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Posted by: FastFebut Nov 6 2012, 07:36 PM

Just putting the word out there...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Porsche-914-914-2-0L-1973-Porsche-914-2-0L-ALL-ORIGINAL-/321017899230?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item4abe2868de#ht_839wt_1167

Posted by: 87m491 Nov 6 2012, 07:57 PM

Not shooting the messenger, but only 3X+ what an original owner 73 sold for on a fellow 914 site this summer!

Posted by: tavoman27 Nov 6 2012, 08:18 PM

the car is awesome but the price is about 10k, the asking price is original 914-6 territory or really nice 6 conversions

Posted by: dpires914 Nov 6 2012, 09:10 PM

Nice car. But if that goes for 25k, does that mean an original 914-6 is worth 100k?

Posted by: Garold Shaffer Nov 6 2012, 09:16 PM

Sorry but I think there is nothing wrong with the asking price. Try and restore 914 back to "original" for under 20K. If it is truly documented from day one with all service history, no rust, and only needs the center console repaired It is well with in the $20K range in my book.

I would rather see our cars go up in value and excellent examples should demand and get top prices. It was just a few years ago that you could get a very original /6 for $12k - $15K range, now well north of $20K or more.

I wish the seller the best of luck and I hope they get their asking price.

Posted by: 9146986 Nov 6 2012, 09:17 PM

Hope it brings that kind of money

Posted by: boxstr Nov 6 2012, 10:19 PM

Doesnt this belong in the EBAY 914 sales?

Posted by: FastFebut Nov 6 2012, 10:32 PM

Thank You. My family and I only want this to go to a good home and not a track

Posted by: rdauenhauer Nov 7 2012, 12:19 AM

Damn Straight !
Im here to testify!
+ original owner w/paperwork.... NICE!

Posted by: OU8AVW Nov 7 2012, 04:32 AM

Current bid is $25k and has not hit the reserve. With a BIN price of $28k I would remove the reserve immediately and run with the $25k.
Nice car and thanks for the high price.

Posted by: Cracker Nov 7 2012, 08:31 AM

Looks like a nice car...any ad that references "Grandfather" 8 times reminds me of an old Andy Griffith show ("Barney's first car" episode). GLWS and I concur with the notion that you snag 25k for a 4 cyl if you can get it...it was a "safe" bid given that reserve wouldn't be met.

PS - Did I miss something or are there no engine, trans, or undercarriage pictures listed???

...just putting it out there.

Posted by: mtndawg Nov 7 2012, 09:26 AM

It seems like a high price to me. It would be a good idea to keep it. Sixty years from now, one of the relatives could say, "yeah this has been in our family for 100 years!".

Posted by: Tom_T Nov 7 2012, 12:27 PM

I don't think this one is overpriced, but setting the top of the range. Remember when you look at the NADA & Excellence prices, that some will be above in better condition/lower miles/etc. & some below for lesser cars, in order to to average their pricing.

OO 73 & 74 914-2.0s with documented low original mileage in great condition with all the records like this one have sold in the mid to high-20s with a patient seller & the right buyer looking for that color etc. If not now, then certainly within a couple of years upon full economic recovery, since they were regularly in this price range in pre-crash 2004-07.

Those of you who think this is just a nice driver with 180k or 280k miles & worth $10k less are off base here. Although I've not seen it in person, the pix show the indicators that it truly is only an 80k 914 (e.g.: pedal & carpet wear, correct items, etc.).

If you're a CW fanatic, then you go over it thoroughly & not replace much of anything (repair over replace), in order to keep it an all original 914 for survivor or preservation class concours use. However, there is not any room for someone like Tod to buy, resto & resell at a profit.

There are some underside pix in that side scrolling Vuvox photo thingy below the data block, but I'm sure the seller would be willing to get more on request.

I'm personally hoping it does sell well to help eventually justify the so much more that I'm spending to reso my old gal!

Posted by: FastFebut Nov 7 2012, 01:20 PM

Considering...

Posted by: FastFebut Nov 7 2012, 01:23 PM

I had posted some motor/undercar pics on vuvox, but it's not showing now for some reason and eBay won't help/doesn't know how to help...

Posted by: FastFebut Nov 7 2012, 01:26 PM

I wish I could! I grew up idolize'ing this car! It broke my heart when my mother told me that it was in his will that no one in our family possesses this car due to jealousy issues... Money is easier to divide within a family than a car unfortunately.

Posted by: RFoulds Nov 7 2012, 02:21 PM

I am probably one of several who spoke with the seller when the car first went on Craigslist. My opinion, its worth the $25k, maybe more to an overseas buyer.

Advice to seller. remove your reserve and take the $25k bid.

Posted by: 396 Nov 7 2012, 02:39 PM

Take the offer and run...unless someone in the family put up the 25k offer

Posted by: Cairo94507 Nov 7 2012, 03:59 PM

Boy I hope that car sells for $25K and upward.

I would sure want to see the underside of the car, engine compartment, rockers, trunks, etc. to spend that amount. I wish the seller the best on this sale.

Posted by: FastFebut Nov 7 2012, 04:15 PM

e-mail?

Posted by: Tom_T Nov 7 2012, 05:15 PM

I think the problem is at your vuvox linked file, cuz I'd bookmarked that one too (sorry, I just love Marathon Blue 914s ) & that comes up black. You may have to redo the original collage thingy or link another, or just add the extra pix from there to your evil-bay ad.

I did see you offered to email someone pix in a post above.

Posted by: dlkawashima Nov 7 2012, 07:57 PM

Before the vuvox thing went down, I thought I saw a picture of the paint code. Was it L96D ..... silver?

Posted by: FastFebut Nov 7 2012, 09:33 PM

L96m???

Posted by: FastFebut Nov 7 2012, 09:36 PM

Yea, that vuvox thing was working good but then crapped out and I can't get a response back from vuvox.com

I did but haven't gotten a reply back. I took like 6 motor pics and a few undercar pics by the passenger rear.

Posted by: FastFebut Nov 7 2012, 10:01 PM

http://www.p914.com/p914_paint_L96M_73.htm

Posted by: Tom_T Nov 8 2012, 12:47 PM

It was L96M Marathon Blue Metallic Dave. The color shows up better on some of the pix, especially inside.

The clearcoat on this one doesn't appear to be crazed, like that claimed 24k mi Marathon one in NY that was on here in 2010 (it also showed more pedal & carpet wear "tells" & had a 10+ year gap in records, so it could've been 124k or 224K mi). I looked at it as a possible "jump ship" on my 2.0's resto, in order to have it to drive my daughter up to her wedding locale in Nov `10, but it didn't pass my initial sniff test & I decided o stick with my own resto. This one might have caught me though, as it appears to be all as claimed.

Posted by: Tom_T Nov 8 2012, 12:51 PM

I'd suggest just adding the missing pix to your evil-bay ad of the engine & belly & a few good interior shots were on the vuvox too which you could add. Of course I say that not knowing how much of a PITA it is to do so!

You might also clarify whether this 914 has been actually driven by anyone recently - & if not, get it on a test drive for a few miles & report back. One person whom I had look at it mentioned the concern over what might need work after sitting so long (fuel lines, brake system/lines, etc.), although it turns out he's not currently in the market for a 73-74 914-2.0 as of now.

Posted by: mittelmotor Nov 8 2012, 07:13 PM

Hmm....BIN price $25,002, current bid $25,000. One would think that the high (and only) bidder would step up $2.

Posted by: mepstein Nov 8 2012, 07:31 PM

Unless it was a shill bidder.

Posted by: jela5958 Nov 8 2012, 09:31 PM

According to Hagerty's Valuation Tool a '73 concourse (Condition 1) 2.0 pegs out at $31K. Condition 2 cars (former concourse) peg out at roughly $23K.

If the documentation is there to authenticate that every nut & bolt is original or factory correct, then it's worth the money. Authentication starts with a COA, then certification from a bona fide Porsche authority or restorer, and then ownership history documentation. If the owner has ALL of that then the car is worth somewhere between $23k and $31K ... if any of that documentation is missing, it doesn't matter how flawless the car, it's currently only worth somewhere between $14K and $23K.

Granted, if someone's willing to pay $25K or more, great for the seller but that doesn't make the car a concourse car or worth the money paid for one.

Posted by: FastFebut Nov 9 2012, 01:43 AM

eBay is being a real snatch about me trying to update my add. They won't let me change/add pictures and the vuvox isn't working right either...
I took the BIN to $25002 because the reserve is at $25001 and eBay won't let me change it. I also can't get in touch with the lone bidder which has me concerned.
I found a service receipt showing that my grandpa had taken it in in'10 to change seals/gaskets/lines and all necessary components due to "sitting" which was indicated on the service receipt. She starts up fine and goes true.
If you've got a smartphone and want a picture, send me your number and what you want a picture of and it's done. Or send me your e-mail. Extended to anyone who is interested in the 914 btw...

Posted by: RFoulds Nov 9 2012, 04:33 PM

Hey, you're doing an excellent job on this, making your Grandfather proud!

Posted by: RobW Nov 10 2012, 08:13 AM

IMHO keep the car. If it spent its whole life in your family, the greatest value is there.

I restored my Dad's 914 (search Dads car) and I easily spent $25000 on the full restoration. Not many people sign up for those projects. I did it for the connection with my Dad.

Its likely the legitimate sale for the highest price will send the car to Europe where it may actually become a race car. Most of the people who have done this really don't care about the history that much.

If you don't know these cars, you may want to consider taking it to any number of experts on 914s, understand the true condition and value, and then achieve your goal.

Again, consider keeping the car if you can.

Posted by: FastFebut Nov 10 2012, 02:50 PM

I can not keep it unfortunately. The money the family gets from this sale will fund everyone's travel to arlington for my grandfathers funeral.
I have a feeling this bidder is going to flake and i'll have to repost...

Posted by: FastFebut Nov 10 2012, 03:04 PM

Here's what was on the vuvox.
Enjoy...

Posted by: FastFebut Nov 10 2012, 03:09 PM

Posted by: FastFebut Nov 10 2012, 03:11 PM

Posted by: Tom_T Nov 10 2012, 03:51 PM

A couple of clarifications are of note here.

1.) PCA Zone 8 rules are only that 75% of interior, exterior, etc. be original to the car as built & left the factory - not 100%.

2.) "Documentation" of every nut & bolt being original is not required, as it is usually judged by physical inspection, and it really only comes up under challenge at Parade level for close cars in the final phase, which is not usually the case.

The more accurate test is "period & maker correct" - especially for cars which are actually driven & not a permanent museum piece. This is true even in non-PCA concours circles, and certainly not what Hagerty means by #1 & #2.

3.) #2 is for an older restoration or preservation prep/condition, & they compete in concours all the time at #2 level cars.

4.) I agree that in most circumstances the seller should not only get a COA on a car of this level & survivor/originality condition, but also fix the little stuff. However even PCNA says that the window sticker & original documentation trumps their often inaccurate COAs (I speak from firsthand experience unfortunately), and they'll even give a discount on the COA if you supply a copy of the window sticker (which IIRC this car has).

I would also expect the seller in this class & price to repair the center console & AC, etc. to perfect running order, or to be flexible on the price.

In this case - a family grieving the loss and trying to raise money to travel cross-country for a veteran's funeral - I wouldn't expect that "every t dotted & i crossed" (no I don't have crossed eyes! ). So the prospective buyer(s) & seller would need to come to mutually agreeable terms with the family.

BTW - a prospective serious buyer could probably call PCNA with the VIN, engine & transaxle number & explain the situation & request a pre-purchase verification that it is indeed numbers matching, & tell them that they'd buy the COA as soon as the deal closed & they have official title. PCNA should do this for a prospective buyer, and has done so in the past.

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Matt - The new pix are great, and if a prospective buyer has a PPI done - then go along with the car & get some additional underside pix while the car is on the lift for the PPI - or ask for a copy of the buyer/prospect's pix.

As of now, I'd add a good clear pic with flash looking down into the Hell Hole under the batter tray down into the firewall/side-frame juncture, & a few of the front & rear suspension mounts of it in your driveway.

Cheers!
Tom
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Posted by: jela5958 Nov 10 2012, 08:34 PM

Tom I agree. I shouldn't have generalized. I was trying to make the point that a few additional pieces of documentation might be in order, considering the minimum asking price. Documentation aside, the car appears to be an honest No. 2 condition car, a solid survivor.

As you suggested, the console & a/c should be corrected. The right brake light lense should also be replaced ... a thorough walk-around & PPI should unearth any other items that can be addressed or more likely negotiated, to accommodate the immediate sale that the family appears to be in need of.

So note to seller, considering your family's apparent circumstance, please appreciate that you may have to accept less than what you're hoping to get.

Joe

Posted by: FastFebut Nov 10 2012, 09:12 PM

Thanks Joe. We may consider the price. As for the AC, a tank of r12 comes with the sale and honestly we don't have time for the console. This forum is the only place I've need getting constructive feedback from. Every other site comes with sever harrasment and people wasting my time. It's frustrating at times honestly. But thank you. We'll prob repost with a different start price since this current bidder is acting null.

Posted by: turk22 Nov 10 2012, 09:16 PM

The car looks incredible. Love to see a 914 in such condition.

I've never seen an ECU on the rear of the engine compartment before, is that something that would have been done by the dealer? Can't even imagine how they did it, there is so little room.

As an owner of a 73 2.0L, I wish you all the best with the sale.

Regards, Turk

Posted by: Ferg Nov 10 2012, 09:40 PM

It's an AC car so likely yes, dealer moved ecu.

Posted by: FastFebut Nov 14 2012, 11:45 AM

Here we go again! lol

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Porsche-914-914-2-0L-1973-Porsche-914-2-0L-ALL-ORIGINAL-/321023500544?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item4abe7de100#ht_836wt_1167

Posted by: Tom_T Nov 14 2012, 01:34 PM

.... I've seen other dealer AC installations with this ECU relocation, or to mid-firewall, but I think this one may be better cuz they don't puncture the firewall to mount it (& that firewall is subject to engine bay & rear window water/rust issues).

Posted by: mettelman Nov 15 2012, 08:01 AM

I live on the wrong coast but may be interested in buying it and giving it a good home. Everything I have read sounds good, has anyone actually seen/driven the car?

Posted by: FastFebut Nov 15 2012, 11:21 AM

No, unfortunately not. I was thinking of taking a video and posting it on ebay

Posted by: Tom_T Nov 15 2012, 12:45 PM

You could request to have a member on here who lives nearby do so & maybe a PPI for you.....

Posted by: Evil914 Nov 16 2012, 08:41 PM

Posted by: FastFebut Nov 18 2012, 07:20 PM

are you volunteering Evil?

Posted by: Tom_T Nov 18 2012, 07:41 PM

Mike/Evil is near Pittsburgh PA - wrong end of the US.

Potential buyers will need somebody near the Sacramento area closer to you for a PPI.

And before anyone else asks, I'm in SoCal/OC about 450 miles south of the car, so I'm not a PPI resource either.

Rob/Cone Dodger may know of some Sacto area folks, or maybe Stockton. IIRC the car is between the 2 towns on the SR99 corridor.

Posted by: bulitt Nov 19 2012, 09:22 AM

Sorry for your loss!
The car is awesome!
Good luck with your sale!