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Posted by: McMark Jul 13 2009, 10:11 AM

Since quite a few people were interested in crank fire and aftermarket FI system I finally finished up my crank position sensor setup. So if you want to run distributor-less ignition or modern FI, this setup is the ONLY setup built specifically to bolt onto a Type 4.

It's a complete bolt on upgrade, which means no drilling or modifying any parts to make this work. Only the cooling fan needs to be removed to complete the installation.

This setup is great for modern FI system, which need a 'trigger signal'. Fuel only setups usually get their signal from the coil firing, but that signal is DIRTY and unreliable. This crank fire setup is smooth and clean. You can't beat it.

There is no other setup built specifically for our motors. Quick easy installation with no headaches.

Complete package price is $175 and includes the trigger wheel, the sensor w/ connector (pigtail or uncrimped), and the mounting bracket. You won't need to go searching for anything else.

Posted by: rdauenhauer Jul 13 2009, 01:13 PM

I want one of these!
What about a harness/connector? Is Jeff making those?

Posted by: JazonJJordan Jul 15 2009, 10:04 AM

Excellent work- McMark! I will get one of these next month too!

Posted by: euro911 Jul 16 2009, 12:05 AM

Very nice, but a question comes to mind:

How do you deal with the added thickness? ... will one need to shave [whatever the thickness of the 'trigger wheel' is] off the back of the fan mount to keep the belt aligned with the alternator pulley?

Posted by: hcdmueller Jul 16 2009, 08:01 AM

The trigger wheel is machined to be the correct thickness. You just replace the big washer with the trigger wheel. I got mine in the mail and it is beautiful. I can't wait to get it hooked up and running.

Posted by: McMark Jul 17 2009, 10:56 AM

I am soldering on wires and filling the connector with epoxy. But I'm still searching for the appropriate connector.

Posted by: McMark Jul 17 2009, 10:58 AM

Yup, there is no added thickness. This is a 100% bolt on application. It can be done in about 5 minutes (with the motor out, but completely assembled) and requires absolutely no modification of anything.

Posted by: euro911 Jul 21 2009, 11:50 PM

So the sensor replaces the trigger points in the distributor?

Posted by: McMark Jul 24 2009, 02:15 PM

This sensor is a key component of installing aftermarket fuel injection and/or some aftermarket ignition setups. What I'm offering here takes the guess work out of building these parts. But for a stock engine, these parts are useless. This setup essentially does nothing by itself, but as part of a bigger picture, they are very valuable.

If you've heard the term "crank fire" this product is the central component of that setup.

Posted by: JazonJJordan Jul 24 2009, 09:34 PM

McMark;

Any likelyhood you will progress this further into a full package/solution?

Just curious, great product. Thanks-

Posted by: McMark Jul 24 2009, 09:39 PM

I'm trying to motivate my genius EE into developing the ignition circuitry. The fuel injection setup I've been working on is complete as a fuel only solution. I'm working now on a coil on plug solution that will allow for fuel & ignition in one package.

Posted by: euro911 Jul 25 2009, 04:16 AM

I was curious as to 'how' and 'where' ignition timing adjustments were to be made ... I see what you're doing now. Thanks for splaining.

Posted by: rdauenhauer Sep 19 2009, 01:30 AM

Does the placement of the Pickup preclude the use of "full flow" plumbing?

Posted by: McMark Sep 19 2009, 01:36 AM

I think it might interfere with the return line. I'll check tomorrow and if it does I'll have to redesign the bracket, which isn't too big of a deal.

Posted by: rdauenhauer Sep 26 2009, 12:02 AM

Perhaps if it was moved to the case pinch bolt just below the oil fill tower?

Posted by: LotusJoe Dec 8 2009, 04:51 PM

Is your trigger system still avail.?

Thanks
Joe
Southern California

Posted by: McMark Dec 8 2009, 05:19 PM

Yes it is.

Posted by: ConeDodger Dec 16 2009, 11:17 AM

Since this WOULD be the perfect solution for me, if it works with SDS EFI I am wondering what SDS is using? Surely, they have not reinvented the wheel. Are they using some kind of GM electronics that can be adapted to your wheel and plugged in to their harness? Whoops! Answered my own question. GM LSX 24 Tooth. Seems to me you are redesigning to many more teeth than that. 48:1?

Invent more stuff! I want a billet aluminum YoYo with Porsche emblems on the side or 914!

Posted by: McMark Dec 16 2009, 09:15 PM

Looks like SDS is 'working on' toothed wheel setups. I've emailed them about what the latest is.

Posted by: arvcube Dec 16 2009, 11:09 PM

dont their systems currently work on magnetic triggers? requiring proper positioning of magnets on crank pulley or what not?

Posted by: McMark Dec 16 2009, 11:34 PM

Yup, SDS uses a hall effect sensor, which relies on magnets. Depending on the machining costs of my V2 trigger setup, building a Hall Effect setup MIGHT be possible. We shall see....

Posted by: draganc Jan 21 2010, 09:07 PM

Hi McMark,

What is the progress on the SDS magnet wheel/disk, and for your current design what EFI system would you recomend on a 2056 set up stock or mild cam?

Thanks,
Dragan

Posted by: McMark Jan 22 2010, 12:43 AM

My system only works with MegaSquirt for sure. It's the only one I've tested it with. And SDS/Magnet wheel is a completely different animal, and I haven't had time to research the components.

Posted by: underthetire Jan 22 2010, 10:17 AM

So, if you have used the megasquirt with this, you would have all the ignition parameters as well ? Could these be provided? I'm getting a little closer to needing one, but I would not want wires soldered and filled. I can get the connector from my neighbor or DIY auto.

Posted by: draganc Jan 22 2010, 06:54 PM

Thanks McMark,

Do you offer a complet kit (HW, MegaSquirt EFI, cable and misc.) and if yes for how much. If not, can you recommend a MegaSquirt configuration that will work with your kit on a 914 1976 with a stock 2.0 D-jet engine?

Thanks,
Dragan

Posted by: McMark Jan 27 2010, 02:53 PM

I have a complete fuel injection system that is almost ready for sale. I need to finish up the ignition portion. If you're interested in the fuel only setup, send me a PM and I'll get you the details. It's not cheap though.

Posted by: McMark Jan 27 2010, 02:55 PM

If you know of where to acquire uncrimped connectors, let me know. I'd love to abandon the current solution. I can help get your ignition setup, but there will always always always need to be tuning done specific to each engine.

Posted by: underthetire Jan 27 2010, 03:49 PM

Check here http://www.whiteproducts.com/metri-pack.shtml
Not sure what one will work, but they might.

Posted by: jd74914 Jan 28 2010, 04:35 PM

You can get Delphi WeatherPak connectors from Waytech. The only catch is that they typically have a minimum purchase of 5-10 for each component, but their prices undercut everyone else I have seen.

Posted by: McMark Jan 28 2010, 04:40 PM

This connector is not any of the (seems like hundreds) of WeatherPak connectors I've looked into. The pins are offset towards the bottom, the pins are flat not round, there is an alignment guide on both sides, and a clip on the top.

Posted by: typ4 Jan 28 2010, 11:05 PM

What is the sensor off of, I do gm injection conversions and have dealt with about all sensor connectors there is. I would be happy to try and find it for you.

Posted by: arvcube Jan 29 2010, 01:00 AM

x2 on the question about what the sensor is off of...there has to be a pigtail or that sensor...

also, since the trigger wheel is"keyed" to fit on the crank only one way, when the crank is at TDC, where is the missing tooth located in regards to where the sensor is mounted?

thanks

Posted by: typ4 Jan 29 2010, 11:14 AM

Here is a little blurb on that

http://www.megamanual.com/ms2/EDIS.htm

Posted by: arvcube Jan 29 2010, 02:40 PM

Yes, so i'm wondering if the the sensor position is 90 off from the missing tooth when at TDC or will I have to compensate through MS.
I'm running MS and EDIS on my turbo scirocco and when I mounted my sensor, I did it 90 degrees off from the missing tooth, that way I wouldn't have to compensate for the difference through Megatune (or now Tunerstudio)

Posted by: McMark Jan 30 2010, 12:30 AM

The adjustment in MegaTune is super easy and I can help with that, but if you absolutely need the missing tooth in a certain place, I can accommodate that as well.

Posted by: McMark Feb 2 2010, 11:03 PM

Rich, I've looked at relocating the sensor for full flow setups and it's not going to be as easy as I'd hoped. I'm still working on it though.

Posted by: jimkelly Feb 5 2010, 06:58 AM

for ignition only (using carbs) - what is needed?

i assume ford coil pack and edis module - is a tps needed as yarin uses?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/infinitelydigital/sets/72057594124768996/

http://www.boostengineering.net/PhotoGallery.asp?ProductCode=VWEDISMJLJKITblack

jim

Posted by: Mark Henry Feb 5 2010, 11:22 AM

Yes SDS uses magnets, Hall effect same as a Compufire, Ignitor, etc. doesn't work on missing tooth VR type
Their magnet setup is easy to install on most engines, type 4 being one of the hardest to mod because of the fan assembly.

They only offer a 24 tooth on one of the V8 systems.

Posted by: McMark Feb 5 2010, 02:33 PM

Which means my sensor works great for this.

Relying on Jake's experience with the Mechanical Advance ONLY Mallorys, I would say that you probably won't need any load sensing. Just approximate the Mallory curve into the MegaJ software and it should act like you've got a Mallory installed.

If you want to use load sensing, I would opt for vacuum based sensing. The TPS is more work to install and is a rather indirect way to approximate load.

Posted by: jimkelly Feb 6 2010, 01:46 PM

for megasquirt II per - http://www.megamanual.com/ms2/EDIS.htm
"The VR sensor and 36-1 crank trigger wheel must be set in the correct relationship to each other. With the engine at TDC for cylinder #1, this relationship is: EDIS-4: missing tooth is exactly nine teeth (90°) ahead of the VR sensor."

http://www.autosportlabs.net/MJLJ_V4_vehicle_installation_guide

http://www.autosportlabs.net/Ford_EDIS_technical_information

another reference link - http://www.dainst.com/info/edis/edis.html

jim

27june2011 - just found these connectors??
http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=5120217
http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=5120788
http://www.easternbeaver.com/Main/Elec__Products/Terminals/Open_Barrel/open_barrel.html
or these from summit racing
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/RFW-BM8/?rtype=10
bm8 or bm100
fm8 or fm100

Posted by: arvcube Oct 28 2010, 11:20 PM

i may be needing one of these pretty soon. are they still available? do you know what the sensor is off of? There has to be a pigtail that will fit it.

Posted by: McMark Nov 10 2010, 01:54 PM

They are still available. I'm having more wheels machined right now, so they're a couple weeks out. But they are still available.

The sensor is from a Subaru. I would LOVE to find a connector for it, but haven't been able to so far. If you can find one, let me know.

Posted by: arvcube Nov 10 2010, 04:16 PM

Let me know when the next one is available. I'm ready to paypal. I'll also look for a pigtail. have a p/n on that sensor by any chance?
thanks,
arvin

Posted by: rdauenhauer Nov 11 2010, 12:48 AM

Mark any more work on that full-flow config?

Posted by: McMark Nov 11 2010, 05:25 PM

Rob needs one now too, and his motor is here at the shop. So a solution is imminent.

Posted by: tracer Dec 3 2010, 02:42 PM

McMark, take a look at these suppliers. Might help out.
http://www.mouser.com/Search/Refine.aspx?Keyword=connectors+automotive

Posted by: McMark Dec 3 2010, 02:48 PM

Thanks for the tip. That's gonna take me while to sift through.

Posted by: arvcube Dec 3 2010, 03:12 PM

I'll help you. I have a vested interest.

Posted by: rdauenhauer Dec 17 2010, 03:04 AM

Any Update?

Posted by: ConeDodger Dec 17 2010, 06:15 PM

I was unable to use Mark's trigger wheel as it is incompatible with SDS at this point in time. There may be a solution out there but for the sake of expediency, I went with a Hall Sensor set up from SDS. Oh, and I am the Rob of which he speaks...

Posted by: rdauenhauer Dec 18 2010, 01:33 PM

My plans are to utilize it w/ a Ford /4 EDIS setup, but thats getting a little ahead of myself. Right now Im working to mock up my oil cooling configuration and the desire is to go full-flow but the current mount position for the sensor obstructs that ability.
If Mark was doing the heavy lifting for you Rob I was happy to benifit
But Im fully capable of doing the trailblazing.

Posted by: McMark Mar 14 2011, 05:50 PM

I finally found connectors for this. So these are now available either with a crimped pigtail, or unwired. The unwired version would be for people who are constructing their own wiring harness and want to avoid a splice.

NOTE: These need an Open Barrel Crimp Tool (picture below, NAPA P/N 726603). They are widely available and are $45 or less. This tool and the connectors that go with them are the best wiring crimp for automotive wiring.

Posted by: Mike914 Apr 1 2011, 01:25 AM

Mine came today, had a few minutes free so put it on. Had an issue with an oil galley plug in the way. A few seconds with a sanding wheel put it right.


So I'm thinking the dished side goes in, and I should set the sensor on the 9th tooth from the missing one, at TDC. Does it make a difference if the tooth is centered on the face of the sensor, or should it be closer to one edge or the other?

Posted by: 1973_1.7 May 20 2011, 02:59 AM

Great product, I have been looking for at trigger wheel for at type 4 enginge for a long time! Do you know if its possible to use this with an upright porsche cooling conversion? Will it fit behind the pulley?

Posted by: McMark May 20 2011, 02:02 PM

I happen to have a DTM equipped engine in the shop right now. I'll take some pictures and send details.

Posted by: 914Mike May 23 2011, 12:54 AM

Inquiring minds want to know! Post here so we can all see, I for one will be putting a 1.8 in my Ghia soon. I didn't leave any room for the spacer when I made my pulley, but it's really just a matter of where the alternator pulley sits. If you are making your own alt stand & sheet metal bits it can be made to work. I was planning on buying the DTM, so really would like to know if it can line up. TIA!

Posted by: McMark May 26 2011, 10:32 AM

Okay, finally had a few minutes to try all this out. I still have to make a final sensor to pulley clearance check once the new batch of sensors comes in later today. But it looks like this will all work.

This is stock DTM for reference.



Here is the trigger wheel installed just behind the unmodified DTM crank pulley.


This pushes the unmodified crank pulley out ~2.5mm, so a simple washer is installed behind the alternator pulley to space it out ~2.5mm.


Here is the overview of the whole setup installed. Belt geometry is unchanged.


I'll make a final check this afternoon and confirm that the sensor doesn't foul the crank pulley.

Posted by: McMark May 26 2011, 10:42 AM

Here's the HALL sensor mount that I used on Rob's engine. It's got magnets epoxied into a stock A/C pulley. The plate mounts securely to the oil cooler studs. Something similar could be used to mount a VR sensor (the one in the first post of this thread).


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Posted by: 914Mike May 28 2011, 05:12 PM

Great! Nice, simple solution, just what I was expecting from McMark!
I had visions of spacing the entire fan out, nice to see THAT is not necessary!

Thanks.

Posted by: McMark May 31 2011, 06:41 PM

Sensor is a tight fit. I expect it will work fine, but there is a slight possibility that it won't read the teeth.


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Posted by: draganc Jun 18 2011, 07:02 PM

I would be interested in such a solution! Do you have any idea about the time-frame?

Thanks,
Dragan

Posted by: Krank Jun 20 2011, 12:07 AM

That pick up looks an awful lot like the cam position sensor on a 7.3L from a Ford. Could be a source for a ready made connector.

Posted by: McMark Jun 20 2011, 01:04 AM

I found the connector and now include them in the kit. Thanks for the heads up though!

Posted by: 1973_1.7 Jun 23 2011, 03:36 PM

Do you sell just the trigger wheel? Price?

Posted by: John Jentz Nov 23 2011, 12:30 PM

Mark, are these CPS's still avaliable? Are you selling the coil pack mounts as detailed in another thread?

Posted by: McMark Nov 23 2011, 12:35 PM

Yeah, they are still available. I'll shoot a PM your way.

Posted by: John Jentz Nov 25 2011, 02:58 PM

PayPal and PM sent. Thanks.

Posted by: flash914 Jan 23 2012, 12:46 PM

I can't find any info on the coil mount some one else wrote about. I have a MS2 III and am wanting to go to a waste spark system but why make a new bracket if you already have one. I will be buying a pickup and wheel from you soon. Do you have a listing of any other products that you sell/make/do. Thanks

Posted by: McMark Jan 23 2012, 02:23 PM

Flash, I haven't had time to set up my web-store. I have one more coil mount setup in stock and one more trigger wheel setup in stock. But I'm always making more, so they will be available in the future.

Posted by: draganc Jan 25 2012, 09:56 AM

Mark,

I would take the coil mount in case Flash is not interested anymore.
If too late, when can you have another coil mount avalibel?

Please PM with the price and I will send you the funds via paypal.

Thanks,
Dragan

PS: your trigger wheels fits perfect.

Posted by: McMark Jan 27 2012, 12:32 AM

Dragan, I will get you a price. No word from Flash yet.

Posted by: flash914 Jan 29 2012, 08:43 PM

Go ahead and let Dragan have it. Money set back, it will be two or three months before it happens Thanks

Posted by: draganc Jan 30 2012, 09:50 PM

Thanks Flash!

Mark, please send me PM with price (I hope its not a $1,000,000) and payment details.

Regards,
Dragan

Posted by: 1973_1.7 Jul 18 2012, 01:24 AM

You still have these kits? i would like to order one from you.

Posted by: McMark Sep 5 2012, 11:32 AM

Yup, they're still available. But you should PM me cause I don't regularly check this thread.

Posted by: damo99 Oct 1 2012, 04:07 AM

how much to ship one to australia
thanks

Posted by: flash914 Jan 4 2013, 11:44 AM

Mark, new year new money. I need prices from you on the crank fire fit, coil mount plate and speedo drive up date and any other bolt ons that you ssell Thanks flash914 Gordon Sharp

Posted by: Jesco Reient Jan 28 2014, 09:21 AM

Are these still available? I'm definitely looking into sending the stock D-Jet to the Box on the shelf!
PM me details please,
John