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914World.com _ 914World Garage _ Pristine survivor on Ebay!
Posted by: jaminM3 Oct 4 2007, 10:41 AM
Check this baby out: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3ASS%3AUS%3A1&viewitem=&item=330172345822
It will be interesting to see how high this one sells for. 
Posted by: Ferg Oct 4 2007, 10:53 AM
Nice car!
Rear bumper and emblem? has been replaced...
cool emissions sticker on windshield.
Looks like a perfect early rain tray 
Ferg
Posted by: Ferg Oct 4 2007, 11:04 AM
First, I'm not "picking" this car apart, the car looks awesome.
what is this timing hole cover??? early car thing?
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Posted by: Gustl Oct 4 2007, 11:09 AM
what's wrong with the rear bumper?
Gustl
Posted by: angerosa Oct 4 2007, 11:12 AM
Wow - That's clean. I do see the typical battery tray rust. But the interior and all the seals look great for being 36 years old. Do a ground up restoration to fix the dents, freshen up the paint and take care of the few tiny spots of rust and I think you have a concourse winner.
Posted by: Ferg Oct 4 2007, 11:15 AM
what's wrong with the rear bumper?
Gustllater style...
I would expect it to have a gold 914 emblem as well?? (engine lid letters are gold)
Ferg
Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Oct 4 2007, 11:41 AM
If I had the garage space at home, I'd be all over that car, at least at the current bidding levels.
I'd suspect maybe rear end repair, what with the later rear bumper and incorrect 914 emblem.
The battery area does look a little grungy, and the engine compartment needs a general freshening as well, but altogether, it appears to be a nice "survivor".
Paul
Posted by: beech4rd Oct 4 2007, 11:53 AM
It would be kinda neat if somebody could afford to buy it and keep it in exactly the condition it is in now, as a reference for anybody trying to restore this year/model and as a standard for the judging of unrestored survivors. The more touching up of paint blemishes, battery tray rust etc., that gets done, the less of a survivor it becomes. Not that I'm suggesting that decay shouldn't be addressed- I do, however, suspect most of us would be happy to have a battery tray with paint on the lip 36 years into a car's life.
Chris
Posted by: ChrisNPDrider Oct 4 2007, 12:45 PM
What's up with the long pad in the rear trunk, and those square mats in the trunks?
Those are new to me. Killer 914 
It'll go to $18k I'm guessin.
Posted by: ruddyboys Oct 4 2007, 12:47 PM
Didn't 71's come with steel wheels with hub caps, those look like 74 mahle's
Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Oct 4 2007, 12:56 PM
Didn't 71's come with steel wheels with hub caps, those look like 74 mahle's
Those are Pedrinis (and look just about perfect). They were optional on a '71.
Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Oct 4 2007, 12:58 PM
What's up with the long pad in the rear trunk, and those square mats in the trunks?
That long pad is original to the car, typical of early 914s. The red, square mat in the front looks like something from the Sears Auto Center, circa 1971.
Paul
Posted by: sww914 Oct 4 2007, 01:01 PM
Turning that into another V-8 conversion would be great! It would be a better car with a V-8, right?
Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Oct 4 2007, 01:24 PM
Turning that into another V-8 conversion would be great! It would be a better car with a V-8, right?
I'd rather use it as a "parts" car.
Posted by: Gustl Oct 4 2007, 02:05 PM
what's wrong with the rear bumper?
Gustllater style...
I would expect it to have a gold 914 emblem as well?? (engine lid letters are gold)
Ferg
AFAIK only MY'70 had the sharp edge early style chrome bumper
the 914 emblem should be gold
Gustl
Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Oct 4 2007, 02:57 PM
More great stuff on this car:
Its the first time I have seen an emissions label on a 914, before the 1973 model year.
The green paint on the wheel lugs was proof that servicing for recall BO was performed.
Did you catch that cool engine tin numbering...8)
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Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Oct 4 2007, 03:35 PM
Here save some money! We will even throw in a set of pedrini alloy wheels!
http://www.autoatlanta.com/carsales/914/OrangeOct07/orange.html
Posted by: echocanyons Oct 4 2007, 03:40 PM
George, is this what you are calling a survivor on the east coast?
Posted by: Ferg Oct 4 2007, 03:48 PM
Here save some money! We will even throw in a set of pedrini alloy wheels!
http://www.autoatlanta.com/carsales/914/OrangeOct07/orange.html
Save money... that's rich George. Nobody's gonna save money on that pile 
Posted by: Blood red 914-6gt Oct 4 2007, 03:54 PM
Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Oct 4 2007, 03:57 PM
That was a joke of course gentlemen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The 10 grand (currently) car is on the money for someone who wants a historic car to preserve but certainly not drive. The corrosion and rust in the engine compartment bothers me though. Must have been in the humidity. The 71 rear bumper is correct for the smile rather than the cut around the license plate but not the black 914 badge! Still a bargain at 15 grand but not to buy and drive so that eliminates some of the fun!
Posted by: rhodyguy Oct 4 2007, 03:58 PM
BOINNNNG
Posted by: Ferg Oct 4 2007, 04:01 PM
Build date on this car was 12-70, I will leave it to the experts, but I still suspect a bumper change.
Ferg
Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Oct 4 2007, 04:03 PM
Build date on this car was 12-70, I will leave it to the experts, but I still suspect a bumper change.
Ferg
our motortrend car of the year 71 willow six 71 m 471 71 914-6 sporto 71 (thank you again Jeff) and this orange RAT 71 (but it runs well!!) have the smile rear bumper
Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Oct 4 2007, 04:40 PM
More great stuff on this car:
Did you catch that cool engine tin numbering...8)
Jeff,
FYI. that engine tin # is the same # as what is on my engine tin('70/4 (build date 01/70).
Paul
Posted by: beech4rd Oct 4 2007, 04:57 PM
A couple of questions. When did the kind folks at VW decide to install the firewall sound insulation? This car doesn't have it and is probably all the better for that. Also, what is the bellows at the hinge on the handbrake lever? Did they all have that? I have an original late '71 radio- Blaupunkt and stereo. When did the Porsche lettering on the radio get changed?
I noticed the sticker on the evap tank indicates 2 + 1 passengers. The car doesn't have the center cushion. Where does the + 1 passenger sit?
Chris
Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Oct 4 2007, 05:16 PM
A couple of questions. When did the kind folks at VW decide to install the firewall sound insulation? This car doesn't have it and is probably all the better for that. Also, what is the bellows at the hinge on the handbrake lever? Did they all have that? I have an original late '71 radio- Blaupunkt and stereo. When did the Porsche lettering on the radio get changed?
I noticed the sticker on the evap tank indicates 2 + 1 passengers. The car doesn't have the center cushion. Where does the + 1 passenger sit?
Chris
insulator pad 73-76 bellows on handbrake 70-72 with breakaway handle many different radios most dealer installed center cushion an option
Posted by: jaminM3 Oct 4 2007, 05:20 PM
I can't tell a difference between the chrome bumpers on a '73 and a '70. They look the same. What is the smile bumper doctor?
Posted by: Pat Garvey Oct 4 2007, 05:21 PM
Nice car!
Rear bumper and emblem? has been replaced...
cool emissions sticker on windshield.
Looks like a perfect early rain tray
Ferg
Ummm, that rain tray is the later one - though it does look perfect. It's a better piece than the early one, but not original.
I doubt that anyone needs to ask how I know!
Pat
Oops! Guess I walked into that one! I get it!
Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Oct 4 2007, 05:48 PM
I can't tell a difference between the chrome bumpers on a '73 and a '70. They look the same. What is the smile bumper doctor?
The 70 bumper indentation on either side of the license plate angles sharp and straight the 71-74 curves around the plate at the bottom.
Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Oct 4 2007, 06:13 PM
I can't tell a difference between the chrome bumpers on a '73 and a '70. They look the same. What is the smile bumper doctor?
jamin,
Go to the "Originality & History" Forum and look at the nailed Front and Rear Bumper Thread. Post #17 by Tom Bliznik shows two excellent photos of the difference.
Paul
Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Oct 4 2007, 06:15 PM
Pat I am SHOCKED, Shocked that you called that early tray on this car a late tray! YOU of all people should know!!! Maybe I should take some pictures of the perfect one on the the 1971 bucket we have on our website, and see if you want to buy it! I can promise you that it is blemish free and I would throw in the orange '71 bucket with the purchase!
Nice car!
Rear bumper and emblem? has been replaced...
cool emissions sticker on windshield.
Looks like a perfect early rain tray
Ferg
Ummm, that rain tray is the later one - though it does look perfect. It's a better piece than the early one, but not original.
I doubt that anyone needs to ask how I know!
Pat
Oops! Guess I walked into that one! I get it!
Posted by: beech4rd Oct 4 2007, 06:46 PM
George,
I realise that this is probably the wrong forum for this, but I have two 914s ( both 1.7s) and both the car I am attempting to restore and the parts car have firewall sound insulation pads. Both were 1972 models, built in Nov 1971. I doubt either had the pad added after their original sale.
Oh, and both had rusted firewalls. I wonder why.
Chris
Posted by: Pat Garvey Oct 4 2007, 07:21 PM
Don't get me wrong - this IS a very nice 914. But I suspect it's a victim of sedentation. Look at the corrosion in the engine compartment. It's not from battery acid & appears to be from exposure to salt air. Yeah, it can be taken care of, but the motor should come out to do it. Sheet metal ALL needs to be redone.
And then, if the motor look like that - what about the belly? We've seen no pics of that - and it kind of scares me. I wouldn't touch this car without a thorough inspection.
Last I looked, it was just above 10K. You'll hate me for this, but I think that's too much for an unknown. Someone's taking a serious chance. It IS a '71. It does have huge rubber problems. And, who knows what it looks like underneath?
Why is it that this Forum knows nothing about this car?
Pat
Posted by: Pat Garvey Oct 4 2007, 08:23 PM
Pat I am SHOCKED, Shocked that you called that early tray on this car a late tray! YOU of all people should know!!! Maybe I should take some pictures of the perfect one on the the 1971 bucket we have on our website, and see if you want to buy it! I can promise you that it is blemish free and I would throw in the orange '71 bucket with the purchase!
George,
I F'd up! Thought I saw the inverted ribs on the bottom of the tray. Every time I see one that I think can work for me I either wet my pants or get pissed. You are correct - THAT IS MY MECCA!
(heavy breathing).So, you have one? It's perfect, right? I can just clean it up & bolt it one, right? Where the "F" have you been for the last 18 months? I've made a fool of myself, looking for the Holy Grail & now you just show up ith one?
You hate me, George - don't you?
Now, tell me about it (softer tones). Is it available?
Pat
ps - thanks for the catalogue
Nice car!
Rear bumper and emblem? has been replaced...
cool emissions sticker on windshield.
Looks like a perfect early rain tray
Ferg
Ummm, that rain tray is the later one - though it does look perfect. It's a better piece than the early one, but not original.
I doubt that anyone needs to ask how I know!
Pat
Oops! Guess I walked into that one! I get it!
Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Oct 4 2007, 09:41 PM
The car has spent its whole life right here in San Francisco. It gets foggy here and that fog can carry salty marine air.
HOWEVER, this car looks like it spent virtually all of its life indoors which protected it from any serious degradation. Look how tight the sunvisors are, the perfect dashpad, the supple weatherstripping. The non-yellowed clear plastic emission sticker in the windshield-the sticker looks like it was applied yesterday. This car is a time capsule and I bet the car is in relatively superb condition compared to most. What you see is the patina resulting from a mature owner who never abused it and probably always stored it. I bet the car still smells new. It needs refreshing to be sure to make it concours ready, but it looks like one amazing 914 and we all know its only original once.
Posted by: Ferg Oct 4 2007, 09:44 PM
The car has spent its whole life right here in San Francisco. It gets foggy here and that fog can carry salty marine air.
HOWEVER, this car looks like it spent virtually all of its life indoors which protected it from any serious degradation. Look how tight the sunvisors are, the perfect dashpad, the supple weatherstripping. The non-yellowed clear plastic emission sticker in the windshield-the sticker looks like it was applied yesterday. This car is a time capsule and I bet the car is in relatively superb condition compared to most. What you see is the patina resulting from a mature owner who never abused it and probably always stored it. I bet the car still smells new. It needs refreshing to be sure to make it concours ready, but it looks like one amazing 914 and we all know its only original once.
Pat's just nervous because this is the type of car that has the correct patina for Preservation Class
Ferg
Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Oct 5 2007, 10:31 AM
George,
I realise that this is probably the wrong forum for this, but I have two 914s ( both 1.7s) and both the car I am attempting to restore and the parts car have firewall sound insulation pads. Both were 1972 models, built in Nov 1971. I doubt either had the pad added after their original sale.
Oh, and both had rusted firewalls. I wonder why.
Chris
And we have a 1970 914-6 here with an engine insulator pad. Make sure that we are not confusing the liner inside the cockpit behind the backpad! This is the firewall in the engine compartment insulator pad installed on all 73-76 914s for sound deadening. Many many added the pad to the early cars later on when the pads became available in the 73 MODEL year.
Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Oct 5 2007, 10:34 AM
Don't get me wrong - this IS a very nice 914. But I suspect it's a victim of sedentation. Look at the corrosion in the engine compartment. It's not from battery acid & appears to be from exposure to salt air. Yeah, it can be taken care of, but the motor should come out to do it. Sheet metal ALL needs to be redone.
And then, if the motor look like that - what about the belly? We've seen no pics of that - and it kind of scares me. I wouldn't touch this car without a thorough inspection.
Last I looked, it was just above 10K. You'll hate me for this, but I think that's too much for an unknown. Someone's taking a serious chance. It IS a '71. It does have huge rubber problems. And, who knows what it looks like underneath?
Why is it that this Forum knows nothing about this car?
Pat
right on I totally agree. I also know that the corrosion will be a big expense to return this car to museum quality
Posted by: kojo2001 Oct 5 2007, 11:15 PM
Don't get me wrong - this IS a very nice 914. But I suspect it's a victim of sedentation. Look at the corrosion in the engine compartment. It's not from battery acid & appears to be from exposure to salt air. Yeah, it can be taken care of, but the motor should come out to do it. Sheet metal ALL needs to be redone.
And then, if the motor look like that - what about the belly? We've seen no pics of that - and it kind of scares me. I wouldn't touch this car without a thorough inspection.
Last I looked, it was just above 10K. You'll hate me for this, but I think that's too much for an unknown. Someone's taking a serious chance. It IS a '71. It does have huge rubber problems. And, who knows what it looks like underneath?
Why is it that this Forum knows nothing about this car?
Pat
right on I totally agree. I also know that the corrosion will be a big expense to return this car to museum quality
nice
Posted by: purple Oct 6 2007, 08:54 AM
My dad had a 71 when I was in the womb and I spent the first few months of my life riding in a child seat in the middle between the seats. There was a strap they included that held in the middle person according to him. My life started in a 914 just like this!
It brought a tear to his eye to see this car. He was really floored to see such a pristine survivor. he said it looked 2 years old at most
Posted by: orthobiz Oct 7 2007, 07:08 PM
It'll go to $18k I'm guessin.
I guess 15,750. C'mon, more guesses...And 'fess up, anybody here bidding?
Paul
Posted by: jaminM3 Oct 8 2007, 04:34 PM
I think it will sell between $17,000 and $18,000. Last I saw it it's at $16,100....
Posted by: orthobiz Oct 8 2007, 08:41 PM
OK, looks like I'm wrong now that it's over 16K, but I have seen bid retractions before.
Anyway, bidding ends in just over a day. Looks like it ends 11PM Pacific time. I usually try to end mine around 9 or 10 EST. Doesn't a late ending take away the thunder of that frantic last minute bidding? Or won't anybody care...I already have an orange survivor so I won't be up that late!
Paul
Posted by: TedK Oct 8 2007, 10:02 PM
Hey Paul, your car is superior with fewer miles...not bad, eh?
Ted K
Posted by: orthobiz Oct 9 2007, 05:40 PM
Hey Paul, your car is superior with fewer miles...not bad, eh?
Ted K
The day you agreed to sell me your car was one of my BEST days EVER!!!
Paul
Posted by: ChrisNPDrider Oct 9 2007, 07:10 PM
I think it will sell between $17,000 and $18,000. Last I saw it it's at $16,100....
It's at $17k!!!!!!!!
Did you know the recent issue of Excellence estimated $15k for the best TIV 914?
This sale deserves a submission to Excellence for the Reader Buys section...or whatever it was called. Couple 928 GTSs sold for >$65k accordning to the mag.
I still say $18k
Less than 7 hours to go!
Posted by: Brian Mifsud Oct 9 2007, 08:55 PM
What's up with the long pad in the rear trunk, and those square mats in the trunks?
Those are new to me. Killer 914
It'll go to $18k I'm guessin.
4 hours left at $17000... good prediction.. need a gambling buddy in Vegas???
Posted by: sendjonathanmail Oct 10 2007, 06:30 AM
so..what did it finally sell for? anyone here? -JON
Posted by: beech4rd Oct 10 2007, 06:55 AM
It sold for $17,100.00. I hope he gets the money.
Posted by: tdgray Oct 10 2007, 07:38 AM
That's quite a penny fior a 1.7. WOW
Posted by: orthobiz Oct 10 2007, 04:36 PM
What's up with the long pad in the rear trunk, and those square mats in the trunks?
Those are new to me. Killer 914
It'll go to $18k I'm guessin.
4 hours left at $17000... good prediction.. need a gambling buddy in Vegas???
Hey, The Price Is Right. I guessed but didn't go over...although someone guessed "between 17 and 18" and were closer than me!
Paul
Posted by: Pat Garvey Oct 10 2007, 04:51 PM
Love to see this sort of thing happenning! Seems to be getting less & less rare too. Doesn't hurt the value of our cars a bit!
I think someone needs to wake up PCA's Valuation Committee. They've been so anti 1.7/1.8 914's for so many years. With the sales that have happened in the last year, provided we can put the numbers together, maybe we have something to rub in thier faces.
Pat
Posted by: George H. Oct 10 2007, 07:48 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Porsche-914-Porsche-914-with-25-830-original- mils_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6430QQihZ014QQitemZ330175266301QQrdZ1QQsspagenam
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Posted by: sendjonathanmail Oct 10 2007, 07:56 PM
Wish I had the money, great car.
Posted by: orthobiz Oct 10 2007, 07:57 PM
What a strange happenstance! How the heck does that happen, bogus buyer? Anyway, the 17K price easily could have been a bidder v. bidder bidding frenzy and starting the bidding at 17K is a mistake!
Paul
Posted by: Blood red 914-6gt Oct 10 2007, 08:07 PM
That always sucks when that happens. Hope he still gets close to 17.
Posted by: rdauenhauer Oct 11 2007, 07:13 PM
shill~
Posted by: echocanyons Oct 11 2007, 07:29 PM
Posted by: TedK Oct 11 2007, 09:27 PM
Now at 17,200, wonder what will happen this time?
Posted by: orthobiz Oct 12 2007, 06:27 PM
Something is just WRONG with the way this car's auction history is going. And I just don't know what it is...
Paul
Posted by: sendjonathanmail Oct 12 2007, 07:19 PM
17,200 yesterday. Back down to 17k today
Posted by: orthobiz Oct 12 2007, 08:57 PM
What gives? The 17K bidder has bid on several other cars in the past few months? Anybody elaborate on what really goes on with eBay? I've only sold computer and stereo items that have gone for 1K or less...
Paul
Posted by: siverson Oct 12 2007, 09:19 PM
I sold my REALLY nice '73 1.7 with ~40k original miles (very close to this car's condition, but maybe mine was a little worse) for a little more than this selling price about 6 months ago...
-Steve
Posted by: majkos Oct 12 2007, 09:44 PM
It seems a really sweet car, but this on-going auction has me bother 
What's th4e hel*?
Posted by: TedK Oct 13 2007, 01:14 PM
From my own experience, even though I want a car, when I find out I won the auction, I get a little nervous. Don't know why. I imagine some winners just get cold feet or they thought it would go higher and they were just probing for the reserve price and ended up winning.(Been there, done that) Or the wife finds out and reposesses his testicles causing him to forfit. Who knows?
Ted K
Posted by: swl Oct 13 2007, 01:49 PM
I bought the current project off ebay. If I had arrived to pick it up and found it had been misrepresented I would have walked away from it. On this one though it really does sound like it was someone bailing. It also looks like the 2nd place guy jumped in immediately and picked up his $17,000 bid. You have to wonder though if the $17,200 or even the $17,100 might have been someone working for the seller to drive up the bidding.
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