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Posted by: paule Jul 1 2020, 09:18 PM
Interested in a 914 daily driver or better in Palma Green. 2L or 1.8L, prefer black interior. My 914 and first Porsche was 4752907106 purchased new 10/75. I don't think it still exists and therefore I'm looking for any nice one. I'd also consider a '76 in Viper Green as a good second choice
Posted by: Jett Jul 1 2020, 09:42 PM
Interested in a 914 daily driver or better in Palma Green. 2L or 1.8L, prefer black interior. My 914 and first Porsche was 4752907106 purchased new 10/75. I don't think it still exists and therefore I'm looking for any nice one. I'd also consider a '76 in Viper Green as a good second choice
We like the plaid interior as well.
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Posted by: paule Jul 2 2020, 09:37 AM
Interested in a 914 daily driver or better in Palma Green. 2L or 1.8L, prefer black interior. My 914 and first Porsche was 4752907106 purchased new 10/75. I don't think it still exists and therefore I'm looking for any nice one. I'd also consider a '76 in Viper Green as a good second choice
We like the plaid interior as well.
Nice, just like the one in the'75 sales brochure. I like the plaid interiors and would definitely consider it.
Posted by: JeffBowlsby Jul 2 2020, 11:31 AM
Be prepared for a long wait. Palma and Viper are two of the rarest 914 colors. I think I have only seen one (1) viper for sale over the last 20 years, about 7-8 years ago and only a couple in Palma. There are many other great 914 colors, finding a car in excellent condition, much less in a specific color, is challenging enough these days
Posted by: IronHillRestorations Jul 2 2020, 01:22 PM
Great color. The 6 I used to have was about the same color, with light buckskin interior.
Best of luck in your search, it's could take a while
Posted by: Jett Jul 2 2020, 03:08 PM
Be prepared for a long wait. Palma and Viper are two of the rarest 914 colors. I think I have only seen one (1) viper for sale over the last 20 years, about 7-8 years ago and only a couple in Palma. There are many other great 914 colors, finding a car in excellent condition, much less in a specific color, is challenging enough these days
Agreed. We have a 75 1.8 in Palma that we bought out of Thousand Oaks, she is rust free but has not run in 20 years... we plan on putting a 6 in it, but if you are looking for a project...
Posted by: Jett Jul 2 2020, 03:09 PM
Interested in a 914 daily driver or better in Palma Green. 2L or 1.8L, prefer black interior. My 914 and first Porsche was 4752907106 purchased new 10/75. I don't think it still exists and therefore I'm looking for any nice one. I'd also consider a '76 in Viper Green as a good second choice
We like the plaid interior as well.
Nice, just like the one in the'75 sales brochure. I like the plaid interiors and would definitely consider it.
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Posted by: paule Jul 2 2020, 03:11 PM
Great color. The 6 I used to have was about the same color, with light buckskin interior.
Best of luck in your search, it's could take a while
I have been watching for some time. I've seen several for sale over the last few years and have contacted two current owners. One since 2007 and the other for a couple of years. They just aren't ready to sell although one seems close. About two years ago I had a chance to buy one sold by Barbour that was very nice. About two months ago Beverly Hills Car Club had a decent daily driver which I inquired about but it sold within two days. They currently have one that needs restoring but I'm not looking to take on a project.
Posted by: dirtfarmer13 Jul 3 2020, 10:35 PM
Great color. The 6 I used to have was about the same color, with light buckskin interior.
Best of luck in your search, it's could take a while
I have been watching for some time. I've seen several for sale over the last few years and have contacted two current owners. One since 2007 and the other for a couple of years. They just aren't ready to sell although one seems close. About two years ago I had a chance to buy one sold by Barbour that was very nice. About two months ago Beverly Hills Car Club had a decent daily driver which I inquired about but it sold within two days. They currently have one that needs restoring but I'm not looking to take on a project.
Hi new to the site , I saw your looking for a viper green 2.0 . I have a 1976 thats a solid car Has new plaid seats . we might be willing to sell.
Posted by: paule Jul 4 2020, 02:35 PM
Great color. The 6 I used to have was about the same color, with light buckskin interior.
Best of luck in your search, it's could take a while
I have been watching for some time. I've seen several for sale over the last few years and have contacted two current owners. One since 2007 and the other for a couple of years. They just aren't ready to sell although one seems close. About two years ago I had a chance to buy one sold by Barbour that was very nice. About two months ago Beverly Hills Car Club had a decent daily driver which I inquired about but it sold within two days. They currently have one that needs restoring but I'm not looking to take on a project.
Hi new to the site , I saw your looking for a viper green 2.0 . I have a 1976 thats a solid car Has new plaid seats . we might be willing to sell.
PM sent
Posted by: bcsellie Jul 5 2020, 09:48 PM
https://classics.autotrader.com/classic-cars/1975/porsche/914/101325374
Posted by: Mikey914 Jul 5 2020, 11:21 PM
I'd be curious if it was a tan interior car. Sure looks like they just slapped an interior in. If you are considering it GET A GOOD INSPECTION from those guys.
Posted by: dirtfarmer13 Jul 6 2020, 09:30 PM
Posted by: Mikey914 Jul 7 2020, 02:17 AM
Nice looking rig. Love the Viper green
Posted by: stevesc_us Jul 7 2020, 11:30 PM
Great color. The 6 I used to have was about the same color, with light buckskin interior.
Best of luck in your search, it's could take a while
I always wondered how close Palma Green was to my Metallic Green 6 that I sold a few years back. Still miss her.
Posted by: dirtfarmer13 Jul 8 2020, 06:00 PM
seats from 914rubber
Posted by: paule Jul 17 2020, 11:29 PM
Still interested....
Posted by: lostreasure Jul 19 2020, 04:20 PM
viper green
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Posted by: paule Aug 3 2020, 09:17 AM
Bump
Posted by: paule Aug 20 2020, 09:47 AM
bump
Posted by: dirtfarmer13 Aug 21 2020, 12:31 PM
I have the 1976 98b car with plaid seats willing to sell as is , thanks dirt
Posted by: rjames Aug 21 2020, 12:43 PM
I have the 1976 98b car with plaid seats willing to sell as is , thanks dirt
Would love to see some more pictures...
Posted by: paule Aug 21 2020, 02:31 PM
I've decided to keep looking for Palma Green and not compromise on a Viper Green even though they are great looking too. PG just has more personal meaning.
Posted by: dirtfarmer13 Aug 21 2020, 03:06 PM
I've decided to keep looking for Palma Green and not compromise on a Viper Green even though they are great looking too. PG just has more personal meaning.
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Posted by: IronHillRestorations Aug 21 2020, 04:03 PM
Looks like the one to me! How much??
Posted by: paule Sep 17 2020, 09:17 PM
bump
Posted by: dirtfarmer13 Sep 18 2020, 07:09 AM
bump
Posted by: Jett Sep 18 2020, 08:59 AM
bump
Car looks great
Posted by: FlacaProductions Sep 18 2020, 09:44 AM
Good for you @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=7797 - patience pays off - stick with it and get what you want. It's out there. Putting the word out like this is smart - they're not going to come find YOU! Best of luck!
Posted by: dirtfarmer13 Sep 18 2020, 11:31 AM
Good for you @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=7797 - patience pays off - stick with it and get what you want. It's out there. Putting the word out like this is smart - they're not going to come find YOU! Best of luck!
Posted by: paule Sep 22 2020, 02:38 PM
Good for you @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=7797 - patience pays off - stick with it and get what you want. It's out there. Putting the word out like this is smart - they're not going to come find YOU! Best of luck!
Thanks, I've been in contact on one since 2009 and another for about 5-6 years. Understandably, they're not ready to sell.
Posted by: paule Oct 3 2020, 10:25 AM
bump
Posted by: Jett Oct 3 2020, 10:33 AM
Love your determination! Our 75 Palma 2.0 is having its motor rebuilt and engine compartment re-sprayed to complete the restoration. The car looks as good underneath as it does from the top. The car is not restored to our Delphi’s level, but it is probably the nicest 75 Palma 2.0 — even has an NOS carpet from George.
We just bought a 69 911s motor and 70 911 2.0 motor to do a conversion (clone) on our 75 Palma 1.8 car, so we might want to sell the 2.0 in the future but it will cost north of $60k or trade for a splitty, which the 911s motor will go into 
Posted by: paule Oct 23 2020, 02:28 PM
Bump
Posted by: paule Nov 9 2020, 10:50 PM
bump, still interested.
Posted by: Jett Nov 10 2020, 11:21 PM
Here are a few shots of the engine bay work... the color is amazing
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Posted by: 914werke Nov 11 2020, 12:46 AM
Posted by: Jett Nov 11 2020, 09:54 AM
Mark does this work himself...
Posted by: paule Dec 15 2020, 11:36 AM
bump to front page
Posted by: paule Jan 23 2021, 12:41 PM
Bump
Posted by: paule Feb 24 2021, 09:02 PM
still hoping
Posted by: Jett Feb 24 2021, 10:11 PM
Here is some inspiration...
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Posted by: paule Feb 28 2021, 05:36 PM
Here is some inspiration...
Tease
Posted by: paule Apr 2 2021, 07:28 PM
Anyone?
Posted by: paule Jun 7 2021, 11:38 AM
I'm still looking and also would appreciate any referrals.
Posted by: JeffBowlsby Jul 30 2021, 06:11 PM
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=7797
Could it be Palma metallic?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/144132837351?hash=item218efc8fe7:g:QmoAAOSwrANhBBIP
Posted by: Jett Jul 30 2021, 09:06 PM
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=7797
Could it be Palma metallic?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/144132837351?hash=item218efc8fe7:g:QmoAAOSwrANhBBIP
I believe you are correct.
Posted by: Jett Jul 31 2021, 09:33 AM
Between the one Rich has and this Craig’s list car, if they don’t do the trick then you better increase budget.
Posted by: iankarr Jul 31 2021, 11:10 PM
Hang in there...I found my ravenna car this way and it took over a year. It will happen....
Posted by: JeffBowlsby Aug 1 2021, 09:28 AM
Yet another:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/224537514992?hash=item34477a93f0:g:lL0AAOSw5jZg82-r
Posted by: paule Aug 1 2021, 02:31 PM
Yet another:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/224537514992?hash=item34477a93f0:g:lL0AAOSw5jZg82-r
I contacted Beverly Hills Car Club when it was first listed. The car code is L95K however the exterior respray is something other than Palma Green.
Another L95K was listed on ebay but more project than I want https://www.ebay.com/itm/144132837351 The seller sent me many detailed pictures of the undercarriage, metal in trunks, along with a pict of the L95K code.
Posted by: JeffBowlsby Aug 1 2021, 04:35 PM
You are looking for a unicorn. An extremely rare color and you’ve been shown several options after a year of looking. Pick one, fix what does not meet your expectations and be content.
Posted by: JeffBowlsby Aug 1 2021, 04:35 PM
DP.
Posted by: 914lover17 Aug 2 2021, 09:02 PM
Interested in a 914 daily driver or better in Palma Green. 2L or 1.8L, prefer black interior. My 914 and first Porsche was 4752907106 purchased new 10/75. I don't think it still exists and therefore I'm looking for any nice one. I'd also consider a '76 in Viper Green as a good second choice
We like the plaid interior as well.
Nice, just like the one in the'75 sales brochure. I like the plaid interiors and would definitely consider it.
I always thought that was Zambezi green lol
Posted by: 930cabman Aug 3 2021, 04:39 PM
The green example at BHCC is a sweet looking ride, other than the radio. Simple fix, I would jump for sure at this one, or at minimum dig into it for a really close look. Price seems fair.
Posted by: 930cabman Aug 11 2021, 10:16 AM
I was the low bidder on this example:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/144132837351?hash=...moAAOSwrANhBBIP
A local 914 enthusiast offered to inspect and drive the car and he gave it a thumbs up. Sure, the (original) paint is badly faded and needs some work, but I did not fork out $30 or 40k. It's on the way should be here Friday. Sure, it's almost 50 years old and needs a bit of work, but for me and many of us that is a big part of the adventure.
Posted by: paule Nov 16 2021, 11:55 AM
Has anyone heard from Rich D. at 914werke lately. I've been working on completing a deal over many months but late summer communications stopped. Left messages on his phone, sent emails, both directly and through 914werke contact form over the last several months but no response.
Please PM me if you have a way to get in contact with Rich or let him know I'd like to talk to him. Thanks
Posted by: Jett Nov 16 2021, 12:11 PM
Has anyone heard from Rich D. at 914werke lately. I've been working on completing a deal over many months but late summer communications stopped. Left messages on his phone, sent emails, both directly and through 914werke contact form over the last several months but no response.
Please PM me if you have a way to get in contact with Rich or let him know I'd like to talk to him. Thanks
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=453
Posted by: 914werke Nov 16 2021, 12:41 PM
Hey folks thanks for ping.
Be assured Ill reach out asap.
Posted by: paule Apr 1 2022, 07:36 PM
Still interested in hearing from someone willing to complete a sale.
Posted by: MCShack Apr 2 2022, 11:43 AM
Still interested in hearing from someone willing to complete a sale.
There is '75 1.8L in Zambezi on BaT right now, I know it's not Palma, but...
Posted by: paule Apr 2 2022, 11:53 AM
Still interested in hearing from someone willing to complete a sale.
There is '75 1.8L in Zambezi on BaT right now, I know it's not Palma, but...
Thanks but it is Palma L95K or nothing
Posted by: paule Apr 2 2022, 04:47 PM
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=453
Posted by: 930cabman Apr 3 2022, 06:04 AM
Got one, what are your requirements?
Posted by: paule Apr 3 2022, 08:21 AM
Got one, what are your requirements?
pm sent
Posted by: swood Apr 3 2022, 09:30 PM
My motivation and time is coming back to me...
My Palma color in the sun is so nice. The seats were factory tan. Not sure if i want to stick with vinyl or something more comfortable. Not a big deal at this point.
Posted by: paule Apr 3 2022, 10:07 PM
My motivation and time is coming back to me...
My Palma color in the sun is so nice. The seats were factory tan. Not sure if i want to stick with vinyl or something more comfortable. Not a big deal at this point.
Nice looking solid example. Let me know if you lose your motivation.
Posted by: Jett Apr 4 2022, 09:10 AM
My motivation and time is coming back to me...
My Palma color in the sun is so nice. The seats were factory tan. Not sure if i want to stick with vinyl or something more comfortable. Not a big deal at this point.
Nice car.
Posted by: bretth Apr 4 2022, 12:55 PM
I have one but unless you like lots of rust repair, it's super crusty but I intend to try and save it one of these days.
Posted by: paule Apr 4 2022, 02:13 PM
I have one but unless you like lots of rust repair, it's super crusty but I intend to try and save it one of these days.
I'm looking a daily driver to a nice survivor, rust is an issue. I'd consider a project if any body issues are minimal or repairs are well documented. The car just above would be an excellent project. The only other exception for a project is if my original car was found, 07106, but I don't think it exists.
Posted by: paule Oct 10 2022, 03:20 PM
Careful what you wish for.....
I sent a cashier's check for a 1975 PG 2L project in March based on previous emails, pictures, and descriptions in phone conversations over the last couple of years. Up to that point I was told it would be available but there were other customers with cars that needed to get on the road and the '75 was a low priority.
The car was shipped in July. An earlier email stated the car included Mahle wheels, center console, fog lights and CA emissions. The seller sent a picture of the car on the transport and it had stock VW steel wheels. I emailed immediately and asked if the Mahles were in the car and if not, to ship them along with any other missing parts.
When the car arrived it was missing the Mahles, center console and fog lights. I didn't check on the CA emissions. It had more rust than described. It turns out the few photos provided were years old when the seller first acquired the car. The interior needs to be replaced although described as decent with no dash cracks. Cracks in the dash and door panel. I tried calling the seller with no response so an email was sent. The seller emailed back that the Mahles were scrapped and the car never had the other items. However, he emailed I could return the car but it would be at my expense. I immediately replied I would ship it back. All this time the car was stored 100 miles away at a shop where I intended to have it restored, bachracecraft.com
The seller afterwards demanded I sign a contract before I ship it back. I responded I had started the arrangements for shipping. I didn't hear anything for days until I emailed the seller the car was picked up and was on the way back. The letter containing the title was also returned unopened at the same time. Hours later I received an email with the contract which said I agreed to purchase the car as-is and would be responsible for any costs due to shipping, any alterations or damage, and any missing parts if returned. My lawyer advised me to not sign as it was not specific and open ended to allow any amount of money to be kept along with the car.
The seller refused delivery when it arrived at his business so the car was held at a secure storage facility in the area. The seller completely stopped communicating and ignored registered letters and calls from my lawyer. After five days I had the car shipped back to avoid more daily storage charges. It is back at the restoration shop where I haven't seen the car since it was first delivered. The unopened letter with the title was returned back to me.
I've hesitated posting anything about this since there would be no point of any discussion taking one side or the other. I have not been able to verify if the CA emissions was included yet. The restoration shop was involved with events at Road America and my car has been sitting to the side.
I looked it over when it first arrived briefly discussing the condition with the shop owner and taking a tour of the facility, all taking about two hours. The off the cuff estimate to restore was $40K, in rough condition but restorable. They will do a deeper assessment of body and mechanics so I can make a decision to go forward or sell the car. Odds are it will be sold to cut losses.
Posted by: dstudeba Oct 10 2022, 04:13 PM
That really stinks. I have been following this thread as I love the Palma Green color also so I am interested as to how hard one is to acquire. Best of luck in your quest.
Posted by: Freezin 914 Oct 10 2022, 08:13 PM
Sorry to hear this happened to you. May I ask which shop it’s at?
Posted by: 930cabman Oct 11 2022, 10:00 AM
From what I understand Palma Green is a one year only color, how many exist in decent condition? I know it's a desirable color.
Best of luck with your search
Posted by: paule Oct 11 2022, 10:30 AM
Sorry to hear this happened to you. May I ask which shop it’s at?
It's currently at http://bachracecraft.com in Verona, WI. It was shipped from Seattle WA.
Posted by: paule Oct 11 2022, 10:36 AM
From what I understand Palma Green is a one year only color, how many exist in decent condition? I know it's a desirable color.
Best of luck with your search
It is a one year color, L95K, and was the color of my first Porsche purchased new October 1975. Thanks for BoL.
Posted by: r_towle Oct 12 2022, 06:07 PM
Like this?
Posted by: fiacra Oct 13 2022, 01:05 PM
Ugh....As painful as it must have been to do so, thank you for sharing your experience. We all learn from each others experiences. Don't let it deter you. I've always found that if something falls through or burns us, there is always something better on the horizon. I'll certainly keep an eye out for a car that meets your requirements.
Posted by: paule Oct 13 2022, 08:34 PM
Ugh....As painful as it must have been to do so, thank you for sharing your experience. We all learn from each others experiences. Don't let it deter you. I've always found that if something falls through or burns us, there is always something better on the horizon. I'll certainly keep an eye out for a car that meets your requirements.
Thanks, there is still a slim chance of buying a car from a reputable dealer that has a customer with the car I'm interested in. My mistake was taking too much for granted dealing with a long time member/business here.
Posted by: mepstein Oct 13 2022, 10:46 PM
I always recommend driving or flying out to see the car. It sounds expensive until you have to deal with problems you didn’t expect. We all have our own perception of condition.
Posted by: mepstein Oct 13 2022, 10:47 PM
DP
Posted by: paule Oct 13 2022, 11:11 PM
I always recommend driving or flying out to see the car. It sounds expensive until you have to deal with problems you didn’t expect. We all have our own perception of condition.
I agree but would add you'd also have to observe the car being put on the transport to ensure parts aren't stripped before shipping. In this case, pictures and an email stated the parts to be included but were removed before shipping. Condition is subjective but showing and listing specific parts to be included is not. Steel wheels vs Mahles, yeah he won't notice.
Posted by: 930cabman Oct 18 2022, 05:27 PM
Unfortunate, sound like you are dealing with a bad dude. Best of luck
Maybe you can send the boys over and rough him up a bit
Posted by: 930cabman Oct 21 2022, 05:02 AM
If the example in your possession is solid, you may consider cutting you losses and move ahead. The number of PG examples is small and those being solid is less.
Posted by: paule Oct 21 2022, 08:50 AM
If the example in your possession is solid, you may consider cutting you losses and move ahead. The number of PG examples is small and those being solid is less.
That is being considered. The car is at a shop and the next step is to do a deep evaluation of condition and to get it running and then I will decide from there. I sent another email to the seller requesting the missing parts but doubt he will respond. He's still posting on this site so I assume he has seen the email.
Posted by: paule Nov 30 2022, 10:16 PM
The business has been unresponsive to emails and phone calls. Complaints against the business have been filed with the state of Wisconsin department of Consumer Protection and the state of Washington Attorney Generals Office at the end of October.
Last week I requested a PPS from PCNA. In phone conversations, PCNA unofficially stated the car was built as a 1.8L not a 2L and confirmed by the format of the engine numbers and online public information the engine GC004587, albeit a 2L, and transmission HA01105 are from 1976 production. I'll have formal documentation in 1-2 weeks regarding a factory 1.8L build however the preliminary information was added to the complaints that the description of car (over time, phone calls and emails) was misleading.
Posted by: rhodyguy Dec 4 2022, 09:19 AM
I can only hope you prevail. Go get em’. No quarter, no mercy.
Posted by: 930cabman Dec 4 2022, 06:11 PM
The business has been unresponsive to emails and phone calls. Complaints against the business have been filed with the state of Wisconsin department of Consumer Protection and the state of Washington Attorney Generals Office at the end of October.
Last week I requested a PPS from PCNA. In phone conversations, PCNA unofficially stated the car was built as a 1.8L not a 2L and confirmed by the format of the engine numbers and online public information the engine GC004587, albeit a 2L, and transmission HA01105 are from 1976 production. I'll have formal documentation in 1-2 weeks regarding a factory 1.8L build however the preliminary information was added to the complaints that the description of car (over time, phone calls and emails) was misleading.
Send the boys to his front door, see if he changes his tune
Another tack would be to leave the negative in the past and move forward and get her running/driving/looking good
Posted by: paule Dec 4 2022, 07:43 PM
The business has been unresponsive to emails and phone calls. Complaints against the business have been filed with the state of Wisconsin department of Consumer Protection and the state of Washington Attorney Generals Office at the end of October.
Last week I requested a PPS from PCNA. In phone conversations, PCNA unofficially stated the car was built as a 1.8L not a 2L and confirmed by the format of the engine numbers and online public information the engine GC004587, albeit a 2L, and transmission HA01105 are from 1976 production. I'll have formal documentation in 1-2 weeks regarding a factory 1.8L build however the preliminary information was added to the complaints that the description of car (over time, phone calls and emails) was misleading.
Send the boys to his front door, see if he changes his tune
Another tack would be to leave the negative in the past and move forward and get her running/driving/looking good
Good advice. I'm waiting for others to complete their work first. I received the official PPS document, it is a 1.8L. A copy of the document was sent to the two state agencies as both were interested in the new information.
Posted by: paule Jan 21 2023, 10:28 AM
Complaints filed with Washington State Attorney General Office, case 629217, and State of Wisconsin – Consumer Protection, case 134896, October 2022.
Business Name: 914werke
3514 NE 88th Street
Seattle, WA 98115
Bus Phone: (206) 455-3834
Email: info@914werke.com
Website: 914werke.com
Awaiting response from 914werke or the business attorney, Mr. B Bradford Kogut, for resolution.
Posted by: Craigers17 Jan 21 2023, 05:39 PM
Really none of my business, but my 2 cents would be to try to "squash" this. Whenever you buy a car sight unseen, the expectations/representations of said car are subjective. If you have written documentation that the car was supposed to come with Mahles, fog lights, emissions, etc., at "XXX" price in the same document, then I can see your beef.
Other than that, degree of rust can be subjective. Have you actually seen the car in person yet? I'm not trying to take sides or be argumentative, but you might already have a solid base ready for you to restore or have someone else restore. It's gonna be a lot more rewarding the sooner you can drive it, rather than to litigate it to death or search for a unicorn that you're not even sure still exists.
Also, again not taking sides, but Rich is a well respected member of the community. Honestly I don't know him at all, but I have purchased a handful of parts from him at reasonable prices with no drama, and they have all been received in "as advertised" or "better than advertised" condition. I really wish you the best in your restoration and hope you guys can bury this and move on.
Posted by: Front yard mechanic Jan 21 2023, 06:18 PM
Posted by: paule Jan 21 2023, 06:47 PM
Really none of my business, but my 2 cents would be to try to "squash" this. Whenever you buy a car sight unseen, the expectations/representations of said car are subjective. If you have written documentation that the car was supposed to come with Mahles, fog lights, emissions, etc., at "XXX" price in the same document, then I can see your beef.
I have the emails listing parts plus pictures taken by seller of the car, both as offered and when the shipper picked it up showing steel wheels. Emailed seller immediately to ship Mahles plus any other missing parts from description. Plus I have emails the car was a complete 2L..No mention that it is '75 1.8L with a '76 2L engine.
Posted by: paule Jan 21 2023, 06:54 PM
Extensive comprehensive documentation was provided to both state agencies.
Posted by: rick 918-S Jan 22 2023, 07:18 AM
Why don't you sell it on and look for another car. What did you pay for it? If you didn't want a project that does not look like the car you really want anyway.
Posted by: mepstein Jan 22 2023, 10:19 AM
I hope both parties can work it out. Life is too short to fight about old cars. 
Posted by: vitamin914 Jan 22 2023, 06:34 PM
I can see you are looking for moral support or vindication, but that is not fair to ask for that on this forum.
Why? because it involves another member. It was a private transaction that, other than those directly involved, we collectively know nothing about. No proof to what was said, shown or promised. It is unfair to take either side.
The car looks far from numbers matching great. I would be surprised if it was offered as anything other than as is. If there were items missing that were promised or implied that is a different matter and maybe a matter of interpretation. The fact that it was sold as 2.0L and it had at 2.0L engine, how is that a misrepresentation? 
You had to get the records to prove it was built as a 1.8, so what?
Man, with those photos... somehow this is starting to look like a "sour grapes" purchase that the restoration will be more involved than was hoped. Caveat emptor or buyer beware comes to mind. If the two parties cannot come to a resolution, your only option is to go to court to have it addressed. Public consumer agencies are not going to be your solution. A judge has to decide where this ends and if there was any intent of misrepresentation or just a case of misinterpretation. I am guessing that the Mahles were "expected" because they were on the car in that photo. That could be a point of contention.
So many times there have been posts about checking the car out yourself or paying a third party to do it for you. Very wise words for everyone to remember. Possibly missing items aside, it avoids screwing yourself with unrealistic rose coloured glasses of sentimentalism giving you different expectations.
I just restored my 1983 Firebird (that I have had since new) and that cost almost double what I originally paid for it. Sentimentalism is expensive.
Best of luck. Like @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=10825 said, life is too short to fight over old cars.
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