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Posted by: porsha916 Jul 23 2021, 07:07 AM

Mihlay Mik, Agreed to purchase a 914 project from me on marketplace than backed out or wanted a much cheaper price! lied, called me a scammer, filed a complaint with paypal! I tried to sweeten the deal! he's Still being a jerk!

Posted by: mepstein Jul 23 2021, 07:24 AM

Lots of those "buyers" these days. Everyone is trying to jump on the bandwagon and make some money from classic cars.

Posted by: hockeymutt Jul 23 2021, 09:32 AM

Hey that’s me! How about you tell the truth.

Seller here listed a car for sale, I sent a deposit and said we’d work out a price in person. Told him I would show up with all cash and he could refund the deposit when I showed up. The seller (porscha) stated he’d like to have the car moved in a week or so. My father who was going to help me with the transport had something come up and couldn’t make the trip. Renting a truck and trailer one way or even shipping it was cost prohibitive. Called this guy when I found out roughly less than 24 hours. Seller stated he was closing on his house next week and need it picked up before that or slightly after. Have a lot going on weddings ,vacation, toddler, work/life and stated I wouldn’t be able to make it for 2 or so weekends. Seller said it wouldn’t work as he had a family reunion. So I was essentially forced into this weekend or no deal. Sent him a message stating our timelines were not going to sync up and asked for my deposit back minus $100 as a gesture as I didn’t want to hold up a sale. Seems like once he found out I couldn’t make it this weekend, he knew he had my deposit so why not make any easier then it needed to be.

Porscha all of sudden wasn’t closing next week and just wanted it gone. I felt like I was lied to and put under the screws for no reason. Also made me rethink everything I was told about the car. He said he was keeping my deposit since I was wasted “over a week of his time” more like 48 hours. My hands were tied and no accommodations were even offered to me. So he essentially made this car unable to be picked up. Other than one day. So not sure how I’m the cock sucker here I wanted the car but it’s hard to finish a deal when it can’t be picked up.. even offered to pay him to trailer it half way. Guess that wasn’t an option.

Told him at this point I’d be at 1400 for the car plus a few hundred in parts if he could wait the 2 weekends.

I filed a dispute with PayPal, because wasn’t fully made aware of this made up dead line. If I would have know I had to pick up 5 days later never would have sent a deposit. I would have completed the deal the weekend i got back from vacation but was told that wasn’t an option. I normally would chalk up the deposit as a loss but since it was mutual timing issue the right thing would have been to refund it to me. If he didn’t lie and just kept his pants on he would have had a pocket full of cash.

Also something to think about this guy has 4 cars for sale and not one has sold, if he is going to lie about a timeline what else is he hiding?

PS: bill I hope you eat a big bag of dicks I could have put you on blast but didn’t since we were adults. Good luck and life and remember karmas a mother fucker

Posted by: MidEngineCrisis Jul 23 2021, 09:57 AM

That's definitely a concern. I inquired about one, got no response, then saw all the other ads bumped to the top.

Posted by: hockeymutt Jul 23 2021, 10:03 AM

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Posted by: rhodyguy Jul 23 2021, 10:27 AM

WOW! nightmare senerio.

Posted by: 930cabman Jul 23 2021, 10:43 AM

Lets hope they get it settled peacefully. Maybe a miscommunication or maybe some ill will. Generally these sort of deals work out well, but every so often they can get sour quick.

#1 rule: buyer beware

Posted by: mepstein Jul 23 2021, 10:52 AM

I've met Hockeymutt in person and he's a good guy - not a cheesy flipper. I hope buyer and seller can work this out.

I don't keep buyers deposits even if the issue is with them. Part of the buying/selling game is wasting some time on some deals and having others that fall in to your lap. It's just life.

Posted by: 930cabman Jul 23 2021, 10:58 AM

Karma is alive and well and does not forget. When all is said and done the only thing we have left is our word

Posted by: hockeymutt Jul 23 2021, 11:00 AM

Hey mark! Thank you for the kind words. I do I still would by this lol. I wasn’t try to be a “jerk” but felt like my deposit was being held ransom to so I filed a dispute. If seller would have came up with an accommodating plan that worked for both of us I would have bought it. But he’s essentially trying to force my hand not a friendly way to do business.

I remained friendly and civil throughout, until someone tries to drag my name through the mud for their unwillingness to help.

Posted by: hockeymutt Jul 23 2021, 11:32 AM

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Also to note this guy already had a $500 deposit and when I showed interest in another thing he had listed he wanted more money. Red flags everywhere

Posted by: mate914 Jul 23 2021, 11:44 AM

Hi... My father and I are the "Vultures".
I saw the cars he was selling. He was asking for twice what each car was worth.
They were ruts buckets...
I don't think one had a league title. (non-notarized)
All bumper, hoods, lids where rusty and bent.
Bill talked so much about himself, we never got to ask prices "1.5hours".
Was told by his wife, they "the car parts" had to be out by the 20th.
Something smells fishy.
Matt

Posted by: rhodyguy Jul 23 2021, 12:18 PM

Good example of how NOT to sell cars.

Posted by: TomE Jul 23 2021, 12:19 PM

Matt meant legal title and I hope I am not a vulture! LOL That was a 3 hour trip and one lousy cheesesteak we ate for nothing. Some of the interior stuff was nice but other parts were overpriced but hey if you can sell it for that go ahead. Just not to me. My offer stands. $1000.00 for the yellow car, I don't need it I have 3 other projects but he sounded like the stuff had to go now!

Posted by: TomE Jul 23 2021, 12:21 PM

P.S. I hope you can work out the deal for the project car also. I hate seeing these little cars rust up and not get back on the road. That was my goal with the yellow car. Make it a drivable 914 again.

Posted by: Andy338 Jul 23 2021, 02:35 PM

I currently don’t own a 914 but I would like to. I’ve been lurking on the forum and it has great information. I have nothing to add, other than I have bought and sold a number of British motorcycles and I have always been okay with returning a deposit if a sale doesn’t go through. I would imagine that the 914 community like the British bike community is fairly small. I came across the OP’s adds on Facebook market place while visiting my brother who lives close to the seller. I have to say I really like the 914 with the v8 rover engine that he has for sale. Although I never got the chance to see it in person

Andy

Posted by: 76-914 Jul 23 2021, 04:23 PM

If the seller had previously stated that "the Deposit" was non-refundable then he would be entitled to keep it. Otherwise it should be refunded, in full. JMHO

Posted by: Front yard mechanic Jul 23 2021, 07:20 PM

New Jersey and New Yorkers avoidance alert

Posted by: hockeymutt Jul 24 2021, 04:48 AM

Who me personally?

Posted by: mepstein Jul 24 2021, 05:51 AM

I don't think you really mean that. We just had an east coast 914 event, many people from NJ/NY and all wonderful folks.

Posted by: porsha916 Jul 24 2021, 07:41 AM

I am moving, and selling my collection! we made a deal, changed his mind! If you have the time to waste read the saga! I told paypal, he could he could pay the rest of the money $2000 and send a transport to pickup the car! I perfer not to see him in person!!!!!!!!

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Mihlay sent July 16 at 8:16 PM
Hey bill interested happen to have any more pictures he’ll hole and behind the passenger seat
Mihlay Mik
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Mihlay sent July 16 at 8:16 PM
Send a quick response
Tap a response to send it to the buyer.
Mihlay Mik
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Mihlay sent July 16 at 8:17 PM
You can call or text me at (973) 919-8290 if it’s more convenient
Fri 11:02 PM
You sent July 16 at 11:02 PM
I do not have cell service at my house! give me a call tomorrow! 607-659-7162. take care bill
Sat 11:04 AM
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Mihlay sent July 17 at 11:04 AM
Thanks bill I’ll give you a ring here in a bit
Sat 4:17 PM
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Mihlay sent July 17 at 4:17 PM
Hey Bill nice talking you, you can consider this sold. Can send you a deposit and we can work out the price and details in person
Sat 10:43 PM
You sent July 17 at 10:43 PM
can you do a deposit through paypal?
Sun 6:41 AM
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Mihlay sent July 18 at 6:41 AM
Sure can let me know, what your PayPal is
Sun 9:09 AM
You sent July 18 at 9:09 AM
is $500 ok , send your paypal email and I will request cash!
Mihlay Mik
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Mihlay sent July 18 at 9:10 AM
Yea that’s fine it’s hockeymutt144@yahoo.com
Mihlay sent July 18 at 9:10 AM
Will show up at Mihaly Pazar
Mihlay Mik
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Mihlay sent July 18 at 9:11 AM
You sent July 18 at 9:11 AM
Then I will hold it for you! I would like to have it moved within a week! and the remainder in Cash!
Mihlay Mik
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Mihlay sent July 18 at 9:14 AM
Have a wedding this weekend up near you on Saturday might be able to swing by Sunday or Monday
Mihlay sent July 18 at 9:14 AM
Also have to line up a trailer and truck but that should be easy
You sent July 18 at 9:14 AM
that is fine! 607-659-7162 , 486 candor hill rd , Candor, NY
Mihlay Mik
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Mihlay sent July 18 at 9:15 AM
Awesome I’ll get this over to you ASAP
Sun 1:53 PM
You sent July 18 at 1:53 PM
the paypal has not come through!!
Mihlay Mik
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Mihlay sent July 18 at 1:53 PM
Hey bill at the vets with my dogs, I’ll send it once I get home
Mihlay Mik
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Mihlay sent July 18 at 1:53 PM
You sent July 18 at 2:03 PM
sure
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Mihlay sent July 18 at 2:10 PM
Sorry for the delay, toddler and trying to wrangle 2 dogs
Sun 3:51 PM
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Mihlay sent July 18 at 3:53 PM
Sent
Mihlay sent July 18 at 3:53 PM
I’ll bring all cash and just have you cancel the transaction once I get up there
Sun 11:01 PM
You sent July 18 at 11:01 PM
that's fine!
Mon 2:10 PM
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Mihlay sent July 19 at 2:10 PM
Hey also interested in that engine you posted up the 1.8
Tue 9:56 AM
You sent July 20 at 9:56 AM
the engine I will need the money for the engine if you want me to hold it for you.
Wed 7:42 AM
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Mihlay sent July 21 at 7:43 AM
Hey bill my apologies for this don’t think this is gonna work out, our stars aren’t aligning. shipping via truck is around 600-1000 to my house. I would have loved this project
Mihlay sent July 21 at 7:43 AM
And my dad is trying to do a bunch this weekend
Mihlay sent July 21 at 7:43 AM
Also don’t want to hold you up since your closing next week.
Wed 8:43 AM
You sent July 21 at 8:43 AM
you are no holding up the closing, don't have a date yet, just trying to get things done!
Wed 9:11 AM
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Mihlay sent July 21 at 9:11 AM
Wed 3:29 PM
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Mihlay sent July 21 at 3:29 PM
Yea I just don’t want to hold it up, and more I’m thinking about it the more I’m realizing this is the making of a bad idea. If you don’t mind could you refund my deposit? You can even keep $100 of it as an apology
Wed 4:18 PM
You sent July 21 at 4:18 PM
I know this is a project 914, but you could buy do a little work on and turn around sell it for more! I just don't have the time to sell it for more! I will take it off pending ! If I sell it in the next week I will consider giving some or all of your deposit Back!
Wed 6:58 PM
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Mihlay sent July 21 at 6:58 PM
No offense bill, I was all for this till our calendars didn’t sync up. With all the extra rush that was put on my end for no reason I might add. I sat and gave this a long thought. Also we never fully agreed on a price. Coming from one vet to another, I don’t consider very “brotherly”. And makes me reconsider the deal as a whole.
Wed 11:35 PM
You sent July 21 at 11:35 PM
you waisted at least a week of my time trying to sell the 914, That is what a deposit is for, to keep people that are not serious away! we will see what happens, its back up for sale! Take care Bill
Thu 1:29 AM
Mihlay Mik
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Mihlay sent Yesterday at 1:29 AM
Deposit was sent Sunday night, more like 48-72 hours. You also have 4 cars up that all haven’t sold. So I’m pretty the 48 hours didn’t really matter anyways. Seems odd, maybe this was a scam? But whatever helps you sleep at night. I would have still bought if I could have picked it up after my vacation and your trip but wasn’t made available to me, because of said “closing” so this is equally your problem as it was mine.. you essentially gave me 1 possible day to pick this up and knew my timeline. I was 100% serious about buying this but when I feel rushed for no reason and fed a line of non sense just to get this picked up is kinda messed up. I’ve given tons of deposits back, and given the circumstances of your time restriction that you falsely created that for all I know at this point was made to essentially not make it so i could pick this up. purposely forcing my hand to back out. If I was fully made aware of this I wouldn’t have made the deposit. “You said a week or so” but was more like this weekend or nothing.
Thu 10:19 AM
You sent Yesterday at 10:19 AM
Maybe we can go in different direction!!!! I have a ton of 914 parts, maybe I could sweeten the deal for you to follow through, like add a bunch of parts that you could sell or keep! I have some vultures that are offering scrap metal prices for my remaining parts (I will put into storage unit, but I rather not!) think about it!!! Things can be sold fairly easily but it will take some time!!
Mihlay Mik
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Mihlay sent Yesterday at 10:32 AM
To be honest bill that was the plan to bring extra cash to pick up extra stuff, but at this point. I always come through on deals, but felt like I was getting rushed with the time crutch and like to have a methodical plan set . I would have even paid you to trailer half way for me Have a bad taste in my mouth. At this point fully knowing time restrictions and what not I’m at $1400 and can spare some cash in parts (possibly) all in and pick up after I get back from North Carolina and you are free.
Mihlay Mik
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Mihlay sent Yesterday at 10:35 AM
I’m a real buyer just work 40+ hours a week, house to maintain, and a toddler to entertain
Thu 11:02 AM
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Mihlay sent Yesterday at 11:02 AM
Just let me know

Posted by: porsha916 Jul 24 2021, 08:26 AM

Any one that has sold a house has had closing date delays and I had two! Have had others back out of deals that they made that's why I get deposits!!! and I have not kept a deposit yet! I am still trying to sell the 914! I am waiting to see how much hassle he caused me!!!!!!

Posted by: hockeymutt Jul 24 2021, 08:42 AM

Bill you are you own worst nightmare, you had my deposit and new I would come through. You should have kept in your pants and been 100% transparent. But instead you took the low road and proceeded to lie. Integrity means a lot and says a lot about a person, if you can’t trust someone’s word, should you trust them at all? Then decided to hold my deposit ransom like an used car dealer would to try and force a sale. If you give deposits back like your stating why did I have to go the PayPal dispute route. That car would have been out of your hair with little hassle if you would have made it easy. Lesson learned I’m assuming.

Also the the 1400 offer is prob what I would have offered anyways and looking back at your ads looks like your issuing the same rear trunk pictures a few times for a few cars. So who even knew what I was gonna end up with. Also looks like some one with a shitty stick welder put a patched up every on every single hell hole and long

Posted by: hockeymutt Jul 24 2021, 08:50 AM

Also if everyone keeps backing out, maybe the one common denominator is you. You might need to drop your sales tactics. Also the only hassle that was created was your own doing. I tried my as much I could to grab this before vacation, even signing up for AAA Monday night to have this moved 100 miles but policy wouldn’t kick in till next week. I’m still looking for a car so if you change your mind and want to help out please reach out.

Posted by: BENBRO02 Jul 24 2021, 12:20 PM

I hope that Front Yard Mechanic was joking. My wife and I had a great time last weekend with the NY/NJ 914 crowd. I’m hoping a bunch of them drive down to Okteenerfest so that I can see them again in September.

Posted by: Front yard mechanic Jul 24 2021, 04:17 PM

Yes I am joking but the reality is there are to many lawyer wanabes on the east coast

Posted by: mate914 Jul 25 2021, 08:10 AM

this guy is from the west coast.....

Posted by: Shivers Jul 25 2021, 08:48 AM

He's from New Mexico, check a map.

Posted by: TomE Jul 25 2021, 02:35 PM

The seller not the poster but this is not the place to air crap.

Posted by: 930cabman Jul 25 2021, 04:35 PM

There are often two sides to any story. Sounds like a miscommunication and unfortunate outcome. AND we need lawyers here in NY and NJ , almost like another ........

Posted by: hockeymutt Jul 26 2021, 12:09 PM

Update: seller STILL hasn’t return the deposit. He’s trying to fight me through PayPal stating it’s his.

Posted by: porsha916 Jul 28 2021, 08:24 AM

waiting on paypal decision!!!

Posted by: porsha916 Jul 28 2021, 08:27 AM

paypal has a hold on the money, cannot do anything until they decide!!!

Posted by: porsha916 Jul 28 2021, 08:30 AM

admin please move this mess to another thread!!!

Posted by: nditiz1 Jul 28 2021, 09:19 AM

Pretty sure you don't have to wait for their decision. You just refund the payment and the dispute is moot...unless you want to know what their decision is going to be...which I'm not sure why you need that. I see two avenues here - return the deposit, proceed with selling to another party. I believe you are already proceeding with the 2nd part of that statement. Option 2 - setup a timeframe and price for the original buyer to get the car. If an agreement cannot be reached due to schedule conflicts proceed back to option 1.

Posted by: mepstein Jul 28 2021, 09:30 AM

Sorry but a deposit is an initial payment on the car. Not payment for time spent working out or not working out a deal. Seller should do the right thing and return the money. A quick call to PayPal would fix it.

Posted by: Front yard mechanic Jul 28 2021, 08:32 PM

An honest New Yorker would return the money I know someone from New Mexico who would . Not kidding

Posted by: 914sgofast2 Jul 29 2021, 11:44 AM

By the time these two fellows get finished fighting with each other, the 914 in question will have transformed itself into iron oxide.

Posted by: 930cabman Jul 29 2021, 12:19 PM

Are there any New Yorkers in this category?

Posted by: 73-914 Jul 29 2021, 01:52 PM

Yes

Posted by: BuddyV Jul 29 2021, 04:30 PM

Wait..... Porsha916 started this thread?

He actually wanted these details aired out?

Posted by: MidEngineCrisis Jul 29 2021, 05:14 PM

Not the best effort at reading the room, to be sure.

In my opinion, the person who goes public with a private grievance is usually the one in the wrong, and is looking to scrounge up support for their position.

Posted by: PaulFV8 Jul 30 2021, 06:25 AM

Bill, I asked several times in the July 6 parts listing for the details on the last day items could be picked up, still waiting to hear the response. Clearly this is critical info on a move out sale and posting that date on all your listings would have helped us understand the timeline and act accordingly. Also, from my view, you should return the deposit.

good luck

Posted by: iankarr Aug 23 2021, 08:21 PM

Looks like Porsha has used the deposit to buy a keyboard with extra exclamation points.

Posted by: beech4rd Sep 3 2021, 11:33 AM

Excellent candidate for the "Post of the Week" award.

Posted by: B2524 Sep 21 2021, 08:01 AM

I’ve never cared for the 916 look.
Just doesn’t work for me.