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Posted by: JOE M Jul 24 2009, 11:43 AM
I think I know the answer but hopefully I am wrong. I was installing new rings and found that 1 piston had a chunk missing from the wall (see pic). Is there any hope for this piston or is it dead.My guess is that it is trash but can I replace a single piston or do I have to replace all 4?
Posted by: underthetire Jul 24 2009, 12:02 PM
I think I know the answer but hopefully I am wrong. I was installing new rings and found that 1 piston had a chunk missing from the wall (see pic). Is there any hope for this piston or is it dead.My guess is that it is trash but can I replace a single piston or do I have to replace all 4?
If one chunk came out, whats to stop more from coming out at 6K RPM. Plus i think you will break a ring. Junk IMO.
Posted by: Jake Raby Jul 24 2009, 12:11 PM
Throw it away...
Posted by: JOE M Jul 24 2009, 12:37 PM
man 1 thing after another. I cant catch a break.But the second part of my question was do I need to buy all new cylinders/pistons or just the 1?Regardless it sucks because im on a huge budget but I want to do what right.
Posted by: jcd914 Jul 24 2009, 01:50 PM
You do not need to replace the complete set of pistons, 1 piston knows nothing of the others. You will need a piston that matches you others though.
It will need to have the correct piston to cylinder clearance, the correct weight to match the rest and a matching dish, valve relief's, pin height and anything else that will affect the compression. You don't see a lot of single pistons for sale so it might be easier to just get a matched set.
Jim
Posted by: JOE M Jul 24 2009, 02:02 PM
You do not need to replace the complete set of pistons, 1 piston knows nothing of the others. You will need a piston that matches you others though.
It will need to have the correct piston to cylinder clearance, the correct weight to match the rest and a matching dish, valve relief's, pin height and anything else that will affect the compression. You don't see a lot of single pistons for sale so it might be easier to just get a matched set.
Jim
I did see complete sets for 1.7 running around $200.It just sucks that I will need to buy a whole set.And on top of that my freaking windshield cracked last week.I started to pull off the molding and when I came home from work there was a crack.This freaking car is killing me but I am on a personal quest to get this thing running.I just dont have a ton of money so thats why I asked if there is anything that can be done for the piston.Deep down I already knew what the answer was but I guess I was hopping that someone would say something like that happens all the time--get a little jpb weld and your in business.LOL WISHFULL THINKING.
Posted by: jcd914 Jul 24 2009, 02:42 PM
Have you measured the piston to cylinder clearance?
Do you know which 1.7 pistons you have?
You could post a WTB ad with the info you have and maybe someone has a piston to match.
I have a set of 1.7 P&C's I'll never use but 3 of the 4 are still on the engine and it is VW 411/412 engine. I have no clue how those P&Cs would compare to a set for a 914.
Of my 3 914s the only one without a cracked windshield is the one without a windshield. 
Jim
Posted by: Mark Henry Jul 24 2009, 02:49 PM
I have two used 1.7 P&C sets (different dish) in OK condition. I may have a couple of singles, but I'd have to check.
Shipping a whole set (from Canada) costs about $70 I think.
Posted by: JOE M Jul 24 2009, 02:51 PM
I have two used 1.7 P&C sets (different dish) in OK condition. I may have a couple of singles, but I'd have to check.
Are you selling them?If so how much-----
Posted by: JOE M Jul 24 2009, 02:57 PM
Have you measured the piston to cylinder clearance?
Do you know which 1.7 pistons you have?
You could post a WTB ad with the info you have and maybe someone has a piston to match.
I have a set of 1.7 P&C's I'll never use but 3 of the 4 are still on the engine and it is VW 411/412 engine. I have no clue how those P&Cs would compare to a set for a 914.
Of my 3 914s the only one without a cracked windshield is the one without a windshield.
Jim
So cracked windshields are common????
I did not measure the distance because they were already shimed.I probably should remeasure and shim if needed.To be honest the only in depth thing I know about this engine is that it a 1.7. It had real low compression when I bought it. So far I bought new carbs and now rings.
Posted by: Mark Henry Jul 24 2009, 03:05 PM
I have two used 1.7 P&C sets (different dish) in OK condition. I may have a couple of singles, but I'd have to check.
Are you selling them?If so how much-----
$20 for my time....actual post charge.
BTW that's slow post, takes about 2weeks,
Just the 4 pistons shipping would be cheaper (or faster).
Post a pic of your tops, I'll see if I have the same, then you might have a couple extra pistons
Posted by: Mark Henry Jul 24 2009, 03:17 PM
Ok I have a set of dish P&C, and just the pistons with a dome top.
I'm sure I had another set, but I don't see it.
Posted by: JOE M Jul 24 2009, 03:18 PM
I have two used 1.7 P&C sets (different dish) in OK condition. I may have a couple of singles, but I'd have to check.
Are you selling them?If so how much-----
$20 for my time....actual post charge.
BTW that's slow post, takes about 2weeks,
Just the 4 pistons shipping would be cheaper (or faster).
Post a pic of your tops, I'll see if I have the same, then you might have a couple extra pistons
I dont know if these pics help but here are a couple.
Posted by: JOE M Jul 24 2009, 03:20 PM
1 more sorry.
Posted by: JOE M Jul 24 2009, 03:48 PM
So is it possible to tell any details about this engine by pics I have posted?
Posted by: tat2dphreak Jul 24 2009, 03:59 PM
the engine number is on top, by the oil filler, that's the only number that matters.
Posted by: JOE M Jul 24 2009, 04:03 PM
w0114127 is the only number on top. Its actually by the back not the oil filler.
Posted by: tat2dphreak Jul 24 2009, 04:08 PM
1.7 engine, early one
66x90mm
Posted by: JOE M Jul 24 2009, 04:10 PM
1.7 engine, early one
66x90mm
Thanks not sure what that means. Any concerns with that.
Posted by: Mark Henry Jul 24 2009, 04:13 PM
The top of your old piston....is it an innie or outie...dome or dish?
Posted by: JOE M Jul 24 2009, 04:30 PM
The top of your old piston....is it an innie or outie...dome or dish?
I guess it`s an innie or dish.
Posted by: Mark Henry Jul 24 2009, 04:38 PM
Looks the same as the full set. PM me if your interested and I'll inspect them better.
Posted by: r_towle Jul 24 2009, 08:15 PM
Joe, I have that piston over here....15 minutes away.
Come dressed in greasy clothes and get it..its yours...
You may have to work for it...but its yours for free.
replacing one piston is fine.
Rich
Posted by: JOE M Jul 24 2009, 08:22 PM
Joe, I have that piston over here....15 minutes away.
Come dressed in greasy clothes and get it..its yours...
You may have to work for it...but its yours for free.
replacing one piston is fine.
Rich
Ill be ove tomorrow,thanks.
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