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Posted by: red914 Mar 11 2004, 12:21 AM

well, here it is, another wheel question: will Riverias with 195 tires fit under the stock fenders of a 1972 1.7? The last time I asked about wheels Kevin in Tacoma wired me some sound information about the issues at hand; backspacing, etc. I am still trying to do something with the small crack in one of the Fuchs. Either a new Fuchs (providing I can find one), or some Riverias with 195s that are available. Any advice?

Posted by: nebreitling Mar 11 2004, 12:43 AM

i've got 195/50's on riviera's that fit fine. PO had 205/50's with rolled fender lip. i keep saying i'm gonna toss them , but haven't gone through with it yet. in due time. but yeah, they should fit -- you may have to roll the rear fender lip a bit if the offset is akward.

nathan

Posted by: red914 Mar 11 2004, 09:52 AM

hmmm. i would rather not 'roll' the rear fender lip. your 50s probably fit more than a higher profile tire, i imagine. if cost were not a big deal, i would try to buy a fuchs online and pay the huge shipping fee. what to do, what to do...

Posted by: Bleyseng Mar 11 2004, 10:04 AM

Call or email Brad Roberts at HighperformanceHouse for a Fuch rim. He and Rich Bontempi should have a single laying around.
Forget emailing, call them.

Geoff

Posted by: SLITS Mar 11 2004, 10:05 AM

They will fit if the Riveys have the 914 offset. If they have the VW offset, toss a coin.

Have you taken the Fuch to a machine shop that can not only heliarc, but turn the weld back smooth? Or better yet, where is it cracked?

Posted by: nebreitling Mar 11 2004, 10:06 AM

find a fuch on ebay. make sure it's the real thing. you'll spend what, $100? it's worth it.

Posted by: AZ914 Mar 11 2004, 10:30 AM

Careful with the Riv's. As said before, there are multiple offsets. I had a set of Riv's which I believe were VW offset. There was NO WAY I could fit anything more than a 165 on the back. If you know you have the 914 offset, 195's should fit.

Posted by: red914 Mar 11 2004, 09:39 PM

how can one tell which offset applies to the wheels in question? any markings to look for?

Posted by: Dave_Darling Mar 11 2004, 11:26 PM

Flip it over so the "face" of the wheel is down. Put a straightedge of some kind across the back of the rim. Measure down from that to the pad where the wheel meets the hub.

A wheel that fits 205s on a 914 under stock fenders will have at least 4 1/2" of backspacing, which is the above measurement. You might be able to fit 195s with just at or just over 4".

--DD

Posted by: red914 Mar 12 2004, 12:23 AM

thanks for the scoop; definitely some useful info. if i can't find a Fuchs, now i have a better idea of what to look for. once again, i ask a question, and get solid information. thanks to everyone.

Posted by: DNHunt Mar 12 2004, 08:20 AM

Before I learned better, I had Les Scwhab order some EMPI 8 spokes. They got VW offsets. I had my 195 X 60 15's mounted on them. I didn't make it out of the parking lot. They took it back in a bay and used a pry bar on the fender while I was inside complaining to the sales people. I came out and they said it was just fine. Sure enough it didn't rub but I got the marks on the fender to show for it. I tried complaining again, but got nowhere.

The really tough part is the manager is a patient of mine and has been a really nice guy. When I told him my side of the story, he couldn't believe his guys would do that. He basically inferred I had done the damage.

The screwed up laws make it impossible for me to dump him as a patient without cause (getting screwed by him is not cause) and I still have to treat him to the best of my ability. Can't say I haven't thought of giving him less than adequate anesthetic but I've never hurt anyone on purpose YET.

Watch the offset.

Dave

Posted by: itsa914 Mar 12 2004, 08:28 AM

If HPH doesn't have one try Brad Mayeur (914
limited) I just received a good Fuch rim from him
to mount my spare on. The rim does have curb
rash but for a spare it is fine. Paid $62 rim & shipping
great guy give him a call at 309-694-1797.

- Garold

PS 309 area code is East Peoria IL

Posted by: rhodyguy Mar 12 2004, 08:29 AM

dave, if he was my patient, i would be the dentist from the dustin hoffman movie. forget the name, it's early. "is it safe?" would be "you think it's my fault?".

kevin

Posted by: red914 Mar 12 2004, 08:51 AM

i believe the movie is "the boys from brazil."

another good resource been added tomy growing list. more thanks. i hope to get this taken care of soon.

too bad, the news about les schwab; i have never heard anything negative before. first time for everything...

Posted by: Howard Mar 12 2004, 08:55 AM

'Marathon Man'

Still makes my teeth hurt!

Posted by: red914 Mar 12 2004, 09:51 AM

i stand corrected. it is 'marathon man.'

i have found that, if one doesn't go to the dentist, then the dentist can't find anything wrong.

Posted by: Joe.D Mar 12 2004, 08:54 PM

I have 205/60s on Rivieras on a '74 - with no problems except they can rub on the inside of the front tires on full-lock turns. Clearance at the rear fenders is maybe 1/4 inch. So they must be "914" offset, but I haven't measured them as DD described.

The same car used to have 205/50s which did not appear to rub either, but I only drove maybe 10 miles on them - they were just too small in diameter to be on a daily driver IMHO.

Joe