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Posted by: Bobby Smith Dec 30 2010, 04:20 PM

1973 914/4 2008 Charlotte Parade FTD Winner! 2.8 ltr. by Fat Performance. 1,650 lbs.
Well over 100 FTD’s and countless class wins. Featured in Excellence June 2009 issue and Panorama Sept 2008. Proven reliability and performance. Owned for 28 years.
Bobby Smith Virginia Beach VA 757 463-7294 porsche911dude@aol.com

Posted by: Bobby Smith Dec 30 2010, 04:27 PM

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Posted by: Bobby Smith Dec 30 2010, 04:31 PM

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Posted by: jamesjedi Dec 30 2010, 08:28 PM

One of the best, if not the best article in Excellence I have ever read. Best of luck in the sale. BUMP.

Posted by: ottox914 Dec 30 2010, 08:36 PM

Why?

This seems almost like being married to the woman of your dreams, getting along for 20 yrs, and selling her off to the Russian mafia.

What could you come up with that could possibly be cooler, better, or more deadly at its chosen activity?

Posted by: Bobby Smith Jan 3 2011, 04:59 PM

David, Very nicely put! After reading your comment, I had to ask myself the same question. It's just that I've done everything with the car that can be done. I truly love the car and it would tear me up to sell it but I do not seeing myself running it in the near future. I like a challenge and I've started another project. It's a street legal/auto-x combo 914 with a 3.2. It's not nearly as fast as the one posted here. If it sells.....OK. If not....still OK! I'm sure I would regret selling it in time. We'll see what happens.

Posted by: Bobby Smith Jan 16 2011, 10:37 AM

Lots of inquiries ... NO $$$$ yet!


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Posted by: Bobby Smith Feb 3 2011, 12:35 PM

Bump for the fastest 914 in the country.

Posted by: J P Stein Feb 5 2011, 10:57 PM

I'd beg to differ on that.

Posted by: Bobby Smith Feb 6 2011, 12:04 PM

Bring it on!
JP I thought you sold that rag-a-muffin!

Posted by: J P Stein Feb 13 2011, 09:50 AM

Heh, heh, yes I did and when all was said & done, got more for it & all the "stuff"
than I was asking....and more than you offered. Selling "stuff" in chunks worked out well but I could have done better parting it out. The buyer sold the motor alone for 8K
then all the 914 6 conversion "stuff" for a bunch more. This nearly covered the price for an infusion of Subi HP (about 70hp & 70 ftlbs ....stock motor numbers).

In case you missed it:
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=113579

Of course he can no longer run in the Parade....but he has bigger fish to fry.

Good luck with your sale. So, now whatcha' gonna do?

Posted by: Bobby Smith Feb 16 2011, 04:40 PM

Wow, that's quite a conversion. Running in XP or EM?

My 2.8 E/M car listed here is done and it's still the faster auto-x car in the world and I love the car but last year I started looking for a different kind of challenge. I wanted a street legal lethal auto-x car so I've been running a 3.2 conversion car. Greg Fordhal built this beast a while back. It's quite strong. Obviously not as fast as the E/M car but I can drive it to the events. Glad your sale worked out so well for you.


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Posted by: PeeGreen 914 Feb 16 2011, 05:35 PM

I remember when Greg built that car. It was WAY too much car for the guy who had it built.

Sweet car

Posted by: J P Stein Feb 19 2011, 12:03 PM

Brit put in a 2.0L ( 2.0x1.4=2.8) to get into XP with only a minimal weight gain requirement....bout 22 lbs.

Posted by: Bobby Smith Feb 23 2011, 07:04 PM

Not Too much for me!

I'm getting ready to fit 8 and 9x15's with 225 and 275 Hoosier A-6's.

Meanwhile bump for my 2.8 beast!

Posted by: PeeGreen 914 Feb 23 2011, 07:14 PM

Yeah, it wouldn't be for a real driver but the guy who had it built wasn't a driver.

Good luck on the sale. Car looks like a lot of fun.

Posted by: Bobby Smith Mar 7 2011, 05:18 PM

FTD is calling your name and I have the car.

Posted by: Bobby Smith Mar 21 2011, 05:45 PM

Bump

Posted by: pktzygt Mar 21 2011, 06:33 PM

The car that inspired my 914 addiction. I spoke to you at an autocross (possibly ACU4) and ended up selling my WRX and buying a 914.

Good luck with your sale. This is really an amazingly fast car!

Posted by: Bobby Smith Apr 15 2011, 02:34 PM

Auto-x season is upon us. Are you ready for your FTD? I've got the weapon!

Posted by: sixaddict Apr 16 2011, 07:13 AM

Bobby
Think I know problem with your sale....its a lose - lose deal...

If you win you were suppose to and if you don't youre an inferior wheel man !
Like your new wheels....I remember that being listed .......Michigan if I recall correctly .
TOT

Posted by: Bobby Smith Apr 21 2011, 01:15 PM

Well, there may be some truth to that line of thinking. However, this 914 is so fast
that someone could drive it a 8/10ths and still whoop everyone. I regularly put 3-4 secs on EVERYONE.
Yes, I bought the six from a guy in Michigan. He bought it from the fellow that had Greg F. build it. I've got receipts that total over $70K for the build.

Posted by: Bobby Smith May 5 2011, 03:47 PM

Still available!

Posted by: Bobby Smith May 25 2011, 03:46 PM

Porsche Parade in Savannah coming up soon. You still have time to buy this car
take FTD.

Posted by: Bobby Smith May 31 2011, 02:29 PM

Fast Fast

Posted by: Bobby Smith Jun 18 2011, 12:52 PM

I'm willing to entertain serious offers.

Posted by: Bobby Smith Jun 25 2011, 03:58 PM

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Posted by: Bobby Smith Jul 21 2011, 11:02 AM

Just fired this Baby off today. It's running strong. Still available.

Posted by: rhodyguy Aug 3 2011, 01:42 PM

i don't know what you paid for the blue car but the guy that had it built spent a hefty sum of money.

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Posted by: Bobby Smith Aug 3 2011, 05:37 PM

Yes he did. Receipts show $60,000 spent at Fordahl Motorsports which did NOT include the price of the "donor car". The donor was very nice to start with. He then sold it to the guy I bought it from. That gentleman spent another $10,000 in 915 box with all of the Wevo tricks and L/S among other things. Needless to say, it's a killer car and very well built.


Meanwhile, I just can't figure out why my Black Beast has not sold. It's blindingly fast and I feel the lowered price is fair? Offers?

Posted by: BajaXJ92 Aug 4 2011, 06:56 AM

Bobby,

I figured you were on this forum, but never took the time to look. I never even knew you owned this car as I didn't see it at your house last time.

I picked up a '71 recently, not sure if you've seen me around town.




Its my daily driver since I sold that Land Rover. Wouldn't mind grabbin a beer soon and picking your brain about the plans/ideas I've got for the car.

Planning on making it to this event on the 27th if you're game for a 914 caravan: http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=134816

-Adam

Posted by: Bobby Smith Aug 6 2011, 12:09 PM

Adam,
Give me a call and come on by anytime. Your Dad has my #. The 914/6 was probably in my other garage when you guys stopped by.

Posted by: Bobby Smith Oct 31 2011, 02:31 PM

I took my car off the market for a while but have decided to re-post it.
Thanks for looking. Most info on page 1 of this thread.

Posted by: Bobby Smith Dec 4 2011, 04:36 PM

Bump

Posted by: Bobby Smith Dec 23 2011, 06:40 PM

Santa has requested the worlds fastest auto-x for Christmas Eve. This 914 will be available again Dec. 26th. Merry Christmas!

Posted by: TJB/914 Dec 23 2011, 08:00 PM

Bobby Smith,

Your 914 is beautiful, fast, reasonably priced & a magazine featured car. That being said, I can't figure out why it didn't sell.

Hope you don't mind me asking our 914-World experts, WHY????
I can only think of a few reasons.
#1 Small market for a fully sorted race car??
#2 Maybe, more buyers if it had a stock front windshield??
#3 914-World buyers are cheap??
#4 Advertise in Pano, Hemmings, or consignment with high end broker.
#5 ??

Merry Christmas & keep the faith it's a beautiful 914.

Tom (a street guy only)

Posted by: Bobby Smith Dec 24 2011, 11:34 AM

Tom, interesting observation. I think that cars like mine have a limited market. Everyone loves a 914 that has stretched the boundaries like mine but few have the ambition to get behind the wheel and exploit those boundaries. It's a hard core enthusiast car to say the least. If it does not sell, I'm considering mounting a new set of slicks and slaying a few dragons in 2012.

Posted by: RobW Dec 24 2011, 06:23 PM

Imho it's a lousy time to sell a race car. Ive got a nice competitive /6 id sell for 12k but what's the point? You can't build it for that. Nice car bad market... Wait it out.

Posted by: Bobby Smith Jan 10 2012, 04:20 PM

Autocross season is right around the corner. Are YOU ready? I've got your FTD weapon.

Posted by: Bobby Smith Jan 31 2012, 04:17 PM

Bump bump

Posted by: J P Stein Feb 18 2012, 10:19 AM

Hay, Bobby.
You can claim "worlds fastest 914" as you are on the left coast.
Were you to come to the right the issue would be in doubt.

The price issue is an other item. When I was selling the shitbox I was not confident of selling it for my asking price. I sat down with a pad & pencil and parted it out
using my knowledge of the Porsche & 914 market for parts. I came up to over the asking price ($22K for the whole works) *just for the parts of the car* and still had the chassis (figuratively) still settin' there.....not to mention the truck, trailer and (as it turned out) about $4K of
tools & miscellaneous bits.

As it turned out Brit bought the car, trailer & extra wheels/tires only ($20K). He parted out about 80% (WAG) of the removable bits while doing his version of an AX car. HE MADE MONEY.
My estimates were low. He got $8k for the motor that I was figuring at $6k (bout what I had into it).

The point here is while the prices for race cars is pretty well shot, the used parts biddness is still going whole hog......plus you needed a bump.

Posted by: mepstein Feb 18 2012, 10:43 AM

On the other hand, Bobby is selling a turn key racing package. I don't know race cars but I am familiar with sales. As soon as you remove the motor, you change it from a known product to something else. Brit sold parts from a six (I know, I bought some of them) and that engine could go into a 911 or 914. I don't think a 911 guy will buy Bobby's four. Bobby is also dealing with an east coast winter. Not as bad this year as most but most east coasters hibernate this time of the year. Its always a bad time of the year to sell most any outdoor sport item except snow sports. I thought about buying his car but I really won't have weekends to myself until both my kids are away at school. I REALLY like that car!

Posted by: J P Stein Feb 19 2012, 07:18 AM

Winter time is build time. Mine spent most of it's winters on blocks. I wasn't comparimg the 2 cars, (tho mine was a turnkey set up also) just the situation.

Enjoy those parts in good health.

Posted by: Bobby Smith Feb 19 2012, 11:29 AM

"On the other hand, Bobby is selling a turn key racing package"

Yes, turn key package with HISTORY and PROVENANCE. Also a "magazine car" in Excellence June 09 issue. I've owned this car nearly 30 years. At this time there are only 56 cars that have ever taken FTD at a Porsche Parade. 1956-2011. This IS one of those cars. Some were repeat winners so actually less than 56. As far as World's Fastest 914 autocross car...well in July 2008 at Charlotte Motor Speedway I had that. This car shares history with cars driven by Alan Johnson, Bruce Jennings, Ron Mistak, Gary Walton, Greg Fordahl etc. etc. Like Dizzy Dean said, "It's not braggin if you done it".
NO WAY this car will be parted out. It's winner, a beast, it's my friend and a terror to all that have come up against it in vain. Who knows why it has not sold but something inside me is happy about that. It's in storage now (I start it regularly) and it's kinda like having a loaded gun in the dresser draw. Always ready to slay. It would be a sad day for me if someone buys it. I have actually considered bring it out of retirement but I am enjoying the new challenge of autocrossing my 914/6 3.2 at this time.
Well.... my hand is getting tired from patting myself on the back so I'll close with some photos of PCA's perpetual award for Fastest Time. Take note of some of the names. THIS is HISTORY my friends.


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Posted by: Bobby Smith Mar 4 2012, 02:18 PM

Early Spring bump

Posted by: Bobby Smith Mar 18 2012, 07:07 PM

Bump

Posted by: hanwai Mar 28 2012, 07:12 AM

Sent email

Posted by: Bobby Smith Mar 28 2012, 04:13 PM

e-mail answered. Let me know if you have any questions about the car.
Thanks

Posted by: Bobby Smith Apr 10 2012, 04:51 PM

I thought she was sold but back on the market.

Posted by: Bobby Smith Apr 16 2012, 11:41 AM

Having a weak moment.

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Posted by: Bobby Smith May 15 2012, 02:47 PM

BUMP TO DA TOP

Posted by: Bobby Smith May 23 2012, 12:43 PM

Bump. This is a steal.

Posted by: Bobby Smith Jul 23 2012, 10:31 AM

Happy to report that my 914 is no longer for sale and I am so glad that no one bought it. I have recently taken it out of storage done the routine maintenance required and she will be running again this weekend. Thanks to all that inquired.

Posted by: ottox914 Jul 23 2012, 01:23 PM

So it took 12,900 for you to come to your senses...

You and that car are connected on a cellular level. If you don't need the cash, and its not costing you (much) to keep it- you (finally) made the right call.

CONGRATS!!!

Now go forth to the forest of cones and wreak havoc on the tail draggers and water pumpers!




(if I had a job and a spare 12,900 it'd be in MY garage...)

Posted by: speed metal army Jul 25 2012, 11:45 PM

Yup!If I had a spare 15000 or so it would be up here.One of the coolest/quickest!
Im glad you are keeping the car.

Posted by: RobW Jul 26 2012, 12:30 AM

I was about to buy it.

Just kidding! I just sold my race car too. I will regret it someday. Keep it and enjoy it if you can.

Posted by: Bobby Smith Jul 29 2012, 04:16 AM

Heading to Richmond VA this am to run her for the first time in almost 2 years. I'll let everyone how it goes. I've made quite a few changes in the past few weeks so it should be interesting.

Posted by: Bobby Smith Jul 30 2012, 08:14 AM

After being in storage for nearly 2 years, "Black Magic" took FTD against 107 entrants in Richmond VA yesterday. My dog Duke congratulates me. It was a good day and I'm so glad I didn't sell my Baby. She a beast.


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Posted by: RobW Jul 30 2012, 09:30 AM

Seems like you still have it for a reason! Congrats!

Posted by: wndsrfr Jul 31 2012, 11:16 AM

Bobby,, do you track it? Your car would be a hoot at the FSR DE on the south course at VIR in September. I'm taking mine to a Rezoom DE at Barber Aug 18 & 19...first time there for me...

Posted by: Bobby Smith Aug 6 2012, 11:32 AM

2nd FTD in a row yesterday since bringing her out of retirement. We're on a roll.

Posted by: speed metal army Aug 6 2012, 10:17 PM

I love this car.Nice work Bobby!

Posted by: ottox914 Aug 7 2012, 07:56 AM

Since the car was an un-registered weapon before, what are the "quite a few changes" if you don't mind sharing... I know I'm interested to see how the car is evolving now that its back on your radar and back on track.

Posted by: Bobby Smith Aug 7 2012, 04:39 PM

I took the engine/tranny out and pulled the heads just to freshen things up. The engine only had about 8 hours on it and the heads looked good. Replaced all fuel lines, put on a hi torque starter, new battery and tires (this time running radial slicks).
Also replaced master cyl and bled brakes. Tried stiffer rear springs and a different shock setting (going back to old springs and shocks next time). I'm very happy with the car.

Posted by: BajaXJ92 Aug 7 2012, 09:53 PM

Jeez Bobby, you're doing all of this work and you don't give me a call to come assist/supervise?

Lets drink a beer soon!

Posted by: Randal Aug 8 2012, 08:27 AM

Do you know the HP to the rear wheels? Probably about 245-250hp at the crank, right? Thanks!

Posted by: Bobby Smith Aug 8 2012, 08:32 PM

HP at crank is 194 but the torque curve is as flat as the state of Texas. 200 Ft Lbs at 3,000 rpm and 215 at 4,000. Pulls like a freight train.

Posted by: Randal Aug 9 2012, 09:30 AM

215 ft lbs of torque at the crank. VERY NICE.

It would make a good hill climb car, with a bit more cage!

Posted by: Bobby Smith Aug 20 2012, 05:38 PM

Took 3rd FTD in row yesterday. I know the F/S area is not the place for me to brag but after having this car for sale here for such a long time, it sure is FUN bragging about how fast it is and how someone missed a great deal. Whew...I'm sure glad no one bought her.

Posted by: speed metal army Aug 21 2012, 10:43 PM

Kickass!°

Posted by: Bobby Smith Aug 27 2012, 02:01 PM

Alright...I'll try to make this my last post about how fast this car is but took 4th FTD in a row yesterday in Richmond VA at RIR. She is a beast. Will probably switch back to 914/6 for the next few events for a little variety.

Posted by: Bobby Smith Apr 2 2013, 04:11 PM

Car is no longer for sale but since this thread is already established, I thought I'd post setup for 2013 season with new Avon slicks. Cheers


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Posted by: sixaddict Apr 2 2013, 07:47 PM

Bobby
Where did you buy the Avons
Understand they are like glue!
TOT

Posted by: Bobby Smith Apr 2 2013, 07:57 PM

Have not run them yet but register very soft on durometer. Got them from Sasco in Danville VA. Shipped from England and take a long time to arrive. I ordered early in Jan. Pricy too, I hope to try them this Sunday.

Posted by: ottox914 Apr 2 2013, 09:10 PM

This car is everything an autox 914 should be.

A dream of mine and nightmare to others.

Congrats, you are a lucky man to have such a weapon.

Enjoy.

Posted by: URY914 Apr 3 2013, 07:54 AM

Your rules say your tires can extend past the fenders?

Posted by: Bobby Smith Apr 3 2013, 09:11 AM

Yes, I usually run SCCA auto-x and local clubs that use SCCA rules. In E/M 1/2 of the tire must be covered when viewed from above.

Posted by: Bobby Smith Dec 7 2015, 11:07 AM

Here we go again. I had her for sale a few years ago. I'm having a weak moment and want to "test the waters" for a potential buyer. Looking at $15K. If interested, read the post here and read the specs. below.
73 914/4 2.8 liter.
FTD Winner 2008 Porsche Parade Charlotte NC

Engine built by FAT Performance with the absolute best components that money can buy.
Cost $10,445
Broken in on Dyno
Dyno sheet: 194 HP at 6,000 RPM and 215 ft lbs Torque from 3,500-5,000. (*note: has 200 ft lbs at 3,000*)
Specs:
2755cc
Okrasa billet crank
Carillo Rods
J&E pistons and cyls.
44 IDF dual webers
10:1 C/R
Header system with Supertrapp and open setup
No oil leaks
MSD ignition system with soft touch rev limit/Autometer tach
Lightweight flywheel with Hi performance Kenedy clutch pack
Twin oil coolers and thermostat
Deep sump oil trap
High Torque starter
Heads are fresh

Trans: Original 914 transmission with Renegade 914 axle/CV joint upgrade (good for 500 HP)
Custom Transmission with airport gears available as option (will discuss price)

Suspension:
Adj Sport Koni's all 4 corners
Rear Adj spring coil overs with 175 lbs Hypercoils/Recently have been using JRZ rear shocks and Eibach springs
Front 22mm torsion bars
Addco anti-sway bars with delrin bushings
Turbo Tie rod ends
Rack spacers
Performance 4 wheel alignment

Fiber glass Hood, trunk, bumpers, flairs
Weighs 1650 lbs wet
Spun Aluminum fuel tank
New 19mm Master Cyl.
BMW front calipers
Front 914 calipers mounted on rear
stock rotors
Proportioning valve
Lightweight Centerline Racing wheels 10x15 with Hoosier slicks
Auto Power bolt in roll hoop with cross brace
Simpson 5 point belt system
Custom made tonnau cover for transporting in inclement weather
Battery disconnect switch
Battery located in passenger floor
19mm Master Cyl

I have owned this 914 since 1982. I am sure there is more that I have forgotten. She's well sorted and ready to take you to your first FTD.

Please feel free to contact me with any questions and I would be happy to provide technical assistance after the sale if needed. This is my Baby and she has brought much joy over the years.
Bobby Smith
757 463-7294
First Settlers Region/Porsche Club of America
VA Beach VA


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