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Posted by: dweeb Aug 9 2017, 05:59 PM

so this is a 1971 orange factory paint radio etc. targa top. only mod is 3 point seat belt and exhaust.

its been in second owners possession for over 30 years. she has had it stored in her garage has not ran or even tried to start in 15 years.

The body is in solid shape no rust we are discussing a price around 2500 but the great thing is she wants me to work it off on my lawn care as I have a lawn care business.


What are your thoughts?

What should I be concerned about when it comes to getting it road worthy?

Dave


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Posted by: Racer Aug 9 2017, 06:20 PM

Pics are the only way to know. $2500 could be good.. or too high.. or way too low.. and, we all know, they left the factory with rust ( ) you just haven't found it yet.

Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Aug 9 2017, 06:24 PM

A 1971 914 1.7L is not a very desirable 914, unless it is pristine. Anything can be fixed but, not to be discouraging, if it does not run it can only be considered and valued as a parts car. No car sitting around does well. To fix it you will at least need to check and probably rebuild/replace the:

Tires, wheel bearings, brakes, entire fuel system from tank to injection, engine, lights and electrical, shocks and suspension/shift linkage bushings.

Not to mention the esthetics - upholstery, paint, trim, door locks, carpeting, rubber bits.

If it has not run in 15 years there is a reason - is the tranny dead? Engine frozen? Wiring eaten by critters? It only takes time and money...and that could be a lot more lawn jobs. I suggest it is not worth more than about $1K in its current condition because of the work and risks involved. But some people don't make rational decisions.

Posted by: N_Jay Aug 9 2017, 06:34 PM

Get some pics. Look carefully for ever little sign of rust.

If it won't start you can at least tell if the engine is frozen by putting it in fith gear and rocking the car a bit and see if the engine turns.

Is the FI still on or does it have carbs?

Does it look proper or a rats nest in the engine compartment?

Posted by: mepstein Aug 9 2017, 07:36 PM

It has at least $2k in parts. Just the (oem) steering wheel is worth $300, more if in great shape, lockset $300, Un cracked dash $800, etc. If it's even a low rust car it's worth the $2500 and a bonus if you're not putting out any cash. Close to you to boot. Good luck with your new 914.

Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Aug 9 2017, 10:49 PM

"Un cracked dash $800"

Whatchusmokin?

Posted by: Mikey914 Aug 9 2017, 11:57 PM

$2500 is a reasonable number for a car in "reasonable" condition.

It it really has very little rust, the $2500 is a great deal.

It's more of what you want to do with it. Are you flipping it? Without some skills and a lot of sweat equity, the upside is not huge. If you intend to drive and enjoy the car, I would do it.

Just my .02 , but it really is dependent on no rust in the battery tray area.

Posted by: mepstein Aug 10 2017, 03:51 AM

Yes. On an early car. Same as a 914-6. $800 all day long. If it's cracked then it's probably $100 but on two of the early cars I purchased that had been in storage for a long time, the dash was pristine.

Posted by: Mike Fitton Aug 10 2017, 06:29 AM

Yep! $800 might even be low, I paid $950 for an early pristine dash 2 years ago.

Posted by: sixaddict Aug 10 2017, 06:54 AM

70-71 means it can go in a 6 hence accurate although undocumented weed induced answer IF you are parting out

Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Aug 10 2017, 09:15 AM

I live in the 73-74 /4 world and had not known about the early dash scarcity. Sounds like a winner for 914rubber.

Posted by: Front yard mechanic Aug 10 2017, 04:11 PM

I would say it's worth about fifty mows and a little triming

Posted by: dweeb Aug 10 2017, 07:50 PM

so the deal is done. I unpacked the hoarder style garage it has been kept in for 15 years.

It is in really amazing condition. one ding, a couple minor rust bubbles on the exterior but the inside of trunk and hood around hinges and such are pristine no rust at all. door jams look sexy. it has the factory wheels but also comes with a after market set.

The emblems look great, it has factory manuals.

but yeah its going to be worth a lot of mowings and snow plows but I'm good with that.

I'm glad we agreed on price before I dug it out and pulled her outside. the owner would have wanted more judging from her reaction to the cleanliness of her. also I might have been tempted to agree to more!

I will try to upload images if I am able to since I am a knew member. if not anyone can send me there email for the info and images.

Dave

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Posted by: Specracer Aug 11 2017, 03:46 AM

Congrats!

Now that it's in the daylight you can start to find the rust.

The fuel system will be you 1st task. I took out the tank, plumbed a tank out of a coffee can, and direct wired the fuel pump off a battery jump box (easy for me, as my pump had been relocated to the front). This let fuel circulate through the system. I did this over several days, changing to fresh gas fairly often. There was a lot of crap that came out, even with the fuel filer in place. This worked for me, as it started right up after (still running off the coffee can). Rough at 1st, one injector took a while to wake up.

Keep us posted!

Posted by: raynekat Aug 12 2017, 07:46 PM

Except the glove box cutout is not correct for an early car.

Pity 914 Rubber didn't make the dashes for both the early and late cars.

Now THAT would have been a winner.

Posted by: mepstein Aug 12 2017, 08:30 PM

I've talked to mark. He's not ready to commit to another dash mold - yet.

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Posted by: ndfrigi Aug 13 2017, 05:42 PM

Congratulations! 1st time seeing a stored for 15 years with that kind of clean inside and out. Sure the owner did take care of the car!

wait! 15 years only? the registration tag is 1993. So it is around 24 years not registered.

Posted by: nditiz1 Aug 14 2017, 08:25 AM

Great find! I would definitely trade several grass cuts for that. You can't go wrong with that, looks clean.

Posted by: iwanta914-6 Aug 14 2017, 09:11 AM

Not going to make many friends around here by flipping it for $12,900

https://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/d/1971-porsche-914/6263352319.html

There's nothing wrong with flipping a car for a profit, but this whole thread is misleading to me anyway.

Posted by: JOEPROPER Aug 14 2017, 09:24 AM

I don't think it's "friends" that he's looking to make...

Posted by: nditiz1 Aug 14 2017, 11:38 AM

I'd like to retract my comment and say hope you don't sell it ya %$$^@(@

Why not just keep it and drive it! You didn't pay any cash for it just service.

Posted by: billh1963 Aug 14 2017, 01:09 PM

Wouldn't be the first time and won't be the last.

Happens on other forums as well. Flipper poses as an enthusiast and uses free expertise to maximize their flip.

One of the most egregious examples was on a MG forum a couple years ago. Young guy buys an MG and he and his GF are going to drive cross country. He's in college so people on forum give him lots of free new parts, free labor and even pitch in for a new set of tires. Probably totaled $2-$3K in parts alone not to mention all the free labor. Car shows up on craigslist a few weeks later.

Newbies wonder why sometimes they are treated with cynicism?

Posted by: Garold Shaffer Aug 14 2017, 01:26 PM

My 2 cents, not that it matters to anyone. So he is trying to flip a car to make some $$. He didn't ask for free parts just some advice. The lady and him made a deal they were both happy with. Car has sat for 15+ yrs so it will need work. Is it worth the $12.9k he is asking for it, nope not even close, but $6-8kish, maybe?

Lot of people here seem to get upset because people flip cars (or parts) for $$. I don't get it, what is wrong with trying to make some $$?

Posted by: iwanta914-6 Aug 14 2017, 01:27 PM

It just sits so wrong with me. I mean, basically rip off some older lady that obviously didn't know what she had for a quick $10K (or more depending on what lawn services are supposed to be provided) Hopefully she got that all in writing.

I shouldn't be so quick to judge, but there's a lot of jealous rage built up since I would love and cherish that car.

besides, was there any mention of this car even running for $12,900?

Posted by: malcolm2 Aug 14 2017, 02:08 PM

Looks like you got a great car there. But $12K for a 1.7 on Craigslist before you got the title, right???? Dude, you picked the wrong car to slip one past somebody. This group knows the ups and downs of these cars.... no way anyone that does would buy it from you now.

Maybe for a Crèmesicle or a -6 just dug out of the garage. I would get it running and drive it. Love the color, wheels not so much.

I say drive it.

Posted by: Garold Shaffer Aug 14 2017, 02:43 PM

But that is my point, he didn't rip her off. It has sat for a long time covered in crap in a garage. I can bet it is full of mouse crap, doesn't run, brakes need work, tires are shot and the list goes on. For $2500 she got a good deal on 71 that has sat since 93 according to the plate on the back of the car.

Now where he is crazy at is thinking it is worth $12.9k. He is fishing, nothing wrong with that, but the reality is anyone that looks at it in person will know it is not worth anything near that. If he gets it running and driving then his time is worth money and he should make some off it. If it were me I would get it to turn over (maybe running?) and market it as a running project car at $5-$6K asking price. I bet he would get many lookers and possible buyers in that range. At $12+ not so much. Again just my 2cents.

Posted by: dweeb Aug 14 2017, 02:51 PM

Thanks for the remarks group. I am not sure what the value is. I am not trying to slip anything past anyone thanks for the judgement.

If I paid 1.00 for the car then you guys would only offer 1.50? what I have invested in a car does not create the value as far as money goes. if the car is worth 2000 but I paid 4000 then no one is going to give more than the car is worth anyway.

the title is in my hand, I ended up paying cash for it as I did not want to have to feel in debt to someone.

I never said I was an enthusiast for Porsche, I was looking for advice from the forum that would have the best tp offer. I am a bmw m3 enthusiast not Porsche. I have been a member on the bimmer forums for close to a decade. I'm not shady or what ever you what to say. but if the lady and I made a deal at 2500 I am taking all the risk.

sure I posted an add to see what interest there was. And I was certain the stalkers of the 914 would submit my ad on the forums as they do with bmw's. I am not sure if this car is a keeper for me, I prefer more performance and frankly this not a car I want to mod, it would be best to leave her as she is factory.

I thank those of you who replied in my defense about making money on a deal. to the others not so much. I am not trying to ruffle feathers, or pull the wool over anyone's eyes. I posted how much I paid!! I could have said 5000 but what difference does it make. I have been honest, I have not asked for anything other than advice as this brand is new to me. my first thought was to keep it and have fun so what if I decided to sell it for profit. if its worth only 8k then so be it but I'm not going to sell her to you. I would only want an honest value for her. and the values range from 8k-15k online with similar mileage.

the people on forums are the worst and best critics for any car brand, I know that going into this post. they want to pay the least and want to get the highest value due to there emotional attachments.

I am sorry for coming to this group for knowledge and advice. But this is the group should appreciate a find like this more than running their mouths about my deal and say I'm pulling a fast one.

Posted by: iwanta914-6 Aug 14 2017, 03:02 PM

Jealousy gets the best of me, meant no ill will, so I apologize. Good luck with the sale of your 914, I'm sure it will eventually end up in loving hands.

Posted by: BuddyV Aug 14 2017, 07:03 PM

You did nothing wrong...... good luck.

Not sure what someone will pay, but best of luck.

Posted by: malcolm2 Aug 14 2017, 07:22 PM

if you were to drive it, you might just like it.

Posted by: era vulgaris Aug 15 2017, 02:42 PM

Cars are an emotional thing for enthusiasts, particularly enthusiasts of a specific model. I hope you weren't turned off to this forum, because I've been on a number of classic car forums, and 914world really does have the coolest and most helpful bunch of folks.

That being said, values online are ASKING prices. I keep tabs on listings for 914's and Karmann Ghia's almost daily because they're the two cars I'm obsessed with, and I see the listings that disappear quickly and the ones that stick around for weeks or months. $15k private sale price for a 1.7 would have to be a high quality, almost potential show quality condition car that has no rust and all mechanical and electrical systems are like new or rebuilt. A non-running 1.7 would max out around $6k. A driver 1.7 that's maybe a little scruffy (or garage-fresh!), but all mechanical and electrical systems work and no visible rust is going to bring you around $10k. Every bit of rust that shows, start subtracting $$$.

Whatever you decide to do, best of luck. But I'd take the recommendations to get the car running and just drive it for a month. If you don't think it's the most fun little go kart you've ever driven, then sell it. But give it a chance. I wrote these cars off for a long time, then I spent some time with one, and now I'm obsessed! Remember, performance doesn't only equal straight line speed. Performance is also about how little speed you need to lose to make it around a corner. In that respect a 914 is one of the best cars out there for the money.

Posted by: Front yard mechanic Aug 15 2017, 08:16 PM

I had no idea you were trying to sell this car right after buying it ! In that case her lawn looks like crap