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Posted by: Dr Evil Jul 16 2007, 10:49 PM

Many people, including my self on my first 914, have suffered the annoying leaking from the tranny speedo drive seal. This is actually not that big of a deal to fix and I figured while I had a tail cone on my bench for a customer that I would document this for everyone.

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Steps:
- Drain the tranny: Remove the filler hole first! This way you know if you can refill the tranny after you have drained it.
- Remove bolt labeled "I". This is a common point of failure in that many over torque this when installing or the threads erode out. It may be helicoiled, but it is no big deal if the repair is done well.
- Once bolt "I" is removed you should be able to grab the speedo drive and rotate it back and forth while pulling it out. If this fails then grab "III" with a crescent wrench and rotate the assembly in the CLOCKWISE direction while pulling. Be careful not to stress the angle part of the drive as it can become loose. Be patient and use some common mechanical sense (ya, ya, I know, not always so common).
- Do not grip "II" with a pipe wrench or other implement of mechanical blasphemy! Follow the above step and it will come loose, if not, then a pipe wrench will not help you and you will need to get more creative with the PB Blaster and such.

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With all of the parts apart you can see why you do not need to torque bolt "I" down too hard, the tip only needs to sit in the pit "V". "IV" shows the threads that tend to strip (mentioned above). "VI" is part of the problem. It is a cheap part to replace and is 1/2 of the problem.

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The other 1/2 of the problem is the bore which becomes corroded over time or contaminated with crud. Once you clean this bore with some solvent, take some fine grit sand paper (600 or finer) and make sure the bore is smooth. If there are irregularities then smooth them out. If there are gouges, clean them up with solvent and smear JB weld (very little) into them. Once dry, sand down until it is all smoothed out. Put on new O-ring, lube it lightly with oil and put it all together. The retaining bolt "I" is torqued to ONLY 12-13 ft.lbs. (NO MORE or you'll be sorry! sad.gif )

That should be all it takes biggrin.gif beer.gif


Posted by: kconway Jul 17 2007, 12:02 AM

Dr. Nice and timely. I have a new angle drive to install, item # III in the first photo. How does that part separate from item # II in same photo? I thought there was another seal involved in this mechanism. Big wrench?

Kev

Posted by: Dr Evil Jul 17 2007, 12:15 AM

Yup, you can use a big crescent and twist counter clockwise (Lefty loosey)

There is no seal that I know of "in" the angle drive. None that I have ever had to replace, but I have not had much cause to dissect the drive itself.

Posted by: Mrs. K Jul 17 2007, 12:20 AM

Dr. Evil:

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How to fix a leaky tranny rear, Yes, I see the obvious joke in the title biggrin.gif



............ummmmm....



you use that *special* rear end adjustment tool? confused24.gif
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Lisa
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Posted by: kconway Jul 17 2007, 12:23 AM

QUOTE(Dr Evil @ Jul 16 2007, 11:15 PM) *

Yup, you can use a big crescent and twist counter clockwise (Lefty loosey)

There is no seal that I know of "in" the angle drive. None that I have ever had to replace, but I have not had much cause to dissect the drive itself.



I was looking at this thread: http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=50540&hl=angle++drive

and it listed these two parts:

Seal: 999 113 036 50 $8.22
O ring: 999 701 084 50 $ .91

Wondering where the seal goes? Looks like SirAndy answered that at the end of the thread I attached. Goes on the inner shaft? I pulled mine and it didn't have that seal.

Posted by: Dr Evil Jul 17 2007, 01:31 AM

Well, I learn something new every day biggrin.gif It is not covered at all in the shop manual sad.gif Thanks for linking those here so others can reference them thumb3d.gif

I will see about updating the write up to include this part (that only makes sense).

Posted by: watsonrx13 Jul 17 2007, 05:33 AM

OK, I've checked both threads, but I don't understand where the seal goes. blink.gif

Can someone post a pic of the seal installed?

-- Rob

Posted by: xperu Jul 17 2007, 07:47 AM

Thanks Dr Evil, the timing for me is perfect, I'll be into it this weekend. Thanks again. Mike

Posted by: kconway Jul 17 2007, 09:07 AM

Found this exploded view, looks like its in the #4 stackup.

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Pulled my angle drive off and think I found a blue seal in the housing part.

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Posted by: Gint Jul 17 2007, 05:12 PM

I had to look at this thread... smile.gif

Posted by: swl Aug 20 2007, 08:29 PM

picture below shows a variation on the angle drive. Note that there are two nuts on this one. The smaller one locks the angle drive onto the shaft- don't touch it.

This drive is from a car with a 08 72 build date. My new car has a 03 73 build date and has an angle drive like the one Mike is showing here.
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Posted by: Cap'n Krusty Aug 20 2007, 08:51 PM

Nice writeup. That said, you didn't address the VERY common issue with the bore getting ovaled or hogged out from the drive pinion housing wobbling about. Sanding, smoothing, and cleaning doesn't fix big worn grooved in the soft metal bore. As far as I can determine, you have to either sleeve it or toss the cover. Sleeving would have to be done in a mill, something most of us don't have in the garage. The Cap'n

Posted by: kconway Aug 20 2007, 09:33 PM

Not trying to step on Mike's how-to here but I discovered another part in this equation for this fix. Turns out there is an aluminum washer that comes out and has to be replaced if your replacing the oil seal.

take a look here -> http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=75154

Posted by: Dr Evil Aug 20 2007, 10:29 PM

Not stepping on anything, your making it better biggrin.gif My original intention was to do a quick (due to time constraints) write up on what has been in my experience a most common cause of this. All of you put in your $.02 and made it better than I had intended and that is a good thing thumb3d.gif

And now, back to the scholastic salt mine sad2.gif

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