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Posted by: bugat5speed Jan 17 2010, 11:16 AM
Hi altogether,
still not on our site (www.bugat5speed.de), but ready for market within the 1st quarter of 2010.
916 gearbox conversion parts. Conversion kit is very near to the OE Porsche 916 kit that was offered in small qty. in the 70s.
Kit is with the original 916 OE repro sideshift, mechnical components inside and with a very short nosecone (even 5 mm shorter than OE parts 916). Usage of original exhaust systems is no problem.
Complete kit for usage with electronic speedometer will be about 2.100 Euro for export (without VAT).
With mechanical speedo drive it will be 2.225 Euro
Freight cost to the US about 50 Euro.
For more info (upload of pictures is limited here) please send me a PM or better mail to info@bugat5speed.de
Martin Bott
Bug @ 5-Speed
Germany
Posted by: smontanaro Jan 17 2010, 11:25 AM
Sorry, but what is a 916 transmission? How does it differ from a 901 or a 915? What were they installed in? I see a http://www.pbase.com/9146gt/916_racing_gearbox on Armando's 914/6 GT website which suggests they weren't standard fare for the rest of us.
Thx,
Skip
Posted by: bugat5speed Jan 17 2010, 11:32 AM
another picture that shows space between nosecone and exhaust. Here a 1.7 engine with dummy 915 gearbox:
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Posted by: bugat5speed Jan 17 2010, 11:38 AM
916 is only a Porsche project name for this gearbox. It means that a 915 gearbox was adjusted to fit the 914 with own Porsche manufactured parts. It was only offered in a very small qty. that days. Nowadays it´s become more common and necessary if you install a big 6-cylinder to your 914.
Important is that you don´t need a different exhaust system and that the shift mechanism is going directly into the gearbox (like the 914 2.0 version). It does not have an extra turn of the shiftrod like the 914 1.7 had. That means it´s as precise as the later 914 gearbox (compared to the older type).
See one more picture of the mechanical components (Porsche OE repros also):
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Posted by: ArtechnikA Jan 17 2010, 11:40 AM
Sorry, but what is a 916 transmission? How does it differ from a 901 or a 915? What were they installed in?
They were installed in - wait for it - 916's...
A very small run of 2,4-liter 914.6 made for 'friends of the Porsche family.'
Basically it is a side-shift, flipped R&P, 915.
Posted by: SirAndy Jan 17 2010, 03:57 PM
Sorry, but what is a 916 transmission? How does it differ from a 901 or a 915? What were they installed in?
They were installed in - wait for it - 916's...
A very small run of 2,4-liter 914.6 made for 'friends of the Porsche family.'
Basically it is a side-shift, flipped R&P, 915.
Very nice! Those haven't been available in a long time, it's good to see someone doing a reproduction.
It's good to have alternatives as right now the only sideshift conversion for the 915 that is readily available is the WEVO sideshift kit.
Martin, you can add multiple pictures to a post or simply make a new post in your thread for each picture.
Andy
Posted by: bugat5speed Jan 18 2010, 01:59 AM
Andy,
thank you for your positive comment about the kit.
I tried to add more than one picture to a posting but received an error message. Already reduced the size of each pic to less than 500 KB (think that´s the most that´s possible, isn´t it so?).
Perhaps I make mistakes.
Can you give me a link to the info about how to install pictures.
If you all need more info, please let me know!
Thank you for being so kind to let me post here!
Martin Bott
Bug @ 5-Speed
Posted by: SirAndy Jan 18 2010, 11:44 AM
Can you give me a link to the info about how to install pictures.
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=13637
If your pictures are close to 500k in size, you can only add one per post. Currently, the upload size per post is 500k.
In that case, you need to add a post for each picture ...
Andy
Posted by: rgalla9146 Jan 26 2010, 12:50 PM
Hi altogether,
still not on our site (www.bugat5speed.de), but ready for market within the 1st quarter of 2010.
916 gearbox conversion parts. Conversion kit is very near to the OE Porsche 916 kit that was offered in small qty. in the 70s.
Kit is with the original 916 OE repro sideshift, mechnical components inside and with a very short nosecone (even 5 mm shorter than OE parts 916). Usage of original exhaust systems is no problem.
Complete kit for usage with electronic speedometer will be about 2.100 Euro for export (without VAT).
With mechanical speedo drive it will be 2.225 Euro
Freight cost to the US about 50 Euro.
For more info (upload of pictures is limited here) please send me a PM or better mail to info@bugat5speed.de
Martin Bott
Bug @ 5-Speed
Germany
Posted by: bugat5speed Jan 27 2010, 07:19 AM
Hi,
today I received further casted parts from the faundry. These parts sit on the underside of the gearbox and contain the shiftrod and the shift rocker. They still have to be milled, but currently I suffer from a cold I caught outside. Only the mechanical speedo drive still has to be finnished. I´m currently designing it with CAD. For those who use electronic speedo drive the kit will be available by the next two weeks.
Look at the pics!
Martin
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Posted by: zymurgist Jan 27 2010, 07:23 AM
Outstanding! 
Posted by: Dr Evil Jan 30 2010, 12:34 PM
Very good 
Posted by: bugat5speed Feb 12 2010, 12:10 PM
Hi,
finally received the other 4 sets of the shift housings yesterday. Now we can start milling the first 5 sets of these cases. Additionally received the first batch of 8 shiftrods from the fellow that works for me. They are very good and it´s not easy to see a difference to the origianl part. Lot of work with these shiftrods, but result is good.
Martin Bott
Bug @ 5-Speed
Posted by: bugat5speed Feb 12 2010, 12:11 PM
picture of the shiftrods:
Posted by: turboman808 Feb 13 2010, 10:12 PM
Can't wait to get ahold of these parts.
Posted by: spaceshuttle Feb 15 2010, 08:15 AM
U.S. Price Conversion?
Posted by: RON S. Feb 16 2010, 11:11 AM
This kit looks a lot like the one on www.elevenparts.com
http://www.elevenparts.com/viewer.php?id=880&img=pictures/880/elevenp0
a beautiful kit, but I'd bet the price would be almost 10000 euros.
to sporty for me.
ron
Posted by: bugat5speed Feb 16 2010, 12:04 PM
Complete kit for usage with electronic speedometer will be about 2.100 Euro for export (without VAT).
With mechanical speedo drive it will be 2.225 Euro
Freight cost to the US about 50 Euro.
For more info (upload of pictures is limited here) please send me a PM or better mail to info@bugat5speed.de
Martin Bott
Bug @ 5-Speed
Germany
Price was in the first posting- quite easy to find (-:
The one shiftrod original 915 (from your gearbox) plus the other shift part in exchange only (or core)
Martin Bott
Posted by: bugat5speed Feb 23 2010, 02:09 AM
23.2.2010:
pictures of the milled shift housings. The long drill for the shiftrod still has to be done. Have to do an external order on the mill first.
Martin Bott
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Posted by: bugat5speed Feb 23 2010, 02:12 AM
picture from the other side:
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Posted by: turboman808 Feb 23 2010, 09:43 PM
Hey Martin.
I sat here for probably an hour and stared at how this all goes together. Now that I think I have a good idea of how it all goes together I was thinking possibly down the road it would be very easy to modify the small block of aluminum to include a shift gate along the back much like what Wevo made.
http://www.pbase.com/9146gt/image/22513157
But one thing at a time but that would be really cool if you made that down the road.
Posted by: bugat5speed Feb 24 2010, 01:12 PM
Hi,
could do the housings first. Will start the external order tomorrow. Housings finnished now. Look at pictures.
@Turboman: if you used my shifter there´s no need to make such a shift gate at all. My shifter has three independant layers and there´s reall no need to do such thing.
Martin
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Posted by: bugat5speed Feb 24 2010, 01:14 PM
another picture:
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Posted by: dflesburg Mar 5 2010, 03:29 PM
So how hard is it to put this togeather and get everything working right?
Posted by: bugat5speed Mar 14 2010, 03:33 AM
Hi altogether,
am nearly finnished now with all parts. Received further parts from the turning workshop (ballhead-lever, shiftrod). Only thing left still is the intermediate plate of the shift housing. We started making clamping fixture yesterday and I can probably start milling on Monday.
Mounted an old magnesium case 915 gearbox with my parts. Used the original 916 shift housing as my intermediate plates are still not finnished. Only made one adjustment of the shiftrods inside and the gearbox shifted really brilliant.
Will make some more pictures of the mounted unit and show you (didn´t have my digicam with me when I was in the workshop yesterday).
We made a further and even better batch of these bearing supports that have to be mounted into the gearbox. They are milled out of a block of billet aluminium. Pictures to follow also.
By mid of next week all parts will be done. Only issue then is the mechanical speedo drive. Will be important for those that will use the old magnesium case 915 gearbox. That will be the very final part.
Will keep you informed and post further pictures.
Martin Bott
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Posted by: 396 Mar 14 2010, 09:29 AM
Keep them coming.. can you 'covert' to USD the total landed cost?
Posted by: Dr Evil Mar 14 2010, 10:34 AM
He posted 2,225 euro with mechanical speedo and 50 eu shipping.
= $3,130 shipped
Posted by: bugat5speed Mar 14 2010, 12:29 PM
here are the new bearing supports made from billet aluminium. Price seems to be wright. Currency is 1:1,37 about currently.
Martin
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Posted by: RON S. Mar 15 2010, 12:19 PM
I sent Martin a few questions about the kit.
One thing he told me was that this was not going to be a 1 run of X number of kits and it's done. he stated that he will have kits in the future for sale.
I too would like to buy a kit to replace my Vellios unit. I am going to buy one in the future once the iffy job situation I have becomes more stable.
His kit price is very reasonable. In the FWIW department, I did get a response back from Elevenparts.com on the exact repo kit they have(see below), and I was right on the money. Their kit is $10,000.00 euros plus delivery.
From: Marco Marinello [mailto:mail@elevenparts.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 3:46 AM
To: Ron Szymanski
Subject: Re: I request more infos about: Porsche 916 gearbox shifting mechanism (Art. 880)
Dear Mr. Szymanski
euro 10 000
regards
Martin really has an opportunity to make some sales here.
Ron
Posted by: bugat5speed Mar 15 2010, 01:08 PM
Hi Ron and all of you:
it´s done. Today milled the intermediate plates. See pictures. I know of the prices of the others. I think they´re much too high. Might be that I will have to increase the price for the version with mechanical speedo drive a little, but it was my aim to offer this kit at a reasonable price.
Martin
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Posted by: turboman808 Mar 15 2010, 08:22 PM
great to hear they are almost ready.
I will be super excited to start thrashing the gears again.
Posted by: 396 Mar 15 2010, 09:15 PM
Hi Ron and all of you:
it´s done. Today milled the intermediate plates. See pictures. I know of the prices of the others. I think they´re much too high. Might be that I will have to increase the price for the version with mechanical speedo drive a little, but it was my aim to offer this kit at a reasonable price.
Martin
Martin,
What's the little black switch in the housing for- a back up light?
Looks great!
Posted by: SirAndy Mar 16 2010, 09:07 PM
Kit is with the original 916 OE repro sideshift, mechnical components inside and with a very short nosecone (even 5 mm shorter than OE parts 916). Usage of original exhaust systems is no problem.
Martin,
is it possible to get a set without the new nosecone? Just the actual shift components?
If so, what would the price for that be?
Andy
Posted by: bugat5speed Mar 17 2010, 03:10 AM
@0396: it´s the switch for the reverse gear light (back up light)
@Sir Andy: sent you a PM
@turboman808: will try to keep my promise on delivery date still this week (latest early next week).
Thank you all for your interest and your positive comments on the parts.
Martin Bott
Posted by: RON S. Mar 17 2010, 05:54 AM
Kit is with the original 916 OE repro sideshift, mechnical components inside and with a very short nosecone (even 5 mm shorter than OE parts 916). Usage of original exhaust systems is no problem.
Martin,
is it possible to get a set without the new nosecone? Just the actual shift components?
If so, what would the price for that be?
Andyinteresting question Andy,
I just sent Martin an e-mail asking the same thing since I already have a Vellios side shift installed and working.
And, I would suspect that there are a lot of Vellios units out there in 914/6's that owners would possibly be eager to jump at the chance to benefit from a possible shift upgrade without a huge new expense.
Just a thought.
Ron
Posted by: 396 Mar 18 2010, 08:45 PM
Kit is with the original 916 OE repro sideshift, mechnical components inside and with a very short nosecone (even 5 mm shorter than OE parts 916). Usage of original exhaust systems is no problem.
Martin,
is it possible to get a set without the new nosecone? Just the actual shift components?
If so, what would the price for that be?
Andyinteresting question Andy,
I just sent Martin an e-mail asking the same thing since I already have a Vellios side shift installed and working.
And, I would suspect that there are a lot of Vellios units out there in 914/6's that owners would possibly be eager to jump at the chance to benefit from a possible shift upgrade without a huge new expense.
Just a thought.
Ron
Add me to this list... Yes,,, I'm also interested in all the 'other' parts - except the tail housing..
Posted by: bugat5speed Mar 19 2010, 02:14 AM
Hi 0396,
will write you a PM on this matter.
Martin
Posted by: Racer Chris Mar 20 2010, 07:41 AM
That looks super good!
Posted by: spaceshuttle Mar 24 2010, 04:54 AM
Hi altogether,
still not on our site (www.bugat5speed.de), but ready for market within the 1st quarter of 2010.
916 gearbox conversion parts. Conversion kit is very near to the OE Porsche 916 kit that was offered in small qty. in the 70s.
Kit is with the original 916 OE repro sideshift, mechnical components inside and with a very short nosecone (even 5 mm shorter than OE parts 916). Usage of original exhaust systems is no problem.
Complete kit for usage with electronic speedometer will be about 2.100 Euro for export (without VAT).
With mechanical speedo drive it will be 2.225 Euro
Freight cost to the US about 50 Euro.
For more info (upload of pictures is limited here) please send me a PM or better mail to info@bugat5speed.de
Martin Bott
Bug @ 5-Speed
Germany
I want one. When is it ready.
LC
Posted by: bugat5speed Mar 24 2010, 08:24 AM
@ spaceshuttle,
the kit is ready and I currently have two kits left in stock. Sent you a PM.
Thanks
Martin
Posted by: bugat5speed Apr 26 2010, 01:42 AM
Hi together,
we made the first two conversions with the kit now and it works very fine.
Wanted to inform you that we engineered and milled further different bearing supports for the later 915 gearboxes with aluminium case. For this gearbox the bearing supports from the old 916 kit from the 70s don´t fit. We had to find a way to fix these supports in the gearbox as the later 915 does not have the three casted positions where you can cut threads to fix this support. Will make further pictures at short notice to show you details and supply them here.
Martin
Posted by: Racer Chris Apr 26 2010, 11:00 AM
Hi together,
we made the first two conversions with the kit now and it works very fine.
Wanted to inform you that we engineered and milled further different bearing supports for the later 915 gearboxes with aluminium case. For this gearbox the bearing supports from the old 916 kit from the 70s don´t fit. We had to find a way to fix these supports in the gearbox as the later 915 does not have the three casted positions where you can cut threads to fix this support. Will make further pictures at short notice to show you details and supply them here.
Martin
So you're saying we didn't have to do all this?
Posted by: bugat5speed Apr 26 2010, 12:55 PM
Sorry Chris,
if we had talked about it it would not have been necessary. Did not get an email. Nothing in spam-filter either. Thought that the gearbox to convert was a magnesium-one.
Will add some pictures the next days.
It will be easier with the next alumnium 915.
Martin
Posted by: Racer Chris Apr 26 2010, 07:03 PM
I sent one email before beginning the alterations and another one as soon as we were finished. I also replied to your most recent email.
No worries. We were up to the task. It was just a bit more than expected. Before starting we were unaware the trans was not a real 916.
Posted by: bugat5speed Apr 28 2010, 12:59 PM
Hi Chris and all of you,
here are first pictures of the bearing supports for the aluminium 915. Not completely finnished, but the final milling will be done this weekend. You can see that the base of this support is wider and that it by this sits where the shiftrod originally was supported. I have a part made on the lathe that will be fixxed in this position of the shiftrod with clue (don´t know the right word now). In this part a pin will be installed. On this pin the new bearing support will be placed. One thread M8 will have to be cut in the one position in the gearbox that is existing in the alu-915.
Martin
Posted by: bugat5speed Apr 28 2010, 01:02 PM
another picture:
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Posted by: bugat5speed May 3 2010, 12:35 PM
more pictures instead of explanations (sometimes not so easy for me in English):
Martin
Posted by: bugat5speed May 3 2010, 12:36 PM
and another one:
Posted by: turboman808 May 3 2010, 12:38 PM
HAHA That would have made it easier. Everything went together real nice and the car shifts really well.
Seems everytime Chris opens up my car he finds a new surprise. He may open the motor someday and find that it's powered by squirrels.
Posted by: bugat5speed May 4 2010, 01:04 AM
Hi turboman808,
nice to hear that it´s working fine.
Attached another pic with the shift mechanism.
Martin
Posted by: bugat5speed May 12 2010, 04:07 AM
Hi guys,
currency exchange rate has cleared the last weeks. The Euro has lost some good percentages compared to the US$. It´s by this has become cheaper for you to order the 916 kit.
In addition to this I want to give you an extra-bonus on the exchange rate.
For orders/payment until end of May I give another 10% on the price.
Have all parts for the conversion in stock, or can mill at short notice (have some casted parts extra in stock).
Conversion kits for 915 with mechanical speedo drive will take some weeks extra (delivery about mid June), cause I have to do some work on the speedo drive still.
So prices for export to the US are:
916 kit for electronic speedo gearbox - 1.880 Euro (today 2.390 US$)
916 kit for mechanical speedo 915 - 2.110 Euro (today 2.679 US$)
For orders or more info you can contact me by mail to: info@bugat5speed.de
Martin Bott
Bug @ 5-Speed Germany
Posted by: bugat5speed Jul 17 2010, 01:55 AM
Hi altogether,
to make ordering the parts easier for you in the US I could convince one of the most well known traders for 914 parts in the US to offer my conversion kits. Automobile Atlanta has now listed the two different kits (electronic speedo, mechanical speedo) on their site. Here´s a link to the electronic speedo version: http://www.autoatlanta.org/detail.lasso?PartNumber=R916KIT1&serial_number=1105765
By this it will be much easier for you to get hold of the parts (no customs, no money transfer to overseas, ...).
Martin Bott
Posted by: Steve Aug 22 2010, 09:36 AM
Nice product!! Can wait for more feedback!!!
Posted by: JmuRiz Aug 25 2010, 09:22 AM
Ouch, that's quite a price hike.
Posted by: bugat5speed Aug 30 2010, 07:15 AM
Hi together,
here´s a picture of a 915 we made a revision and converted to 916. It´s for a 914/6 with a 3.2 engine.
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Posted by: Loser_Cruiser Jan 25 2011, 03:55 AM
I see on the AA site that there is a core charge, maybe I missed it but what would be the core part? also, does this work with stock side shifter linkage? Does anyone know if it would work with a six and the jwest shift linkage?
Posted by: RON S. Feb 5 2011, 06:07 PM
Guy's,
it's been a year now on this thread. Has anyone actually purchased and installed one of these kits yet????
I would like to hear some feedback about the shift quality, and maybe some pictures showing some shift linkage setups.
I have an old Vellios setup in my teener, and am kinda on the fence about coughing up some more coin to change the shifting mechanism for my 915 box one more time.
some one put up a post please.
Ron
Posted by: Steve Feb 6 2011, 12:39 AM
I only know of two installs. The one in this thread and one in another thread. Neither of them show the shift linkage, but one of them used parts from Patrick Motorsports. Here is a link to the other thread. http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=109782&hl=
Posted by: Nicke Nilsson Feb 6 2011, 10:45 AM
What are the difference between this kit and the Wevo..??...(+ vs -)
Posted by: RON S. Feb 6 2011, 05:57 PM
I only know of two installs. The one in this thread and one in another thread. Neither of them show the shift linkage, but one of them used parts from Patrick Motorsports. Here is a link to the other thread. http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=109782&hl=
Steve,
thanks for the link. The thread on the link however has no feedback. No real details, and definitely no pictures.
I really want to hear from someone whose installed the kit and run it for 500-1000 miles or so. Some one has got to have done that by now.
Please post.
Ron
Posted by: Steve Feb 6 2011, 11:39 PM
I only know of two installs. The one in this thread and one in another thread. Neither of them show the shift linkage, but one of them used parts from Patrick Motorsports. Here is a link to the other thread. http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=109782&hl=
Steve,
thanks for the link. The thread on the link however has no feedback. No real details, and definitely no pictures.
I really want to hear from someone whose installed the kit and run it for 500-1000 miles or so. Some one has got to have done that by now.
Please post.
Ron
I would PM both turboman808 and mharmon for feedback. They might not be subscribed to this thread.
Posted by: Steve Feb 6 2011, 11:56 PM
What are the difference between this kit and the Wevo..??...(+ vs -)
Martin's setup is pretty much a duplicate of the factory 916 Trans.
Positive side versus Wevo
-Better shifting, because the shift rod is shorter? Maybe, maybe not?
-Allows use of stock mufflers
-Worth more? The last "real" factory 916 trans on ebay sold for over $15k
Negative side versus Wevo
-More expensive and price varies based on the Euro vs USD.
-No aftermarket shifting linkage that I know of, but I have heard that Patrick Motor Sports could make something up for you.
Positive side for Wevo
-Lots of good feedback.
Shifts great, well designed and reliable.
-Lower cost for kit
-PMS makes all the parts including the shifting linkage for our cars.
Negative side for Wevo
-Trans is to long to use standard muffler. Requires either dual mufflers or extend your headers and use a skinny muffler like M&K.
The above is my humble opinion from my own research. I have never driven either one of them. So take it for what its worth.
Posted by: Racer Chris Feb 20 2011, 09:21 AM
We've done both conversions for customers at CFR-TRP.
IMO, price aside, the 916 yields a better final product.
Re the 916 kit: We were sent a duplicate of the 916 upper support for the selector shaft, which required some welding and machining to install in a 915 case. I haven't seen the upper support designed specifically for a 915 case, however I did receive some feedback in a conversation with Peter Dawe. Apparently there is considerable clearancing required to make it fit.
The WEVO kit isn't easy to install either and has its own problems, some of which were elaborated on in Steve's post.
Internal clearancing is required for the shift rods to function. The o-ring seal on the rear cover sucks, and is likely to weep gear oil.
Posted by: 396 Feb 23 2011, 11:11 PM
We've done both conversions for customers at CFR-TRP.
IMO, price aside, the 916 yields a better final product.
Re the 916 kit: We were sent a duplicate of the 916 upper support for the selector shaft, which required some welding and machining to install in a 915 case. I haven't seen the upper support designed specifically for a 915 case, however I did receive some feedback in a conversation with Peter Dawe. Apparently there is considerable clearancing required to make it fit.
The WEVO kit isn't easy to install either and has its own problems, some of which were elaborated on in Steve's post.
Internal clearancing is required for the shift rods to function. The o-ring seal on the rear cover sucks, and is likely to weep gear oil.
Chris,
thanks for the insight. so this 916 kit is not a plug and play for the weekend person like my self. yes I have no machine shop in my garage.- correct?
Posted by: Racer Chris Feb 24 2011, 05:30 AM
... so this 916 kit is not a plug and play for the weekend person like my slf. yes I have no machine shop in my garage.- correct?
I think the Vellios kit could be installed as plug and play, but it isn't available any more AFAIK. Neither the WEVO nor the 916 kits are simple projects for the DIYer.
Even the Vellios kit would require machining to install the factory style 915 speedo sensor though.
Edit: I've heard that the Vellios kit may be available at GPR.
Posted by: turboman808 Mar 8 2011, 03:13 PM
Well not sure what feedback I can give other then everything works really well.
I can now shift with confidence.
Posted by: Loser_Cruiser Apr 22 2011, 10:59 AM
The exchange rate is killing my dreams right now, but assuming that turns around someday, does I'm still curious as to if you can use the -4 style shift rod or if it needs the -6 style shift rod. Turboman? Whats your setup there?
Posted by: rgalla9146 Mar 22 2012, 06:28 PM
Hi together,
here´s a picture of a 915 we made a revision and converted to 916. It´s for a 914/6 with a 3.2 engine.
Hello Martin
Please provide an update on the 915 - 914 conversion.
I'm very interested in using a 915 in my 914 3.0 conversion.
Best regards
Rory Gallagher
Posted by: bugat5speed Apr 21 2012, 09:55 AM
@rgalla: sent you a PM
in general:
kit is running well. In the meantime we´ve upgraded the mould of the nosecone so that mechanical speedo drive can be installed now. Customers are happy with the kit. The kit is not seen as a further Vellios or Wevo kit, but people see that it is a repro of the legendary 916 kit of Porsche from the 70s.
Martin
Hi together,
here´s a picture of a 915 we made a revision and converted to 916. It´s for a 914/6 with a 3.2 engine.
Hello Martin
Please provide an update on the 915 - 914 conversion.
I'm very interested in using a 915 in my 914 3.0 conversion.
Best regards
Rory Gallagher
Posted by: bugat5speed May 16 2012, 01:51 AM
Hi,
some pictures of the new nosecones with the upgrade for the mechanical speedo drive. Currently have a long lasting order for industry on my milling centre, so that parts have not been finnished milling for the speedo drive. At the moment they can already be mounted to a electronic speedo gearbox. Hope that I can do the final milling by end of next week. You can see our prototype where we welded the position for the bearing of the speedo shaft. The other picture shows that the mould was adjusted in some places, especially to hold the speedo-parts. Also see the mechanical parts for the speedo drive that we already prepared (only minor adjustment have to be done still). Will keep you informed and will give further info as soon as parts are done.
Martin Bott
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Posted by: RON S. May 16 2012, 04:37 PM
Once again Martin, a beautiful product.
I'm still sitting on the fence due to the economy and the Euro.
I can't help but notice that due to the Financial mess in Europe that the Euro is slowly beginning to drop, which for us here would be a great thing.
What, is the 2012 price for your 916 kits in either electronic, or mechanical speedo form???
Ron
Posted by: bugat5speed May 17 2012, 03:54 AM
Hi Ron,
thank you for the compliment on the parts. Yes the Euro is falling a little, but don´t think that it will be that much. Prices for the kits have yet been stabile and are for export to somewhere outside the EC:
916 kit for electronic speedo - 2.092 Euro
916 kit with mechanical speedo drive - 2.428 Euro
UI uderstand that you see a higher price than for another exisiting 915 conversion kit, but if you want to build an authenic car my kit will anyway be the best choice. Please be aware that the last original 916 kits were sold at prices around 10.000 Euro (a few years ago).
I am willing to help the one or other to do his decision although Euro is still not as low as most of you wish and offer a 3 % discount on both products until end of June. Can´t do much more as production costs on these parts are highr than I originally calculated. I will in the end be forced to increase the prices one day.
Hope to have helped you a little on this matter.
Martin
Posted by: wingnut86 May 17 2012, 05:57 AM
This sounds like a place where a concerted group buy from 914World members, maybe Pelican, Tangerine and RedLine included would help stir an interest, provide a bulk discount and help soften your raw material and machining setup/costs.
I have a bad habit of thinking too much while unemployed, as I was a bit of the idea man at 3 previous jobs.
1- Does this stir an interest in the 914World family?
2- Price point that would satisfy?
3- Production number to satisfy the above and make it work?
Have to ask details:
4- What would it take to tie it to a Suby or V8, as many are still heading that way?
Sorry to Hijack, but the group buys usually stir more interest and feedback if not happy customers...
Dave B.
Posted by: wingnut86 May 17 2012, 06:02 AM
...additional thoughts.
5- Provided a group buy works, maybe a few units could be sold to members who will be attending transmission clinics hosted by group members. That way, one of our experts can refresh a 915 in a group setting and add the 916 kit with all watching...
Marketing 101
Posted by: bugat5speed May 17 2012, 11:31 AM
Hi,
who would be interested in such a group buy. Can´t promise too much on prices, but will do what I can. I personally would be interested in figures from 8-10 kits. Currently could offer 3-4 kits at short notice, but could get more (from faundry) within 6 weeks.
If I see that you are intersted I will make an offer.
So please let me know by PMs who would be interested.
What concerns Subaru or V8 it is so, that an adapter is needed anyway, but I think you know that the 915 stands upto 350 Nm about. You must know torque what your engines will give. So it´s not question of my conversion kit, but of the gearbox anyway.
Martin
Posted by: bugat5speed May 25 2012, 02:07 AM
Had some days time to do work beside the industry-orders on the CNC Mill. Put the nosecones on the mill again yesterday and milled the place for the speedo drive. Pressed bushing inside and tested speedo drive (as far as I could - shaft is not turned or not finally turned). Works fine, just as on the prototype. The shaft of the small speedo drive will be turned within the next few days, then the 916 kit will be available with mechnical speedo finally. A further argument for the 916 kit.
Martin
Btw: Euro is really dropping and lost some percents in the last two weeks. Is there still an interest of a group buy?
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Posted by: seanery May 25 2012, 07:44 AM
I would love one of these, but I'll have to wait, more things to do first.
Posted by: mharmon May 25 2012, 09:10 AM
The kit that I purchased from Martin has has been installed on my gear box. The car came back from paint, so hope to have it and the motor running in the next couple of months.
Will report back once it is.
Mike
Posted by: Steve May 25 2012, 01:27 PM
The kit that I purchased from Martin has has been installed on my gear box. The car came back from paint, so hope to have it and the motor running in the next couple of months.
Will report back once it is.
Mike
I am in the same boat.. I received the transmission back from the builder, but it will be a couple of months before I get it back together. The builder said the kit was very high quality and required little work to install it.
Posted by: db9146 May 27 2012, 07:59 PM
I am interested in a kit but I would like to see a little more feedback on the shifting performance once behind a running engine.
Posted by: bugat5speed Jun 10 2012, 02:22 AM
speedo drive finnished now. Received the shafts for the speedo drive the last days. Only have to wait some days for the next angle drives from VDO. One in stock, but some others needed. Drive works fine in the gearbox.
Martin
Posted by: wingnut86 Jun 10 2012, 12:31 PM
GORGEOUS 
Posted by: rgalla9146 Jun 10 2012, 05:35 PM
GORGEOUS
Beautiful work Martin.
Very interested, like many others need more feedback from actual driven examples.
Also, would help to have real price on group buy with given numbers of obligated buyers.
Posted by: bugat5speed Jun 11 2012, 12:32 AM
Hi,
thanks for the compliment.
Re. feedback about driven samples I can say that the mechanical components are 100 % repro of th eoriginal 916 kit of Porsche from the 70s. So ask in the forum if anybody drives a 916 kit and what his experiences are. Some kits in the US already and I know that at least one is driving and that customer is very satisfied (one guy in this thread). Some in Europe, but many still in restauration work.
One gearbox in my workshop will be handed out to a customer the next days. He will probably post, but I leave it up to him.
Not many requests on group buy, so don´t know who really is interested. By this I ask once more and think that it would be better if replies are posted here in 914world. Will give prices as soon as I know about demand.
B.t.w: $ is much stronger to Euro than the last months.
Martin
Posted by: mepstein Jun 11 2012, 06:47 AM
I understand there are a couple different 915 trans. Which one is the best to use with your conversion kit?
Posted by: bugat5speed Jun 11 2012, 11:20 AM
I understand there are a couple different 915 trans. Which one is the best to use with your conversion kit?
You can use each type of 915 with my conversion kit. If you want to go the mechanical speedo route you must use one of the early magnesium type trannies. There is no gearwheel on the mainshaft on those gearboxes with electronic speedo, so you can not convert to mechanical speedo later.
Martin
Posted by: Steve Jun 11 2012, 08:32 PM
The most preferred 915 trans is the 1977 915 Trans. It's the last of the magnesium (lightest) and the first for the clutch return spring. Later 915 trans are aluminum. I think they are 20 pounds heavier than the magnesium trans. I think 1975 was the first for the 8:31 ring and pinion. 8:31 ring and pinion is much stronger than the earlier 7:31 ring and pinion. The 914 901 trans is also a 7:31 ring and pinion. The 7:31 ring and pinion on both 901 and 915 are both course thread and can share axle flanges and differentials including limited slips. The 8:31 ring and pinion 915 gear boxes also have higher gears for the bigger motors. They also have fine spline diffs and axle flanges. Pro or con I used a 1986 915 trans with Martin's kit.
Posted by: bugat5speed Jun 12 2012, 11:16 AM
@ Steve: thanks for the infos! I will use an older 915 for my car, as I´m gonna use the 2.2 E engine (MFI) - S-configuration is the aim. If you go 2.7 or bigger it´s anyway better to have the 8:31 combination. In that case I would prefer the aluminium cased 915 although more weight - but also more stabile (just as you did).
@ all: picture shows gearbox with mounted speedo drive. Nuts of nosecone still missing. Have to install the reverse gear switch actuator still. Bolt to fix the speedo has to be turned cause left the socket too high for the original 914 screw. Next batch of nosecones will be milled down there.
Posted by: 9146BRUCE Jun 13 2012, 01:43 PM
Hi Martin I'm very interested in the group buy, but if not enough people want to do it by the end of June what would be the final cost with the 3 percent discount and shipping to California 91325 and is there a VAT charge. And what kind of payment do you prefer. I still want to get the mechanical speedo kit it looks to be the best on the market.
Thanks Bruce
Posted by: scraperhand Sep 21 2012, 09:29 PM
Whats the current cost for the electronic speedo version
Posted by: Steve Sep 22 2012, 04:05 PM
I would send him a direct email. The price changes depending on the exchange rate.
I bought the electronic speedo kit last December and the Euro has dropped quite a bit since then.
Posted by: bugat5speed Sep 26 2012, 07:24 AM
@scraperhand:
price for the electronic speedo version of the kit is 2.090 Euro for export to the US. Currency is around 1:1,29 at the moment. Means in US$ 2.699 $.
Have some kits in stock at the moment. All parts for electronic speedo version stored. For mechanical speedo drive I need some smaller parts if ordered (leadtime about 3 weeks).
Freight to the US is 36 Euro, 46 $.
Martin
Posted by: bugat5speed Jan 3 2013, 10:23 AM
Group buy offered if there is interest in it
Happy New Year to all of you!
A few days ago I was asked for a further offer for a group buy. Am planning to increase the price for the kit in the next 2 months and want to give you a further chance to create a group buy.
I herewith offer:
order of three kits and more
each single one sent to the guy who ordered
freight per kit is 36 Euro (48 US$)
price per kit reduced by 4 %, so
electronic speedo kit will be: 2.008 Euro -->2.650 US$
mechanical speedo kit will be: 2.331 Euro -->3.077 US$
for 6 kits and more
same as above, but for each kit discount will be 8%,
so prices will be:
el. speedo kit: 2.540 US$
mech. speedo kit: 2.950 US$
Money for each single ordered kit or at least deposit from all buyers must be in, before I send out kits. Do only send to thise who have paid full. Not all mech. speedo kit parts are in stock. If someone orders such a kit I only want a deposit until all parts are ready for dispatch. Then payment of balance and then dispatch of goods.
Above prices are based on currency of 1: 1,32 (today´s currency). If currency varies prices must be adjusted. Group buy offer is valid until end of January 2013.
If any questions, please ask. If I don´t reply in a reasonable time please send a reminder to my mail info@bugat5speed.de.
Thank you guys.
Martin Bott
Posted by: rhodyguy Jan 3 2013, 10:57 AM
confused 
are you aware the way you have your item pricing,
for example, "el. speedo kit: 2.650 US$", reads as two dollars and sixty five cents/ $2.65? not to be picky but if you need to move the decimal point it would then read as $26.50 per or $265.00 or $2650.00. hopes this helps to clarify.
k
Posted by: ArtechnikA Jan 3 2013, 11:06 AM
...are you aware the way you have your item pricing,
for example, "el. speedo kit: 2.650 US$", reads as ...
Most of the rest of the world uses '.' where US/UK uses ',' and vice-versa.
IOW - '.' is thousands separator, ',' is "decimal point.
Good to know when interpreting numbers written in other countries...
Posted by: billh1963 Jan 3 2013, 11:28 AM
confused
are you aware the way you have your item pricing, for example, "el. speedo kit: 2.650 US$", reads as two dollars and sixty five cents/ $2.65? not to be picky but if you need to move the decimal point it would then read as $26.50 per or $265.00 or $2650.00. hopes this helps to clarify.
k
those of us who have been overseas already know how to read this...
just teasing you. It's a good point to make for those who might be confused.
Posted by: rhodyguy Jan 3 2013, 11:42 AM
i KNOW they're not $2.65 or $26.50. maybe $265.00...but $2650.00? there must be a hefty import tax for declared value when shipped west of the atlantic.
Posted by: SirAndy Jan 3 2013, 02:29 PM
Did you read the whole tread and are aware of all the parts included in the kit?
Posted by: larryM Jan 3 2013, 07:27 PM
well, i AM interested in joining the group buy - since i'm doing a 3.2 upgrade right now & had decided to stick with a 901 sideshifter since I have 3 of them
(I also have a rebuilt late 915 (electric speedo, but the Total Cost of Conversion via WEVO looked out-of-range, and the totally non-std look is a put-off)
after wading thru 5 pages of posts above it is still not clear to me how much difficulty is involved, whether additional machining on-the-fly is necessary at time of installation, and what one does to actually fit a shifter & which, if any 914 shifter mechanism will work
several posts indicate there are a couple of these actually running, but apparently were done prior to the final version of kit was completed and required some masterful modifications to finish-
so how about a step-by-step list, along with a price list - including the cost of sending my existing 915 to a master for ring-gear flipping and 916-kit install, plus the mysterious shifter setup; and let's not forget the clutch conversion setup necessary to actualy operate the 915 in a 914 chassis ???
are we talkin' $5-6K here?
- anyone? (Chris?)
TIA
Posted by: Cracker Jan 3 2013, 10:19 PM
I can't chime-in on the 916 system but I can on the other thoughts you had. I choose to install a 930 trans in my 914 but do it right. I had California Motorsports do the entire conversion (to the trans). They machined the case for a flipped ring gear, shortened the bellhousing, main shaft, and rebuilt the entire transaxle. The total cost parts/labor was a little over 4k. The shifter was another $800 bucks and I had to set that up myself.
What the 916 adds to a 901 I do not know. I've learned whether you're working on a 901 or 930 box - it's always expensive to "play"! Best wishes!
Posted by: ArtechnikA Jan 4 2013, 05:26 AM
What the 916 adds to a 901 I do not know.
Just for those coming in late...
It doesn't do anything for a 901 - the 914 sideshift conversion already works fine.
This is a complete package for a sideshift _915_.
Posted by: rhodyguy Jan 4 2013, 08:05 AM
yes andy, i understand the complexity and what is included. almost completely...
Posted by: larryM Jan 4 2013, 11:18 AM
i was asking about doing a 915 to 916 -
I think I'll put the 915 on the shelf & stay with the 901 for now,
i might still buy the 916 kit (if it is actually a complete bolt-together, no diversions, status) for "someday" since we are likely talking about limited production here and zero availability in a year or 2 hence, similar to the velllious kit
What the 916 adds to a 901 I do not know.
Just for those coming in late...
It doesn't do anything for a 901 - the 914 sideshift conversion already works fine.
This is a complete package for a sideshift _915_.
Posted by: Steve Jan 4 2013, 11:25 AM
Sorry for the high jack.
A 930 does have a higher torque capacity compared to a 915, but its only a four speed and since it was never designed for the 914-6, you typically have to use a cable shifter.
The 915 is a five speed and the factory created a kit to use it in the prototype 916's that never made it into production. Martin just copied the kit and made some improvements. The 916 kit, since its designed for a 914 allows you to use a metal side shift rod similar to the standard 73-76 914-4's. It also allows you to use a stock 911 or 914-6 muffler. IMHO, I have used the 901/914 trans with a 2.4 four banger and 2.7 six and never experienced any problems. I was happy with the gearing and experience. As soon as I jumped to a 3.2 motor, the gearing just felt all wrong. First gear was too low and worthless and second was to high. The cost of changing all the gears in a 901 and switching to a 904 main shaft, just to be able to swap the second gear, did not make sense compared to just upgrading to a 915 that was designed for my motor.
Posted by: larryM Jan 4 2013, 11:49 AM
Steve - excellent contribution!
you have answered the "930 question" as well
I talked to Paul Sayegh last year about his 3.6 & trans - and he re-geared the entire box - never uses 1st,, can do about 70mph in 2nd, and others also say they never use 1st with 3.0-3.2s
i have been running the 901 sideshift with 2.7 & 2.8 for 20 yrs, AX & racing too, and only have broken one 901 box so far - i think the intermediate plate gave out, but i never took i t apart to see cuz the trans's were so cheap & plentiful that there was no point in it "back when" (i only use 1st to get moving, never to accelerate)
A 930 does have a higher torque capacity compared to a 915, but its only a four speed and since it was never designed for the 914-6, you typically have to use a cable shifter.
The 915 is a five speed and the factory created a kit to use it in the prototype 916's that never made it into production. Martin just copied the kit and made some improvements. The 916 kit, since its designed for a 914 allows you to use a metal side shift rod similar to the standard 73-76 914-4's. It also allows you to use a stock 911 or 914-6 muffler. IMHO, I have used the 901/914 trans with a 2.4 four banger and 2.7 six and never experienced any problems. I was happy with the gearing and experience. As soon as I jumped to a 3.2 motor, the gearing just felt all wrong. First gear was too low and worthless and second was to high. The cost of changing all the gears in a 901 and switching to a 904 main shaft, just to be able to swap the second gear, did not make sense compared to just upgrading to a 915 that was designed for my motor.
Posted by: SirAndy Jan 4 2013, 03:45 PM
Actually, he re-geared his 915 specifically so he *could* use 1st gear. I have driven his car and his new 1st is indeed very usable!
On the other hand, on my stock 901 1st gear is completely useless with my 3.6L. That's the reason why i'm building a custom 915 box this year.
Posted by: Dr Evil Jan 4 2013, 04:39 PM
Actually, he re-geared his 915 specifically so he *could* use 1st gear. I have driven his car and his new 1st is indeed very usable!
On the other hand, on my stock 901 1st gear is completely useless with my 3.6L. That's the reason why i'm building a custom 915 box this year.
Oh really?
Posted by: SirAndy Jan 4 2013, 05:52 PM
Actually, he re-geared his 915 specifically so he *could* use 1st gear. I have driven his car and his new 1st is indeed very usable!
On the other hand, on my stock 901 1st gear is completely useless with my 3.6L. That's the reason why i'm building a custom 915 box this year.
Oh really?
Well, by *i* i really meant *you* ...
Posted by: bugat5speed Jan 5 2013, 05:07 AM
Hi all of you (and especially you Steve),
Steve thank you for these information. Already thought about writing something yesterday, but haven´t yet found time for it. My English is not that good that I can write it just straight away. So it takes me some good time to find all the translations to the technical words. What I read/see I can say that everything that Steve wrote is correct.
Some things that I want to reconfirm/add:
The 915 fits all /6 clutches (pulled type). What was discussed about with clutch adaption only has to be done with 901 gearboxes. So nothing that concerns the 916 builder.
The 930 does not have much to do with the 915. If there is a machining necessary if you flip ring gear it does not mean that it is so with the 915. The 915 is build that way that you can flip the ring gear without any machining. There is no machining to be done to the gearbox. It was discussed that machining to bellhousing and the main shaft has to be done. That´s not true/correct at all. The only thing that has to be done is to cut 2 threads where the support for the shift actuator has to be placed. Depending on year of gearbox it might be necessary to do a minor clearancing at the same position (air pressure grinder).
The shifter that has to be used is the Porsche 911 915 OEM shifter. Nothing more or less.
The shiftrod itsself from chassis (rear firewall) to gearbox has to be made by customer. If someone goes the route of converting a 914/4 to 914/6 nothing really exciting...
Concerning prices I have to apologize that I used the european way of wrinting the amounts. But it was already explained what it really means. Thanks for that.
If you have further questions please let me know!
I hope I find the correct words to answer them.
Thank you for your interest
Martin
Posted by: rgalla9146 Jan 5 2013, 11:46 PM
Hi all of you (and especially you Steve),
Steve thank you for these information. Already thought about writing something yesterday, but haven´t yet found time for it. My English is not that good that I can write it just straight away. So it takes me some good time to find all the translations to the technical words. What I read/see I can say that everything that Steve wrote is correct.
Some things that I want to reconfirm/add:
The 915 fits all /6 clutches (pulled type). What was discussed about with clutch adaption only has to be done with 901 gearboxes. So nothing that concerns the 916 builder.
The 930 does not have much to do with the 915. If there is a machining necessary if you flip ring gear it does not mean that it is so with the 915. The 915 is build that way that you can flip the ring gear without any machining. There is no machining to be done to the gearbox. It was discussed that machining to bellhousing and the main shaft has to be done. That´s not true/correct at all. The only thing that has to be done is to cut 2 threads where the support for the shift actuator has to be placed. Depending on year of gearbox it might be necessary to do a minor clearancing at the same position (air pressure grinder).
The shifter that has to be used is the Porsche 911 915 OEM shifter. Nothing more or less.
The shiftrod itsself from chassis (rear firewall) to gearbox has to be made by customer. If someone goes the route of converting a 914/4 to 914/6 nothing really exciting...
Concerning prices I have to apologize that I used the european way of wrinting the amounts. But it was already explained what it really means. Thanks for that.
If you have further questions please let me know!
I hope I find the correct words to answer them.
Thank you for your interest
Martin
Hello Martin
Can you provide cost for each version at current exchange rate ?
Number of deposits necessary for price breaks ?
Beautiful job !
Rory
Posted by: bugat5speed Jan 7 2013, 03:50 AM
Hi Rory,
today´exchange rate is 1.30 US$ for one Euro. It´s been around that the last weeks. Last week it was 1.32, so now better again for you. My price in Euro multiplicated with 1.30 is today´s price for the kits.
Today´s prices in US$:
freight per kit is 36 Euro (46,80 US$)
price per kit reduced by 4 %, so
electronic speedo kit will be 2.610 US$
mechanical speedo kit will be 3.030 US$
for 6 kits and more
freight same as above, but for each kit discount will be 8%,
so prices will be:
el. speedo kit: 2.501 US$
mech. speedo kit: 2.905 US$
Means that mech. speedo kit for orders of 6 kits and more is about 45 $ cheaper than last week.
Deposit only in that case that I can not deliver directly. Mainly for those orders with mechanical speedo. Most other parts are in stock, or done at short notice, so that I can promise to deliver 3-4 kits directly (electronic speedo). Those kits have to be paid 100 %, for deposits I suggest a 30 % rate of the total price. When it comes to group buy orders I will inform you what I can deliver directly and which parts will have to be done first and how long that will take. Currently am short of time due to an industry-order on my CNC miling centre.
What do you mean with "number of deposits necessary for price breaks?"
Btw.: one order based on the price of at least six ordered kits came in by mail yesterday. Don´t know if the buyer wants to be named or not, but he can do it on his own if he likes to. So 5 others needed for the 8% discount.
Martin Bott
Posted by: rgalla9146 Jan 7 2013, 10:05 PM
Hi Rory,
today´exchange rate is 1.30 US$ for one Euro. It´s been around that the last weeks. Last week it was 1.32, so now better again for you. My price in Euro multiplicated with 1.30 is today´s price for the kits.
Today´s prices in US$:
freight per kit is 36 Euro (46,80 US$)
price per kit reduced by 4 %, so
electronic speedo kit will be 2.610 US$
mechanical speedo kit will be 3.030 US$
for 6 kits and more
freight same as above, but for each kit discount will be 8%,
so prices will be:
el. speedo kit: 2.501 US$
mech. speedo kit: 2.905 US$
Means that mech. speedo kit for orders of 6 kits and more is about 45 $ cheaper than last week.
Deposit only in that case that I can not deliver directly. Mainly for those orders with mechanical speedo. Most other parts are in stock, or done at short notice, so that I can promise to deliver 3-4 kits directly (electronic speedo). Those kits have to be paid 100 %, for deposits I suggest a 30 % rate of the total price. When it comes to group buy orders I will inform you what I can deliver directly and which parts will have to be done first and how long that will take. Currently am short of time due to an industry-order on my CNC miling centre.
What do you mean with "number of deposits necessary for price breaks?"
Btw.: one order based on the price of at least six ordered kits came in by mail yesterday. Don´t know if the buyer wants to be named or not, but he can do it on his own if he likes to. So 5 others needed for the 8% discount.
Martin Bott
Hello Martin
I'm in at the 6 unit rate.
Is there another person "who ordered by mail" or is it possible that I'm being counted twice ? I didn't realize that I had replied on the other thread.
Do you require a deposit now or can it be provided when you've got five other interested parties ?
Just to be sure I need a mechanical speedo kit.
If you prefer we can communicate via email. rgalla9146@aol.com
Please inform me of number of orders and if you require a deposit.
Best regards
Rory Gallagher
PS I have no reason to remain anonimous.
I'll do what I can to help on the other thread.
Posted by: bugat5speed Jan 8 2013, 05:01 AM
Hi Rory,
you sent me a PM and informed that you want to order. So, you´re the one who started the orders on the group buy (-:
Let´s wait some days to see what happens. We´ll stay in contact.
Martin
Posted by: scraperhand Jan 11 2013, 05:27 PM
Count me in at the 6 unit rate,electric speedo, mike
Posted by: bugat5speed Jan 17 2013, 09:51 AM
@ scraperhand: tried to contact you by PM. Please read and reply to my mail info@bugat5speed.de. Thanks
@ all: 2 kits now ordered. Group buy open still 2 weeks. $´s become weaker again. Currency is 1,3277 : 1.
Seems Euro will get even stronger.
Martin
Posted by: sixnotfour Jan 17 2013, 09:23 PM
IN-- for mechanical
Posted by: bugat5speed Jan 19 2013, 12:01 PM
ok guys,
I have the following orders (each at price of 6 sold kits = - 8 % discount to list price):
rgalla - mech speedo kit
scraperhand - electronic speedo kit
sixnotfour - mech speedo kit
The above listed kits will definitely be at the 8 % discount, even if there will be no further orders. So please do confirm your orders by sending me mails with addresses (rgalla already did).
As I was asked in some PMs and as there were further discussions here about the price caused by currency I want to tell you the following:
I will reduce the price by a 10 % discount rate if 6 buyers will be found. Currently 0396 and Ron S. are in the waiting position. Perhaps there will be one further to order, then you all will have the 10 % discount. Upto 5 kits it will be the 8 % rate.
I can not give you more on the kit. Enginering and first production and tests were quite expensive. I can tell you that the last existing Porsche 916 kits were sold at about 10.000 Euro. My kit is the only exisiting 915 gearbox conversion kit that is very near to that was once was sold by Porsche.
So, take the chance and order now. I don´t think that currency will become much better for you in the next time. On the other hand it is so, that I really plan to increase the price in the near future.
If you want to order, please make a note here in the forum and besides send me an email with your address to: info@bugat5speed.de.
BTW: the exchange parts can be send to my friend Alex Olaverri in NJ. He will collect them and send them to me in one unit. If exchange parts can only be send after conversion you can pay a core to him and receive it back from him later when you send the stuff. At least one of the customers from the US did so in the past (have to check who that was).
Martin Bott
Posted by: bugat5speed Jan 21 2013, 04:48 AM
I received Pa M that showed me that my offer is a little unclear I want to repeat and say it in more/other words:
originally it was my plan that I would give you a discount of 4 % on the list price if there were 3 -5 ordered 916 kits. It does not matter in general if the kits are with mechanical speedo or if they are for the electronic speedo gearbox. The total of orders gives the discount rate, not the kind of kit.
For 6 and more kits I wanted to give a discount of 8 %.
I have three orders based on the 8 % discount rate. I confirmed theses three orders with a 8 % discount although only three and not six kits ordered.
Besides I increased the discount rate to 10 % for 6 and more ordered kits (also, no matter what kind of kit it would be).
Hope that I could explain it so that everyone will understand. My English is not perfect and sometimes it´s a little difficult for me to find the right words. If not, please ask me.
Martin
Posted by: RON S. Jan 21 2013, 06:59 AM
Martin,
I am IN... 1 kit.
Mechanical Speedometer. and if the German on your website is correct.
''mechanischem Tachoantrieb"
Posted by: scraperhand Jan 26 2013, 02:39 AM
Count me out, goin with wevo.
Posted by: bugat5speed Jan 26 2013, 10:31 AM
@ scraperhand:
yes, thought so.
Martin
Posted by: sixnotfour Jan 26 2013, 02:25 PM
Martin Invoice ?
Posted by: RON S. Jan 27 2013, 08:31 AM
Martin,
Deposit on the way via Alex.
Ron
Posted by: sixnotfour Jan 31 2013, 01:42 PM
Deposit sent.
Posted by: RON S. Mar 18 2013, 05:40 PM
Got my Mechanical Speedo kit today. In a couple of month's, after some car shows, I'll pull the tranny and make the swap...
All looks Great...
Thanks Martin 
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Posted by: Britain Smith Apr 1 2013, 10:12 AM
This kit looks awesome.
For those who are converting to this set-up and will be parting with their Vellios kits, please let me know as I may be interested.
-Britain
Posted by: Mark Henry Apr 7 2013, 08:35 AM
I notice it has the rough casting for the scavenge pump, any plans to finish that part in the future?
Posted by: bugat5speed Apr 7 2013, 10:41 AM
Don´t know exactly what you mean with the scavenge pump, but if it´s the same that I think (mechanical oilpump driven by one of the mainshafts in the gearbox) I can tell you that I have measured all positions and dimensions of a 915 nosecone with such a pump. I even did mill it at one 915 nosecone in the past. So if you have such a pump system - for me it´s no problem to prepare the milling for it.
Martin
Posted by: larryM Jun 2 2013, 11:01 PM
Quick note to say Martin has shipped my kit as of June 1 2013
I already have a rebuilt 915 on the shelf,
and now need to find the shifter parts
- so if any of y'all can point to the complete list of shifter & clutch parts I need, and possibly a provider, it will be much appreciated (... hate to have to shop it on eBay piecemeal)
I'm currently running 901 sideshift with a 3.2, with no problems
Larry M
Posted by: Steve Jun 6 2013, 04:11 PM
I bought my clutch kit from Zims
http://www.allzim.com/store/
915 shift rod from Patrick Motorsports.
I also bought the PMS clutch cable and clutch cable adapters and firewall shift rod bearing for his shift rod..
915 shifter from Rennshift/Jwest
Other miscellaneous clutch parts like the omega spring I purchased through Pelican.
I also installed a 1975 911 pedal assembly with a late model clutch return spring.
I also purchased Swayaway axles and 86 inside cv joints for my 86 915 trans and 1973 911 108mm cv's and stubs for the outside.
Posted by: DEC Jun 8 2013, 09:13 AM
My shift rod setup at the gearbox
It's not finished but soon.....
Posted by: DEC Jun 8 2013, 09:15 AM
Posted by: RON S. Jun 13 2013, 05:19 AM
I'm in the midst of putting mine together.
I chose to use (2) 5/8'' Apex joints and a length of 5/8'' diameter tubing to connect the whole thing.
Basically makes a driveshaft out of the assembly.
I haven't got the unit ready for the road yet but, I can say this much.
With everything hooked up, and having a JWest shifter up front, this unit has a much much smoother, tighter, and a OEM feel to the shift quality over the Vellios unit I removed..
I'm pumped to put it back on the road...
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Posted by: RON S. Jul 7 2013, 03:48 PM
I've recently finished my transmission side shift swap out from my previous Vellios unit to Martin Bott's 916 kit.
Happy to say that I think I have all the bugs worked out, and am happily motoring on. 
I've got about 50 or so miles on the unit now, and feel comfortable sharing my thoughts between the 2 units, and the quality of the current product which I have received.
on the Plus side.
1. Martin's kit is a very good quality unit, and he's gone to great lengths to ensure, at least for me, my customer satisfaction. The castings, and the machining are top of the shelf. Everything fit like it was supposed to. He's invested a lot of time and energy into this kit, and it really shows.
2. Very good vendor to work with during the waiting phase. He's a long way away, and sending a pile of money to someone you'll probably never meet in person can be a nail biter, but he's very in tune to these concerns, and was always accessible and very accommodating to allay one's nervousness.
3. With the kit installed, and adjusted, the shift quality is 100% improved over the Vellios unit. 
I'll say now, I have a JWest shifter, Apex joints on a straight shift rod, and this combo combined w/the 916 kit, make for short, direct gear engagement. So far, knock on wood, each and every time. I feel I can now power shift with confidence.
4. I now have a side shift kit on my 915 transmission that has FACTORY Part#'s on it, so I feel I've increased the resale value of the car relative to one day selling it.
On the down side..
1. Cost... With the Euro the way it is, the kit is now pretty pricey, but that is not Martin's fault nor should reflect on him. He works for a dollar just like we do. it's just to bad his dollar costs us $1.30.
2. No instructions included. What you get is a box of parts. If you don't know your way around a 915 box, you'll have to take it to someone who does. There was machining I needed done on mine, and some minor fitment of the shift shaft support, but nothing major.
Random Findings during the change out.
1. You'll need to thoroughly explain to Martin what you have for a 915 box so he can properly send you the correct parts for your conversion. IE: whether you have a mag case or an aluminum one. any mods you may have previously done to your trans. Billet retainer, Spray bar ETC... As I have found out, little things make a difference in the process going smoothly, or having some bumps in the road. He's designed the kits as if they were being installed, in completely stock Mechanical speedo(Mag Case), or Electric speedo (Aluminum Case) applications.
2. The support hole for the idler shaft in the nose cone needs to be chamfered. it'll come with sharp edges that'll tear the o-ring the first time you try to fit it. Chamfer that hole.
3. There is a set screw that locks down the shift lever to the shift shaft, inside the shift housing that bolts to the bottom of the transmission. LOCTITE this set screw before your final assembly. Failure to do so will result in the screw vibrating loose. The shift quality will quickly begin to deteriorate until the internal shift lever falls of the shift shaft. When that happens, you'll have 0 gears, and a floppy shifter going nowhere. Ask me how I know.. 
All in all, I'm happy with the purchase and the process. 
I should have bought it when he first put it on the market. But, I'm glad I finally got it behind me now.
I'm copying this post in the garage section.
here's a few pics of the completion.
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Posted by: larryM Jul 14 2013, 11:26 AM
Ron, thanks for this !!!!
very helpful - it seems we are crowd-sourcing the "instruction manual" here
I rec'd my kit from Martin about a month ago - still need to acquire the shifter stuff; it's all just on the shelf, for "someday" since i have a good working 901 sideshifter behind the 3.2 now
your advice mirrors my experience
- since i did not have a 915 already in pieces, i did not have the "exchange parts" Martin requires (i did not understand from the adverts that they were not included in the kit - I ordered a "complete kit" only to later learn that those cores are only an exchange deal - so guys who have not yet ordered should be sure they have the exchange parts available before sending their deposits)
- after a few back-n-forth, Martin provided a contact in NJ who supplied the cores for a fair price, and i then got the whole "complete" package
- then i got the 915 shifter console & rods from a Pelican advert
Posted by: bugat5speed May 11 2014, 03:57 AM
Looking for gearbox mechanic (company) California
Currently have a customer who wants a converted 915/916 gearbox. He´s looking for a mechanic with Porsche 915 gearbox skills and who´s intersted in doing a conversion with my 916 parts.
Please contact me if you´re interested.
Martin
Posted by: Steve Oct 3 2014, 08:12 AM
I couldn't find anyone in So Cal, that could figure out how to make it work. I ended up driving to Patrick Motorsports in Phoenix. I left my car and flew back.
Now the trans shifts like it should. Couldn't be happier. If you can't find a shop, you can always ship the trans to PMS and let them build it.
Posted by: Matt Romanowski May 2 2017, 06:58 PM
I know this is an old thread, but I wanted to give my experience. I didn't install the kit myself, I had Mark at Exotech in Plaistow, NH do it. He's a 915 expert. The kit had a few gotchas like places to clearance and how some things fit. We also did a custom oil spraybar for the drive gears and put a limited slip in.
End result - it's AWESOME! The transmission shifts awesome and the ability to pick all the gears for a reasonable price is amazing. We've only done 3 track days with this setup, but I'm excited for more.
Posted by: Luke M Mar 30 2020, 03:16 PM
Hi Martin,
What's the going rate for one of your kits these days?
Would be for an aluminum 915 gear box 1984-1986 year.
Thanks,
Luke
Posted by: Steve Mar 31 2020, 08:17 PM
Hi Martin,
What's the going rate for one of your kits these days?
Would be for an aluminum 915 gear box 1984-1986 year.
Thanks,
Luke
Here is a link to his web site with current pricing.
https://www.bugat5speed.de/en/porsche-cars/special-parts-for-porsche-transmission/103-gearbox-conversion-kit-916-for-porsche-914
I would email him direct. Sometimes he has special offers and group buys.
Posted by: Tdskip Oct 9 2021, 07:12 AM
Old thread but wanted to ask if this is still the best direction for installing a 915? Looks like there are several kits out there now.
Thanks!
Posted by: mepstein Oct 9 2021, 08:06 AM
Old thread but wanted to ask if this is still the best direction for installing a 915? Looks like there are several kits out there now.
Thanks!
Probably the only direction. WEVO doesn’t make their kits anymore and I’ve never heard great things about the cable shifter. PMS stopped selling them.
Posted by: sixnotfour Oct 14 2021, 03:39 PM
Bad thing about the cable shifters is the Muffler situation.. Because its true tail shift Trans 911..I have a old mechanical style tail shift , form renegade, its clunky..
Posted by: Cairo94507 Dec 3 2022, 09:47 AM
Just read this entire thread again...when I hit the lottery, my car would go to PMS for this 915 conversion. 
Why can't I find a bag of cash buried on my property?
Posted by: 60surfer Dec 7 2022, 01:13 PM
I currently have a complete 916 kit for sale:
https://www.bugat5speed.de/en/porsche-cars/special-parts-for-porsche-transmission/103-gearbox-conversion-kit-916-for-porsche-914
3.700 EUR incl. electric oil pump plus shipping.
Posted by: mepstein Dec 7 2022, 07:32 PM
I currently have a complete 916 kit for sale:
https://www.bugat5speed.de/en/porsche-cars/special-parts-for-porsche-transmission/103-gearbox-conversion-kit-916-for-porsche-914
3.700 EUR incl. electric oil pump plus shipping.
Do you have a picture of the parts other than the company website photos.
Posted by: 60surfer Dec 8 2022, 02:23 AM
Sure. Also shown and for sale a Quaife Diff + side cover + flanges for 915 gearbox
I currently have a complete 916 kit for sale:
https://www.bugat5speed.de/en/porsche-cars/special-parts-for-porsche-transmission/103-gearbox-conversion-kit-916-for-porsche-914
3.700 EUR incl. electric oil pump plus shipping.
Do you have a picture of the parts other than the company website photos.
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