For Sale: 1974 Porsche 914
Hate to do it, but I’ve decided to sell my car mainly due to lack of interest. I simply can’t dedicate the time, effort and (most important) money into this car/project anymore. I’d really like to keep it, drive it… but I have to draw the line at some point and we just have too many other commitments.
A bit of History:
I’ve owned this car for about ten years and it has always been garaged. FWIW, I have previous owner records to prove this car was originally from Arizona so it has VERY little rust. Here’s a list of items I’ve done during the time I’ve owned the car:
No particular order:
• Rebuilt the 2.0 liter stock motor to a 2270 with a Raby kit. Jenvey TB’s and SDS EFI. With Tangerine Racing Exhaust.
• While motor was out, I had both trunks and engine bay Rhino lined.
• Replaced all four brake rotors, calipers, pads with PMB Performance parts and ATE Superblue Brake Fluid.
• 5 Lug upgrade and 16” Phone Dial wheels.
• Stripped interior and lined with Por-15
• Cleaned and reconditioned the fuel tank with Por-15
• Updated fuse panel
• Aluminum pedal board
• Swepco 201 gear lube
Current State of Car:
After I built the 2270 kit I started collecting parts to build a big turbo motor, 2576 to be exact. After about 3-4 years I had all the parts acquired but did not have the time to assemble so I solicited the expertise of Mark of Original Customs to build the beast. Here is a list of components that make up the build:
• Custom machined/clearance GA case. Clearance work done by Jake at Aircooled Technology.
• TDC (Thermal Displacement Coating) Engine case.
• Rotating assembly balanced by Jake at Aircooled Technology
• DPR 82mm Crank
• 9540 Cam
• Revmaster 38mm oil pump, full flow
• 100mm Turbo Nickies
• JE 100mm Piston, dished and coated
• 5.5” Type 1 H-Beam Rods
• Pauter Roller Rockers
• ChroMoly Pushrods
• Custom Billet Taco Plate
• DTM
• Garrett T3/T4 Ball-Bearing Turbo, TDC coated
• TurboSmart BOV
• TurboSmart Boost Tee
• Tial Wastegate
• Turbo prep’d LE 200 Heads
• Custom Exhaust, Tangerine Racing
• Custom intake plenums, M-Spec Racing
• Custom Fuel Rails, Extrudabody
• SDS EFI
• 70mm Ford Throttle body
• Kennedy Stage II clutch with six puck pressure plate
• Custom surround tin, Original Customs
• Setrab oil cooler with fan
• Motor build complete in July of 2012
• Install complete in August of 2013
The car is an absolute blast to drive!
What’s left to do:
While I had no plans of racing the car, it was destined to be my daily driver. So I had plans of installing a water/meth intake injection system to keep the intake temps in check. The car is drivable without this system in place due to the cooler weather we have around here but I wouldn’t push it until some sort of intake cooling system is in place. Like I said… daily driver.
I know that I will never get the amount I put into this car but we all know we are not in the hobby to make money, right. Just the turbo motor alone, in parts, I’ve spent at least $15,000. So, I’d like to sell the whole package for $18,500 $15k.
Thanks for looking. Pictures of the motor build can be found here, http://www.originalcustoms.com/invoice/images.php?p=143.
EDIT: Mark @ Original Customs has offered a discount to the buyer. See his post http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s=&showtopic=257971&view=findpost&p=2442273.
-Rob
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Over 200 views and no interest? Any questions about the car please let me know.
Thanks for looking.
-Rob
Sweet car. What kind of power do you think it is putting down? Has it seen a dyno?
Got any videos of it running?
How many miles since it is running?
Just needs meth kit to be a reliable driver?
Look at it this way folks. You would be buying a discounted monster $$$$ engine that's pretty well sorted and rob is throwing in a nice chassis with the 5 lug wheel package as part of the deal. It would prob be well north of $10k as a stock 4 cyl car in my book.
Or buy the car, go to a less performance engine, SELL the turbo, and get a nice stock car on the WAY cheap. Lots of different ways to look at it....
this really is a great looking car and I would be very interested in a trade, or if these potential buyers come through I would be ready to throw cash your way. either way, Im here and watching. I really think its time for me to get into a teener
Buy it Simon!
Me LIKE. A LOT!
Bump and here are some more pics...
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Such a sweet engine.
Would love to see some recent videos of it driving ( In car and drive by)
EDIT: Through internet stalking I found one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyPBms7AgU8
Hahaha... kind of hard to hold the phone (video device), hold on and shift at the same time. I will try and get a better video posted this weekend.
I don't see an asking price.....
Nevermind...found it.
Bump and price reduction... $15k
Honestly... what is 'scaring' people away from even making offers on my car? I don't get it. Compared to some of these other cars that are posted... I know $15k might be too much for some people, but look at what you'd be getting. Offers? No jokers please. You can't even buy the motor alone for this price!!
Thanks for looking.
What would a Miata owner, that didn't break the bank, use for some sort of intercooler that is readily available?
Agree with the above posts. 15k is a great price, but I think people(myself included) are worried that engine needs careful tuning and meth injection to make it safe. If you mess it up there are costly consequences. It's simply the fear of the unknown, as that engine and trunk have lots of hoses and wires to learn and sort out. Spend another 2k on it to get cooling and a tune...you can sell for full asking price. Especially on eBay.
Might help to offer the buyer some assistance on sorting the last needed details out.
Great explanation. Seems like a type 4 that has the best of both worlds and was designed and built by Pros. I like it
We have a pt cruiser turbo gt ho. In the world of turbo chargers the one on the car is 'smallish'. Plain old driving around and freeway cruising it's about the same as any other na car. It wakes up at about 3.2k. People tend be a bit surprised at a charge thru 4th. Not like an on/off switch. With robs civilized boost level I imagine the car is predictable. Rob, take the car to the upcoming car show in snoqualmie. Detail it and put a for sale sign on it. Start @ $18.2k. At least your car will be out there. East side $$$.
But...more informative photos might help the cause. Rob could prob make out more than fine if he afford to put in a 2.0 fi with heat and sell the engine solo after a session on an engine dyno. But...that's more money
if you're going to busy i can show it for you. just give me the key.
"There really isn’t anything complex about it."
I disagree. In theory it is simple but in practice it is not, really. Tune a carb wrong, and your car gets horrible gas mileage. Tune a turbo wrong and your rods bend or you burn pistons and blow a hole in your block.
"I guess the most important thing that people need to understand is that this motor (and I can’t say it’s true for all turbo’d engines) is not on boost all the time and so therefore does not generate the heat they are stereotyped for.
I'm actually just talking about the amount of heat that a large flat four generates, minus the turbo system. Heat is your enemy with any engine, and the turbo just complicates things.
"The only time you see any boost is when you are moderately to aggressively accelerating from a stop and/or passing someone on the freeway. In any other circumstance it behaves and drives like any NA motor.
I guess the most important thing that people need to understand is that this motor (and I can’t say it’s true for all turbo’d engines) is not on boost all the time and so therefore does not generate the heat they are stereotyped for."
Yes, that is generally true for all turbo motors, depending on how small or large the turbo is and what the goal for the engine is. Many modern turbo engines have very small turbos and begin building boost at 1200rpm, full boost by 2000rpm. This is to generate a lot of torque off the line which is what fat Americans like. It makes a slow car feel fast, but then runs out of steam at higher speeds.
My Miata started boosting at 200rpm, made full boost by 3400rpm and made power through 6500rpm. This was at 12psi, low to medium for a Miata. Without an intercooler, the intake charge would have been too hot, and the engine would have detonated and burnt my pistons, ruining the engine. OR, the computer would have retarded the timing, and my engine would have made no power. Either way, no fun to drive.
As far as maximum boost… you said it yourself and I’ve read/researched mainly air-cooled motors, a lot of useful information on shoptalkforums, if you keep the boost low (below 10 as a rule of thumb) you really don’t need any sort of intercooling or meth setup.
I'm not sure where you read this, but what psi you stuff into the engine really doesn't matter. That is just a gross generalization. You really need to worry about your IAC temps and the ability of your fuel system (computer) to maintain the correct A/F ratios to prevent detonation from running rich, or bending your rods from running lean. The problem with turbos is that there is a lot of misinformation out there, a lot of "I heard this" etc. and that leads to generalizations, and that leads to blown up engines. Yes, in a Miata, you can run 6psi of boost without intercooling. It can be done and is done. It's good up to about 160hp. I ran a supercharger for awhile at 6psi without an intercooler. It sucked though, at full boost in hot weather, the engine would ping (detonate) and if I drove it like that all the time, I would have blown the engine, in spite of what everybody said...with the turbo, intercooler, and a GOOD TUNE (not a "safe" tune, "aggressive" or "conservative" tune) the car made 247whp and 222tq with AFR of 11.5 at full boost, 14.7 on the highway and no knock. It was dead reliable. Took 1.5 hours by a known good tuner to do it.
dyno time and results were cut short and inconclusive because the clutch I had in there kept slipping when I built up any boost.
Then you don't have a good tune. You need 5-6 pulls to redline to get it right, at minimum, and then some street driving to round everything out. I am not familiar with your computer (aren't they used in airplanes?) but it has datalogging and mapping and that is all you need.
What is the point of me saying all this? The point is, I think your car is ABSOLUTELY BADASS and awesome. The engine is completely great, built correctly it seems by people who know what they are doing. I think it could absolutely be made to be moderately reliable and super quick. It is simply missing some sort of intake charge cooler, and a good tune. Do that, and prove it works, post the dyno results, and boom, I would be asking $20K for this car. I want you to get what you deserve out of this car.
And to anyone thinking of going turbo or buying this car, I would say go for it. The build looks good, you couldn't do this yourself, but you need cooling and a tune, and Corky Bell's book Maxumum Boost, and then you should be free to absolutely destroy Porsche Boxster S's on any road... GLWS
Intercoolers are dime a dozen on Ebay, expect to pay about $150 new aftermarket. Or go used OEM like Saab, Nissan or Subaru for $50+. Rule of thumb is around 8 psi is when temps get into trouble area. But given the 914s poor airflow around back it would be tough to get it to contribute much.
My opinion is not that $15k is too high for the car, it's the $15k engine on a timer, and not a cheap rebuild if/when it happens.
The right buyer might be outside the forum.
Smaller and easier choice might be a good water to air intercooler. Ebay intercoolers, well, sometimes you get what you pay for, sometime they are actually good...you just don't know. I still love the car...
Here is a quick video I just took. Sorry for the poor quality as I had no copilot. I just wanted to capture a quick shot going thru a tunnel. Shifting from second to third you can hear boost build up then the blow off valve go off while shifting. Then in third it starts to build up boost again.
http://youtu.be/uz6Z9UoU7Cw
I'll be completely honest, it seems to run pretty well. It doesn't die at idle, builds boost around 3300rpm, sounds good, obviously pulls nicely..
For anyone looking to buy this...I haven't seen the car in person or driven it...but I think with two hours on the dyno...this car could be one quick ticket. With a water to air intercooler and 12psi...Carrera fast...
no snapping no popping no nothing. as noted nice idle. all i hear is power waiting to be unleashed. i think it's best left as is. my guess is it has plenty of go. why turn it in to a grenade and try to blow up $9k+ worth of parts (in boxes)? raise the price back up rob. oh…wipe the dust off the dash.
Thought I'd try this again. Slight update since my original post... I've installed a front mount cooler from Patricks Motorsports. Install information here: http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=267146&hl=cooler&st=40
Still looking to get $15,000, or best reasonable offer and no trades.
-Rob
I really like this car. Did you end up installing a new lower front valence and shroud for the front mount oil cooler? Didn't see a picture of that.
What about the dust? remember?
I'm willing to offer 10% off my normal labor rate for anyone who buys this car and has me finish the intercooler install and do the dyno tuning.
I would jump at it if I had the cash on hand.
Hello
I have been trying to follow this thread
I see where Rob (Rtalich) is adding what seems to be a front oil cooler.
Would this help with the induction cooling (water/meth intake injection system to keep the intake temps in check)
Or would the buyer need to add this and a tune as well?
Thanks for any explanation
Regards
Mike
SOLD!!
I was wondering if the shop talk forums guy was going to come through. Someone got a steal.
What a steal!!! I would have bought this if I didn't have two already.
Yes, it was a steal!! However, here is the kicker and thought I'd throw this out there. With the permission of the now new owner...
He is willing to sell the motor at a price yet to be determined by him and the potential buyer. He really wants to replace it and put in a 2056 or 2270. So, shoot me a PM and I'll get you two hooked up if interested.
is this car still available
Nope. Too late. post #45.
I wish. I wish. So Close.
I am the guy from the STF that almost got it. My understanding it sold for asking price. Good job, Rob!
I continue my hunt.
Brian
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