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Posted by: Maltese Falcon Oct 2 2009, 11:53 PM
I was just going thru my "Excellence" magazine (Nov. 2009), and noticed this rare 1976 Oak green metallic 930 Press-Car. It was one of 4 to come over to the U.S. from Porsche to be used by the motoring press. According to the article, this 930 was stationed here on the west coast and driven by all of the motoring mags.
A friend of mine Jay Amestoy, then editor of "VW greats" asked me to bring my 2.0 turbo over to Irwindale Raceway, then a real 1,320' track. The testing was part of the "Turbomania" article he wrote about my 914 2.0 turbo.
When they lined me up against this 930 (same oak green metallic car), I asked if they were KIDDING.
I ran him several times and smoked him ! Jay said that this 930 had been so badly beaten up by the press, that it had a malfunctioning wastegate. So I was running against a 6.5:1 cr 6 cyl with NO boost...great advantage ! My et's were in the mid 15's with hard launches and 7 psi boost. The 930 was running about high 16's.
Check out the hole shot I got on him in the b/w pic. Good piece of history for the new owner of this green turbo 
Marty
Posted by: davesprinkle Oct 2 2009, 11:54 PM
Yeah, except you forgot that you can't turbo a 914.
Posted by: ghuff Oct 2 2009, 11:58 PM
I would like to see what that 2.0 could od with something like a 3071R, modern fuel injection and E85.
Posted by: seanery Oct 3 2009, 03:51 AM
Pretty Cool Marty!!!
Posted by: rick 918-S Oct 3 2009, 07:51 AM
Woo Hoo! 
Great piece of history! 
Posted by: Drums66 Oct 3 2009, 01:38 PM
Yes.....I like the looks of that one also! 
Posted by: GS Guy Oct 3 2009, 01:55 PM
Very cool Marty!
So was that an early version of the current car? If so - it sure has come a long way!
Sure wish you could get back-issues of the old VW Greats magazine, it was one of my favorites of all time.
Jeff
Posted by: Maltese Falcon Oct 3 2009, 02:46 PM
Very cool Marty!
So was that an early version of the current car? If so - it sure has come a long way!
Sure wish you could get back-issues of the old VW Greats magazine, it was one of my favorites of all time.
Jeff
Yes Jeff , same car and some ions of morphs later
This is another of the MSDS installations on a '75 2.0, me (L) and Blu ( R). It must have been hot that day. Hey Orville Kyle if you're out there give me a call !
Marty
Posted by: r_towle Oct 3 2009, 04:36 PM
Sandals in a shop....only in CA...
Rich
Posted by: Eric_Shea Oct 3 2009, 06:58 PM
And if he got close you could always swerve over and take out his tires with your "wheel-scythes"... (old Ben-Hur trick)
Posted by: dlestep Oct 4 2009, 05:30 PM
And if he got close you could always swerve over and take out his tires with your "wheel-scythes"... (old Ben-Hur trick)
and a James Bond move as well...
Posted by: ghuff Oct 4 2009, 06:11 PM
What kind of turbo was that? turbine/compressor size * a/r ?
Posted by: Maltese Falcon Oct 4 2009, 10:02 PM
What kind of turbo was that? turbine/compressor size * a/r ?
These were Rajay with a .40 a/r , I think the FB flow series.
Rajay can be cross-referrenced to a comparable newer tech turbo. Turbonetics bought out the rajay product line.
Marty
Posted by: Maltese Falcon Oct 4 2009, 10:11 PM
Here's another pic from Irwindale, taken at the end of the track in the Sand Pit.
The caption reads "No match" , but the 2.0 served the 930 that day
Marty
Posted by: ghuff Oct 5 2009, 03:17 PM
Here's another pic from Irwindale, taken at the end of the track in the Sand Pit.
The caption reads "No match" , but the 2.0 served the 930 that day
Marty
I smell marketing there.
http://www.dragtimes.com/Porsche--930-Drag-Racing.html
Those times do not add up either..........
What does a stock 930 do in the 1/4?
Posted by: Maltese Falcon Oct 5 2009, 08:51 PM
To The Top:
So I was running against a 6.5:1 cr 6 cyl with NO boost...great advantage ! My et's were in the mid 15's with hard launches and 7 psi boost. The 930 was running about high 16's.
Check out the hole shot I got on him in the b/w pic. Good piece of history for the new owner of this green turbo
Marty
A turbo (any turbo) that has a malfunctioning wastegate, like this paricular 930 (valve stuck open), will be like running with a gaping 1" hole in the exhaust system ahead of the turbine inlet. In other words NO boost, and totally relying on a 6.5:1 compression ratio (n/a engine) to make horsepower. The 3,000+ lb. turbo couldn't launch or catch the 914 that day.
Posted by: Maltese Falcon Oct 5 2009, 09:20 PM
I couldn't find any factory 1/4 mile stats, but the factory 0 to 60 (in km)
specs for the 1976 930 are shown here. The 3.0 930 turbo, non-intercooled should run in the 13.5 to 13.7 et bracket. The '78-up 3.3 intercooled should run in the 12.9 to 13.3 bracket. The 930's in the Dragtimes arena are proll'y not running anywhere near stock boost, stock Ring and pinions, etc., indicated by the et's/mph posted.
Marty
Posted by: ghuff Oct 5 2009, 09:27 PM
I couldn't find any factory 1/4 mile stats, but the factory 0 to 60 (in km)
specs for the 1976 930 are shown here. The 3.0 930 turbo, non-intercooled should run in the 13.5 to 13.7 et bracket. The '78-up 3.3 intercooled should run in the 12.9 to 13.3 bracket. The 930's in the Dragtimes arena are proll'y not running anywhere near stock boost, stock Ring and pinions, etc., indicated by the et's/mph posted.
Marty
That is what I thought and they have a lot of trap as well for their times, which leads me to believe they can't hook.
Drag racing is ruled by solid axle cars with full frames for a reason.
Posted by: Maltese Falcon May 24 2014, 03:30 PM
I was just going thru my "Excellence" magazine (Nov. 2009), and noticed this rare 1976 Oak green metallic 930 Press-Car.
Update...
This was 1976 930 #0014, restored and currently residing in the U.S.
The next car, 930 # 0015 is also here in the U.S. and owned by Magnus Walker. I've heard that Magnus' 930 was the first dealer car sold in the U.S.
Marty...still wearing Huaraches sandles
Posted by: relentless May 24 2014, 03:51 PM
Thanks for the stroll down memory lane Marty. I still remember reading about your MSDS car and turbo system back in the day. 
Posted by: KELTY360 May 24 2014, 04:25 PM
You've got some interesting archives Marty. 1st person history is always compelling. Thanks for sharing.
Posted by: Maltese Falcon May 24 2014, 08:21 PM
The 2.0 also made 149 rwhp , I wonder what % is lost through the drivetrain on our trsansaxle cars 
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Posted by: r_towle May 24 2014, 08:58 PM
Nice story.....wonder how many burn marks you have on yours feet?
And....if this is such a great setup, why the hell don't you make it again....
Posted by: Mike Bellis May 24 2014, 10:15 PM
The 2.0 also made 149 rwhp , I wonder what % is lost through the drivetrain on our trsansaxle cars
?Most "Experts" say 15% driveline loss. That would add another 22.35hp at the crank.
When I dyno'd my car is was on a 4 wheel dyno. The rear wheels turning made the front wheels spin. I would think this type of dyno would be 20%-25% loss.
Posted by: iamchappy May 24 2014, 10:49 PM
I would like to see a new shootout with your twin turbo monster and a new 911 turbo s.
Posted by: Maltese Falcon May 25 2014, 01:06 AM
Nice story.....wonder how many burn marks you have on yours feet?
And....if this is such a great setup, why the hell don't you make it again....
The bolt-on type4 turbo kits were sold 1976-1996. Average kit price was $1,200.00 with a few options. When sales interest dropped off, we mothballed the product...leaving MSDS to go on with its line of exhaust mfg.
Today with the intetest of 914 type4's on the rise, we could return to the market.
No worries with the zapatos, these are steel toe sandals
Marty
Posted by: Maltese Falcon May 25 2014, 01:44 AM
I would like to see a new shootout with your twin turbo monster and a new 911 turbo s.
Chap which MSDS twin turbo, the black one or 9148 gtt in progress?
I'll be kind and spot them a few car lengths !
Posted by: Justinp71 May 25 2014, 11:19 AM
I'd think with 930 power in a 911 you'd really be cautious as to when you can get on it, give too much gas in a corner and you'll spin out before you know it... I bet that 914 would really school it on a road track.
I raced a stockish 80 911sc on slicks at thunderhill against my 914 with a 81 3.0 on webers. It was no contest, we came out of turn 15 and I blew his doors off like he wasn't moving... shows how much weight and balance plays into the role (I was going faster than him in turn 15).
Posted by: iamchappy May 26 2014, 09:25 PM
I would like to see a new shootout with your twin turbo monster and a new 911 turbo s.
Chap which MSDS twin turbo, the black one or 9148 gtt in progress?
I'll be kind and spot them a few car lengths !
I guess you will have to do a run off between both.. get that 9148 gtt done so we can see which is the biggest 914 monster of all time....
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