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Posted by: hwgunner Jun 18 2007, 11:42 PM

OK, so I need a little help. For all the cars I have pulled apart, I am pretty much a maverick and just start pulling things off without reguard for order or proper form. I am trying to change that and pretty much hit a brick wall right off the bat. I can not get the flywheel bolts (17mm) to budge. I have not hit them with the impact wrench but have hit them with penetrating oil. Any good tips. I know these get torqued down to 120lbs or something but now how do I get them off. I want to get the flywheel off so that I can mount it on my engine stand with the steel 'ring' which brings up the second question. If you ae facing the trans end of the engine, which side does the ring go on so that you cansplit the case and get to all the good stuff in side. I know this is long but your help is appreciated. Here is a pic.


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Posted by: sww914 Jun 19 2007, 12:01 AM

Impact will work better than torque. Put your ratchet on there and HIT it with a hammer, or use your impact driver or impact gun.
IIRC, you build (and install the mount on) the R side of the engine as installed in a 914, the L side as installed in a VW or 911.
I may make it down to SM later this week, I'll call you of I head that way.

Posted by: Blood red 914-6gt Jun 19 2007, 12:04 AM

You will never get them of without an impact gun. Well, I guess never is a little over kill, but it would be very very difficult. Put an impact on there and them zip right off.

Posted by: hwgunner Jun 19 2007, 12:05 AM

Thanks, I will try the hammer. The one thing that I did find is that the heads of the bolts are so shallow the socket does not like to 'grab'. I will try though.

just call me and I will do everything I can to meet you. thanks

Posted by: hwgunner Jun 19 2007, 12:16 AM

Is that a challenge??? Remember I said "maverick"!!! I can get them out without the impact for sure, no question!! The grinder is a little loud at 10:13 even in my garage though.

I wont go there.

Posted by: Blood red 914-6gt Jun 19 2007, 12:18 AM

Challenge on. Do it to prove me wrong.

Posted by: hwgunner Jun 19 2007, 12:25 AM

You're not helping. Bliss around here, three kids and a wife, has been hard to find lately and now you want me to go dig out the grinder in the middle of the night??? Nope, peer pressure wont work!! I learned that a long time ago somewhere between the railing and Marina Vallarta (the water). Damn that hurt!!!

Posted by: Dave_Darling Jun 19 2007, 01:03 AM

A flywheel lock and a big breaker bar worked pretty well for me!!

Come to think of it, last time I used a screwdriver jammed into the flywheel teeth instead of the flywheel lock. (D'OH!) I'm probably lucky I didn't break anything--but I didn't.

--DD

Posted by: Blood red 914-6gt Jun 19 2007, 01:06 AM

I know the feeling. My little 10 month old's bedroom is right next to the garage. I can't wait to build my secondary garage out back so I can work late at night. Honestly though, air gun...Zip,Zip,Zip,Zip,Zip...done

Posted by: McMark Jun 19 2007, 01:12 AM

with Dave.

I use a large screw driver between the bottom stud and the flywheel ring gear teeth. Never had a problem. Big breaker bar if necessary. They are torqued to 80 ft/lbs IIRC.

Posted by: Blood red 914-6gt Jun 19 2007, 01:16 AM

So you guys prove me wrong. It's not like I have never been wrong before Air tools are just easier.... as long as you don break bolts and I've never done that before Gotta learn somehow right?

Posted by: fitsbain Jun 19 2007, 04:10 AM

I did it with a half drive breaker, and 10 ft of pipe. Only took 1 finger to get them out.

Posted by: rhodyguy Jun 19 2007, 11:06 AM

go to a vw parts retailer and get one of these. i think i paid about $10. break out the impact gun. you'll spend more time waiting for the compressor to charge with air than you will removing the bolts.

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Posted by: hwgunner Jun 19 2007, 11:11 AM

Actually I am not haveing a problem with that at the moment. The motor is not turning over. I was just not able to get good grip on the bolts and get enough pressure on them to loosen them. I am going to hit them with an impact when I get home.

Posted by: Blood red 914-6gt Jun 19 2007, 12:12 PM

Posted by: 736conver Jun 19 2007, 12:21 PM

I remember being at a junkyard once picking up a chevy 350. The guy tried an impact on the flywheel bolts, didnt budge. He brought out the torch heated them up and they came right off with the impact.

Heat helps alot. And not the propane handheld type.

Posted by: Joe Ricard Jun 19 2007, 03:03 PM

6 point impact socket

not just a 6 point chrome one from the craftsman tool set. Well unless you want to break it.

Air tools ROCK!

brute force is even better. 3/16" thick x 2" wide 36" long flat bar. put the pressure plate bolts back in with a thick washer. put flat bar against flywheel engage two bolts and then get your 1/2" drive breaker bar with 3 or 4 ft. of pipe.

Now stand on it man!!!!!!!!!!! or jump if your a little guy.

Posted by: hwgunner Jun 19 2007, 09:01 PM

ZIP! ZIP! ZIP!




























Got it!!!
Air tools ROCK!!!


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Posted by: hwgunner Jun 19 2007, 09:26 PM

BTW, I said somthin' to the Cap'n about this and the grinder and he suggested cutting slots in the bolt heads and then using the impact screwdriver to get them off. No kiddin', he has an impact screwdriver you hit with a hammer.

Posted by: Headrage Jun 19 2007, 09:31 PM

Unfortunately I have said things that didn't jive with what the Cap'n said and was wrong.


I'm glad you got the flywheel off.