all the v8 cars I am suprised at the speeds... For now my 914 has only seen towing speeds
but I hope to see some insane speeds in the future. my 74 911 with coil over suspension, 935 spring plates in the rear, 935 front suspension, 74 carrera tea tray spoiler, rsr front bumper with splitter has hit speeds upwards around 180 mph. Speedo only goes to 150 but that is at ~4750 - 5K rpm in 5th gear. So I can only guess what it was going at 6750 rpm in 5th. Engine is a 96 3.6 with SSI's, mildly warmed over and a chip. So somewhere around 315 - 325 HP. On the scales it weighs 2385 pounds.
(6750/5000) * 150 = 202 mph, how accurate was your speedo?
I've max my 150 mph speedo in the 914, but its about 7% off (due to 225/50/15 tires). So thats only about 140mph.
Remember, the car is drag limited too, so it could never reach those ideal speeds
Very, very nice car Larry
Thanks, I am hoping to make my 914 the step up from the 911. I have seen so many 914's kick major 911 but at the track that I decided to build one. In Az. there was a 914 with a 3.6 that was almost 2 seconds a lap faster than my car. It could have been driver difference ... but I chose to believe that it was because the 914 handled so much better. 911's just cant hold the same line that a 914 can. I will start posting pics of the 914 this week when I get it back from the fab shop that put in the cage... will post more when it finishes at yeamen auto body with the sheridan motorsports flares... I will put a 220 mph spedo in the 914
Sweet
I can't image how nice the 914 will be then. You could eat off of that 911 Is the 914 getting the 935 goodies in the front?
One thing that the 914 might get that the 911 could only dream of is a new corvette Z06 7.0 505 HP dry sump monster engine with a cable shifted G50... If cost was not a factor that is what I would use. ... If budget kicks in it will get a 400 hp aluminum LS1 with a 915 trans ... The evil speed monster in my head could win and combo 1 might end up in my 914
Posted by: BIGKAT_83 Apr 4 2007, 12:07 AM
So Larry you own the car pictured on Patrick motorsports website http://www.patrickmotorsports.com/cgi-bin/main?action=gallery&id=20 Man that thing is out of sight 
Posted by: LarryR Apr 4 2007, 12:43 AM
So Larry you own the car pictured on Patrick motorsports website http://www.patrickmotorsports.com/cgi-bin/main?action=gallery&id=20 Man that thing is out of sight
Thanks, It was featured in Nov. Excellence magazine too.
It is not an RSR mule though... It is more of a 74 IROC inspired meets modern technology wet dream of mine. The article in excellence spells it out nicely. It is cool that they now use it in their adds and Linsey racing has it on their site too. It is a lot better to see that others appreciate it ... Posted by: Andyrew Apr 4 2007, 01:16 AM
Larry nice car!!
The v8's have the disadvantage of gearing and low rpm's. Most v8's dont pull much past 6k rpms. while T4's and Porsche 6's can rev past 7k. giving them MUCh more rpms' to work with in those gears.
Posted by: DonTraver Apr 4 2007, 11:21 AM
Fastest sustained 100+. Alameda, Ca to San Diego, Ca in 7.5 hours with a witness in the passenger side on 101. Went thru LA at around 10pm.
1971 914-4 with a 2.0l. Still got over 30mpg. That was a great car.
Later, Don
Posted by: iamchappy Apr 4 2007, 11:29 AM
With my turbo six, thank God i am limited by my top gear (Z).
Posted by: sww914 Apr 4 2007, 11:30 AM
Wow, for those of you who have been over 130, what kind of setup (spoiler/rake/massive amount to weights in the front of your trunk) did you have? I've been 135mph in a 3.2 equiped gt flared replica and the front end felt soooo lite I didn't want to push it any further.
Does Dave know you did that in his car?
Posted by: slapshot914 Apr 4 2007, 11:36 AM
Somewhere between 105-110 coming into LV on I-15. Stock '73, 2.0. Got passed by a BMW followed by a late model Chevy, but when on OLD Olds flashed by me with the fenders flapping like a set of wings, I couldn't stop myself-had to join in the chase. Never did catch up to the BMW and the Oldsmobile. I did catch and pass the Chevy. Decided to slow down when the windscreen started to bulge outward. Car felt stable the whole time though. Crazy fun.
Posted by: Wild 6 Apr 4 2007, 01:51 PM
Last month at the Cal Speedway NASA event I was hitting 147Mph (and the rev limiter) on the straightaway evey lap. Car was running 1:56 lap times. Took 5th place (out of 60 cars) on Saturday. On Sunday took a hit from an Accura and DNF'd. I have installed a rear wing on the car - it has always been a little tail happy.
Posted by: PinetreePorsche Apr 4 2007, 02:11 PM
So Larry you own the car pictured on Patrick motorsports website http://www.patrickmotorsports.com/cgi-bin/main?action=gallery&id=20 Man that thing is out of sight
Thanks, It was featured in Nov. Excellence magazine too.
It is not an RSR mule though... It is more of a 74 IROC inspired meets modern technology wet dream of mine. The article in excellence spells it out nicely. It is cool that they now use it in their adds and Linsey racing has it on their site too. It is a lot better to see that others appreciate it ...Larry: I much appreciate that the big Porsche 6 can propel a 914 at 150+ mph easily. But what keeps it from getting light and floating off the track out of control. That is, what's your splitter, or whatever, and your spoiler or wing, or whatever. I haven't found a pic of the car--can you stick in in with a reply? My guess is the car wasn't originally expected/engineered to go better than 125 mph, while late model 911s are designed for over 175. True, 944 turbos have been pushed to max at over 200, but only white-nuckling on a straightaway. Can you race a 914 at 150? -Thanks,
Posted by: JRust Apr 4 2007, 02:37 PM
Her name was Betty Sue & man was she hot 
Probably set a time record myself unfortunately
Posted by: Wild 6 Apr 4 2007, 03:13 PM
I have personally never had a problem with the 914 getting light at high speeds. Mine has alwas had the 916 front bumper. The rear end is a different story - usually loose. My laps time dropped 1.3 seconds on the 1.5 mile PIR road course and 2 seconds at Cal Speedway once I added the rear wing. Car is very stable now.
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Posted by: wbergtho Apr 4 2007, 08:11 PM
I saw 170MPH+ on 35E in St Paul, MN with two crotch rockets in tow. It started on a button hook curvy on ramp and I just kept my foot into it. I expected the bikes to over take me but they just got smaller in the rear view mirror. My car has a modified 500+HP LS6 & 930 gearbox. The air tunnel keeps the front glued down and the rear spoiler does a rather good job of keeping the ass planted.
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Posted by: 41ghost Apr 4 2007, 08:20 PM
136 mph , Gyla Ben ,Arizona, got a ticket on too . clocked me on the exit ramp at 95 in a 35 , pulled a gun on me before he ever said a word. freeked me out.
Posted by: LarryR Apr 4 2007, 11:52 PM
I have personally never had a problem with the 914 getting light at high speeds. Mine has alwas had the 916 front bumper. The rear end is a different story - usually loose. My laps time dropped 1.3 seconds on the 1.5 mile PIR road course and 2 seconds at Cal Speedway once I added the rear wing. Car is very stable now.
Hey Andy,
It was your car that inspired my 914 purchase. To bad I cant make the Az. auto x this year but I keep watching the dates... maybe some time later this year.
Larry
Posted by: Wild 6 Apr 5 2007, 12:18 AM
Larry,
I see you are from the East Bay Area. I bought the car from Tobias Onley in Oakland - he bought it from Alan Timmerman here in Phoenix. It's amazing how these cars get around. I'll be at Willow Springs Raceway this summer with NASA. It's a little closer to the Bay Area than Phoenix. We have one more autocross before the season restarts in the Fall. I'm planning on attending the Atomic Ramble in Albuquerque and possibly Moab again this Fall. I hope to see you around.
Posted by: sww914 Apr 5 2007, 04:14 AM
Larry,
I'll be at Willow Springs Raceway this summer with NASA.
There's nothing like Willow Springs in the summer!
Posted by: Twise Apr 23 2007, 06:45 PM
110mph in my 5 bolt converted 1974 1.8 with djet. South 15 downhill out of Fallbrook into Escondido just past the 76 (you know the spot). It was early and cold it had more, but I was just happy to get that out of that 4 banger. I also have a 1991 300CE MBZ, and I just got pulled over there doing well over 120mph. One CHP cruiser turned into 3 CHP cruisers and a bike. Guns drawn, creeping up on the passenger side. It was "not cool", I do believe those fellas would have taken me to jail, but a friend of mine intervened on my behalf - Thank god for cel-phones - "hey buddy, remember the great deal I got you on those parts for your car.... Well, Uh, I am in a bit of a jam here man..... I love that guy. Ticket says 90mph, and they wrote the tint, my lic plate cover and they were pissed. I think if I was them I woulda been too. Man I know I blew by that dude at 130 at least. That car reels in the highway. Anyway, save it for the track man... $450.00 is what that cost me /w Mr Ticket on board. I love that car........
Posted by: kpex914 Apr 23 2007, 09:42 PM
I did 115 in my stock 1.7. Probally could have gone faster but i chickened out.
Posted by: stownsen914 Apr 24 2007, 02:45 PM
I have a 914/6 tube-framed car with a 2.7L 6 in it. I managed 150 according to a gear chart on the long course at Pocono Raceway. I have a wing on the car (and did at the time of the aforementioned run). Prior to adding the wing the car would get pretty light in the rear above 110 mph.
Posted by: airsix Apr 24 2007, 05:13 PM
Hi, It's me, back from the dead....
130mph in my 1.7 on flat ground
Do I get the "fastest 1.7 award"?
I was tuning the digital EFI with a laptop & was watching the screen for boost-creep. It had more to go but intake temp had hit 190F and it was starting to knock (at 13psi boost). One of these days I'll replumb the intake to add the intercooler and we'll try again. I don't want to quit until it's faster than my M3.
-Ben M.
ps - my M3 head-butts the revlimiter at 147mph
Posted by: grantsfo Apr 24 2007, 05:25 PM
Did 116 MPH according to my GPS on Laguna Seca a few weeks ago
Posted by: Jeff Hail Nov 2 2007, 08:57 PM
Recent conversation with retired 82 year old racer Harald Von Keszycki still has him in the running for one of the fastest 914's with a production chassis.
A long long time ago Harald purchased Erwin Kremers 1970 LeMans winning 914/6 GT. He then built it into a monster in the mid 1970's. At its peak it ran in excess of 550 HP with just a little 2.1 Liter motor. It took a lot of bodywork to keep it on the ground at 180mph.
Later Group 5 cars (non production tube frame cars) which are essentially prototypes gave the Von K 914 a run for the money. With factory racing budgets they only beat it by few mph.
Taken from my friend Victor V. word for word who raced professionally with Harald Von K. "looking at Von K's 914 and telling him he was going to shoot somebody with the way the turbo system was configured . Sure enough, he burst a turbo wheel and shot a Datsun at Riverside".
Haralds response: "Yeah, and on the way out the turbine wheel knurled a spiral path into the inside of the tailpipe, sort of rifling its own barrel. Wish I had a picture".
Yes that is Ferry Porsche admiring Haralds work in the photo.
I grew up in SoCal and have seen this car when Harald had shop set up in Woodland Hills a long time ago. Was also fortunate to be able to hang out at Dan McLoughlin's shop in Burbank. Dan made the glass body panels for the Von K 914. Dan purchased A.I.R ( in name) from actor James Garner who started the AIR Racing Ream ( Vettes and Lola's). A little history few people remember. Dan is no longer involved with AIR. He sold it a few years ago. The quality of the glass today is not like it was.
Harald Von K has a small website with some cool reading. A good article from Classic VW's is on one of the links.
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://209.128.70.155/Turbo3.jpg&imgrefurl=http://209.128.70.155/toys.html&h=255&w=324&sz=27&hl=en&start=154&tbnid=enSasIjyd3QcQM:&tbnh=108&tbnw=137&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dporsche%2B914-6%2BGT%26start%3D140%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN
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Posted by: Jeff Hail Nov 2 2007, 09:15 PM
A neat photo to go with the history of the Von K 914.
Pictured is a young Dave Bouzaglou (TRE Automotive) between the famous Solar Productions 917 (Steve McQueen- LeMans) and Harald Von K's 914 before the monster bodywork was installed. The location was AIR in Burbank.
The rest is history!
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Posted by: Racing916 Nov 2 2007, 10:07 PM
Stock 2.0L 4 -Cylinder back stretch at Watkins Glen at 119MPH
2.7L 6 Cylinder 914-6 139 MPH back stretch at Watkins Glen, could be faster with better gearing.
Posted by: Jeff Hail Nov 2 2007, 10:20 PM
Harald sent me a little bit of racing history of his 914 and the 917 in the photo.
"That is the Monster under construction sitting next to Otis Chandler's 917. I was to beat Otis in that with my monster at Ontario Motor Speedway two years later in a time trial. Johnny Thomas, who nannied that car and Otis' 930, was much faster in them. I'm attaching a picture of the three cars at the annual Porsche Parade in San Diego".
Thanks again,
Harald[size=2]
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Posted by: blitZ Nov 2 2007, 10:30 PM
Ralph Meany in his interview, stated 170+ with a naturally aspirated 2l 6. I think he has us all beat. Great pictures on his web site.
http://www.meaneyracing.com/
Posted by: Blood red 914-6gt Nov 3 2007, 01:02 PM
Well, My speedo is inop, but I received a ticket as I was going on a very fun drive. The officer said I went past him at 120, but he liked my car and wrote it for 80 . We talked about my car a little, and he let me go saying to contest it. I did and it was dismissed. The coolest cop ever.
I was going a bit faster before he caught me. I wish I knew how much.
Posted by: pfierb Nov 3 2007, 04:53 PM
a few more ... did not mean to hyjack the thread...
That is one beautiful car !!!!!
Back to daredevil talk 90mph in my 73 2.0 on civilian roads.....120 mph in my 944 Turbo at Lime Rock thank God or Porsche for the great brakes on that car.
Posted by: Maltese Falcon Nov 4 2007, 01:05 AM
Harald sent me a little bit of racing history of his 914 and the 917 in the photo.
"That is the Monster under construction sitting next to Otis Chandler's 917. I was to beat Otis in that with my monster at Ontario Motor Speedway two years later in a time trial. Johnny Thomas, who nannied that car and Otis' 930, was much faster in them. I'm attaching a picture of the three cars at the annual Porsche Parade in San Diego".
Thanks again,
Harald[size=2]
Same PCA Parade in SD, that's me next to the Chandler 917/30. In another frame I can see Von K's front fender . At a POC event at RIR, I won a raffle for 5 laps in the 917/30 with Otis driving. I got into that little bucket seat and off we went for the most brutal E ticket ride of my life. The G forces and wind were sucking that bell helmet right off my head, I had a chin strap rash after the ride. The top gear acceleration down the back straight was similar to my FIRST gear launch in my car. There is no speedo in that car but Otis told me that we were topping 200.
BTW, he was an excellent road racer, surfer, scholar , gentleman . He changed my life with that car
Marty
Posted by: fat73 Nov 4 2007, 01:21 AM
Been faster than this, I'd say around 140. At this point the WRX engine is just getting its legs. Alot left and pulling amazingly hard.
My GPS said I did 124 somewhere between Tampa and Tennessee on a recent trip. I think it was on an entrance ramp to I-75 just south of Macon.
Ed aka W9R1
Posted by: ConeDodger Nov 4 2007, 01:30 AM
Speedometer said 110 so I suppose 90? The 50 series tires mess things up by about 15% or so... But that was in a corner
Posted by: Jeff Hail Jul 17 2016, 12:01 AM
Harold recently passed away. RIP Von K.
Posted by: ripper911 Jul 17 2016, 05:57 AM
Somewhere around 117-119mph, I don't think I've ever actually hit 120 in it.
Posted by: cali914 Jul 17 2016, 08:28 AM
150 in my v8 small block 427 racing my cousin Rentech Mercedes AMG and his Lingenfelter Corvette. The Aero was really bad my cousin looked over and thought my hood was about to fly open and smack my windshield because of all the air going through the front radiator inlet opening. He said my hood was 6 inches up even with four hood pins. The front of that car must have felt like a brick with all that air going in and not fast enough to exit. All us guys with front radiators beware. 
Posted by: worn Jul 17 2016, 11:04 AM
720,000 km/h, 450,000 mph. This was at turn one (there are no straights or any other turns) heading around the galactic core. You could really feel the red shift.
Posted by: Rand Jul 17 2016, 01:00 PM
This thread reminds me of its earlier sister thread on the same topic, where Alpha434 came to us. Titanium rods and tires sizes, oh my.
I'd guess bynbad914 and Cracker (who decided to change is screen name to something silly) probably have some of the stronger numbers. Massive v8 power helps.
I've never had a crazy fast 914, but my first 2.0 would do 120 after a few mods (as stupidly tested on the PNW freeways before they got too congested). This was before I had the GPS apps on my phone, so I know this was off some because of my 60 series tires.
Posted by: My 914 Jul 17 2016, 02:18 PM
150 in my v8 small block 427 racing my cousin Rentech Mercedes AMG and his Lingenfelter Corvette. The Aero was really bad my cousin looked over and thought my hood was about to fly open and smack my windshield because of all the air going through the front radiator inlet opening. He said my hood was 6 inches up even with four hood pins. The front of that car must have felt like a brick with all that air going in and not fast enough to exit. All us guys with front radiators beware.
Excellent point about air intake and the value of hood pins!
Posted by: DBCooper Jul 17 2016, 03:08 PM
13.006 at 109 in the quarter.
Posted by: 396 Jul 17 2016, 06:15 PM
Recent conversation with retired 82 year old racer Harald Von Keszycki still has him in the running for one of the fastest 914's with a production chassis.
A long long time ago Harald purchased Erwin Kremers 1970 LeMans winning 914/6 GT. He then built it into a monster in the mid 1970's. At its peak it ran in excess of 550 HP with just a little 2.1 Liter motor. It took a lot of bodywork to keep it on the ground at 180mph.
Later Group 5 cars (non production tube frame cars) which are essentially prototypes gave the Von K 914 a run for the money. With factory racing budgets they only beat it by few mph.
Taken from my friend Victor V. word for word who raced professionally with Harald Von K. "looking at Von K's 914 and telling him he was going to shoot somebody with the way the turbo system was configured . Sure enough, he burst a turbo wheel and shot a Datsun at Riverside".
Haralds response: "Yeah, and on the way out the turbine wheel knurled a spiral path into the inside of the tailpipe, sort of rifling its own barrel. Wish I had a picture".
Yes that is Ferry Porsche admiring Haralds work in the photo.
I grew up in SoCal and have seen this car when Harald had shop set up in Woodland Hills a long time ago. Was also fortunate to be able to hang out at Dan McLoughlin's shop in Burbank. Dan made the glass body panels for the Von K 914. Dan purchased A.I.R ( in name) from actor James Garner who started the AIR Racing Ream ( Vettes and Lola's). A little history few people remember. Dan is no longer involved with AIR. He sold it a few years ago. The quality of the glass today is not like it was.
Harald Von K has a small website with some cool reading. A good article from Classic VW's is on one of the links.
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://209.128.70.155/Turbo3.jpg&imgrefurl=http://209.128.70.155/toys.html&h=255&w=324&sz=27&hl=en&start=154&tbnid=enSasIjyd3QcQM:&tbnh=108&tbnw=137&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dporsche%2B914-6%2BGT%26start%3D140%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN
Jeff,
Thanks for providing these wonderful pictures...boy it takes me back to those early years when I used to see Von K at the POC events.
Sorry to hear of Von K passing.. RIP Von
Posted by: mikesjunk Jul 19 2016, 08:36 PM
1971 1.7 Frankenstein I had up to 70 on the road next to the subdivision. Felt really squirrelly so that was plenty.
115 MPH in my 1984 Mustang.....in the 1/4 mile.
Posted by: DBCooper Jul 19 2016, 08:45 PM
115 MPH in my 1984 Mustang.....in the 1/4 mile.
Yeah? Funny, that, out here sometimes we play this game called http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=210228&st=0
Posted by: hndyhrr Jul 19 2016, 10:32 PM
One time years ago had a 71 and went from San Jose California to Fontana California in 4 hrs and 15 mins via side hwys averaged about 110 mph. oh it was fun!
Posted by: pacman Jul 20 2016, 12:14 AM
Just went 90 in a little carbureted 1.7 haha. Doesnt wanna go much faster but it was fun!
Posted by: bulitt Jul 20 2016, 04:27 AM
172 in my Viper at the Maxton Mile in 2006.
Now 3 acres an hour on my rider...
Posted by: SirAndy Jul 20 2016, 11:21 AM
Top speed is about 135mph with my stock 901. Been there, done that, have the passenger grin to prove it.
0-60mph in under 4 seconds if i can get the tires to hook up ...
Posted by: blackmoon Jul 20 2016, 12:04 PM
About 70 mph backwards, but that's another story. Barely into 120 range in the current 75 with a 2.27-4
Posted by: daraho9146 Jul 20 2016, 12:51 PM
111 mph in my 2.2 L hot rod 6 in 4th gear. The scream of the engine through the PMOs was unbelievable.
80 mph backwards in the same car going backwards. Coming home from the titty bar at 3 in the morning on my 48th birthday. I guess it wasn't my time.
140 mph in my 911 Carrera on hwy 26 between Hatch and Deming, NM
Posted by: Claus Graf Jul 20 2016, 01:16 PM
With rusty longitudinals, on Jackstands without wheels. Oh Yeah!
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Posted by: Rsjg911 Jul 20 2016, 03:35 PM
In 1974 with my 1970 Sunflower Yellow 914 with both trunks stuffed and three of us in the car (YES, I had the optional third seat belt and an arm rest/seat pad to go over the tray) going down the mountain from Lake Tahoe I was doing 105 through the twisties and backed off when I started to do a four-wheel skid. I had a blast but my friends had a crap!
150 in my 1987 Yellow 911 Cab with the top down. I ran out of road and believe I was at like 4900 rpm. You should have heard the engine!! Beautiful.
135 in my brother's and my Hemi Orange 1970 Dodge Challenger RT/SE 383 Magnum when I was 16. I was racing my friend in his dads 454 station wagon and I ran out of road (Monroeville Bypass in Pittsburgh). We later sold the car (I know, kick me) because we fought over who gopt to drive it (he always won). He got a sh** brown TR6 and I a beautiful 1 year old 914.
Also owned a 2004 Turbo Cab but only took it to about 115 in 4th gear.
1975 914 2.0L
Currently have a 1974 2.0L, an XJ8 and a G37.
Posted by: RJMII Jul 20 2016, 04:00 PM
I hit 23mph once, being tow roped by a Plymouth Champ...
Posted by: My 914 Jul 21 2016, 03:59 PM
115 MPH in my 1984 Mustang.....in the 1/4 mile.
Yeah? Funny, that, out here sometimes we play this game called http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=210228&st=0
The "Killing Mustangs" story and video are great. Its nice to read about 914's beating other cars whose drivers think they're better.
Posted by: RARE 6 Jul 21 2016, 05:07 PM
In the -6, somewhere north of 110mph in a line of 20+ Porsches out between Taos, NM, and Ft. Garland, CO back in the late '70s/early '80s. Returning from a Fiesta del Porsche in Santa Fe. Best driver in the bunch was the guy in an early '60s Impala who got in line outside of Taos and kept up for quite a while.
Fastest ever was 140mph back in high school...four of us stuffed into a brand new '63 Vette fuel injected split window. Bias ply Firestones if memory serves. Driver/owner went on to become a state trooper. One passenger became a deputy sheriff.
Something about the Lord taking care of drunks and fools comes to mind.
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it might be fast but can you drive it!
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Posted by: Reverend Troublemaker Jul 23 2016, 07:19 AM
That is not a mutually exclusive example but is often used by low-er hp drivers as a crutch. Its cute but in true motorsports, the fastest drivers are also driving the fastest equipment - without exception.
T
it might be fast but can you drive it!
Posted by: 6freak Jul 23 2016, 10:36 AM
the only thing I find cute are Puppies ! ... just trying to say anyone can drive fast in a strait line.
Posted by: d914 Jul 23 2016, 11:19 AM
old car gt clone 135 back striaght road atl.... dancing the whole way..
current car 75 mph on the back of a trailer!!
Posted by: Reverend Troublemaker Jul 23 2016, 12:34 PM
Not actually true...there are allot of factors to consider. One is higher powered cars require greater car control and skill to drive well - at least those without all the modern nannies to save them. I own both - an 80 lb tq car that is faster on a big track than my 600 hp 914. It takes allot more skill than the trivial, brush-off comments being made. To execute speed correctly and safely - skill is required - period. Just sayin...
PS: I realize you are probably just making conversation but it is just not true. No big deal though...if I had a nickle for every student who thought they were a natural Senna and thought fast was easy - I'd be a wealthy man!
Tony
the only thing I find cute are Puppies ! ... just trying to say anyone can drive fast in a strait line.
Posted by: 396 Jul 23 2016, 02:38 PM
: I realize you are probably just making conversation but it is just not true. No big deal though...if I had a nickle for every student who thought they were a natural Senna and thought fast was easy - I'd be a wealthy man
Well said, when the 996 GT2 came out. You had folks who had the means to obtain one....some "thought " just because they had one, they were the new Senna / Hamilton. Some never realized that this generation of GT2 had no PSM to save their rears.
Thus out of just a little over 900 GT2 - world wide and 410 assigned to the US market, a third have been crashed. That number was a few years ago. I suspect that a few more has been crashed by now.
Now back to "how fast has one driven " their 914
Ps...I agree that with higher HP 914, one will required more skills / faster reflexes.
Posted by: Rand Jul 23 2016, 03:03 PM
Nobody ever questioned that skill is required, rev. Drag racing requires skill. I'd love to see revCracker's times at the White City track! Different tracks, different cars, different drivers. Build and drive the way you like. I like turns, but I think the OP meant top speed in a fun light-hearted way.
Tony, you've got at least 160, right? Just share the numbers.
Posted by: Andyrew Jul 23 2016, 03:11 PM
Crackers car probably wouldnt do as well as Britians car on the White City track. His car is geared and tuned for big track/ high speed. And conversely Britians car wouldnt do as well as Crackers car on a big track
Posted by: Rand Jul 23 2016, 03:12 PM
Crackers car probably wouldnt do as well as Britians car on the White City track. His car is geared and tuned for big track/ high speed. And conversely Britians car wouldnt do as well as Crackers car on a big track
You knew that was my point, right? There's no probably about it.
Back to the OP, "How fast have you been in your 914?"
P.S., Hey Andyrew, how do you think revCrack's time would compare to your Festevia on the WC track?
That's a race I'd love to see. It would be humbling.
Posted by: Andyrew Jul 23 2016, 04:09 PM
On similar tire size and compound? It would be interesting to see muscling that track monster around on way less grip than it needs without stability control /traction control aids on such a tight course.
Assuming similar driving skill (Tony is obviously much better than me).
I think the times could be pretty even. The fiesta is a prime example of a properly tuned modern chassis and the huge advantage ABS has.
Posted by: 914bub Jul 23 2016, 06:26 PM
I know I'm late to the party.I've only gone about 45MPH in MY 914 but in high school I rode in a buddies 914 going 132 mph down 280 through Palo Alto & Los Altos hills, around 2AM. That ride was what hooked me. Only took another 30 years to get my own.
Posted by: Rand Jul 23 2016, 06:40 PM
On similar tire size and compound? It would be interesting to see muscling that track monster around on way less grip than it needs without stability control /traction control aids on such a tight course.
Assuming similar driving skill (Tony is obviously much better than me).
I think the times could be pretty even. The fiesta is a prime example of a properly tuned modern chassis and the huge advantage ABS has.
The monkey talk is fun. Tony can't AX. Not fair in this thread.
Posted by: 6freak Jul 23 2016, 07:10 PM
Not actually true...there are allot of factors to consider. One is higher powered cars require greater car control and skill to drive well - at least those without all the modern nannies to save them. I own both - an 80 lb tq car that is faster on a big track than my 600 hp 914. It takes allot more skill than the trivial, brush-off comments being made. To execute speed correctly and safely - skill is required - period. Just sayin...
PS: I realize you are probably just making conversation but it is just not true. No big deal though...if I had a nickle for every student who thought they were a natural Senna and thought fast was easy - I'd be a wealthy man!
Tony
the only thing I find cute are Puppies ! ... just trying to say anyone can drive fast in a strait line.
My names Mike Wallace and Ill put ya in wall
Posted by: Reverend Troublemaker Jul 23 2016, 07:17 PM
Nobody ever questioned that skill is required, rev.
Tony, you've got at least 160, right? Just share the numbers.
QUOTE(6freak @ Jul 23 2016, 12:36 PM) *
"... just trying to say anyone can drive fast in a strait line."
Sounds kinda skill-less to me - but that's just me. AX is not might thing - waiting around all day for a couple runs requires too much patience, which I don't have.
164.4 (but who's counting) but that too is misleading...speed is only one component of evaluating pace. The track is the largest variable, of course, my car is geared to max out at 178 - so I'm close. There isn't a road track in the US where I could achieve that pace.
T
Posted by: Maltese Falcon Jul 23 2016, 07:20 PM
Recent conversation with retired 82 year old racer Harald Von Keszycki still has him in the running for one of the fastest 914's with a production chassis.
A long long time ago Harald purchased Erwin Kremers 1970 LeMans winning 914/6 GT. He then built it into a monster in the mid 1970's. At its peak it ran in excess of 550 HP with just a little 2.1 Liter motor. It took a lot of bodywork to keep it on the ground at 180mph.
Later Group 5 cars (non production tube frame cars) which are essentially prototypes gave the Von K 914 a run for the money. With factory racing budgets they only beat it by few mph.
Taken from my friend Victor V. word for word who raced professionally with Harald Von K. "looking at Von K's 914 and telling him he was going to shoot somebody with the way the turbo system was configured . Sure enough, he burst a turbo wheel and shot a Datsun at Riverside".
Haralds response: "Yeah, and on the way out the turbine wheel knurled a spiral path into the inside of the tailpipe, sort of rifling its own barrel. Wish I had a picture".
Yes that is Ferry Porsche admiring Haralds work in the photo.
I grew up in SoCal and have seen this car when Harald had shop set up in Woodland Hills a long time ago. Was also fortunate to be able to hang out at Dan McLoughlin's shop in Burbank. Dan made the glass body panels for the Von K 914. Dan purchased A.I.R ( in name) from actor James Garner who started the AIR Racing Ream ( Vettes and Lola's). A little history few people remember. Dan is no longer involved with AIR. He sold it a few years ago. The quality of the glass today is not like it was.
Harald Von K has a small website with some cool reading. A good article from Classic VW's is on one of the links.
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://209.128.70.155/Turbo3.jpg&imgrefurl=http://209.128.70.155/toys.html&h=255&w=324&sz=27&hl=en&start=154&tbnid=enSasIjyd3QcQM:&tbnh=108&tbnw=137&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dporsche%2B914-6%2BGT%26start%3D140%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN
Jeff,
Thanks for providing these wonderful pictures...boy it takes me back to those early years when I used to see Von K at the POC events.
Sorry to hear of Von K passing.. RIP Von
I'd have to agree on Harald von K's turbo (a floor pan car) being one of the most high velocity of the 914s . I've seen him work it at Riverside raceway. My turbo development was in its infancy with a single turbo 2.7L in a narrow body with 7" slicks, final drive gearing limited to hitting the mid 130s in the back straight (901 trans)
Watching Harald run in the wicked fast Red class was a sight to see. One afternoon in the garage at RIR he was tearing into a gear set change on his 915 tranny. Hot oily parts everywhere and then we saw the gears on the ground with the teeth sheared off 
It was running with, and sometimes away from the 12 cyl Porsches ยก!Marty
Posted by: 6freak Jul 25 2016, 10:26 AM
Nobody ever questioned that skill is required, rev.
Tony, you've got at least 160, right? Just share the numbers.
QUOTE(6freak @ Jul 23 2016, 12:36 PM) *
"... just trying to say anyone can drive fast in a strait line."
Sounds kinda skill-less to me - but that's just me. AX is not might thing - waiting around all day for a couple runs requires too much patience, which I don't have.
164.4 (but who's counting) but that too is misleading...speed is only one component of evaluating pace. The track is the largest variable, of course, my car is geared to max out at 178 - so I'm close. There isn't a road track in the US where I could achieve that pace.
T
...god if I had a dollar for every instuctor i had to tell! get in sit down shut up and hang on "...id be rich126MPH only because that track wasnt long enough
GTFOH
Posted by: 6freak Jul 26 2016, 03:16 PM
Nobody ever questioned that skill is required, rev.
Tony, you've got at least 160, right? Just share the numbers.
QUOTE(6freak @ Jul 23 2016, 12:36 PM) *
"... just trying to say anyone can drive fast in a strait line."
Sounds kinda skill-less to me - but that's just me. AX is not might thing - waiting around all day for a couple runs requires too much patience, which I don't have.
164.4 (but who's counting) but that too is misleading...speed is only one component of evaluating pace. The track is the largest variable, of course, my car is geared to max out at 178 - so I'm close. There isn't a road track in the US where I could achieve that pace.
T
...god if I had a dollar for every instuctor i had to tell! get in sit down shut up and hang on "...id be rich126MPH only because that track wasnt long enough
GTFOHThat was rude of me to say you dont have skills ! I apologize Rev
Now back to going fast in a 914
Posted by: Reverend Troublemaker Jul 26 2016, 03:43 PM
No biggies 6freak - this place has given me thick skin. Cheers.
T
Posted by: carr914 Jul 26 2016, 05:35 PM
115 in a 914 2.0
135 in a 914-6 2.5
140 in a 916
185 in a 911
195 in a Viper
Posted by: wndsrfr Jul 26 2016, 05:56 PM
Here's my fastest in the 2.7/6....at Daytona last December, 145 on 225/45/15's hitting the rev limiter, 153 on 225/50/16's also just touching the rev limiter. Car stable, driver edgy. This clip shows the speedo buried well over 150 around 1:05 but actual was 145. Turn up the volume & enjoy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdsRVmnX09c
Posted by: Reverend Troublemaker Jul 26 2016, 07:43 PM
538 mph last week courtesy of Delta! Damn. Focus. 914's.
T
Posted by: Rand Jul 26 2016, 07:50 PM
Just when I wanted you to change your name back, you switch to the metric system. Sigh.
Posted by: Cracker Jul 15 2017, 07:05 AM
...you must of been young and naive "back then" to spew this logic Andyrew! 
T
The v8's have the disadvantage of gearing and low rpm's. Most v8's dont pull much past 6k rpms. while T4's and Porsche 6's can rev past 7k. giving them MUCh more rpms' to work with in those gears.
Posted by: Andyrew Jul 15 2017, 03:21 PM
There is truth in my statement I made when I was 20...
Posted by: toolguy Jul 15 2017, 05:31 PM
Many years ago . Virginia Beach to San Diego. . 43 hours nonstop. No pills - lots of coffee
or
Holtville PCA time trials in the late 70's. . 7400 rpm in fifth, stock gearing 914-6 with 185/70 14 tires and rims. . didn't have time to look at the speedo. 2.o S spec motor
Posted by: thelogo Jul 15 2017, 10:36 PM
What should be being asked about is not how fast but
???? !!!! ???? !! ???? !
but whos has the fastest car on this world or club .
But im not encourage in people to speed on public roads
But would still like to know
cars that are technically street legal not racers
I just got the big 4 and ive gone about 92 down the 605
Xxx typo
No i mean down Bonneville salt flats
It will go faster but , see below
Wonder what that guys top speed was
Shame to wrek such a sweet ride .
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Posted by: kaiserms Jul 15 2017, 11:01 PM
165 mph on the speedo. Done at Riverside Raceway at POC event. We were
running the long course and I hit 165 on the back straight before turn 9.
Even more amazing, I got passed by a 935. Felt like he was doing 180-190!
I was driving a '72 914-6 conversion. It had a special built twin-plug 2.5 motor
rated at 290hp. Great car & very fast.
This was 1986 before Riverside shut down. What a tremendous track!
Posted by: kgruen2 Jul 16 2017, 12:51 AM
130 per my phone GPS. Indicated about 135. This was in my '73 2.0. Upgraded engine, stock tranny (as far as I know). Tach was around 5900 rpm. Car is wearing 195/65x15 tires. Was still pulling. Could probably get 5mph more, but ran out of room and was catching up to traffic.
Posted by: Cracker Jul 16 2017, 06:03 AM
Anyone who IS looking at a SPEEDOMETER at over 150 mph - particularity on a track (presumably with corners and other cars) should question whether they should be driving. Just sayin'...
T
"...didn't have time to look at the speedo. 2.o S spec motor"
Posted by: ablesnead Jul 16 2017, 09:43 AM
Tony , you could max your car at Daytona...and plenty of time t look at speedo...not really a fun track to me , a few turns and a long time flat out hoping something doesn't fall off and kill you , my GTU 911 did one seventy three by gearing calculations..
Posted by: Cracker Jul 16 2017, 10:02 AM
Correct. I was referring to a "normal" road course though...Daytona would be an exception. I would still question the rational of such a practice; driving by numbers is amateurish; and amateurs should not be going 170 mph. For instance, I would never be looking at my speed at Road Atlanta, flat through T9 (blind corner!); preparing for the worst case scenario (my car + others'); and head up looking for my Mark and line. I use an AIM Solo that datal logs - the cycle rate is high (1/100 sec) and the accuracy is too. I am not trying to be an overly-conservative was, not even a smart one; just a smart calculating driver.
T
Posted by: Curbandgutter Jul 16 2017, 10:10 AM
I have a 914/6 tube-framed car with a 2.7L 6 in it. I managed 150 according to a gear chart on the long course at Pocono Raceway. I have a wing on the car (and did at the time of the aforementioned run). Prior to adding the wing the car would get pretty light in the rear above 110 mph.
Hey stownsen914 do you have a build blog on your tube-framed car......I'm sure more than just me would be interested in seeing it.
Posted by: Steve Jul 16 2017, 10:38 AM
When I was much younger and stupid, I was doing over 140 on I-5 back in the late 80's. Same car but with a 2.7, Weber's, headers and stock trans. Nice long straight aways, playing tag with the Mustangs. The stock Mustangs could do around 120 back then, but there was a Saleen Mustang that could keep up with me. The highway patrol arrested one of the drivers of the stock 5.0 Mustang, while me and the Saleen Mustang watched from a rest stop.
Posted by: SKL1 Jul 16 2017, 11:26 PM
Did over 100 in a 914-6 on the high banks of Daytona as a passeger back in 1970 or 1971 (dont' remember exact date) and have my little card showing I"m a member of the 100 mph club to prove it!
Did some pretty stupid things in my 914's over the years, but probably never was much over 100...
("a friend" did average over 100 with a friend on Oklahoma Turnpike many years ago going back to IA in a modded 914-6 from the old Tulsa tech sessions put on by War Bonnett region. We "lost" our ticket because it had the time stamped on it when we started...)
Posted by: HalfMoon Jul 17 2017, 08:12 AM
This is an interesting thread.
Interesting for what it's not mentioning.
In past threads, I've read that the 914 can get pretty twitchy at triple digits. And very recently (after years of work) I felt mine was safe enough to take into the triples. I found it to be quite twitchy myself. This is going to be my primary track car and will certainly be getting into those speeds and after having consulted some track pals and a mechanic that's familiar with my local track, I've decided to build a splitter out of ABS. I'm hoping that this will help get some downforce on the front end and settle things down some.
Anyone else experience this "twitchy" feel at high speed and build a splitter?
Posted by: Andyrew Jul 17 2017, 08:38 AM
This is an interesting thread.
Interesting for what it's not mentioning.
In past threads, I've read that the 914 can get pretty twitchy at triple digits. And very recently (after years of work) I felt mine was safe enough to take into the triples. I found it to be quite twitchy myself. This is going to be my primary track car and will certainly be getting into those speeds and after having consulted some track pals and a mechanic that's familiar with my local track, I've decided to build a splitter out of ABS. I'm hoping that this will help get some downforce on the front end and settle things down some.
Anyone else experience this "twitchy" feel at high speed and build a splitter?
Lets see your rear end, I've been to 130 many, many times as thats the top of third for me in my current configuration. I feel the front is more twitchy than the rear at this point and thats probably all alignment. I know my downforce is low at the rear and my big tires probably help my mechanical grip. I do plan to add a diffuser later.
You can see how high I cut my rear bumper in an attempt at gaining clean airflow under the car.
Posted by: Cracker Jul 17 2017, 08:54 AM
There's more to consider than meets the eye...without balance it will not work well. Adding a splitter in and of itself is not a solution - especially on a teener. If you are going to consistently drive fast (in a 914), below are the three most important things to consider (and in this order). If you install and get all of these correct - you are good. No need for a diffuser at that point. Just my experience and opinion...
PS: If you cannot literally STAND 100% on your splitter - you are wasting your time. But I do not think you should install one anyway (first anyhow). It needs to be able to support 250+ pounds - not so sure ABS is going to get you there. Don't put it on - at least first - address in order below and test each time.
1) Alignment
2) Rear Wing
3) Splitter
T
...I've decided to build a splitter out of ABS. I'm hoping that this will help get some downforce on the front end and settle things down some.
Anyone else experience this "twitchy" feel at high speed and build a splitter?
Posted by: HalfMoon Jul 17 2017, 09:09 AM
There's more to consider than meets the eye...without balance it will not work well. Adding a splitter in and of itself is not a solution - especially on a teener. If you are going to consistently drive fast (in a 914), below are the three most important things to consider (and in this order). If you install and get all of these correct - you are good. No need for a diffuser at that point. Just my experience and opinion...
PS: If you cannot literally STAND 100% on your splitter - you are wasting your time. But I do not think you should install one anyway (first anyhow). It needs to be able to support 250+ pounds - not so sure ABS is going to get you there. Don't put it on - at least first - address in order below and test each time.
1) Alignment
2) Rear Wing
3) Splitter
T
...I've decided to build a splitter out of ABS. I'm hoping that this will help get some downforce on the front end and settle things down some.
Anyone else experience this "twitchy" feel at high speed and build a splitter?
One (four wheel with corner balancing) and two already done, see image for rear wing.
ABS material, 3/16 (back to back). The upper shelf out about 3", the lower shelf adjustable for 5" total. The upper shelf will extend back to about centerline of the front wheels of the tub.
This is a material and configuration other people are using at my local track (SUmmit Point).
I think my rear wing is actually causing the imbalance.
Posted by: Cracker Jul 17 2017, 10:20 AM
Ok. Here is what I have...
1) That is not a wing...that is a rear spoiler. It is doing nothing but for looks. Nothing.
2) A steel frame needs to be made that bolts to the suspension cross-member in the rear and the front torsion bar caps in the front. My diagram is attached below...
3) You can use the ABS but skin in on (at least) one side with 14 gauge stainless sheet - the whole splitter. Do not worry about adding weight...
4) Do not do any of this until a proper wing is installed...this is a major PITA - just being honest. I have attached a couple pictures below of my set-up - this took some time to figure out.
5) My experience (and screw-ups) have taught me not having enough negative toe in the rear causing high-speed instability. Adjust for a minimum of .100 per side and up to .200 if you have more than 400 hp/tq.
6) Good luck!
Tony
Splitter Detail
Upright Detail
Wing Strut Detail
Upright core and strut
Splitter (Carbon, Kevlar with honeycomb core) with embedded aluminum hardpoints
Car on track...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5x4hRTzKFXw
Posted by: Cracker Jul 17 2017, 10:46 AM
As a matter of record...when I locked the front up in the above video - I did not have the splitter on the car. It was fractured earlier in the day. It broke at 160 and caused allot of trouble. I ran without it the remainder of the weekend (mistake really) - thus the lock up due no front (or reduced) downforce. It REALLY does matter...
Tony
Posted by: jmitro Jul 17 2017, 11:20 AM
I've decided to build a splitter out of ABS. I'm hoping that this will help get some downforce on the front end and settle things down some.
I tried ABS sheet plastic before. Too heavy and too flexible.
You should instead use a carbon sandwich with honeycomb core; much lighter and stiffer. $$$
dragonplate.com
Posted by: HalfMoon Jul 17 2017, 11:29 AM
Ok. Here is what I have...
1) That is not a wing...that is a rear spoiler. It is doing nothing but for looks. Nothing.
2) A steel frame needs to be made that bolts to the suspension cross-member in the rear and the front torsion bar caps in the front. My diagram is attached below...
3) You can use the ABS but skin in on (at least) one side with 14 gauge stainless sheet - the whole splitter. Do not worry about adding weight...
4) Do not do any of this until a proper wing is installed...this is a major PITA - just being honest. I have attached a couple pictures below of my set-up - this took some time to figure out.
5) My experience (and screw-ups) have taught me not having enough negative toe in the rear causing high-speed instability. Adjust for a minimum of .100 per side and up to .200 if you have more than 400 hp/tq.
6) Good luck!
Tony
Splitter Detail
Upright Detail
Wing Strut Detail
Upright core and strut
Splitter (Carbon, Kevlar with honeycomb core) with embedded aluminum hardpoints
Good data.
Thanks
Posted by: mepstein Jul 17 2017, 11:45 AM
I'd like to do it in something that was designed for fast.
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Posted by: Cracker Jul 17 2017, 11:59 AM
Since "dreaming" is now allowed...why stop there? The problem for me is at 6'6" and 230 lbs I could barely get my big toe in the F1 car (not that it matters of course)!
T
I'd like to do it in something that was designed for fast.
Not in the same universe as the other two but...it is mine and the most amazing car I have driven on track.
Posted by: GregAmy Jul 17 2017, 12:23 PM
It will go faster but , see below
Wonder what that guys top speed was
Shame to wrek such a sweet ride .
That's James Dean's crash. A Ford made a left turn across his path and he collided with it. He was reportedly driving about 85mph.
Posted by: ConeDodger Jul 18 2017, 03:24 PM
About 128 and change at Thunderhill according to GPS. That was with the 4 cylinder borrowed Dwight Mitchell motor that is destined for Jim Dupree's car...
Posted by: mepstein Jul 18 2017, 03:50 PM
Since "dreaming" is now allowed...why stop there? The problem for me is at 6'6" and 230 lbs I could barely get my big toe in the F1 car (not that it matters of course)!
T
I'd like to do it in something that was designed for fast.
Not in the same universe as the other two but...it is mine and the most amazing car I have driven on track.
Thw 962 is not mine
but I did sit in it and make vroom vroom noises.
Posted by: ablesnead Jul 18 2017, 09:53 PM
the front bumper profile would almost negate the effect of a 4" splitter on that white car
Posted by: get off my lawn Jul 19 2017, 04:17 PM
6100 rpm, 5th gear, stock 901 transmission gearing, 205-15 tires with a "stock" 4 cylinder 2 liter.
(with a little boost)
That was fast for a 914 but I've been much faster in a drag boat.
Posted by: tjtryon Jul 19 2017, 08:07 PM
I've been close to 150 in mine by the end of the front straight, but that was a ton of front to rear bumper drafting of a 993 and my engine is, um, not stock (84mm crank and 103mm pistons, dual Weber's), for 138hp at rear wheel. Likely had a hell of a tail wind, as I've not seen over 135ish since.
Posted by: tjtryon Jul 19 2017, 08:12 PM
My Speedo is usually taped over at the track, but telemetry is always fun to look at after.
Anyone who IS looking at a SPEEDOMETER at over 150 mph - particularity on a track (presumably with corners and other cars) should question whether they should be driving. Just sayin'...
T
"...didn't have time to look at the speedo. 2.o S spec motor"
Posted by: GregAmy Jul 19 2017, 08:34 PM
I've been close to 150 in mine by the end of the front straight...
That's pretty impressive. I have a 225whp Honda Civic 6-speed that I raced at Daytona, and I was only able to attain 149.3 mph across the tri-oval, while in the draft (per GPS-based data acq).
My Speedo is usually taped over at the track, but telemetry is always fun to look at after.
Amen. I don't look 'til after. I don't want to know.
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