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Posted by: veltror May 25 2008, 05:41 PM

Well more progress now car very nearly stripped, not sure how to take out the metal dash frame but found a thread so Ill do that tomorrow. Welding starts next week. Here are some progress shots.

I hope it is of interest.

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Posted by: veltror May 25 2008, 05:45 PM

Where did the seat belt mount go?

This is not good.


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Posted by: Gint May 25 2008, 09:39 PM

There are club members here that have repaired worse.

Posted by: jimkelly May 25 2008, 09:45 PM

you will love this.

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=16748

jim

Posted by: markb May 26 2008, 12:15 AM

Posted by: Jeff Hail May 26 2008, 01:34 AM

Oh boy I am excited. I am gonna grab a seat and stay a while.
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=76791&

Welcome aboard Roman!

Posted by: plymouth37 May 26 2008, 10:36 PM

Start Welding!
I look forward to following your progress!

Posted by: veltror Jun 2 2008, 03:21 PM

Right got the thing stripped now, and it has gone off to the bodyshop, wish I had the skills to weld decently, needless to say my body man is worried. Also not the last picture of it being transported down to the man, lots of people looking at what it is..

Posted by: veltror Jun 2 2008, 03:23 PM

My 75 has what appears to be a heat shield under the boot (trunk) at the rear. is this necessary or was this a catalyst thing, it will not have a cat so wondering if I can take this rusty heat shield off.

R.

Posted by: Bartlett 914 Jun 2 2008, 03:48 PM

I would leave it on but that is me. Others have eliminated it.

I couldn't help but notice that everyone is on the wrong side of the road!

Is your car right hand drive?

Posted by: So.Cal.914 Jun 2 2008, 04:56 PM

That will be quite a project, but worth it. Welcome to the Jungle...

Posted by: veltror Jun 2 2008, 06:38 PM

Nope its left hand drive only about a dozen or so were converted by Crayford to RHD. Who says we are are on the wrong side of the road, probably explains why you have so many accidents

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driving_on_the_left_or_right

Posted by: veltror Jun 2 2008, 06:40 PM

Hey Mark,

I bought my 914 when I was living inChicago from a guy called Jay Mikesell from Prterks, do you know him? I am also trying to find a guy called George Hildinger who used to workon914's do you know of him?

Roman

Posted by: hcdmueller Jun 3 2008, 01:42 AM

Left side of the road is way better. Add in roundabouts and it all works perfectly. The Brits got that part "right".

Now if they could just put one faucet on their sinks instead of two the place wouldn't be so bad.

You have to get that car on the road. I remember seeing new cars that looked worse than that on the road. I don't think I ever saw a 914 when I lived there.

Posted by: swapped Jun 3 2008, 04:02 AM

We don't have any faucets anywhere - we have taps


British 914s suit low-loaders.

Posted by: veltror Jun 3 2008, 05:55 AM

having two taps makes it easier to have a cold shower.....

Posted by: veltror Aug 22 2008, 01:30 PM

Some progress, bodyman decided to drill out the spot welds and do it that way, now I am scared. Need some advice, since it is going to have a lot of work doen it will never be a resto, so do I go out all the way and go five stud, chrome bumpers and flares and five stud or leave it stock . I would like to leave it yellow but maybe Porsche Speed Yellow Ideas??


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Posted by: SirAndy Aug 22 2008, 01:34 PM

If you go through all that trouble, why not do whatever you like ...


This actually doesn't look so bad, i have seen much worse!
Andy

Posted by: veltror Aug 28 2008, 06:37 PM

more pictures


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Posted by: Eric_Shea Sep 5 2008, 08:42 PM

Looks like he's doing it right.

Posted by: veltror Oct 7 2008, 06:49 PM

Right one side is now being cut off, I really do not like the look of this but the bodywork guy says no problems...





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Posted by: SirAndy Oct 7 2008, 07:37 PM

Posted by: Eric_Shea Oct 7 2008, 07:49 PM

I'm thinking the guys who painted the lines on the road had a few too many "Mickey's" over lunch.

Jay has passed away BTW.

Posted by: veltror Oct 7 2008, 08:03 PM

I did hear, i always found him nice, I bought this car from him and some wheel well/wing/fender whatever liners..

Posted by: tdgray Oct 8 2008, 10:10 AM

WOW... your guy has his hands full with that one.

Posted by: beech4rd Oct 8 2008, 05:22 PM

The wavy lines are painted both sides of a pedestrian crossing. On pain of death or something slightly worse ( the stocks perhaps) you are not allowed to park cars within them in England. So, tho' you alternately scald or freeze your hands when you wash them in a sink, your chances of surviving crossing the road with the cars coming from the wrong direction are greatly enhanced because you're very visible.
The body guy is probably used to MGBs, which have rockers ( the castle section) that are not all that different from 914s. Add the quality of the 914 body when compared to the shall we say "interesting" concepts applied to the average MGs construction and this repair should be a doddle.
Chris

Posted by: veltror Oct 8 2008, 07:00 PM

Body Guy has never done a MGB, he prefers german iron, old mercedes, 56 beetle cabrio etc...

Posted by: veltror Oct 11 2008, 05:12 PM

Right near side sill formed and tacked into place.. ,ight get one side done this week.






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Posted by: Rod Oct 11 2008, 05:25 PM

Hi Roman, Great to see a 914 getting the attention it deserves

Have you decided which route to go with/without flares yet? If it were me and I had the opportunity to, Steel flares would be being tacked on..

Rod, (yes ddk Rod.)

Posted by: veltror Oct 11 2008, 07:34 PM

Yep, I have the flares, just cannot decide if I want boxster or cup wheels, really confused about what length spacers I am going to need. I am also wondering if speed yellow is the colour to go for!

Posted by: veltror Oct 18 2008, 02:17 PM

Right making good progress on one side



Lots more to do, new floors new sail panel door jamb, flares etc


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Posted by: veltror Oct 25 2008, 05:36 PM

Right one side nearly done but the outer suspension supportis suspect. need to find one, problem is nobody sells them as far as I can find so far..



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Posted by: FourBlades Oct 25 2008, 06:05 PM

Someone parting out a car will have one for you.

Just post a WTB in the classifieds.

Good luck with the repairs, looks like it is being done well.

John

Posted by: veltror Nov 1 2008, 09:59 PM

Right door pillar finished now top sill and look at the other side...



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Posted by: veltror Nov 16 2008, 08:01 PM

Right now for the other side, this is taking longer then I thought.



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Posted by: veltror Nov 22 2008, 12:07 PM

This is getting expensive and worse then I thought.




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Posted by: veltror Nov 22 2008, 08:31 PM

Some more


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Posted by: sixnotfour Nov 22 2008, 08:37 PM

Hang in there, think west coast your next US buy.

Posted by: FourBlades Nov 22 2008, 08:45 PM

You will basically have a new 914 when you get done, and with the modern rust
prevention paints and all it should be good for decades more.

John

Posted by: markb Nov 22 2008, 09:04 PM

Kudos to you for reviving a car most of us would have cut up.
It's nice to see a 914 fixed right, so I know at least a few will be around for a loooong time.

Posted by: veltror Nov 23 2008, 11:47 AM

I think I am going to cry....


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Posted by: Eric_Shea Nov 23 2008, 01:33 PM

Well... if anybody can put Humpty-Dumpty back together again, I'm betting you have it in the right hands.

Posted by: veltror Nov 23 2008, 04:42 PM

Maybe but this is getting very scary, soon it will be time to spend money with you !!!

Posted by: veltror Nov 24 2008, 11:55 AM

ok i took a picture looking back up the remains of the long, makes me want to cry or feel sick.



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Posted by: veltror Nov 29 2008, 03:44 PM

Ok inner sill tacked on


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Posted by: veltror Dec 13 2008, 09:24 PM

Ok rebuilt rear heater pipe and now need to reshape front


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Posted by: carr914 Dec 26 2008, 07:08 AM

My Original Six #673 was also from Illinois, They must use a special Salt on the roads there that goes through 914s like butter.

The way I looked at my car, I rescued it from a certain distruction, so I can do with what I want, Concour Weinies be damned. I put flares on, it's getting a 2.8 Twin-Plug, Dr Evil converted side-shifter, RennShift, etc.

So do what you want. Flares. 5-lug, Speed Yellow, 6 motor down the road.

Keep up the good fight.

T.C.

Posted by: veltror Dec 27 2008, 12:32 PM

Big update, lots of work done over Xmas. cut out the outer suspension console. Fabricated the inner long, fixed the hell hole, rebuilt the door pillar, fabricated a mount for the suspension console so it goes back int he right place. Cut out the battery tray.

Most of you guys would not bother, but not many here in the Uk so it has to be done.




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Posted by: veltror Dec 27 2008, 12:34 PM

and some more




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Posted by: jc914 Dec 27 2008, 01:35 PM

Great job, you just keep up the good work. We can all learn from you.

Posted by: veltror Dec 27 2008, 03:22 PM

I wish I could take the credit for all the metalwork but thta is being done by a magician friend of mine. called Mark


Anyway nice rusted outer console


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Posted by: veltror Dec 28 2008, 03:39 PM

some more




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Posted by: SirAndy Dec 28 2008, 03:45 PM

That's some nice metal work right there!

Andy

Posted by: So.Cal.914 Dec 28 2008, 04:00 PM

Cool, it's lke raising the dead. Your friend does nice work.

Posted by: horizontally-opposed Dec 28 2008, 04:36 PM

Lotta work to do here, but it sure looks like you took it to the right place!!!

This is exactly the kind of 914 that makes me say: do whatever you want with it. I'd be tempted to convert it to RHD if I lived where you did. Now is the time. I'm not one for modern yellows on old cars myself (maybe try Summer Yellow, a very good mid-year 911 shade), but I am all about five lugs. I'd be tempted by black GT bumpers, flares, lids, and tie-downs if I was in it this far, too. Black top and vinyl sails. 15x7s and 15x9s in RSR finishes with Michelin TB tires and other period details would make your car a standout, too. A take on the GT interior would also help defray the costs of RHD conversion. Well, that and an older RHD 911 or 912, especially a 1978-on SC or Carrera 3.2.

As for aesthetics, the more "factory" or "period correct" you go, the more marketable/valuable the car will be in the long run. Even if you don't care about that (as I don't), I think this route usually helps create more "timeless" modded cars than many other approaches. Pick a factory theme and stick with it. That said, there's a lot of people who do their own thing and end up loving the end product for a lifetime. And I dig that, too. There is room for all of us.

In the end, it's your car. Hopefully, enough of us will offer enough ideas to help you pick and choose your way through to a great final product. The only piece of hard and fast advice I'd give you is this: Think hard about that and then write it down in pen and do NOT deviate from that plan. That's how things get expensive(er).

Oh, and:

Cheers!

pete

Posted by: veltror Dec 29 2008, 04:03 PM

Some more pictures to keep ypou shaking your collective heads.




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Posted by: Phoenix 914-6GT Dec 29 2008, 04:08 PM

Looks like you have it just perfect for a Sheridan wide body

http://www.ultimate914.com

Wow that's a lot of work. Nice to see someone who likes these cars enouh to keep even the toughest resto alive Keep up the good work.

Posted by: veltror Dec 29 2008, 04:27 PM

The left outer console was pretty much toast so Chris Foley made me this part and its intended replacement




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Posted by: veltror Jan 1 2009, 11:20 AM

Well the magician doing the bodywork my mate Marek had other plans so here is a big update with some out of sequence pictures. Best wishes to all in 2009.


thanks for everybodys help off this forum


Roman


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Posted by: veltror Jan 1 2009, 11:23 AM

and some more, I am sure most of you in the US would have made this into a parts car...

Roman


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Posted by: veltror Jan 1 2009, 11:26 AM

and some more...


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Posted by: John Jentz Jan 1 2009, 11:55 AM

Amazing! Keep'em Driving!

Posted by: So.Cal.914 Jan 1 2009, 12:01 PM

Dude.

Posted by: veltror Jan 3 2009, 03:37 PM

Right, turned the car round and got cracking on the othetr side again.



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Posted by: Eric_Shea Jan 3 2009, 08:20 PM

OMF'nG

Amazing Roman! It's beginning to look like a teener again!

Posted by: veltror Jan 3 2009, 08:29 PM

Tell me about it, soon will have to cross your palm with silver for some rear arms for the five lugs... he is doing a great job!!!

Posted by: veltror Jan 4 2009, 07:30 PM

Didn't look so bad when I started





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Posted by: veltror Jan 8 2009, 06:11 PM

Some more pictures to keep you wondering why I am doing this...






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Posted by: veltror Jan 8 2009, 06:14 PM

and a few more


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Posted by: veltror Jan 10 2009, 04:31 PM

Ok gents, work has started ont he other side here are some pics for your delight.


Now he magic starts on this side.


Roman


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Posted by: veltror Jan 12 2009, 06:00 PM

Right I have been informed by magician welder Marek that all the metal he fabs is 1.5mm not 1mm. In the pictures below the long is not as bad as the other side but he has made the inner skeleton with the same number of ribs so it looks stock.

Even though this is going to be inside where you cannot see it, I am telling you the man is a genius.

I hope I can put it together to do justice to his work. I hope you guys find it interesting to see what we do in the Uk when faced with a parts car!!

Roman


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Posted by: veltror Jan 13 2009, 06:46 PM

and a few more


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Posted by: veltror Jan 15 2009, 12:34 PM

Ok some more, the finish for this side is now in sight, The internal ribs were all made by hand to match the original as much as possible . He still has to remake the outer suspension mount. Floors next


Roman


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Posted by: veltror Jan 17 2009, 09:02 PM

Right Marek made a lot of progress. Closed up the long and therefore hiding his amazing ribbed skeleton forever. Then remase the outer suspension mount, truly brilliant. Next to finish the door piller and move ontot the floors. He really is an amazing guy.




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Posted by: veltror Jan 19 2009, 06:35 PM

another picture of that amazing outer mount


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Posted by: veltror Jan 24 2009, 02:49 PM

Ok time to start on the floor, some pictures may be distressing.


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Posted by: degreeoff Jan 24 2009, 03:53 PM

Did your Grandpaw give this car to your Dad who in turn gave it to you? Or was your first child concieved and born in it? I mean DAMN son!!! talk about a car that I would have tossed due to the amount of work in it....Whew!

BTW It looks fricken sweet! Great work...I am impressed, and next to the 1/2 pans I had to put in mine...well......

Posted by: charliew Jan 24 2009, 05:57 PM

Boy I'll say one thing, this is great entertainment and a great view into the insides of the 914.

I've done work really cheap in the past for a friend but that takes the cake. A friend had a 42 ford miitary jeep given to him by a veterans lodge and I spent 371 hours on it at 10.00 a hour, I guess I donated the last 91 hours as he never paid me, but thats what friends are for right? I told him if he gave it to me I still wouldn't want it before we started on it. I really think you could have gotten a good car shipped to you for less than that repair cost. I truly don't see how that tub will be within 1/2 inch of square when you are finished. It's not even on a frame to keep it from twisting and it's obvious it's being just lifted up and down on the two outside wheels. To go with that the front lower control arm's mounts are pretty flimsy. Right now you have three thin supports connecting the front 1/2 to the rear 1/2 and the longs. It might go down the road with less friction as it may only be supported on three wheels.
I guess at this point you are too far into it to stop now. How thick do you think the metal is that you can't see both sides of that won't get replaced?
Maybe it'l make the history books on metal fabbing.

Posted by: veltror Jan 24 2009, 07:03 PM

Before I put it up on its side I measured what I could and it all seemed to agree. Admittedly the standing up on two wheel shas me concerned but it was either that or throw it away. I have gone too far now. What is being replace is 1.5mm thick. I realise it is easy to see fault but in the Uk we do not have access to the amount of tubs that you guys do. Most of the production went to the US so that explains that. I bought this car in the US while I was living there and got very attached to it. Besides it will be another one saved and I do not plan on disposing of it ever. It's easy to say stop.

Posted by: iamchappy Jan 24 2009, 08:12 PM

Good God, i cant bare to watch this anymore, I will check back when you get to page 500.

Such an undertaking is overwhelming me, My original 73 that i bought off the show room floor and held onto for over 30 years before i cut it up was in far better shape, and i had sentimental attachment to that car too. If you get this car done i will fly over the pond to raise an ale to you and your triumph.

Veltror you are THE man.......

Best of luck.....

Posted by: ericread Jan 24 2009, 08:18 PM

Every time I look at your pics I am totally amazed!!! I wish you all the best, and hope everything comes out square. For the amount of work being performed to save a teener, you deserve as much.

Eric Read

Posted by: FourBlades Jan 24 2009, 08:25 PM

Don't worry, the pain of paying for it will fade, but the satisfaction will be there
every single time you get into it, or your friends admire it.

I think Charlie had a good point about trying to preserve the proper measurements. Maybe some kind of square tube framework bolted to
the suspension mounting points that has and maintains the proper dimensions.
Triangulated with plates or tubes would be good.

If the car is off at this point, get Marek to make a some cuts and pull it
back into square, then sleave and weld them up. This would probably work best
with the car flat to the ground, so you can level the framework up before bolting
it on, and you can use a level plain as a reference.

Mind you, I am no expert, but I think it would be worth some effort now to avoid
a costly trip to the Cellette bench later. Your man seems to be good enough to
do this no problem.

John

Posted by: charliew Jan 24 2009, 09:21 PM

Maybe putting the doors back on to see what the gaps are and how they fit the sides would show how much twist it has. Oops I forgot it has no sides. It's beyond me.

Posted by: So.Cal.914 Jan 24 2009, 10:43 PM

I think you Rock, to bring back the car you love knowing you will never get that money back. But warm in the knowledge that you own the bragging rights and the pink slip Daddy.

Posted by: veltror Jan 25 2009, 10:04 AM

The doors have been on a number of times but gaps are hard to fathom if there are no wings on the car. I just got back a rear wing which had been soda blasted so when that goes on we can see the gaps etc.

I am sure he knows what he is doing he recently rebuilt a Beetle Cabrio which really was dead and that came up all square.

The car reminds e of so many good memories that could not bring myself to break it.

Posted by: veltror Jan 31 2009, 08:43 PM

Is there anything ehich is not rotten on this? At least the Konis came up nice after soda blasting


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Posted by: veltror Feb 14 2009, 07:41 PM

Well now I know why pressing on the brakes hard felt odd. The master cyslinder mount was a bit weak so Marek made up a new one. He says this caused himt he most headaches

Some pictures for your delight.

Roman


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Posted by: Randal Feb 15 2009, 11:03 AM

We put US single hole faucets on UK sinks way back in 1970 when I was in the there. The plumbers would insist they would never work, but they worked just fine.

As to your project: I am always amazed at the quality workmanship you find in the UK. I managed to knock the front end of my S4 Elan several times and each time it was fixed to perfection.

WoW, your project is such an undertaking, but in the end it'll be worth it. After all there is nothing like driving down to the pub on Sunday morning when the sun is out and the hood is off. Magic.

Posted by: veltror Feb 15 2009, 03:36 PM

I could be rude and say we have taps not faucets....

I look forward to driving it again...

Posted by: Randal Feb 15 2009, 07:19 PM

We brought US kitchen faucets with us to replace the UK taps.

Funny how many things change on that final approach into Heathrow.

Posted by: veltror Feb 17 2009, 05:16 AM

Even this is rotten

R


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Posted by: my928s4 Feb 17 2009, 08:58 AM

Blimey, does it ever end !!! One thing I wish I had done on mine is to have the car blasted, I wonder if you had done that whether you would have had 2nd thoughts?

Looking at your original photos of the car who would have guessed ... amazing fabrication though.

Posted by: Solo914 Feb 17 2009, 12:16 PM

You are hereby nominated for 914 Sainthood.

Kyle

Posted by: veltror Apr 21 2009, 02:20 PM

Just to let you know that I have not given up !!! Just bodywork has taken a bit of a slowdown so I am working on cleaning up some of the other parts, but even these are rotten !!! Is there anything which is not ? Not sure where I can find some nice replacements not much on ebay...





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Posted by: FourBlades Apr 21 2009, 07:23 PM

I have rust free front driver side suspension mounts, the three hole one and the
one hole one that you pictured. You can have them for what I paid for them:
nothing.

John

Posted by: veltror Apr 22 2009, 03:50 AM

Thanks John, but the suspension mounts have been rebuilt I was refferring to the interior trim being rotten also....

Posted by: Wes V May 24 2009, 08:59 AM

Just an observation;

I live in California and like reading two British publications that are brought over here. One is "Mini" and the other is "Classic Ford" (Cortina's and such)

I've always been envious as to what engines you British guys are allowed to install legally and all the creativity that goes into it. All the way to motorcycle engines in the rear of Mini's.

What's funny about reading about British "builds" however is the exceptance of replacing major body sections. (Damn, you can buy a complete, new, metal body shell for a 60's Mini) Rust in England is something excepted and dealt with.


I'm impressed with your project!

Wes

Posted by: So.Cal.914 May 24 2009, 12:49 PM

Dude, everytime I see your thread I am amazed. My Regards and Respect to Marek.

Posted by: Gigamight Jun 11 2009, 06:55 PM

Was that thing some kind of experimental deep sea 914? I mean how does a car rust THAT much?!

After seeing this thread I am encouraged to go forward with my rustoration.

If you can do THAT..... mybe I can fix mine.

My hat is off to you sir.

Posted by: FourBlades Sep 15 2009, 08:10 AM

What is going on with the rustoration?

How are you coming along?

John

Posted by: veltror Sep 17 2009, 05:45 PM

Well progress has slowed to a crawl. marek, is working on my car when he has time and sadly he has not had too much of that lately although I do hope to have some preogress soon. I have been busy trying to locate parts etc and clean up and restore the bits that are off the car. As soon as any more pictures are ready i will post them here, I have not given up....

Posted by: carr914 Sep 17 2009, 10:49 PM

Of course, you can't give up, cause rust never sleeps. I understand why your guy has to step away from your car every once in a while. He probably has nightmares everynight that he works on it.

T.C.

Posted by: Archie Sep 23 2009, 10:54 PM

Didn't know there were any 914s in the UK! Impressive!

All the best, expat in Vancouver

Posted by: Geezer914 Sep 24 2009, 06:00 PM

You are one brave and dedicated person! Those pictures make a grown man cry! I an surprized the car survived the trip across the pond without breaking in 2. That is why I searched for a California car and it still had rust in the battery tray area and both sides of the engine shelf. You deserve a medal!

Posted by: veltror Sep 24 2009, 07:05 PM

The carws good when I shipped it over, I drove it everyday for 10 years in snow, rain whatever.

Posted by: BMiller Oct 10 2009, 12:19 AM

WOW! This is an amazing salvage job! I look forward to more pics when the work picks back up..........bookmarked

Posted by: dlestep Oct 10 2009, 07:41 AM

...greetings from across the pond.
I must say, that viewing your dedication [to this] is, as they say on this website, a disease. To others not acquainted to the 914, they may feel it is an affliction that is akin to stacking BBs; polishing turds; swimming upstream; pissing against the wind; and/or licking the shit off of a rusty razor blade.
After observing your struggle, I cannot, under any circumstances, bitch, moan or groan about anything I may come across, during my restoration.
You have shown that perseverance, through the direst of situations, will be rewarded. Your 914 will be more meaningful to you and to us as a group, than any other on the road, no matter how perfect.
Your struggle has become our struggle. You have given validation to those that question their choice, and hope to those sitting on the parapet of their restorations with fear of the task ahead.
You have accomplished much more than bringing a car back to life, and we all thank you for that intangible spark that renews us and pushes us forward.
Dave

Posted by: veltror Nov 7 2009, 04:21 PM

Hopefully work will now restart, which would be good, anyway the rear inner and outer firewalls are being done now.


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Posted by: veltror Nov 21 2009, 04:08 PM

Now the other side, note the rotten front steering rack mount also. Still hoping to have a floor in soon.


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Posted by: al weidman Dec 8 2009, 12:34 AM

Veltror, how is your front trunk? I was looking at mine and the front control arm pad is just sitting there with some rusted metal around it. If your's is the same could you show how Marek addresses this as well. There doesn't seem to be any threads that shows how this is repaired. Jeff Hail touches on it, but he has something to weld to. Al.

Posted by: veltror Dec 8 2009, 03:55 AM

It's not so bad minor hole on one side, not sure when he is going to get round to it but i will let you know.


Roman

Posted by: rfuerst911sc Dec 8 2009, 06:03 AM

Great project to follow and good luck with its completion. Curious what you have planned for rust prevention ?

Posted by: veltror Dec 8 2009, 02:55 PM

Rust prevention, well POR-15 where I can and then all the box sections will be sprayed with Dinitrol

http://www.frost.co.uk/productList.asp?catID=28&frostCat=Rust&subcatID=35&frostSubCat=Dinitrol

unless anyone can suggest anything else...

Posted by: SirAndy Dec 8 2009, 03:03 PM

Don't do the POR-15, it doesn't work as advertised, i'm afraid.

Their Metal Ready or Ospho will work OK in converting any surface rust.

The wax for sealing the hollow spaces is a good idea.
Andy

Posted by: veltror Mar 31 2010, 02:20 PM

Right, I expect that there will be some more updates soon. In the meantime I have started cleaning and putting together some of the parts I have been collecting over the last year or so. Firstly I got these A arms cheaply which have been cleaned and zinced, I plan to powder coat these, I assume they are all the same? I plan to put in my Koni 911 struts into these.

Secondly I started cleaning my headlight motors and assorted gubbins I noticed that one operating arm is steel the other white plastic which one is correct?


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Posted by: SirAndy Mar 31 2010, 02:25 PM

Steel = Early model car (up to '74)
Plastic = Late model car ('75/'76)


As for the A-Arms, make sure they are not bend. Post a pic of the underside of the hole where the strut will mount ...

Andy

Posted by: veltror Mar 31 2010, 02:29 PM

Right thanks for that Andy i'll go take a picture in a moment.

I also derusted the A trims, everything on this car is rotten.


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Posted by: kwales Mar 31 2010, 04:14 PM

Paint is good. Zinc chromate is nice, it has zinc in the paint to act as a sacrificial anode to prevent corrosion. Use aircraft grade. Be careful welding over it, the zinc fumes can be dangerous.

My other paint favorite is a self etching primer paint called Dupont Variprime (516S or 615S ???) . It's a 2 part catalyzed paint, sticks great (acid etch), is waterproof so it can sit in the rain, and catalyzes into a nice hard scratch resistant surface.

On top of the Variprime, add regular auto paint on areas that can be sprayed, and add the Dinitrol cavity wax to inside panels that can't receive a color coat, or Dinitrol over the auto paint. One of the Brit car magazines did a test on paints and coatings, and that Dinitrol yellow cavity wax was best. Even stopped rust on the other side of the test panel. I need to find that magazine and the Dinotrol number.

The nice thing with the cavity wax is it forms a hard surface film with a soft underlayer. Scratch the surface film, and the underlayer oozes to heal the scratch.

Right now I'm using the Variprime, and want to get some Dinitrol to put over it.

Posted by: veltror Mar 31 2010, 05:41 PM

The A arms do not look bent, what do you think Andy




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Posted by: veltror May 5 2010, 11:15 AM

I am getting pissed off now . Progress has been very slow on the body side of things although I am being promised some good work shortly. Hopefully that will mean floors and replaced throttle tube (don't ask). So despite not being able to walk very much due to ankle problems I thought I had better start doing something with all of the other parts.

So I am currently redoing the dashboard since it is rusty what a surprise, I thought I would start on the suspension. I have some nice sandblasted Koni struts and got some 8641-1039 inserts like Richard has but Jason at Paragon tells me that they won't fit since there were two types. So it looks like I am going to have to get rid of these to fund some others.

Now I also find that using 914-6 rear discs on my 5-stud conversion requires some lathe work to turn down the discs a few mm this si getting me mad, one of the ideas of this project is to have as much bolt in stuff as possible so in the future my son will be able to have my car and not have to remember that there are lots of special bits. All we need now is the Labour party to win the election tomorrow and remain in power....


You can see where the insert necks down two low, what struts will these bloody inserts fit ? So I can describe them to somebody who wants them.

I feel as if



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Posted by: SirAndy May 5 2010, 11:21 AM

They look good.

As long as the hole is centered between the metal flanges, you're good ...
Andy



I added a pic to illustrate. The hole for the strut should be centered so that the distance marked by the green arrows is the same. If the hole is not centered, the arms are bend.


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Posted by: veltror May 5 2010, 11:31 AM

At last some good news!! Thanks Andy it almost makes the pain in my foot vanish....

Posted by: my928s4 May 5 2010, 02:36 PM

I feel your pain on that one, same thing happened to me ... Koni struts and inserts designed for Boge struts no worky. Make sure you order new gland nuts too.

Posted by: veltror May 22 2010, 06:52 PM

Welding has restarted


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Posted by: veltror May 23 2010, 05:33 AM

the whole front area around the master cylinder was pretty weak and crusty so marek replaced all of that and also the area in in the inner wing. Sometime in the past it had some work done and the throttle tube got burned thru, so that is being fixed also.. rust everywhere, hopefully a floor soon!!!

Posted by: FourBlades May 23 2010, 10:00 AM

Glad to see some new progress. Floors are easy compared to what
you have already had fixed.

John

Posted by: veltror May 26 2010, 12:32 PM

Marek, has got the bit between his teeth now, first he fixed the throttle tube which was u/s rebuilt all the metalwork around the pedal cluster, which was paper thin.

Floors need some fettling but are in place ready to be welded tomorrow. Then the other side and for the first time in a while it will be back on its wheels.
Much more work still to come, fitting of door jamb, refitting of wings and flares.. but its on its way which counts....

Marek I know you will be reading this thank you!!!!


Roman


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Posted by: jeffdon May 26 2010, 01:18 PM

Good god man. Could you not have just started with a pile of clean sheet metal and just BUILT a new 914?

Posted by: azbill May 26 2010, 01:24 PM

These guys are gluttons for punishment. What a project. And I thought my was a challenge. Fantastic work

Posted by: Cairo94507 May 29 2010, 07:38 AM

Absolutely does my heart good to see this work. Some day I will be seeing my car go this thorough of a restoration but hopefully not a rustoration. I love this thread; thank you for taking the time to take the pictures and post them for all to enjoy.

Posted by: arkitect May 29 2010, 07:58 AM

Pretty incredible rustoration, your roteserie is the only way to go with so many bottom pieces to replace. Like to see it finished.

Dave

Posted by: veltror May 29 2010, 11:19 AM

Works continues, floors got welded in on one side, throttle tube was fixed and pedal area remade from scratch. Today the car got turned round and the other side of the floor is going to get welded in. Marek, the genius who is doing this has suddenly got his appetite back fro this project, at around the two year mark.

Anyway here are some pictures from today.


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Posted by: veltror Jun 16 2010, 08:20 AM

When it rains it pours, after closing it all up we noticed we had been using an incorrect cable to make sure the throttle tube was good, arghhhhhhhhhhhh, had to cut out the floor again weldin a new tube and weld it up again. This is going to send me insane...

Posted by: siverson Jul 4 2010, 09:25 PM

Unbelievable.

> You are hereby nominated for 914 Sainthood.

I agree.

-Steve

Posted by: charliew Jul 7 2010, 06:39 PM

It is a tremendous amount of labor and to me the repair is overwelming. But it seems to me a good opportunity to clean out all the surface rust was missed on the tunnel and interior. I am not a fan of painting over surface rust with silver por 15. Was it even osphoed? A opinion can be that no moisture will get back inside the tunnel to get under the paint but the rust is really still there waiting on the moisture but it is a coating and looks better than surface rust. I am also not a fan of the flip over using the wheels and the suspension arms to support the weight of the car but I have seen these things before used in europe in small shops. I don't think a unibody and it's suspension was designed to support the weight of the car on the edge of the wheel in this direction.

I love to see inside the different areas of the 914 though and to get a idea of the overlap of the different panels.

Thanks for this thread and I will be glad to see it going again.

Posted by: veltror Jul 8 2010, 04:41 AM

Just to make it clear, it was derusted, prepped and painted several times, it is not por15 it was painted with some zinc primared somethign or other that my body man di and then covered in some silver paint as a top coat. I doubt it will rust again, I plan to dinitrol it afterwards. I understand the concerns for flipover but I am kind of limited in what i can do. I did have the car back on its wheels recently and am happy to say it has not twisted, all the measurements still look good. Parts supply is a problem but I have just scored a NOS left rear wing which is good since it was very rotten and the door jamb was crud. Pictures soon.

Roman

Posted by: Silverstreak Jul 9 2010, 07:07 PM

Just read this entire thread. My compliments to your body man and you for sticking with it and doing a great job of it. Can't wait to see more.

Posted by: veltror Jul 26 2010, 12:58 PM

Look what I bought from Mittelmotor ....


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Posted by: EdArango Jul 26 2010, 10:02 PM

Man!!! You are great at welding!!!! A regular Edd China!! you are!!

Posted by: veltror Jul 28 2010, 09:28 AM

It will almost be a shame to fit this NOS wing...

Posted by: Middlefour Jul 31 2010, 10:10 AM

Roman you are a star!! Wish I had known you were going to Mittelmotor, could have picked up some bits for me!! Perhaps we should arrange a bus trip

By the way is there any welding wire left in your part of London........

Posted by: veltror Oct 16 2010, 08:41 AM

Well progress has slowed to a crawl because of other commitments of the body guy but all going well things should start to ramp up again in a week or so. In the meantime I found some more treasure, in this case a drivers side i.e. left side NOS window mechanism, fabuloso !!!


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Posted by: veltror Nov 28 2010, 03:36 PM

Well it has been a while, my bodyman had some work he needed to do on a POS MG Midget, who buys that crap. Anyway he hopes to be able to start spending some time on the 914 now. this is slow, but then again good work has to wait. The floor is now complete as it the area in the front around the pedal cluster. he also finished with the rear firewall. Next he will tackle the holes in the front boot and around the front torsion bar mount although that does not look too serious.

Hopefully the front wings will be reattached before Christmas and in the new year the rear NOS quarter/wing.


Enjoy


Roman


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Posted by: carr914 Nov 28 2010, 07:18 PM

Keep Going Roman. Pretty Cool we both posted updates on our "Rustorations" on the same day.



T.C.

Posted by: speed metal army Nov 28 2010, 09:03 PM

Ive got a parts car that doesnt need this much love...Im gonna fix it now..Nice job guys!Inspiring to say the least.

Posted by: veltror Nov 29 2010, 01:29 PM

Not that many parts cars here....

Posted by: veltror Feb 7 2011, 03:37 PM

Well i thought I should post an update. Sadly there has been little progress, this is something I am very unhappy about, does not look like I am going to have it ready for this summer which is very annoying indeed.


Anyway on one of my recent visits to see the lack of progress I was shown that the left hand side of the front panel had had a poor accident repair job in the past and my suggested that it would be nice if I could source a repair panel. Well considering that I had never seen one for sale I thought this was a joke. Anyway that evening I had a quick look on German ebay and saw a panel which was complete apart from a piece that somebody had cut off the other side for an identical repair, and it was relatively cheap so a score . All I need know is to have it bloody well fitted.


Roman


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Posted by: SirAndy Feb 7 2011, 03:51 PM

Nice!

Posted by: veltror May 7 2011, 02:01 PM

After what appeared to be eternity work has restarted, took some test fits of the door and rear wing, all looks good, no alignment issues. The door dtriker needs replacing but the repro that i have is good. the inner sailpanel did not fair too well, so it had to be remade, although not obvious in the pictures it is not just flat but does have some shape to it. All going well the LHS should be done this week.




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Posted by: veltror May 7 2011, 02:02 PM

More pics,


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Posted by: FourBlades May 7 2011, 09:21 PM

You have come so far with this restoration.

Looks like light at the end of the tunnel.

John

Posted by: ppetion May 7 2011, 09:50 PM

Wow! great job, Hope to see a pic of this teener on the road soon

Posted by: carr914 May 8 2011, 05:07 AM

That is the frustrating part of having someone else doing the work - while they may be Very good at what they do, they don't have the Passion for your car. Believe me, I went through unhappy, angry, frustrating, & joy in the 3 years my car was at somebody's shop.

T.C.

Posted by: veltror May 8 2011, 04:46 PM

I do not weld, and since this is being done for me on a mate's rate I just have to grin and bear it...

Posted by: carr914 May 8 2011, 07:36 PM

Exactly my situation

Posted by: charliew May 8 2011, 08:07 PM

Welding is the easy part, the fitting and controlling warping is the tough part. It is coming along though.

Posted by: veltror May 14 2011, 01:52 PM

Right some more progress NOS rear wing fitted and rusty rear valance cut out. I wish I had some nice new front wings but they are not common in the Uk so i am making do with the used ones I got, they needa bit of work though...


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Posted by: veltror May 14 2011, 01:53 PM

more pictures


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Posted by: veltror May 22 2011, 02:17 PM

Well at least there is progress now. the rear wing is now matched as best it can be and the door gaps are pretty good. The rear valaence needed a bit more work then I though but ist is done now. The other thing was that the pipe to bring the air from the round vent in the door jamb to the interior of the car was rotten so that had to be remade. Front valance next , or maybe the other rear wing...

Hope you like the pics.

Roman


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Posted by: sixnotfour May 22 2011, 07:11 PM

Looks Great, with the rubber on the road.

Posted by: veltror Aug 23 2011, 01:47 PM

Well progress is slow but at least there is progress. Sadly the front wing, fender for you yanks, that I accquired last year is u/s but due to the amazing people Ross I am going to have a nice rust free one from his written off black beauty, and he even sawzalled or what it is called the bottom torsion bar mounting also so here are a few pictures. Note the front panel is trimmed since I obtained a new NOS one which had the right corner cut off, i need the left corner so we were all happy. All going well i should have some pictures of the rear of the car.


Thanks for your messages of encouragement.


Roman




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Posted by: Ductech Aug 23 2011, 02:03 PM

Roman. To take a car that so many of us yanks would have run away from crying, and dig that deep into it is an amazing story of devotion. Good luck. i hope you get to drive it soon.

Posted by: veltror Aug 23 2011, 03:11 PM

soon? Haha.......rofl

Posted by: dlestep Aug 24 2011, 07:56 AM

...when I think that I am having a problem with any of my builds, I just log onto
this website and view the depth of what you have had to go through, and the
unwaivering determinination to complete your restoration, and when I have a
seemingly catastrophic problem, I will think...
...WWVD.

Posted by: mr914 Nov 22 2011, 02:33 PM

Wow, way more rust than my 914-6 rust-or-ation

Keep up the good work. And thank you, I have seen the soloution to a couple of rust repair options that I have.

What have you done as far as alignment to keep the car straight. I have seen many a 914 that was repaired and then found to be 1/2 - 3/4 inch twisted and could not be corner balanced or properly alinged?

Posted by: veltror Nov 24 2011, 02:48 PM

I had bracing welded in everywhere, when I put on the rear wing and aligned the door it looked fine.. but time will tell..

Posted by: Dominic Nov 25 2011, 03:04 AM

Roman,
If you need help when you re-assembe the 914 just give me a shout. I just moved to the U.K. about two months ago and I live just to the east of Bury St Edmunds off of the A14. It looks like you are about 1.5 hours drive from me. Of course I don't have a 914 out here but I have plenty of tools and experience with 914's.
Cheers!

Dominic

Posted by: jules2c Jan 15 2012, 05:44 PM

Roman, this has made my day, it has been like watching a car crash I had to cover my eyes at times seeing the extent of the corrosion. The work done is daunting and makes mine look easy. I am no longer alone, I thought that after making the door lock mechanism from scratch, welding beams inside the beams etc etc that I had suffered, it is almost insignifcant compared to your project. I may have some parts you could use as I pass your way regularly.

Posted by: veltror Jan 16 2012, 01:29 PM

Glad somebody found it amusing? I am running a little slow due to various other issues but this will be done this year... although I did say that last year.

Posted by: Enzo Jan 16 2012, 02:02 PM

I am just about to start a resto a bit like this, also in the UK... its been a good to see all those pics of how its supposed to go together.

Mine just seems bad down the right side, so hopefully only have half the work that you did!

Posted by: flytech78 Jun 13 2012, 12:48 AM

I think that even as far as you have come, I could sell you my rust free, new motor, 6k of new paint and ship it for less.......
I have to give it to you either your metal guy really needs the money and did not tell you the extent of the project or you really wanted a brand new 914!
Fun pics i really am learning the internals of how they put this thing together and for that i U.

Posted by: veltror Jun 13 2012, 04:48 PM

Yes, well maybe my metal guy does not need the money, hopefully I will have news soon as I am amexpecting a front wing/fender use whatever english you wish to some shortly.


roman

Posted by: jules2c Jul 8 2012, 02:25 PM

Roman, I am about to plasma out the entire floor of the boot, when I get a compressor that is not lying about its pressure output. That will have the exhaust heat-shield I think you wanted if this is of any use to you let me know. The jack is of no use to me as jacking points removed, slight exaggeration did not exist.
I was not amused as you seem to have suggested in the last post, in awe used in the correct way!
I have loads of engine gearbox exhaust bits, but will have to sell those as don't want to exceed my budget of zero for purchase and rebuild.

Posted by: trojanhorsepower Mar 19 2013, 05:32 PM

It really was coming along so well, I just have to ask for an update.

Posted by: rsrguy3 Feb 27 2014, 03:44 PM

What's the latest Roman?

Posted by: Dion Nov 4 2018, 08:37 PM

Roman whatever happened? @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=8978 Is the 914 done? Hope all is well.
It looked to be progressing nicely.

Posted by: veltror Nov 6 2018, 12:43 PM

sadly it is not, lack of money and the fact that my friend is doing all the metal work pretty much gratis means much has not been done, sadly family issuesd have also caused more issues, wish I had better info guys

but in the meantime I rebuilt a Beetle Karmann

Posted by: Dion Nov 6 2018, 06:32 PM

Sorry to hear your progress stopped. Family is more important than cars.
Hope it all works out later for you. Enjoy the Beetle.

Posted by: beltwerks Jan 2 2024, 02:44 PM

Did this car ever get finished.? 5 years ago now.