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Posted by: jimkelly Dec 20 2007, 08:17 AM
see pic
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Posted by: TeenerTim Dec 20 2007, 08:57 AM
Are there any differences in the inside diameters of the pipes?
Do the SSI heat exchangers really have a larger ID as some have suggested?
Good info BTW.
Posted by: flippa Dec 20 2007, 10:01 AM
Nice work Jim!
I appologize in advance if this is a total newbie question.
I am going to put a 2.0 in my car, but the entire exhaust system is junk. I have a set of SSI heat exchangers and decent monza muffler which is currently on a 1.7 engine. Will the heat exchangers fit on the 2.0? If so, which muffler would have to be used, a 1.7 or a 2.0? Is the difference in width caused by the engine or by a different shape of the heat exchangers? If the system does in fact fit, would I be restricting the exhaust flow too much by using the 1.7 system?
I would like to reuse the exhaust system I have if I can as the money could be better spent on other parts of the restoration.
Thanks
Larry
Posted by: TeenerTim Dec 20 2007, 10:44 AM
Nice work Jim!
I appologize in advance if this is a total newbie question.
I am going to put a 2.0 in my car, but the entire exhaust system is junk. I have a set of SSI heat exchangers and decent monza muffler which is currently on a 1.7 engine. Will the heat exchangers fit on the 2.0? If so, which muffler would have to be used, a 1.7 or a 2.0? Is the difference in width caused by the engine or by a different shape of the heat exchangers? If the system does in fact fit, would I be restricting the exhaust flow too much by using the 1.7 system?
I would like to reuse the exhaust system I have if I can as the money could be better spent on other parts of the restoration.
Thanks
Larry
Based on the above diagram you need to run the 2.0 muffler with the 2.0 pipes and the 1.7 muffler with the 1.7 pipes.
Posted by: flippa Dec 20 2007, 11:38 AM
Tim, you are missing the point of my question. Jim clearly shows on his diagram that the bolt pattern on the 1.7/1.8 muffler is approximately 1.5" wider than the 2.0.
Maybe I should clarify my question. Is the difference in width due to the shape of the heat exchangers or the distance between the exhaust ports on the engine itself? If I hang the 1.7 SSI's on my 2.0 (if they even fit) what would be the distance between the bolt holes on the flanges?
The reason I am asking is because I have never tried to mix & match exhaust systems from different engines before. I'm sure someone out here has attempted to do this, so I figured I would ask before I bother to try it and find out on my own that it does not work.
It wouldn't be too difficult to modify the flanges on the muffler if the bolt pattern is slightly off, but why even try if someone definitively knows that it won't work & I would be wasting my time.
Will the HEs fit, and if so, which muffler would have to be used?
Posted by: r_towle Dec 20 2007, 12:21 PM
The HE's bolt right up.
Gotta use the same system front to back.
Same size pipe internally from 1.7 to 2.0 liter.
Rich
Posted by: Cevan Dec 20 2007, 12:55 PM
Aren't the exhaust systems the same for '75-76 cars? I've seen mufflers for sale that indicate they fit both 2.0 and 1.8 motors.
Posted by: flippa Dec 20 2007, 01:04 PM
Thanks Rich, that was the information I was looking for.
It would have sucked having to purchase a new exhaust system since I have a perfectly good one on the car now.
Posted by: r_towle Dec 20 2007, 01:20 PM
Thanks Rich, that was the information I was looking for.
It would have sucked having to purchase a new exhaust system since I have a perfectly good one on the car now.
I did not realise you are in MA.
Drop on by some day, I have all three systems, 1.7, 2.0, and 1.8
Rich
Posted by: r_towle Dec 20 2007, 01:21 PM
Aren't the exhaust systems the same for '75-76 cars? I've seen mufflers for sale that indicate they fit both 2.0 and 1.8 motors.
the 75/6 cars are using a totally different HE system.
I have no idea if you can swap the mufflers.
Rich
Posted by: jimkelly Dec 20 2007, 02:56 PM
yes - the wall is thinner - thus the ID is larger - but I do not have a steel he to measure - I can tell you the ID on sshe is 37.37mm x 31.84mm on the set that i have. jim
Are there any differences in the inside diameters of the pipes?
Do the SSI heat exchangers really have a larger ID as some have suggested?
Good info BTW.
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Posted by: flippa Dec 20 2007, 03:19 PM
I guess that this is an East Coast only thread (DE, VA & MA). Any comments from you West Coast guys????
I will take a measurement of the ID of the steel HE's when I get around to removing them in the next week or so. The parts car is sitting in the shop, but I won't start disassembly until after Christmas 
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Rich, I will give you a yell when I plan on stopping by. Send me a picture of how much of the front fender you need for your project, I will cut it off while I am chopping up the car.
Posted by: jimkelly Dec 20 2007, 03:30 PM
no - the muffler for 1975/76 he's is a three bolt rounded style - jim
see this pic
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-2460-1198329115.jpg
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Aren't the exhaust systems the same for '75-76 cars? I've seen mufflers for sale that indicate they fit both 2.0 and 1.8 motors.
the 75/6 cars are using a totally different HE system.
I have no idea if you can swap the mufflers.
Rich
Posted by: Gint Dec 20 2007, 03:47 PM
The HE's bolt right up.
Gotta use the same system front to back.
Same size pipe internally from 1.7 to 2.0 liter.
Rich
Clarification.
The inside diameter of the SSI 1.7/1.8 and 2.0 units are the same.
But the ID of the stock steel HE's are in fact different. The stock steel 2.0 HE ID is larger than the stock steel 1.7/1.8 units.
Posted by: jimkelly Dec 20 2007, 04:05 PM
the bottom line is - regardless of ID ...
you can use 2.0 or 1.7/1.8 style steel heat exchangers or stainless steel heat exchangers on any year 914 motor as long as you use the muffler for that style heat exchanger and the muffler hanger for that style muffler.
jim
Posted by: type47 Dec 20 2007, 04:19 PM
Aren't the exhaust systems the same for '75-76 cars? I've seen mufflers for sale that indicate they fit both 2.0 and 1.8 motors.
yes but different from 73-74 1.8 and 2.0. 75-> have catalytic converter
Posted by: orange914 Dec 20 2007, 07:26 PM
The HE's bolt right up.
Gotta use the same system front to back.
Same size pipe internally from 1.7 to 2.0 liter.
Rich
Clarification.
The inside diameter of the SSI 1.7/1.8 and 2.0 units are the same.
But the ID of the stock steel HE's are in fact different. The stock steel 2.0 HE ID is larger than the stock steel 1.7/1.8 units.
so... my 1.7 s/s h/e's ARE the same i.d. as 2.0 s/s's? but they are curved up at the end and obviously they must be curved out also. (the curves are my way of telling difference befween the 1.7 & .02). that is why the 1.7 measures 1.5" wider??? the 2.0 long block cant be 1.5" wider...???
mike
Posted by: jimkelly Dec 21 2007, 06:19 AM
the exhaust ports on type4 engine are in the same location for 1.7 1.8 and 2.0 --- you need to use 2.0 HEs (steel or stainless) with 2.0 muffler and 2.0 muffler hanger --- or --- you need to use 1.7/1.8 HEs with 1.7/1.8 muffler and 1.7/1.8 muffler hanger --- and you are good to go : )
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