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Posted by: mrhurtalot Sep 29 2007, 09:22 AM

need as much info as possible, looked on pelicans, nothing, IPB searches dont ever work well on here! haha.

this is desperately urgent, this may be my last weekend to drive her. so today is a total work day for me. TIA

Posted by: So.Cal.914 Sep 29 2007, 09:31 AM

Your Haynes manual has a good section on it, tailshift, sideshift?

Posted by: rhodyguy Sep 29 2007, 09:34 AM

as paul asks, which flavor? what are the issues you need to adjust away?

k

Posted by: mrhurtalot Sep 29 2007, 09:44 AM

the rod is just not the one that came with my car. the DAPO welded mine together, poorly. and well its a SIDE SHIFTER, last time i drove the car (before my little cv forgetfullness fiasco) i couldnt access my fourth or fifth gears. transmissions in fine condition. when i go to shift to 4th it feels like i dropped it into 2nd, and the same for 5th/3rd. my assumption was the shift linkage need adjustment.

Posted by: So.Cal.914 Sep 29 2007, 10:09 AM

If you don't have a haynes manual, try here; http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=52816

Posted by: mrhurtalot Sep 29 2007, 10:10 AM

ive got it sitting right here in front of me, page 90, 1973 onwards.. but i dont see how this will fix my "missing" gears? ill try it out though, since i dont know what else to do. hahah

Posted by: So.Cal.914 Sep 29 2007, 10:15 AM

Sounds like your typical 'out of adjustment' problem. Not enough throw, in the

right direction to engauge those gears, to much the other way and there is no first

and reverse. Get it.

Posted by: mrhurtalot Sep 29 2007, 10:46 AM

okay now im out in the garage, carpets out, etc. ive got the clamp bolt out, and now it says, turn the shift rod clockwise in the direction of travel.. WHAT?

basically, ive got the shift levers bottom part (as in the smaller section of the bend) vertical in relation to the car, all the way to the right against the stop.
now i must twist something? im not understanding this!!

Posted by: joefri187 Sep 29 2007, 03:30 PM

QUOTE(mrhurtalot @ Sep 29 2007, 09:46 AM)

Posted by: mrhurtalot Sep 29 2007, 04:05 PM

ohhhh under the little armrest box? i shouldve thought about that...

meh, time to go back out now!

Posted by: mrhurtalot Oct 2 2007, 12:21 AM

okay, so ive checked in the little hole under the box thing. and theres not a clamp thing in there or anything to turn, and the inspection plate was missing already...

whats the remedy here? im so totally lost now.

pretty productive night otherwise, cv installed, muffler patched and installed, some other random little things. but not the linkage.

Posted by: purple Oct 2 2007, 07:03 AM

you should have marked the rod and clamp at the bottom of the shifter so you know what you're doing. What I did is leave the clamping nut in, take a pair of vise-grips and hold on tight to the linkage at the rear cover. Then it's just a matter of getting the linkage into the clamp right where you want it. dont expect to get it right the first time.

Posted by: BMartin914 Oct 2 2007, 08:38 AM

There is an access hole behind the shifter in the shifter plate. Take up the carpet to see it.

There is an 8mm (13mm head) bolt that you can see. This is the clamp that holds the shift rod to the shifter.

Loosen the bolt and rotate the rod - clockwise or anti-clockwise, to gain back the throw in the right to left movement of the shifter. You want equal amounts in each direction and very small adjustments make a big difference.

Posted by: Dave_Darling Oct 2 2007, 09:25 AM

The idea is that you loosen (don't remove) the clamp nut, then put the shift lever into a particular position, then move the front shift rod into the appropriate position to match the gear shift lever's.

At least, that's what the factory procedure has you do. Put the transmission in neutral, first. Loosen the clamp nut. Put a pair of vise-grips on the front shift rod--clamp them on through that hole at the back of the center tunnel, so you're not getting in your own way. Then put the gear shift lever all the way to the right, and make sure the part below the bend is straight up from a fore-and-aft perspective. Then crank the rod all the way to the right, and tighten the bolt. Try the shift pattern, and futz with the exact position of the gear shift lever versus the front shift rod until you get things set up the way you like them.

--DD

Posted by: angerosa Oct 2 2007, 09:54 AM

I have to offer my two cents as well - Everyone is giving good advice. I just did this a couple of months ago. Mine isn't perfect but it's pretty close. I need to re-adjust.

If your linkage is welded together behind the firewall - the only adjustment you have (I believe) is the spline connection right under your shifter. Put your car in first, then unbolt the three metal bolts holding the shifter base to the linkage chanel. Undo the screw that holds the spline, adjust it so that first gear is further to the left (closer to you when in the drivers seat), that will make 4th and 5th reachable in the travel of your linkage.

You should be able to shift into every gear with the clutch pushed in and the car not running. Make sure you can get into every one with it off and it should work with it on.

To really see what's going on, I took off the linkage cover at the transmission, made adjustments and ran back and looked under the car to see what the position of the linkage looked like for each gear at the transmission.

BTW - I have a tail shift, can you post a picture of where the side shift connects to the transmission under the car. I don't know I've ever seen one.

Posted by: SirAndy Oct 2 2007, 01:03 PM

QUOTE(Dave_Darling @ Oct 2 2007, 07:25 AM)

Posted by: mrhurtalot Oct 2 2007, 01:30 PM

ah. thats where i was confused, the haynes shows another clamping bolt in the rear back access hole on the forward rod. mine didnt even seem to have a spot for one to be. but the vice grip idea and Angerosas tips (as well as everyone elses!) seem to be what i need. ill run home probably tommorrow night, since i have a 230-530 engineering class tonight, and ill work on it some more.

some kids at my old school are trying to start a "main drag" thing, and i wanted to drop by saturday night and show off a bit. so thanks alot guys!!

Posted by: purple Oct 2 2007, 01:33 PM

You will look an ass trying to drag race in a 914...just FYI

Posted by: SLITS Oct 2 2007, 01:56 PM

QUOTE(mrhurtalot @ Oct 2 2007, 12:30 PM)

Posted by: cassidy_bolger Oct 2 2007, 02:06 PM

Don't forget to check your bushings. If they are shot or missing, you might might not be able to get it adjusted no matter what you do - the rod will just be flopping around.

Posted by: SirAndy Oct 2 2007, 02:33 PM

QUOTE(purple @ Oct 2 2007, 11:33 AM)

Posted by: mrhurtalot Oct 2 2007, 03:01 PM

QUOTE(purple @ Oct 2 2007, 02:33 PM)

QUOTE(cassidy_bolger @ Oct 2 2007, 03:06 PM)

Posted by: purple Oct 2 2007, 03:19 PM

Check your tranny mounts... i have vague shifts and new bushings and it's my tranny mounts.

and a 'long straight' with 'fart can' cars, and youth, lots of youth, that will, my friend, turn into drag racing. Just you watch.

Our 'real cars' sound like beetles, few will be impressed. Not pissing on your wagon, but only a very few cool people appreciate these cars, like us. The rest only like it if it's got 24''s on it and a sclade badge with burberry bumpers or some tacky shit like that

Posted by: rhodyguy Oct 2 2007, 03:54 PM

1. go under rear of car, remove clamp on large plastic cover, pull cover aside, manually put trans in third gear.
2. secure the rear rod where it passes thru the engine support bar with a pair of vice grips. one on either side of the bar. the rod should now be locked in place. try and move it forward and back. reclamp as ness.
3. remove the bolts that fasten the lever to the center tunnel. loosen the clamping nut on the shift lever to front rod coupling piece.
4. with the lever assem slightly forward of it's normal mounting position, push the shift lever gently to left so the bottom of the lever just makes contact w/the spring loaded plate that blocks 1&R.
5. slide the lower coupling piece on to the front rod, while maintaining the slight pressure. slide lever assem back to it's normal mounting position. push the shift lever forward about 1/4" (the coupling piece will move ever so slightly on the front rod). rotate the base 90*, while maintaining the position of the coupler on the front rod. tighten the lever coupler clamping nut, TIGHT! rotate the base back and put the base to tunnel bolts back in and tighten.
7. go under car and remove the vice grips.
8. try to engage 2&3 gears. note any excess movement in either of the gears. the fore to aft 'freeplay" should be about equal in both gears. if one gear is tight and the other sloppy or you're unable to engage one gear, you have to reposition the lever coupler on the front rod. mark your current coupler position on the front rod, fore to aft and side to side with a pointed sharpie, regrip the rear bar, loosen the lever clamping nut move, the coupler forward and back as need on the front rod to achive that equal freeplay. tighten the clamping nut, drop the vicegrips, again, and see if you can engage all the gears. you may have to start the engine to do this.

this can be daunting the first time. relax, try not to get frustrated, and work in a systematic manner. when you get all the gears and are happy with the engagement, button up the rear cover and drive off into the sunset. happy motoring.

k

Posted by: angerosa Oct 2 2007, 04:13 PM

QUOTE(cassidy_bolger @ Oct 2 2007, 04:06 PM)

Posted by: So.Cal.914 Oct 2 2007, 05:28 PM

Posted by: mrhurtalot Oct 2 2007, 08:11 PM

QUOTE(purple @ Oct 2 2007, 04:19 PM)

Posted by: purple Oct 2 2007, 09:11 PM

at present i have no exhaust...open valves to the outside.... now THAT'S a beast. it sounds like a f'n lycoming plane engine...soon to be replaced by a eurorace header.

I was stating that people who are the types to have fart cans on thier civics will think our cars sound like bugs without the whistle exhaust...and will ask where our subs are...and our NOSS

where is your NOS, btw?

Posted by: jd74914 Oct 2 2007, 09:19 PM

Purple, I wouldn't run the engine too much without anything on it. The exhaust reversion into the cylinders isn't cool.

Posted by: mrhurtalot Oct 3 2007, 08:09 PM

so i spent about an hour working on this.. still cannot find 4th and 5th gear.

i did the "manually put the trans. in gear at the back and then move the lever into the correct place" method. but im not sure what positions=what gear..

oh and whats this strange rumbling i hear? definately on the right side of the tranny..

Posted by: drew365 Oct 3 2007, 09:38 PM

After you disconnect the shifter from the rod, you should be able to rotate the rod through the rear tunnel opening about 1/4" clockwise and counterclockwise. If you turn the rod clockwise and then tighten the shifter back up while holding the rod in that position you should be able to access 4th and 5th easier. There's a point where you will lose your ability to catch R and 1st if you go too far. I usually take tools with me and do this while driving around the neighborhood until I find the sweet spot in the middle. I drive a little, see how it shifts, pull over and adjust and repeat. Moving the rod forward and aft will also make going into 2nd and 3rd easier or harder. Driving the car right after making an adjustment is the best way to get a feel for how to do it.

Rotate clockwise: R and 1st harder, 4th and 5th easier

Rotate counter clockwise: R and 1st easier, 4th and 5th harder

Pull shaft back from shifter: 2nd easier, 3rd harder

Push shaft forward into shifter: 2nd harder, 3rd easier

Posted by: purple Oct 3 2007, 10:01 PM

I only started it up a couple times, i didnt let it run for more than 20 seconds.

But look what just showed up today... HAHAHAHAH!!!


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Posted by: angerosa Oct 4 2007, 10:37 AM

QUOTE(drew365 @ Oct 3 2007, 11:38 PM)

Posted by: mrhurtalot Oct 4 2007, 01:34 PM

im excused from my next class at 230, and im free the rest of the day. so ill be heading home for a few after i eat my "lunch" (spagettios and tostitos scoops)

okay, to clarify, im laying on my BACK coming from the REAR. correct?
and if so, CW = the top of the rod turning towards the drivers side. correct?

shoot, this sounds like the trick i needed. maybe ill drive her back to school today!

but theres still the clunking/rumbling coming from the axle/trans...maybe itll stop when i get her on the ground.

actually now that i think of it, it might just be from the gears not being fully engaged, it only happened when i "had it in 4th/5th". so thats taken care of most likely.

damn, i love you guys. if theres ever a Midwest central america biblebelt RUMBLE meet etc thing remind me to buy you boys some sodas

Posted by: purple Oct 4 2007, 03:01 PM

clunking/rumbling?

is that only when your foot is on the clutch pedal?

if so, your throw out bearing has had it

if not, i'm at a loss

Posted by: drew365 Oct 4 2007, 05:47 PM

QUOTE(angerosa @ Oct 4 2007, 09:37 AM)

QUOTE(drew365 @ Oct 3 2007, 11:38 PM)

After you disconnect the shifter from the rod, you should be able to rotate the rod through the rear tunnel opening about 1/4" clockwise and counterclockwise. If you turn the rod clockwise and then tighten the shifter back up while holding the rod in that position you should be able to access 4th and 5th easier. There's a point where you will lose your ability to catch R and 1st if you go too far. I usually take tools with me and do this while driving around the neighborhood until I find the sweet spot in the middle. I drive a little, see how it shifts, pull over and adjust and repeat. Moving the rod forward and aft will also make going into 2nd and 3rd easier or harder. Driving the car right after making an adjustment is the best way to get a feel for how to do it.

Rotate clockwise: R and 1st harder, 4th and 5th easier

Rotate counter clockwise: R and 1st easier, 4th and 5th harder

Pull shaft back from shifter: 2nd easier, 3rd harder

Push shaft forward into shifter: 2nd harder, 3rd easier

It's important to note that your laying on your creeper, creeping from the rear of the car with your head facing the front and not just reaching under from the back while laying on your stomach like I did to move the linkage into different gears. If so switch the clockwise/counter-clockwise orientations.

Posted by: mrhurtalot Oct 4 2007, 11:56 PM

so fellas,

today, a dream was fullfilled, i was able to drive my beloved teener today for the first time in about 6 months. and i could not have done it without you.

man what a great day, and for more than just this. but this just made it perfect.

thanks alot guys.

Posted by: rhodyguy Oct 5 2007, 10:24 AM

what was the solution that worked? too tight in one direction in the fore aft or a little rotation in the side to side?

Posted by: So.Cal.914 Oct 5 2007, 02:25 PM

Posted by: sendjonathanmail Oct 5 2007, 04:20 PM

thought i show them what a real car can sound like

Posted by: mrhurtalot Oct 5 2007, 07:20 PM

QUOTE(rhodyguy @ Oct 5 2007, 11:24 AM)

Posted by: mrhurtalot Oct 7 2007, 03:43 AM

oh lord, so tonight was that drive i was talking about. i ended up with a ticket.


20 over. good grief. but i explained to the officer that the speedo needle doesnt move....(which i demonstrated by revving the engine in neutral and park....) but it worked he bumped it to 10&under.

my plan is to take a picture to the courtroom on the arraignment date of a
worn speedometer gear, explaining that mine is very similar to it and that it does not send accurate readings at all.

so basically i now need a worn out speedometer picture..

Posted by: rhodyguy Oct 7 2007, 12:10 PM

so you showed him your tack didn't work. too funny! beware, when you're in court and he realizes HIS error, he might get all worked up, be watching for you and nail you for the full measure next time. me? i'd pay the ticket and count my bessings.

Posted by: mrhurtalot Oct 7 2007, 12:36 PM

its really not a problem, i dont live in yukon currently, and dont plan on it ever again.

theres a backstory with me and this cop however.

about 2 years ago, theres was a party and like most good highschool parties, it got busted... well i made a feeble attempt to jump the fence and get my case back so it wasnt lost. and i didnt make it past the front yard before a flashlight shined on me and yelled "HEY WHAT DO YOU THINK YOUR DOING?"

needless to say, i was apprehended and hauled off.

they let me out the next morning and i have my older sister come get me, they set a court date etc.

i do NOT tell my parents about this. the entire summer goes by, then about august sometime, a letter comes, and it tells my mom everything.

i basically have to say "oh, i had just gotten there to pick someone up. they probably just wanted to make an example of me or something."
things smooth out. a few days later, i hear word of an officer being fired.

get this.

it was my arresting officer.

his offence?

getting "Busy" with a clerk at a conoco, in uniform, on duty, CAUGHT ON CAMERA.

basically, i tell my "story" at court, the county pros. drops everything. im free.

except, the cop from last night, is the other cops cousin. and it was about the 6th time hes pulled me over. (always for seatbelt...)



so im not really worried about pissing him off. i think hes at his limit with me.

Posted by: jd74914 Oct 7 2007, 10:15 PM

you don't wear a seatbelt

Posted by: mrhurtalot Oct 8 2007, 12:31 PM

pretty much, in oklahoma (for the most part) i could run just about every redlight i come to, and the people around at the stop would just wave at me friendly and smile.

im not too worried about the other drivers out there, its mainly just me.