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Posted by: Dr Evil Jan 18 2008, 01:51 PM

So the attending I am worknig with swears that he had a 75 VW Westy with MFI. He knows what a carb is and says that the injectors did not have any wires going to them. It was a while ago so his memories are not perfect, but now I am wondering if such abeast exists. What say you all?

Posted by: davep Jan 18 2008, 02:30 PM

I've never heard of such a thing. CIS version?

Posted by: Cap'n Krusty Jan 18 2008, 04:42 PM

No. No such thing. The Cap'n

Posted by: kwales Jan 18 2008, 07:13 PM

Only in his imagination....

Unless it was a rare prototype nobody cared about....

Ken

Posted by: Bleyseng Jan 18 2008, 08:01 PM

some guys have done the CIS swap including Jake on a bus.....
Factory was Ljet!

Posted by: Dr Evil Jan 18 2008, 08:22 PM

Ya, I thought so. He is interested to find out what ya'll said. An MFI set up would be neat, but too much work for the pay off. CIS is way easier to do.

Posted by: Jake Raby Jan 18 2008, 09:31 PM

CIS ccourtesy of a VW Scirocco and some RAT intervention..

The last time I tuned it was in 2001.. It's 2109cc of MassIVe power good enough to have shredded 3 trannys so far.. I tow cars and trailers @ 80 up hill :-)

Posted by: Dr Evil Jan 18 2008, 11:02 PM

When I get my 74 I intend to pit a CIS in it on a 140hp corvair engine.

Posted by: Bleyseng Jan 19 2008, 11:23 AM

Just put a 160hp 2.4 MFI Six in it and not that piece o'crap corvair motor.

Posted by: scotty b Jan 19 2008, 11:26 AM

SSHHHHhhhh I think Mikes a little annoyed with Porsche 6's right now

Posted by: Dr Evil Jan 19 2008, 11:37 AM

Oh sure! Why didnt I think of a porsche 6? Probably because the cost is freaking prohibitive. If I had a spare /6 I would put that in there, but a corvair engine is easy to work on, inexpensive, plentiful and I already have the adapters and an auto tranny that will bolt in.

Posted by: Vacca Rabite Jan 19 2008, 04:42 PM

Hey Mike,
The 6 is already out of your 914.

Throw a V8 into the 914, and put the wussy little 2.7 in a bus. Problem solved!






*hides*

Zach

Posted by: Jake Raby Jan 19 2008, 08:11 PM

Thats the best freaking quote I have read all year :-)

Posted by: degreeoff Jan 19 2008, 09:01 PM

depends on the desired result....I found a 2.4 CIS complete for 950 bucks with HE's and a good working CIS.... drop in and go.....(almost) do you want a rebuilt shinny corvair motor...it'll cost you too.

Posted by: degreeoff Jan 19 2008, 09:03 PM

I have to follow myself up by saying...I AM NOT a T-IV hater...I will own another one I am sure...another bus or bug convert.....I have owned 2 buses and my dear 914-4 (still a fast lil girl with a measly 125 hp....)

Posted by: Dr Evil Jan 19 2008, 09:05 PM

Parts are WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY cheaper and just as available. Plus, I get a 2.7 140hp motor at the end Also, I dont have to fabricate anything and I dont need an oil tank.

Posted by: alpha434 Jan 19 2008, 09:06 PM

Cost prohibitive?

You haven't submerged yourself deep enough into the community. There's always someone out there with the parts you need, and he's willing to trade.

I get all my six parts from this guy who lives about 75 miles outside of Denver. He's got more 914s in his private junk yard than the Colorado group has all together.

Posted by: Dr Evil Jan 19 2008, 09:13 PM

Wow, I am Soo impressed. This helps how?

Posted by: alpha434 Jan 19 2008, 10:44 PM

The idea that I want to "impress" upon you is that the parts are out there, and they can often be had for cheap or free. If you haven't spent anytime looking for your own "weird guy with a private junkyard outside of town" then maybe you should. May save you some time in the long run. And some headache. And finding your own contact will help you immensely in future projects.

Posted by: Dr Evil Jan 19 2008, 11:01 PM

Genius! Why didnt I think of that? I guess I should submerge myself deeper into the community.

Posted by: Twystd1 Jan 19 2008, 11:02 PM

Chris..................

Your doing it again.

Clayton

Posted by: scotty b Jan 20 2008, 10:22 AM

Yeah Mike you need to go out and find yourself some old guy with a collection of vintage parts that he has no idea what they are werth or what to do with them. Geez what the hell is wrong with you? Listen to Chris, he is trying to pass on his life experiences to ya. You might even learn how to make your very own set of Ti P&C for that 2.4/7

Posted by: Bleyseng Jan 20 2008, 10:50 AM

ya have to swap ina new cam in that corvair motor as they do spin backwards...wonder how much fun and cheap that is?

There are a few already done and it works but its still not cheap!

The cheapest/nicest engine combo is the Raby CamperSpecial...I have rebuilt mine to that config and its sweet! 90+hp, Ljet and 25mpg on trips!

Wonder what a corvair six would average?

Posted by: Dr Evil Jan 20 2008, 12:17 PM

Jeff,
Thats speculation. A reverse cam and dizzy gear is about $225-250. BUT, as I have previously stated, I am bolting the engine to a corvair auto tranny so I will not need this expense. I will be getting a different cam to increase low end. I find a lot of people speculating at the inadequacies of the corvair power plant without having any factual evidence.....sounds familiar to how our little TIV suffer the same slings and arrows, no?
The corvair is a 6cyl TIV practically. All the adapters and the tranny cost me $300. So far not an enormous expense.

Posted by: Jake Raby Jan 20 2008, 12:54 PM

The Corvair is the only aircooled engine I don't work with... Nothing on the engine makes sense.

Posted by: Dr Evil Jan 20 2008, 01:11 PM

So, the engine is bad because of why? I have built one before and it was very simple and made sense to me. It has the same basic design concepts as the VW engines so I am perplexed at the negativity garnered here.

Posted by: Bleyseng Jan 20 2008, 05:23 PM

Corvair sixes were designed with Porsche's help...

I worked on them in the late sixtys and early 70's...a friends dad had about 20 of them including some turbo model covertables..fun car.

I prefer German..

Posted by: Dr Evil Jan 20 2008, 05:36 PM

My contention with you was on the price of rebuild. You are touting the Raby kit, which I have no doubt is a fine kit, but is over $3500 and you still have to assemble it. The cost of rebuilding the corvair engine is waaayyy below this.

Posted by: tdgray Jan 21 2008, 08:46 AM

I have to agree with the Doc... while I am not a big engine builder (done it a few times) I do not see why the hostility towards the 'vair engine.

Was actually a good car and the motor was very reliable.

Posted by: type11969 Jan 21 2008, 09:12 AM

I think somebody still needs to find their Westy first

Posted by: Dr Evil Jan 21 2008, 11:52 AM

Damn you!


Wanna sell me yours so you can move?

Posted by: sean_v8_914 Jan 21 2008, 12:18 PM

Mike has done his corvair homework, I would not talk smak unless you were a corvair guru

Hey Mike: could you run a stock corvair rotation and just flip the R&P?

Posted by: type11969 Jan 21 2008, 01:29 PM

What would I use for a moving van? My Beetle?

Want to buy a ripped apart 914? There is no (longer any) rust in the pass side long. No guarantees about the rest of the car.

Posted by: ptravnic Jan 21 2008, 01:40 PM

Evil,

Just take out more student loans...

Maybe I'm biased b/c I just picked up my check from uncle sam...

-pt

Posted by: Dr Evil Jan 21 2008, 05:12 PM

You can just flip the diff if you wanted.

Getting back to my original question, I figured it out this AM. He had a 75, what he thought was MFI was the air injection system.