Printable Version of Topic
Click here to view this topic in its original format
914World.com _ 914World Garage _ 914 air conditioning
Posted by: dilde Jun 12 2008, 05:45 PM
Hey guys & gals,
The York compressor in my '73 2.0 has finally died. I have already changed out the hoses previously to "barrier?" hoses which run 134a freon. I can get another rebuilt York I suppose, but I have heard of rotary compressors working better and using less hp to run. Has anyone already made the changeover? Are there any rotary compressors that fit properly? Do I need mounting brackets?
Any info would be greatly appreciated. I live in So. Cal and gas is $4.65 as of today, which means the 914 will be on the road more than the F-150. And it's getting hot here!
Scott
Posted by: McMark Jun 12 2008, 07:56 PM
A more helpful parts store might have a picture/spec book for compressors that you could look through and find something. Or, you can search for other cars which used that same unit and see if someone else found anything. That compressor is not a 914 specific part, so it was undoubtedly used on other cars. Or there is always the idea of making an adapter plate.
I was just thinking about this today, and had a brainstorm. Run fluid lines inside of the seat upholstery, run a tiny A/C setup that will cool a fluid tank instead of cooling air, then pump the chilly fluid through the seats. I would think that the size of the A/C system would be very small. Maybe even small enough to run an electric compressor... 
Posted by: Travis Neff Jun 12 2008, 08:06 PM
That's a pretty crafty idea
Posted by: draperjojo Jun 12 2008, 08:29 PM
You could check with these guys
http://www.iceac.com/germanproducts.html
or call..........come on Dave, just say it........that one auto place down there in Marietta..............
Posted by: LvSteveH Jun 12 2008, 08:30 PM
There's always option "B" 
Attached image(s)
Posted by: ericread Jun 12 2008, 08:35 PM
How about just hooking it up to a cool shirt!
Sorry, air conditioning is not the same as a cold seat.
As for myelf, I take off the targa top and open the windows.
Posted by: computers4kids Jun 12 2008, 08:36 PM
I bought a new Sanden508 off an ebay auction that runs on R134 and a new adapter plate that is made specially to bolt the 508 to the York bracket. Cost for the two with shipping was $200.
Now that I've gone to a v-8, I'm not to sure I will be using the parts.
Attached image(s)
Posted by: dilde Jun 12 2008, 11:41 PM
Thanks guys, especially for the laughs. I know there has to be a better way than just rebuilding the York.
Computers4kids, thanks. I knew I came to the right place.
Any other suggestions welcomed.
Posted by: hcdmueller Jun 13 2008, 01:23 AM
Computers4kids, if you decide to get rid of the compressor setup PM me. I was debating tearing out my AC but lately it seems better to keep it.
Posted by: Gint Jun 17 2008, 05:27 PM
There's always option "B"
Posted by: McMark Jun 17 2008, 08:01 PM
Power Inverter + home A/C unit.
Posted by: davep Jun 17 2008, 10:47 PM
I know about a spare condenser that is available.
Posted by: LvSteveH Jun 18 2008, 12:24 AM
There's always option "B"
McMark nailed it. I simile whenever I see that pic.
Posted by: maf914 Jun 18 2008, 09:52 AM
The adapter bracket in Computers4kids post is available for $45 on e-bay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/York-to-Sanden-Conversion- Bracket_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742Q2em153Q2el1262QQcategoryZ33543QQihZ009QQ
itemZ190138009435
I just wonder if it fits the York bracket used for the 914 A/C kits used by the dealers and how the Sanden compressor fits relative to the big York. I would like to know how much engine sheet metal needs to be cut or reshaped. I guess you just have to give it a shot.... 
Posted by: computers4kids Jun 18 2008, 10:54 AM
The adapter bracket in Computers4kids post is available for $45 on e-bay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/York-to-Sanden-Conversion- Bracket_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742Q2em153Q2el1262QQcategoryZ33543QQihZ009QQ
itemZ190138009435
I just wonder if it fits the York bracket used for the 914 A/C kits used by the dealers and how the Sanden compressor fits relative to the big York. I would like to know how much engine sheet metal needs to be cut or reshaped. I guess you just have to give it a shot....
Here's one install...not mine. I've seen it done without cutting the shelf as well.
Attached image(s)
Posted by: maf914 Jun 20 2008, 08:26 AM
Mark, Thanks for the photo. Looks like the engine tin still needs to be cut quite a bit. That is a clean engine compartment!
Posted by: thomasotten Jul 30 2008, 01:24 PM
Is this adapter all that is needed to bolt to the fan shroud, or do you need the old bracket as well? I'm confused.
Posted by: computers4kids Jul 30 2008, 01:37 PM
Is this adapter all that is needed to bolt to the fan shroud, or do you need the old bracket as well? I'm confused.
The adapter from ebay bolts to part of the York bracket...you need both.
Posted by: JRust Jul 30 2008, 02:15 PM
There's always option "B"
That is flippin hilarious
Posted by: JmuRiz Jul 30 2008, 04:07 PM
The adapter bracket in Computers4kids post is available for $45 on e-bay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/York-to-Sanden-Conversion- Bracket_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742Q2em153Q2el1262QQcategoryZ33543QQihZ009QQ
itemZ190138009435
I just wonder if it fits the York bracket used for the 914 A/C kits used by the dealers and how the Sanden compressor fits relative to the big York. I would like to know how much engine sheet metal needs to be cut or reshaped. I guess you just have to give it a shot....
Here's one install...not mine. I've seen it done without cutting the shelf as well.
Here's another link I got for a York to Sanden bracket from a Mercedes site I visit, you may check with this company about it:
http://www.ackits.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=01&Product_Code=5033&Category_Code=
Posted by: southernmost914 Jul 30 2008, 06:34 PM
Photo of same brackets and Sanden 505:
attachmentid=152028]
Attached image(s)
Posted by: jjs3rd914 Jul 30 2008, 09:48 PM
I too used a York to Sanded adapter on a DPD system which we converted to 134a. We modified the brackets to allow for an easier adjustment and less hardware. All new barrier hoses were used with the new compressor. The system works great with 40 deg. vent temperatures at higher RPM. Only problem is engine is a 1972 1.7L and not a lot of HP. Had to rig up an additional air valve to get more air on idle as car would die from the load.
Hope the picture help.
jjs3rd914
Posted by: Joe Owensby Jul 30 2008, 10:18 PM
Did you have to have any idler pulleys with this last set up? I have adapted a Sanden compressor to a York Mount that came with a parts car. This adapter had a small idler pulley that ran under the bottom side of the belt, just inside the compressor. I assumed this was needed to provide clearance, but was wondering from your photos if it was really needed. I plan to rework my mount the next time I have to remove the engine, to something similar to what you have, as it looks to be much easier to adjust the belt tension. Thanks for sharing the photos. JoeO
Posted by: bandjoey Jul 30 2008, 11:15 PM
And then there's Option C
Attached image(s)
Posted by: bandjoey Jul 30 2008, 11:18 PM
Seriously...here's a shot of body work up front where the condensor goes..This is the strongest and cleanest setup I've seen...not mine, but getting ready to do mine this way.
Attached image(s)
Posted by: jjs3rd914 Jul 31 2008, 08:59 PM
Did you have to have any idler pulleys with this last set up? I have adapted a Sanden compressor to a York Mount that came with a parts car. This adapter had a small idler pulley that ran under the bottom side of the belt, just inside the compressor. I assumed this was needed to provide clearance, but was wondering from your photos if it was really needed. I plan to rework my mount the next time I have to remove the engine, to something similar to what you have, as it looks to be much easier to adjust the belt tension. Thanks for sharing the photos. JoeO
If you notice we did not even use the York bracket to which the Sanden adapter was to mount. We just drilled a couple of extra holes on the adapter itself and made the slotted adjustment pieces. Yes our original York mount had a idler pulley. On this new setup we had to slightly modify the oil cooler bracket for clearance, but otherwise no other mods for the belt to clear. It took several attempts to finally get the right belt length for proper adjustment. By eliminating the York bracket we also saved some weight and space.
In a later post there is a picture of the front truck reinforcement frame. We also did the same thing and welded in a 1/2" square tubing frame to "fix" the hack job the dealer had done when the car was new.
About the only other upgrade we might do in the future to the stock DPD system is to replace the original fan and motor on the condensor with a "SPAL" multi-blade fan for more air flow.
jjs3rd914
Posted by: Joe Owensby Jul 31 2008, 09:15 PM
Thanks for the info. This will be a big help when I clean up my installation. JoeO
Posted by: r_towle Jul 31 2008, 09:20 PM
How is the belt run on these systems???
Rich
Posted by: Joe Owensby Aug 19 2008, 11:01 PM
The aftermarket system on my parts car had a small (maybe 6" diameter) pulley located behind the cooling fan. It replaced the washer/spacer behind the fan. the belt runs out the passenger side of the car, just in front of the oil cooler. Mine had a small idler pulley just below the pulleyon thecompressor. I am not sure if this was to tension the belt, or to raise it a little for clearance purposes. It actually contacted the "V" belt on the outer surface and raised the belt up a little. JoeO
Posted by: jdamiano Feb 3 2019, 06:18 PM
For anyone using this for reference as I did. My car has the VPC system. I got a Sanden 505 and York to Sanden bracket. I had to cut a slot in the bracket to make it work but it put the pulley almost in the exact same location. I got the stock size belt to fit but it is tight with none of the adjustment spacers installed. I would have purchased a one inch longer belt had I known. Now I just need to replace the hoses and charge the system.
Attached thumbnail(s)
Posted by: jdamiano Feb 3 2019, 06:29 PM
Oh and another thing I learned. I noticed the bracket connected to the engine was loose when I was taking things apart. I thought the nuts were just loose but it was there were rubber bushings that completely disinagrated. I was able to use some rubber hose to replace them.
Posted by: jdamiano Feb 3 2019, 08:24 PM
Here is the belt I used. It worked but was tight.
Attached thumbnail(s)
Posted by: Superhawk996 Feb 7 2019, 04:19 PM
Lots of good info and ideas on this thread:
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=192917&hl=
Posted by: tmessenger Feb 7 2019, 08:07 PM
Unfortunately, moisture in the air condenses when temperatures drop below the dew point. This means you end up with the wet seat literally, you need an evaporator coil in a box with a drain to carry condensate out of the cars interior.
Tim
A more helpful parts store might have a picture/spec book for compressors that you could look through and find something. Or, you can search for other cars which used that same unit and see if someone else found anything. That compressor is not a 914 specific part, so it was undoubtedly used on other cars. Or there is always the idea of making an adapter plate.
I was just thinking about this today, and had a brainstorm. Run fluid lines inside of the seat upholstery, run a tiny A/C setup that will cool a fluid tank instead of cooling air, then pump the chilly fluid through the seats. I would think that the size of the A/C system would be very small. Maybe even small enough to run an electric compressor...
Posted by: ejmetz May 21 2019, 11:17 AM
Has anyone used the 914 retrofit system from Classic Auto Air? Would love to see a pic of the installation.
https://www.classicautoair.com/shop/1975-porsche-914-4-lhd-air-conditioning-system/
Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com May 21 2019, 12:01 PM
we are about to do two 914 installations in the next two weeks
Has anyone used the 914 retrofit system from Classic Auto Air? Would love to see a pic of the installation.
https://www.classicautoair.com/shop/1975-porsche-914-4-lhd-air-conditioning-system/
Posted by: Literati914 May 21 2019, 04:00 PM
Has anyone used the 914 retrofit system from Classic Auto Air? Would love to see a pic of the installation.
https://www.classicautoair.com/shop/1975-porsche-914-4-lhd-air-conditioning-system/
Don't know if you realized it, but the link (that you added) has TWO pictures and the second one shows it installed in a 914. Hopefully someone else will show us another install, for variety..
For me - I wish all the venting wasn't on the passenger's side.
Posted by: Amphicar770 May 21 2019, 06:30 PM
Numerous existing threads in this topic. Here is one.
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=291183&hl=Compressor
Powered by Invision Power Board (http://www.invisionboard.com)
© Invision Power Services (http://www.invisionpower.com)