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Posted by: BravoHotel Dec 16 2003, 11:09 AM

I like the look (and ease of replacement) of the bolted-on GT flare. Does anyone have detailed (up-close) pics of this treatment? What size/number/type of screws or bolts were used.

Please post pics

Thanks
BH


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Posted by: BravoHotel Dec 16 2003, 11:10 AM

BTW, that car belongs to Brett W.

Or how about this one....does it belong to anyone here?


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Posted by: Gint Dec 16 2003, 11:15 AM

The white one is Scott Schroeder's car. He's on the board.

Posted by: BravoHotel Dec 16 2003, 11:16 AM

Scott,

Can you give us details?

BH

Posted by: Ferg Dec 16 2003, 11:17 AM

more pic's of scott's car here

http://gallery.rennlist.com/gallery/albun34?&page=2

Posted by: Randal Dec 16 2003, 12:28 PM

I think most of what people refer to as “bolt on” flares are actually riveted. The rivets I used were 3/16"dia. by 3/4" long, measured from the top of the rivet to the bottom of the shoulder.

If your building a race car check out High Performance House's flare system.


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Posted by: john rogers Dec 16 2003, 12:52 PM

I put riveted flares on my race car and learned several things: Use "large head" rivets, available from Racer Parts Wholesale and a backing washer so they will not pull loose. Get a pneumatic riveter such as the low cost one from Harbor Freight as it is much easier to use than a manual one. Get a couple of packs of the right size Cleco fasteners and a pair of the Cleco pliers from Racer Parts to hold them on with as you drill all the holes. Install the flared rocker panels on first using the jack point opening as a locator then fit the flares to mate with the ends of the rocker panels. Oh yea, the large head rivets also come in colors besides natural aluminum. Good luck

Posted by: BravoHotel Dec 16 2003, 08:38 PM

bump....still lookin for pics

Posted by: Gint Dec 16 2003, 10:19 PM

I'll email Scott and ask him to stop by here...

Posted by: Scott Schroeder Dec 17 2003, 11:12 AM

Hi All -
I unfortunately do not have pics on my office computer, I will post some this evening.
Mine are bolt on - no rivets. The gasket I used between the flare and the body is a "heavy duty" vw bug fender gasket. The heavy duty moniker gives toy a bigger bead. They were super cheap - like 10.00 for the whole car. The flares use a stainless rounded button head phillips machine screw on a hard rubber washer. Undernieth is a small fender washer and nylock nuts. This was what the guys at Better Bodies told me they were using on their GT2 body kits. I did mine this way as I loved the look of the old 934, and I simply dont trust the adhesives in terms of future cracks (we had a 70 degree temp swing here in less than 6 hours - and that is not uncommon). I have had them off several times - it makes strut/shock and brake work SO easy.

Sorry for the delay - again, check back later tonight tomorrow.
Scott S

Posted by: Scott Schroeder Dec 17 2003, 11:14 AM

Here is the tops - kind of a distant pic. More tonight....


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Posted by: BravoHotel Dec 17 2003, 11:55 AM

Posted by: Scott Schroeder Dec 17 2003, 12:42 PM

I bought one from Performance Parts, two from Pelican and one from GT racing due to everyone having inventory issues. Yes, they required a great deal of prep work. Each flare had a different shaped flange where they met the body. I spent several hours using a big upright drum sander to get them the same. I was also surprised at how many pin holes and imperfections there were in a couple of them. So, yeah, lots of the typical fiberglass finish time to get them "right". I am still not completely satisfied - but I am pretty anal.

Yes, I have the normal GT flared rockers. I am a big believer that you have to have these to get the flares on the car correctly. I mounted them on the car first before I did anything else with the fenders - especially the cutting!

Posted by: SirAndy Dec 17 2003, 02:55 PM

Posted by: Eric_Shea Dec 17 2003, 03:10 PM

Posted by: BravoHotel Dec 17 2003, 03:20 PM

well, it sounds like w/ rennspd, you get what you pay for....

Are AIR's flares (hey, that rhymes ) similar in price to Mark's stuff?

Posted by: Eric_Shea Dec 17 2003, 03:29 PM

I think Mark's a little less expensive. I don't know if he has flares though. I got both hoods from him and all my 911 RS stuff (ducktail, hood, bumpers). I'm thinking about getting 914 doors from him... not sure if I want to go glass on those though.

E.

Posted by: Brad Roberts Dec 18 2003, 03:00 AM

Um.. I have yet to see a replica rocker that was correct. I dont personally suggest using the F/G rocker as a guide to do anything.


B

Posted by: joea9146 Dec 18 2003, 10:31 AM

This might help

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=5929&hl=screw,and,flares

Posted by: Brandon12 Jan 25 2013, 06:06 PM

Hey I just started a restoration for my father and I was wondering what websites to get bolt on flares and I need to know how to do it

Posted by: jsayre914 Jan 25 2013, 06:10 PM

found a couple


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Posted by: Woody Jan 25 2013, 06:35 PM

I bought all of my glass from rennspeed. The front bumper could fit better but I am satisfied with it and everything else.

Posted by: Elliot Cannon Jan 25 2013, 07:59 PM

I don't think it matters much who you buy fiberglass from. Just resign yourself that it will take some work. I sent these pics to Jeff at QRS Fiberglass. Waiting for a call. Looks like some major trimming to do.


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Posted by: Woody Jan 25 2013, 08:06 PM

QUOTE(Elliot Cannon @ Jan 25 2013, 07:59 PM)

Posted by: bulitt Apr 2 2013, 03:08 AM

Just wanted to add a pic of Tony (cracker) car.

Posted by: jdlmodelt Apr 2 2013, 06:53 PM

Here's where we are so far.


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Posted by: bulitt Apr 2 2013, 09:24 PM

Nuther- Krieger's car



And Alex from Germany (221kw914)











More of Elliots car-

Posted by: Dasnowman Apr 2 2013, 11:06 PM

This is a good thread!

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=197383&st=0


Also you can check out my thread on the bottom of my signature or search N2Deep build.

Posted by: CG-914 Apr 3 2013, 12:44 AM

Posted by: bulitt Apr 8 2013, 04:32 PM

Ok, so they are not bolt on...

Posted by: r_towle Apr 8 2013, 08:24 PM

QUOTE(Eric_Shea @ Dec 17 2003, 05:10 PM)

Posted by: scotty b Apr 8 2013, 09:03 PM

QUOTE(r_towle @ Apr 8 2013, 06:24 PM)

QUOTE(Eric_Shea @ Dec 17 2003, 05:10 PM)

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DON'T DO IT!

I bought both bumpers, valance and rockers from them. Every single piece had to be cut and reworked.

I have other glass pieces on my car and I got them from Mark Bartosh (classifieds in Pano). My flares came from AIR. Marks stuff is the best. AIR is good. I say this because I want you to know that I realize "all glass" will need "some" work. Rennspeeds stuff needs some "MAJOR" work. At least the batch I got...

Rennspeed breakdown:

Front bumper - Two left mounts glassed into the bumper. Had to cut the right on and reweld it.

Valance - Hung out 1"+ on each side. Had to cut a "v" and reglass them. Serious PITA.

Rear Bumper - Had to grind out copiuos amounts from each corner where the car meets the bumper... still finalizing the fit on that one (working front to back)

Rockers - concave curve on the top. I will glass in a hinge at the back to emulate the rally car rockers and eliminate the problem with the front fitting and the back side being about 1/2" too high!

Need pictures or was that scary enough?

E.

P.S. I don't want to harp but that was my experience. If any others have had better luck please weigh in...

So wait....your photoshop car is fiberglass?
So, a not real photochop car made with not real fiberglass?

Posted by: Rand Apr 8 2013, 09:05 PM

Bushwhackers are cool.

Posted by: Dasnowman Apr 9 2013, 11:53 PM

QUOTE(Rand @ Apr 8 2013, 08:05 PM)

Posted by: bulitt Apr 4 2014, 12:05 PM

Bushwackers going on...





Scotty painted them for me

Posted by: dlkawashima Apr 4 2014, 02:05 PM

Mike Bellis




and a red one (sorry, forgot the owner's name)

Posted by: Larmo63 Apr 4 2014, 07:05 PM

I love the bolt/screw on look, especially with really nice paint. I haven't seen any pictures of how the underside looks, or is supposed to look? Anybody have some "business side" pictures?

Posted by: The Metal Surgeon Apr 4 2014, 09:31 PM

QUOTE(dlkawashima @ Apr 4 2014, 02:05 PM)

Mike Bellis




and a red one (sorry, forgot the owner's name)

Posted by: bulitt Apr 5 2014, 04:48 AM

QUOTE(The Metal Surgeon @ Apr 4 2014, 11:31 PM)

QUOTE(dlkawashima @ Apr 4 2014, 02:05 PM)

Mike Bellis




and a red one (sorry, forgot the owner's name)

the red one looks terrible.the transformation from flares to rockers and bumpers

Posted by: BKLA Apr 8 2014, 05:57 PM

track day rivet flares - Rivets from Pegasus racing.





Not worried about the "blend" as it is a track only car, but there are new rockers in the near future...

Posted by: Larmo63 Apr 8 2014, 07:09 PM

The flares do look good on some cars and bad on others.

IMHO

Posted by: iamchappy Apr 8 2014, 07:15 PM

QUOTE(BKLA @ Apr 8 2014, 06:57 PM)

track day rivet flares - Rivets from Pegasus racing.





Not worried about the "blend" as it is a track only car, but there are new rockers in the near future...

Posted by: Mike Bellis Apr 8 2014, 09:17 PM

Posted by: Trekkor Apr 9 2014, 02:39 PM

http://s944.photobucket.com/user/trekkor/media/746%20returns/flared2.jpg.html

I have some pics of the install if anyone is looking for that.

Posted by: yeahmag Apr 9 2014, 03:17 PM

Trekkor,

Who's flares did you install?

Posted by: bulitt Apr 9 2014, 05:38 PM

QUOTE(Eric_Shea @ Dec 17 2003, 05:10 PM)

Posted by: Trekkor Apr 9 2014, 06:29 PM

I don't know which flares they are. 7's and 9's.
They were a gift.

Posted by: 914werke Dec 1 2021, 09:10 PM

@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=22118

Posted by: tazz9924 Dec 1 2021, 11:44 PM

I used 1/4-20 rivnuts and not pictured here some 1/4 inch washers with rubber underneath. looked real good till a mercedes had something to say about it.
Rubber fender flare trim also was used around the flare.

Posted by: waltonsm Dec 5 2021, 01:22 AM

I used high strength adhesive tape and bonded studs and used fender washers on the inside to hide external fasteners.

I spent a week or two modifying and fairing all the edges of the flares. With the bolt on look the seam line where the flare attaches is a big part of the aesthetic.



This other photo also shows the winter suspension project.

Posted by: Shivers Dec 5 2021, 02:13 AM

QUOTE(waltonsm @ Dec 4 2021, 11:22 PM)

I used high strength adhesive tape and bonded studs and used fender washers on the inside to hide external fasteners.

I spent a week or two modifying and fairing all the edges of the flares. With the bolt on look the seam line where the flare attaches is a big part of the aesthetic.



This other photo also shows the winter suspension project.

Posted by: waltonsm Dec 5 2021, 08:52 AM

QUOTE(Shivers @ Dec 5 2021, 12:13 AM)

QUOTE(waltonsm @ Dec 4 2021, 11:22 PM)

I used high strength adhesive tape and bonded studs and used fender washers on the inside to hide external fasteners.

I spent a week or two modifying and fairing all the edges of the flares. With the bolt on look the seam line where the flare attaches is a big part of the aesthetic.



This other photo also shows the winter suspension project.

High strength adhesive tape to hold the studs to the fenders. I was unaware they made such a product. Would you share the name of this product.