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914World.com _ FS/WANTED: 914 Cars and Rollers _ 1974 with Raby 2270 Performer

Posted by: zx-niner Apr 8 2019, 08:09 AM

Sale fell through, now listing for $12,500.

For sale 1974 model with a Raby turnkey 2270, Tangerine exhaust, full instrumentation, working A/C, rebuilt suspension and brakes, new seat upholstery with heated seats. All the right parts, done right, but needs some cosmetic work inside and out to make perfect. Located in Las Vegas but current registration in California.


Steve
sfrnkwch@yahoo.com


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Posted by: zx-niner Apr 8 2019, 09:11 AM

As promised, a more thorough listing of the cars condition.

I purchased the car in 2008 as a bone-stock 1.8 liter with very little rust. The actual mileage was unknown. In the time I have owned it I put maybe 6,000 miles on the car while making the following modifications (although some modifications have less than a few hundred miles on them):
The good:
1. Raby 2270 Performer engine: Turnkey build from Jake; installed with Tangerine Racing 1-5/8” EVO exhaust, EVO II silencer, and heat exchanger kit; Derale Atomic Cool remote oil cooler with thermostat controlled fan, dual fuel filters, vacuum oil breather system, all SS hoses with AN fittings.
2. Raby rebuilt transmission, looked like all new parts
3. Front and rear suspension rebuild: Bilstein shocks, bushings, bearing, sway bars, ball joints, turbo tie-rod.
4. Rebuilt brakes, F&R: Set of four PMB rebuilt calipers, SS brake lines all around, rebuilt 19mm master cylinder, emergency brake works fine
5. Rebuilt axles from AutoAtlanta
6. Aftermarket air conditioning: Parts from Nostalgic Air, with front trunk condenser, engine mounted compressor and under dash evaporator. Spare tire mounts on top of condenser
7. Leather reupholstered seats with two-level electric heat inserts
8. AMCO aftermarket center console: CHT gauge (100-700); EGT gauge (700-1700); oil pressure gauge (0-80); oil temperature gauge (scaled to red); voltage gauge (8-16); and clock. Console has elbow height arm rest with small storage compartment, and controls for the A/C and heated seats.
9. New Hankook Performer 205/60x15 tires
10. Various OEM rubber seals replaced, including targa top/windshield seal.
11. Buyer can haul away all my spare 914 parts stash (about 6 boxes worth) which includes items such as new L&R side view mirrors, new F&R bumper tits, new OEM turn signal switch, OEM rubber for most of the rest of the car that I didn’t already replace, various powder coated body parts (L&R lower sill covers, rear valence, speedo/tach dashboard trim), various 914 books and repair manuals/binders.

The less-good:
1. Needs some visual body and paint repairs, although the only two known rust areas are some bubbles near the driver door handle and the beginnings of deterioration on the battery tray (does not intrude on the chassis or battery support)
2. Passenger compartment restoration about 60% complete. Needs back pad, door panel and dash front upholstery.
3. Under dash air conditioning unit interferes with passenger side foot well speaker. Speaker grill would have to be modified. Car comes with new L&R speaker grills for new owner to modify.
4. I installed struts the rear trunk lid which prohibit storage of the roof
5. Various mechanical and electrical idiosyncrasies such as electric rear trunk lock, driver side headlight randomly refuses to close then arbitrarily does, weak heating and ventilation
6. Raby rebuilt transmission, there’s a reason he is known for his engines! Kind of sticky shifting, may just need breaking in (has about 500 miles on it).

The LESS less-good:
1. The Raby engine came with a Mallory Unilite ignition system. After fighting for years with increasingly frequent blown ignition modules ($100 a pop), I replaced the entire setup with a stock 009 distributor and points setup. As a result the engine does not rev as quickly and power is probably down. Buyer gets all the original Mallory pieces, plus the extra coil, resistors and power filters I bought trying to clean up the power.

Posted by: zx-niner Apr 8 2019, 09:52 AM

Some more exterior photos:

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Posted by: abes914 Apr 8 2019, 09:59 AM

I am not in the market but wow. Wish I have that much spare $$ to purchase this car.
Sleeper car that sounds like a blast to drive.

Glwts
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Posted by: zx-niner Apr 8 2019, 10:19 AM

Here are some current under-car photos:

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Posted by: MikeM Apr 8 2019, 11:40 AM

Somebody buy this before I do....

Posted by: burton73 Apr 8 2019, 12:21 PM

QUOTE(MikeM @ Apr 8 2019, 10:40 AM) *

Somebody buy this before I do....



Your turn Mike.

Lots of very nice parts make a very nice car with a little work.

Bob B

Posted by: El Scorcho Apr 8 2019, 12:23 PM

What a great car for the money! GLWTS!

Posted by: wes Apr 8 2019, 12:30 PM

Wow great deal that surely won’t take long before this ones putting a big smile on the new owners face.

Posted by: zx-niner Apr 8 2019, 01:20 PM

From reading the 914 World Forum over the years I have noticed a lack of Raby turnkey customers so here are a few pictures I recorded for posterity.

Engine arrival and Jake's documentation. Jake's instruction manual is quite complete, and strict. The Raby ID# is 008067, I think he stamped 6067 and tried to correct it to an 8067.

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I planned the air conditioner from the beginning so my installer could make all the fabrications at the same time.

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All of the original Mallory ignition components come with the engine, along with other parts I threw at the short-lived-ignition-module problem. The 009 distributor is fine for how I drive it now. A little advertised problem converting to carburetors from fuel injection is figuring out the throttle cable. My installer custom fabricated this support. It isn't going anywhere.

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Posted by: zx-niner Apr 8 2019, 01:48 PM

Now for the things that aren't so pretty.

First and foremost are the bubbles near the driver door handle. They have been there since I got the car in 2008 and do not have appeared to have changed at all. I have always kept the car garaged and dry.

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A previous owner must have had different side view mirrors installed as there are some holes drilled on each door. A rubber washer seals each hole.

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Rush in the battery tray is a relatively new development, probably from the cars storage from 2011 to 2017. You can see the battery tray in an earlier picture that is was pristine. The corrosion is only limited to the tray bottom and has not affected the side weld or underneath support.

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Two normal areas of rust that are NOT affected are the side longitudinals and the hell hole. Sorry, I only have a photo of the right side longitudinal exposed, and no longer have a floor jack or stands (or gumption) to remove the left side panel. Also, that is fire extinguisher foam in the hell hole which will be explained in a future post.

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Posted by: zx-niner Apr 8 2019, 02:24 PM

About the engine fire - After the car sat from 2011 to 2017, I retired and moved to Las Vegas. The car went straight to Carl's Place in town to bring back to life. For reasons unknown (but suspected to be leftover residue in the rebuilt carbs causing the backfire) the passenger carburetor caught fire while I was out driving. I know there is a current thread about the use of powder fire extinguishers, but as you stand there and watch the fire building, your years-old halon extinguisher inoperable, when someone runs up with a foam extinguisher you use it. (Later you realize maybe the insurance payoff for letting it burn would have been better than getting the car repaired.)

Anyway, the car went back to Carl’s who replaced the carburetor; however, for some reason the engine would not turn over when they got the carburetor reinstalled. They ended up pulling the engine and replacing the cylinders and rings (in addition to the one carburetor and engine grill). They also rebuilt the original passenger side carb again, finding issues they suspect caused the fire in the driver side carb. As a result, the car runs much smoother than before the fire. It seems to be somewhat more cold-blooded, though, and requires more time to warm up.

After the fire:

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Damage after repairs:

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Posted by: zx-niner Apr 8 2019, 02:40 PM

I do have more pictures but no means to get the car up in the air or take things apart to get more (other than the side jack for changing tires). I also have all the records from my time of ownership, including the modification work done over the years. Feel free to ask any questions.

Finally, any shipping costs are the responsibility of the buyer, and the car is being sold as-is with no warranty. Any smogging and licensing is the buyer's responsibility. Transferring title to someone in California, however, should be a piece of cake.

Posted by: 2mAn Apr 15 2019, 04:34 PM

damn, saw the Merced Location on your profile and got excited. LV is a little out of the way

Posted by: zx-niner Apr 15 2019, 05:03 PM

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damn, saw the Merced Location on your profile and got excited. LV is a little out of the way


Sorry about that. I didn't notice the full Profile Edit button after I moved, only the Signature Edit. Went back and looked harder.

But thanks for the bump!

Posted by: rhodyguy Apr 26 2019, 02:50 PM

Appears to be a lot of car for the money. I imagine price fails to cover the cost involved for just the power plant and trans.

Posted by: 914werke Apr 26 2019, 04:28 PM

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Posted by: rhodyguy Apr 26 2019, 04:41 PM

Nice swap package and flip the tub for $7k+.

Posted by: alpha19 May 5 2019, 09:51 PM

Hey Steve, am interested in your car if you still have it. I emailed you a little while ago with my phone number, give me a call please. Joe

Posted by: zx-niner May 21 2019, 05:05 PM

Sale pending . . .

Posted by: zx-niner Jun 21 2019, 07:37 AM

QUOTE(zx-niner @ May 21 2019, 04:05 PM) *

Sale pending . . .

Sale fell through, the car is once again available..

Posted by: JOEPROPER Jun 21 2019, 02:24 PM

This looks like a great deal... Am I missing something?

Posted by: Chris914n6 Jun 22 2019, 12:54 AM

Somebody ask for a second opinion so I have an excuse to drive a RABY 2270 biggrin.gif

Posted by: zx-niner Jul 4 2019, 11:03 AM

QUOTE(Chris914n6 @ Jun 21 2019, 11:54 PM) *

Somebody ask for a second opinion so I have an excuse to drive a RABY 2270 biggrin.gif

You're welcome to take it for a spin any time! We're down in Henderson, kind of near the "M", but currently out of town for a couple weeks.

Posted by: flat4guy Jul 5 2019, 10:06 PM

QUOTE(zx-niner @ Jul 4 2019, 10:03 AM) *

QUOTE(Chris914n6 @ Jun 21 2019, 11:54 PM) *

Somebody ask for a second opinion so I have an excuse to drive a RABY 2270 biggrin.gif

You're welcome to take it for a spin any time! We're down in Henderson, kind of near the "M", but currently out of town for a couple weeks.

When you're back in town would love to see more pics of the car, ie.. interior etc... Thank you.

Posted by: zx-niner Jul 9 2019, 07:09 PM

Once again the car is tentatively sold.

Posted by: RFoulds Jul 14 2019, 01:49 PM

I know a local buyer here in Coachella Valley who would love this car. Let me know if dale falls through.

Posted by: zx-niner Oct 1 2019, 03:47 PM

Sale once again fell through. Price reduced to $12,500.

Posted by: ValcoOscar Oct 1 2019, 04:16 PM

Wow...

I have that identical Raby engine in one of my 914's.....SWEET. Have known Jake Raby for nearly 20 yrs. beerchug.gif

Motor alone is worth it!!!!!

GLWS

Oscar

Posted by: 2mAn Oct 2 2019, 09:29 PM

I cant believe this is still for sale...

Will this make the drive back to LA with no hiccups? A/C works so it sounds like an easy fly and drive...

Posted by: Chris914n6 Oct 3 2019, 11:40 AM

I'm still game for a drive if you are beerchug.gif


QUOTE(zx-niner @ Jul 4 2019, 10:03 AM) *

QUOTE(Chris914n6 @ Jun 21 2019, 11:54 PM) *

Somebody ask for a second opinion so I have an excuse to drive a RABY 2270 biggrin.gif

You're welcome to take it for a spin any time! We're down in Henderson, kind of near the "M", but currently out of town for a couple weeks.


Posted by: dax1969 Oct 3 2019, 12:52 PM

QUOTE(Chris914n6 @ Oct 3 2019, 07:40 PM) *

I'm still game for a drive if you are beerchug.gif


QUOTE(zx-niner @ Jul 4 2019, 10:03 AM) *

QUOTE(Chris914n6 @ Jun 21 2019, 11:54 PM) *

Somebody ask for a second opinion so I have an excuse to drive a RABY 2270 biggrin.gif

You're welcome to take it for a spin any time! We're down in Henderson, kind of near the "M", but currently out of town for a couple weeks.




Shoot a video and send to me !

Thks
Dax

Posted by: zx-niner Oct 22 2019, 10:23 PM

QUOTE(2mAn @ Oct 2 2019, 08:29 PM) *

I cant believe this is still for sale...

Will this make the drive back to LA with no hiccups? A/C works so it sounds like an easy fly and drive...


There is no reason I know of that it couldn't. I only drive it around town now.

Posted by: zx-niner Oct 22 2019, 10:25 PM

QUOTE(Chris914n6 @ Oct 3 2019, 10:40 AM) *

I'm still game for a drive if you are beerchug.gif


QUOTE(zx-niner @ Jul 4 2019, 10:03 AM) *

QUOTE(Chris914n6 @ Jun 21 2019, 11:54 PM) *

Somebody ask for a second opinion so I have an excuse to drive a RABY 2270 biggrin.gif

You're welcome to take it for a spin any time! We're down in Henderson, kind of near the "M", but currently out of town for a couple weeks.



PM me sometime. We're retired so are either available anytime or gone for extended periods.

Posted by: IronHillRestorations Nov 4 2019, 08:09 PM

This looks like a really good deal to me. If I wasn't scaling back...and just lost several years of my retirement...

You've done a nice job developing this car, GLWTS

Posted by: JOEPROPER Nov 5 2019, 08:17 AM

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This looks like a really good deal to me. If I wasn't scaling back...and just lost several years of my retirement...

You've done a nice job developing this car, GLWTS

agree.gif If I had 1 more space, I'd be on it too.

Posted by: ndfrigi Nov 5 2019, 12:48 PM

QUOTE(ValcoOscar @ Oct 1 2019, 03:16 PM) *

Wow...

I have that identical Raby engine in one of my 914's.....SWEET. Have known Jake Raby for nearly 20 yrs. beerchug.gif

Motor alone is worth it!!!!!

GLWS

Oscar


bump again to top.
Yes I agree just the motor alone is worth that price already.
Someone should have a good buy on this!


Posted by: Chris914n6 Nov 6 2019, 02:16 AM

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I got out to look at it Sunday so here's a quick review.

Seller has represented the car reasonably well and honestly so I'm just going to add to it.

ENGINE: It's carb'd and you won't forget that. It started on the 3rd try. A little cranky when cold but idled just fine even with the comp on. It's built more towards a track motor, where all the power is on the top end, like a -6 or suby-6. So it launches kinda dull then whoosh and you're over redline. Noticeable hesitation just off idle like the acc squirt is lacking. Power is down probably 15% because of the 009 and points, but that's common knowledge. Mallory's stromberg.gif so much Raby doesn't use them anymore. It's a $15k motor so I'd invest $500 for a 123ignition dizzy.
Still quite driveable in the city though the muffler is on the loud side. Does a respectable 2nd gear drift. Temps were fine on a 76* afternoon.

Body: Paint looks good except for the few places it's chipped off. A quick buff would really bring out the color. I did discover bondo though. Right front fender midway up and into the door 1/3. About 1/16" thick. Looks like a quick fix as I could of hammered it straight again and that's not my skill set. I'd likely spot paint the bad spots over a whole new paint job.

Another discovery is a big dent at the rear trunk lock. I'm guessing it got stuck and they tried to punch it out??? It's well hidden by the reflector.

A/C: Blows cold on a 76* afternoon - so basically it works, but how well when it's 110* I can't say. There is no Condenser fan -- just forced air while moving, but it looks like a low profile Radiator fan would fit.

RUST: Alot of the problem areas have been re-undercoated with some quality stuff. The door handle and battery tray you've seen. The rear trunk has rust that's been painted over and is kinda iffy.

OTHER: Shifting is a little sloppy even for a 914 -- I'd guess worn bushings or a loose screw. Pads squeak a bit on initial press but lock the fronts no problem. Tires are fresh -- mid 2017. Nothing but quality work throughout, except maybe the door speakers. Stereo is plenty loud.

SUMMARY: A solid driver that if it didn't need a dozen minor fixes would be a $20k 914 easily.

If you are serious and I missed something let me know by Sat 9th afternoon as I'll be in the neighborhood again for dinner.

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Posted by: zx-niner Nov 6 2019, 01:52 PM

Thanks for the review, Chris, and adding things I wouldn't have known how to look for. Just to confirm, the "down 15%" power thing is on the Raby dyno'd 170 horsepower, not the stock 914 horsepower of 70-100 hp.

It has current registration and license for California so no smog required to change title there.

Posted by: burton73 Nov 7 2019, 11:53 AM

A smog check is not required on a title or pink slip transfer or vehicle registration renewal if the vehicle's biennial smog certification was submitted to the DMV within 90 days prior to the transfer date.
https://www.smogtips.com/www.smogtips.com › california-vehicle-registration-dmv

Would your car pass a smog in CA if needed?

This is kind of a big deal in CA.


Bob B

Posted by: ValcoOscar Nov 7 2019, 12:27 PM

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A smog check is not required on a title or pink slip transfer or vehicle registration renewal if the vehicle's biennial smog certification was submitted to the DMV within 90 days prior to the transfer date.
https://www.smogtips.com/www.smogtips.com › california-vehicle-registration-dmv

Would your car pass a smog in CA if needed?

This is kind of a big deal in CA.


Bob B


I bought a 74 from out of state and brought it into California.
NO SMOG REQ'D. Identical 2270cc RABY engine.

Quick VIN verification at local AAA and DONE!!!! Quick and easy.

Oscar

Posted by: 2mAn Nov 7 2019, 04:39 PM

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I bought a 74 from out of state and brought it into California.
NO SMOG REQ'D. Identical 2270cc RABY engine.

Quick VIN verification at local AAA and DONE!!!! Quick and easy.

Oscar


ugh, I wish we had a chance to meet up this weekend... maybe in 2 weeks... this weekend Im not in town

Posted by: fiacra Nov 7 2019, 08:33 PM

QUOTE(burton73 @ Nov 7 2019, 09:53 AM) *

A smog check is not required on a title or pink slip transfer or vehicle registration renewal if the vehicle's biennial smog certification was submitted to the DMV within 90 days prior to the transfer date.
https://www.smogtips.com/www.smogtips.com › california-vehicle-registration-dmv

Would your car pass a smog in CA if needed?

This is kind of a big deal in CA.


Bob B



No smog check required on a 1975 or earlier vehicle here in California. Only needed if you have a MY 1976 or later.

Posted by: zx-niner Nov 13 2019, 12:58 PM

In my 12 years of ownership of the car, all California licensed and never lapsed, it has never required smog. The one time I brought a pre-1975 Nevada-registered 914 into California I was required to get a headlight check but no smog check. That car had been registered in California before going to Nevada, then back to California.

But to answer the original question, no, the car would not pass smog. To register in Clark County, Nevada, where I currently live, I would need a smog test and preliminary tests show it would not pass. However, it is pretty easy to register cars here as "Classics" or "Rods" and those do not need smog. I have chosen to retain the California registration with the intent to sell it.

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