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Posted by: ynotdd Mar 8 2004, 11:56 AM

were does your club get there autocross rules from ? Prade rules? modified prade? or do they just make them up? my club always used modified prade rules now they went to a totally new set( two weeks before the first autocross)of rules . 2.0 914 in same class as a 89 911 carrera or a 89 930? wish me luck!!
tony

Posted by: ArtechnikA Mar 8 2004, 12:04 PM

they used to use a modified PCA Club Race classification and progression schedule; there is a feeling that that produces too many classes, but i haven't seen any revamped classification schedule either - we have a lot of uncertainty in the AX program until we get venue contracts nailed down.

the Carrera may present a challenge but you'll probably do just fine against at '89 930 - they have good brakes and big tires but they're heavy and very challengine to get around a twisty course. on a big track you'd be toast but it's very, very hard to keep one of those on the boost to make any kind of advantage of its potential power.

Posted by: L8Apex Mar 8 2004, 12:32 PM

Our PCA region uses PCA rules. the SCCA events use SCCA rules. Simple as that. SF region SCCA has some classes for cars that "don't fit in any category" like a "open class"

Posted by: airsix Mar 8 2004, 01:36 PM

My local sports car club (non-marque specific) used to have a really cool rule book. Classes were stock, improved, prepared, modified. Then each of these were divided into A for under 2.5 litre, and B for over 2.5 litre. It was great, and I felt the classing was very fair and easy to live with.

This year they addopted full SCCA rules. As you know, this sucks for 914's and REALLY sucks for 914's with limited modifications. The mods I had planned for this year would have been allowed in my old class, but under the new system they will put me in the "You have no chance" class.

-Ben M.

Posted by: J P Stein Mar 8 2004, 02:54 PM

Our local PCA uses the bottom tier (I think) PCA rules based soley on engine size......runwhatchabrung. Simple, but not too fair in some cases, tho we do break out the ladies into their own classes for awards. With 40-50 cars, it doesen't make much sense to have 20 classes.

Last year (for the first time), they started to pass out trinkets for class winners (anybody need some Porsche crest valve stem caps?....they'd be neat on a Boxster )....then, after the season was over, decided to give trophys for overall-for-the-year class winners.....kinda cool.

Posted by: ArtechnikA Mar 8 2004, 03:01 PM

no, it's not as simple as that, because while there is "A" SCCA SOLO-II rulebook, there is no single PCA rulebook. so when you say "PCA Rules," do you mean the Parade Competition Rules (PCR's), the PCA Club Race classifications, the Zone 7 classifications, the Zone 8 classifications, or just what, exactly ? 'cause all those listed are different, and most indiovidual Regions have their own individual rules.

Zone 7 is blessed with a fairly homogenous classification system, but it's a mistake to assume the whole world is like that.

Posted by: L8Apex Mar 8 2004, 03:52 PM

whatever the one on http://www.pca-ggr.org is. That's what the locals use. I don't see why clubs always have 'regional rules' and stuff like that. It should be standardized for each club and always have that extra "open" class

Posted by: ArtechnikA Mar 8 2004, 04:07 PM

yes, that's the Golden Gate Region ruleset, and it's generally accepted among all of Zone 7.

the reason different Regions have different rules is that National permits it. the guys at the Rules committee are working to standardise that; i expect it'll be a while.

different areas of the country have different venues, different interests, different access to services - or at least that was historically true. but some regions are geographically HUGE. it makes no sense to even consider travelling outside the Region to an event, unless it's Parade, in which case there are different rules anyway.

one reason different regions have different rules is that guys who make the rules like winning, and sometimes don't like having their prestigous 911 Carrera shown up by entry-level Boxsters or - God forbid - 914's... some Regions highly favor originality and The Old Ways, and will tend to favor 356's (still).

i'm on the borderline where i live, and i think i'm on the threshold of making several small, reasonable modifications the cumulative effect of which may put me in a classification where a full cage and fire suit are required. pretty silly for a street-driven car, i think, so there may be some friction egnerated...

Posted by: Matt Meyer Mar 9 2004, 01:44 AM

AirSix

Will you be at RoundTable Wednesday? How about the track on the 28th?

I bought a 914 (#5 last year) this winter. The classification system that was scraped this year was written 35 yrs ago (I was told). It looked pretty perfect for 914s.

I guess I will be running in the novice class this year.