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Posted by: J P Stein Nov 27 2008, 04:45 PM
George Vellious was the idea man and produced the 915 shift conversion rear cover and the bulkhead mount for 6 cylinder engines into 914s.
How many here bought them from him? Very few, I'd wager.
Where is the indignation in these cases? Why no lambasting of those who made blatant copies? What'za matter, are ya'll ignorant or just could give a shit less about ole George?
I have nothing against those making these products at present. I know one of these guys personally and the other via the net...before the net actually....good folks.
What is so special about Jake & Lem's case that would cause a selective uproar amongst you guys?
Happy Thanksgiving. 
Posted by: LarryR Nov 27 2008, 04:54 PM
I thought you could not buy Vellious products any more. I would love to buy his 915 shift conversion... But I thought they kind of fell off the map.
Posted by: brer Nov 27 2008, 05:05 PM
I thought you could not buy Vellious products any more. I would love to buy his 915 shift conversion... But I thought they kind of fell off the map.
You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant.
Posted by: stepuptotheMike Nov 27 2008, 05:21 PM
sandbox
Posted by: CliffBraun Nov 27 2008, 05:40 PM
George Vellious was the idea man and produced the 915 shift conversion rear cover and the bulkhead mount for 6 cylinder engines into 914s.
How many here bought them from him? Very few, I'd wager.
Where is the indignation in these cases? Why no lambasting of those who made blatant copies? What'za matter, are ya'll ignorant or just could give a shit less about ole George?
I have nothing against those making these products at present. I know one of these guys personally and the other via the net...before the net actually....good folks.
What is so special about Jake & Lem's case that would cause a selective uproar amongst you guys?
Happy Thanksgiving.
It's more fun to poke Jake; but I'm on the other side of that
.Speaking of thanksgiving, we've got smoked turkey, ribs, stuffing, potatoes, and more about to come off, I'm gonna need to start dieting.
Posted by: J P Stein Nov 27 2008, 05:45 PM
sandbox
This is relevant to 914 history, dude. Why in the rush to get it off the main forum?
Does this offend the Johnny come latelys? It may be ugly but so is life.
Ole George may have fallen off the map and maybe with good reason, but the facts are the same regardless.
Posted by: southernmost914 Nov 27 2008, 06:06 PM
Negative thread 
Steve
Posted by: LarryR Nov 27 2008, 06:25 PM
I thought you could not buy Vellious products any more. I would love to buy his 915 shift conversion... But I thought they kind of fell off the map.
You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant.
Excepting Alice.
However, around about and just a half a mile from which railroad track? B/C I would like one of those 915 tail housings
Posted by: So.Cal.914 Nov 27 2008, 06:52 PM
George Vellious was the idea man and produced the 915 shift conversion rear cover and the bulkhead mount for 6 cylinder engines into 914s.
How many here bought them from him? Very few, I'd wager.
Where is the indignation in these cases? Why no lambasting of those who made blatant copies? What'za matter, are ya'll ignorant or just could give a shit less about ole George?
I have nothing against those making these products at present. I know one of these guys personally and the other via the net...before the net actually....good folks.
What is so special about Jake & Lem's case that would cause a selective uproar amongst you guys?
Happy Thanksgiving.
The squeaky wheel gets the grease and I don't hear George squeaking. Just You. That makes me ignorant?
Posted by: stepuptotheMike Nov 27 2008, 07:14 PM
sandbox
This is relevant to 914 history, dude. Why in the rush to get it off the main forum?
Does this offend the Johnny come latelys? It may be ugly but so is life.
Ole George may have fallen off the map and maybe with good reason, but the facts are the same regardless.
What point does it serve to create another thread just to
?914 history.... please.
Posted by: URY914 Nov 27 2008, 10:21 PM
I hear there is a guy in China fixing outside doorhandles, but there are very few 914s in China so I'm good.
Posted by: JRust Nov 27 2008, 11:21 PM
This is what I hate about the internet & forums. People taking the oportunity to blast someone else without all the facts. Then others going off supposed facts stated by someone who doesn't have the full story to begin with. In some cases as with Jake obviously there is some truth to what happened. Being a part of the comunity I just wish people would show a little more respect of others. I realize people get screwed everyday. Deal with it privately or in a PM. These flame threads do not benefit us as a community. 
In the end things get blown out proportion & people get hurt. 
Let's talk about what we are doing to our cars.
I really love 914's & enjoy coming on to see what everyone is doing. It is a nice relief to come home & spend some time on my hobby. Especially when I haven't been able to work on my car. Helps keep me motivated. So everyone just try to keep things positive. IF YOU CAN"T SAY ANYTHING NICE 
Do what mommy used to tell you when you were a kid. As my mom put it Shut the phuck up
Posted by: r_towle Nov 27 2008, 11:27 PM
Where is George now?
Does he still create parts for these cars?
Rich
Posted by: sww914 Nov 27 2008, 11:43 PM
JP, you're not allowed to say anything bad about Jake. It is blasphemy. He has believers and they are as offended as any Christian, Muslim, Jew, Buddhist, whatever, if you say anything negative about the messiah.
The fact that what you say makes sense is not relevant.
Posted by: r_towle Nov 27 2008, 11:53 PM
I still wanna know about George. Its a serious question...where is he now?
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Posted by: CliffBraun Nov 28 2008, 01:29 AM
Posted by: carr914 Nov 28 2008, 06:33 AM
I'll bite (a little)
1st. Didn't Velios copy the system that was in the 916?
2nd. He didn't fully develop this kit. Many mods had to be done to make it work properly. Therefore creating a need for a better kit that was supplied by others.
3rd. George hasn't been around for years. The guy that took over would never return eMails or calls. That's not what I call customer service.
So why bring this up, it obviously is not a very good point-counterpoint for a discusion vs the Jake-Len thread/situation
T.C.
Posted by: Gustl Nov 28 2008, 07:51 AM
You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant.
is this a forum about (red) VW microbusses
Gustl Posted by: brer Nov 28 2008, 10:34 AM
You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant.
is this a forum about (red) VW microbusses
Gustlson, go sit on that bench over there marked 'group W'
Posted by: ConeDodger Nov 28 2008, 10:45 AM
I'll bite (a little)
1st. Didn't Velios copy the system that was in the 916?
2nd. He didn't fully develop this kit. Many mods had to be done to make it work properly. Therefore creating a need for a better kit that was supplied by others.
3rd. George hasn't been around for years. The guy that took over would never return eMails or calls. That's not what I call customer service.
So why bring this up, it obviously is not a very good point-counterpoint for a discusion vs the Jake-Len thread/situation
T.C.
This is what I heard, and I just confirmed it with someone who has installed a few of his kits. Product was "not quite ready for prime time" and he let the cat out of the bag. Others saw the potential and made the needed improvments. My friend says that on the list of tools needed for install he should have listed "machine shop"...
Posted by: Bleyseng Nov 28 2008, 11:37 AM
I only one I have seen it was a half done kit that you needed to finish of the 916 Porsche conversion.
Jakes heads are complete and ready to go.
Posted by: Sleepin Nov 28 2008, 05:02 PM
Sorry, I have been waiting to use this for some time!
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Posted by: CliffBraun Nov 28 2008, 05:39 PM
Amusing images thread?
Posted by: sbonthemesa Nov 28 2008, 07:12 PM
George V made a marginal product back in the day. I personally met the guy and I felt the need to count my fingers when I got my hand back.
The 915 kit was cludgy, the oil tank would have had to improve to suck and he was a bad business person. He lived/worked in Lawndale and had a crappy machine shop with questionable air cooled valve jobs.
Think, AAmco plastic center consoles or whatever they were called, think crappy Saratoga tops that even though they get big bucks now, sucked then and suck even more now.
914s in the day, attracted the low end schiesters. Today, as crappy as they are, they are "Gurus". Some were classy in the day and still are. Few, but there are some.
George V wasn't one of them. I'm sorry to say he was from the same country my Dad was from.
Posted by: Pat Garvey Nov 28 2008, 07:17 PM
I thought you could not buy Vellious products any more. I would love to buy his 915 shift conversion... But I thought they kind of fell off the map.
You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant.
Cept for Alice!
Posted by: sbonthemesa Nov 28 2008, 07:38 PM
OK.... 
Posted by: ericread Nov 28 2008, 07:51 PM
"Yes, sir, Officer Obie, I cannot tell a lie, I put that envelope
under that garbage."
Posted by: sww914 Nov 28 2008, 09:34 PM
oOOOo
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Posted by: dw914er Nov 29 2008, 11:45 AM
lulz
b backwards
Posted by: McMark Nov 30 2008, 12:53 AM
Posted by: J P Stein Nov 30 2008, 04:34 PM
Oh look, another "borrowed" idea.
Shine, Roberts/Meuller, Tarret, McMark.
Posted by: scotty b Nov 30 2008, 04:48 PM
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Posted by: HAM Inc Dec 1 2008, 10:25 AM
Posted by: Mark Henry Dec 1 2008, 10:28 AM
A troll ate JP long ago
Posted by: So.Cal.914 Dec 1 2008, 10:56 AM
Was it patented? Improving on ideas is what has made this country great. If patented then he is protected and can recover damages. If not...Well, welcome to the real world.
Posted by: 9146986 Dec 1 2008, 12:16 PM
I'd 2nd the opinion that Velios isn't a trusted source, and as a customer you could be doing some of his R & D. I had to threaten legal action to get him to finish a deal.
I get your point JP, but Velios is a clear cut case of marginal delivery from a shady dealer.
There will always be a sector of aftermarket buyers who will forego quality, reliability, ethics, and reputation for price.
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