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Posted by: Ferg May 15 2007, 03:31 PM

So, I have been wanting to change up my exhaust/muffler for a bit now. I have a nice new bursch and it's decent, but I hate the chrome tip, and how far it sticks out, and I'm not keen on the quality of the actual muffler ect.

I'm looking to have a local shop weld on a new tip, (wider and a angled towards the drivers side) and possibly replace the muffler itself with a magnaflow or similar.

Here is what I'll be starting with.



Let's see pics of what you guys have done.

Ferg

Posted by: Jake Raby May 15 2007, 03:38 PM

Chances are very good that any local shop may make something look or sound cool for your car, BUT it will it is very likely to HURT performance and efficiency.

The Type 4 engine is VERY exhaust dependant and responds seriously to exhaust system configuration changes- about 90% of the custom exhausts I have come into contact with have been absolutely incorrectly designed for the Type 4.

Make one call to Chris Foley and it'll be done.. Looks sound and performance that has been proven right here under my roof.

Posted by: Ferg May 15 2007, 03:45 PM

I agree with you Jake. Chris's stuff is the BEST.

But, I need heat, it's a street car, and I'm on a budget. So, what I'm hoping to achieve is same dynamics as the bursch system with better cosmetics.

Ferg

Posted by: Demick May 15 2007, 03:51 PM

I don't have a better picture right now. But I've got a Bursch style collector (actually an S&S 4-1 collector) with a Flowmaster muffler welded on. Muffler tip is larger diameter and angled toward the drivers side just like you are talking about.


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Posted by: Ferg May 15 2007, 03:54 PM

Thanks Demick! That's pretty close to what I'm imagining.

Ferg.

Posted by: messix May 15 2007, 04:29 PM

that one needs a longer collector to be effective. i'd give up some on the primary extensions for a longer collector extension.

Posted by: r_towle May 15 2007, 04:39 PM

I would bring your existing system to the shop and have them weld on a three bolt flange.
Then you can weld another three bolt flange to any muffler you choose that will fit.
I have a bursch, and when its time, it will be cut and a flange will be added, it just gives you more flexability.

Rich

Posted by: messix May 15 2007, 04:45 PM

great idea!

Posted by: TROJANMAN May 15 2007, 04:48 PM

ask Britt

Posted by: Rand May 15 2007, 05:04 PM

Stop it Gregor! Oy.

On a serious note. I snuck over to Alpha's and snapped a spy photo of what he's been working on. Troy and Britt were arguing over the implementation at this point:


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Posted by: TROJANMAN May 15 2007, 05:15 PM

WOW, are those titanium tail pipes?

Posted by: Demick May 15 2007, 05:16 PM

Lincoln TIG welder: $1200
40 feet of 2" dia pipe from Home Depot: $86
Welding and fitting: 6 hours
The look you get when you drive your pink POS around town: Priceless

Posted by: Aaron Cox May 15 2007, 05:19 PM

gonna lop off the third tip....

Posted by: TROJANMAN May 15 2007, 08:09 PM

that thing looks like an udder

Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) May 15 2007, 08:54 PM

udderly cool

Posted by: Maltese Falcon May 16 2007, 12:41 AM

Bursch with custom flange, to a Magnaflow (aluminized) , out the R rear of the valence.
Nice sound (not a glasspack) especially on decel.
marty

Posted by: Martin Baker May 16 2007, 12:45 AM

.........

Posted by: Racer Chris May 16 2007, 12:55 PM

I can just make out the bottom of the Phase 9 Silencer before the Supertrapp.

Posted by: type47fan May 16 2007, 09:49 PM

SBC V8 varoom!


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Posted by: East coaster May 17 2007, 08:40 AM

My poser Boxter muff:

Posted by: BIGKAT_83 May 17 2007, 08:48 AM

East Coaster................... That is NICE.

Posted by: Tom May 17 2007, 09:05 AM

Ferg,
PM me and I will try to get the pics of my Triad to you. I can not seem to figure out how to get them to go here , but have sent others pics after they Pm me at Powellta@psns.navy.mil.
Expensive exhaust , but excellent quality.
Tom

Posted by: RockinOldSchool Jun 29 2007, 01:36 AM

Sorry to resurrect but I had a quick question.

What series is that flowmaster and how does it sound compared to a normal bursch?
I was looking into welding a 40 series in place of the muffler on my bursch system. I'm looking for something a little bit deeper and louder.

And before anyone starts recommending exhaust systems, I'm a broke college student but can get a discount on the flowmaster at work and have access to a welder.

Posted by: Dr. Roger Jun 29 2007, 04:07 AM

If you're a real CSOB like me, cruise craigslist for someone who's upgraded their Corvette exhaust system. I think I got 2 muffs, in excellent condition, with pipe for around $40.00.

I chopped off the ends, shortened to fit correctly, removed 3 of the 5 baffles, and welded the ends back on.

The tips are now painted high gloss black.

Sounds sick but not too loud. Heck, I'm 43. I don't need cops tailing me anymore.


Good luck. Be sure to let us know what you decide and include lots of pics!

Roger

Posted by: iamchappy Jun 29 2007, 07:33 AM

Getting ready to weld the exhaust tip on after I have the engine back in for the fitting.


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Posted by: GWN7 Jun 29 2007, 09:20 AM

The V8 car.... super quiet........when I want noise I unbolt the mufflers from the collectors


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Posted by: alpha434 Jun 29 2007, 12:43 PM

My car's not pink. It's "Wine Red"!

Posted by: Lavanaut Jun 29 2007, 12:55 PM

Oh me too man.

My Triad setup

Posted by: pin31 Jun 29 2007, 01:33 PM

Lavanaut,
I have a Triad too....how did you modify your rear valance (I don't have a rear valance). Did you add the chrome tips?

Tim


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Posted by: degreeoff Jun 29 2007, 02:22 PM

Why not just add a fourth....

Posted by: Lavanaut Jun 29 2007, 02:23 PM

Yep, the chrome tips were my addition. As for the valence, in short, like this:

1. Traced the outline of the stock valence opening onto card stock for use as a stencil
2. Traced card stock stencil onto the right side of the valence
3. Cut out valence notch using a dremmel steel cutting wheel
4. Sanded rough edge down, sanded whole valence
5. Repainted black

I took lots of pictures and have been meaning to do a write-up, but haven't gotten around to it. PM me if you wanna know more.

Hey Ferg, based on what you said, the Triad might work well for you out of the box. If you don't want to notch your valence, I believe there's a single tip version available. I LOVE the triad.

Here's a pic before the chrome tips, a little dark but gives the general idea.

Posted by: Lavanaut Jun 29 2007, 02:30 PM

One more, just because when I was trying to make an exhaust decision, I couldn't get enough of pics like these.

Posted by: dflesburg Jun 29 2007, 03:58 PM

udderly rediculous

Posted by: RockinOldSchool Jun 30 2007, 12:23 AM

I'm not too sure how good that would sound on a near stock 2.0 T4.

Not to mention the piping would be a pain in the ace to hook up to the heat exchangers.

Posted by: GWN7 Jun 30 2007, 12:36 AM

uhhhh.....Dr. Roger's has a 5.7

Posted by: RockinOldSchool Jun 30 2007, 12:37 AM

I know. He was suggesting I get vette mufflers for mine. I think he believed I have a V8 conversion.
I was saying the vette mufflers are intended for a SBC and probably wouldn't sound too nice on my 2 liter.

Posted by: Gint Jun 30 2007, 09:38 AM

I like my Triad too, but it's pretty loud with carbs. And Ferg has seen and heard my car with the Triad on it. Ferg's car has carbs also.

Before leaving for the AR, I put a stock muffler on mine. From the driver's seat it sounds great. Decel is really quiet and I could use a little more noise there, but otherwise it's quiet enough but loud enough if you know what I mean.

Ferg,
I don't think you've heard my car since I put the stock muffler on it. You'll have to take it for a spin when you get back form MI.

Posted by: xitspd Jun 30 2007, 08:12 PM

Under full throttle with the sound of (6) 50 MM Pmo's, reminds me of a combat zone..... I love the smell of Napalm in the morning.

Dan


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Posted by: Gint Jun 30 2007, 10:17 PM

What muffler is that? Stainless?

Posted by: xitspd Jun 30 2007, 10:36 PM

Gint,

It is a customized M&K for Patrick Motorsports headers. Yes it is stainless polished in San Jacinto, California.

Dan

Posted by: Ferg Jul 7 2007, 10:38 PM

I'm back from MI and did the exhaust mod myself. wife has the camera so no pics yet but maybe somebody will take a shot at my BBQ on the 14th. I ended up taking a hack saw to the bursch and it now looks great. It now points to the side and angled down, and is much shorter and subtle than before.

Ferg

Posted by: dekman Jul 7 2007, 11:09 PM

"Modified Monty" ( I love big butts!)


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Posted by: JPB Jul 8 2007, 09:12 AM

If you like loudness, raising the dead, and having neighbours chasing you around the block get Supertraps and Kerry Hunter headers. Not that they are the best or anything but easilly available at swap meets.


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