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Posted by: detoxcowboy Oct 31 2009, 07:33 AM

Does anyone have a car painted original '73-'74 marathon blue L96M they could post? It is my cars original color though a previous owner chose to have it painted silver and there are only a few (under the gas tank ect.) spots where I can see the original color but it is in too poor of condition to get a good idea of what it really looks like. I could only find one on the internet, actually 2 but I am pretty sure the other is Alaska Blue and miss labeled. I am painting soon and do not even know if the "silver" is the real L96D silver ect. It is a huge job to tear everything off the car for a solid paint job and just want to be well informed.

I found it never u mind.....

Posted by: Tom_T Oct 31 2009, 01:23 PM

Here ya go!

Some Variation on these cars is due to lighting &/or fading, & the 74 color chart doesn't render the color too true for same reason, but this gives you a general idea. 2nd from bottom is probably the closest example of them.....







Nice chatting yesterday! ...as we discussed, Marathon is a Metallic Blue/Silver & lighter than the other 914 Metallic Blues.......& my Fav!

Posted by: Tom_T Nov 2 2009, 02:07 PM

AH HAH!!!! - Finally found them!! Here are 2 more shots of Marathon Blue I have, which are very good renditions of the actual color (at least on my screen)...





Get repainted to that purdy OE color!

Cheers!

Posted by: detoxcowboy Nov 2 2009, 02:47 PM

I think the very last picture is Alaska Blue, I know where you got those and they (p914) have a switching error possible from 73 to 74 in color ect.. I thnik so but.. I found good color on my car and it is most like the second of very last.. I will be painting Marathon Blue just because I like it, It is Orignal factory for my car, seems to age well and there are just too many Silver cars on the road especially in urban O.C., used to be every car was white now Silver... Oh and it matches my eyes.. Hell I do not know.. But thanks as my conversatuion w/ you had me take a second look at the original factory color and it was only in 73-74 for that color and the silver was early 911/ volkswagen and 914 to 75..

Posted by: Tom_T Nov 2 2009, 03:41 PM

Good choice for whatever reason, plus they're worth more in OE or restored to original color,according to George H & many others.

BTW - the Marathon Blue L96M is the same color for any & all MY's in which it was offered, or as selected as a "customer special order" color - so crossed-up links between 74 & 73 won't matter - IF they got the color right on the car. It's probably more a case of lighting, camera, screen & whether the paint mfgr./body shop properly matched the OE color in the case of a repaint.

None of the above are Alaska Blue - it's a more true blue metallic, rather than a greyish/silver-blue as above.

Here's an Alaska Blue FYI - so you can see the difference:

Posted by: Tom_T Nov 3 2009, 03:09 AM

And here's a period ad for the 914 with a Marathon Blue, I'm pretty sure....

Posted by: computers4kids Nov 4 2009, 09:33 PM

Here ya go...74 marathon blue. I painted the car last year...full bare metal strip.

Posted by: detoxcowboy Nov 4 2009, 09:57 PM

There we, thanks Cumpeters 4 kids, we have done some bussiness before ebay or audio?? Nice color, Nice Car, Thant the color closest to the color behind my vin# door jamb sticker.. but funny other places are different and some so light greenish, other silver blueish.. 30+m years will change a color. Thanks I am excited again.. Gonna ditch the unkown silver and go Maratyhon Blue, Nice lower profile color.. "chicks dig it!"

Posted by: Tom_T Nov 4 2009, 11:35 PM

IMHO - I think that last repainted 914 from computers4kids on your Marathon Blue post is too silver.

IIRC - I recall seeing them when new in the mid-70's (73 - on), and it was pretty much a silverish-blue metallic, which does change color in various lighting & angles, due to the 3 step paint used.

If you have a pure hidden non-sunbleached & weathered spot on your car, then that may be the best match, but it will take some hunting!

If you look at the pic of the actual color swatch, it is a light to medium blue with somewhat greenish undertones, but that doesn't pick up either the metallic nor the 3-coat depth.

Whereas, the actual cars do, & some look too silver or too light in the blue-range to me, whereas the ad 7 two 914s in the second post I sent you are picking up the pale blue.

BTW - if the 914 is done nice, it's a "babe magnet" in almost any color!!

Posted by: Tom_T Nov 4 2009, 11:44 PM

If you look at the top 914 above - you'll see that it incorporates just about the entire range of colors seen in all of the other samples - from the lighter more silver along the fender tops, to the deeper/richer blue at rear deck lid & front edge of the front deck lid. That's exactly what the proper 3 coat paint is supposed to do, & why Porsche charged extra for it.

If the painter goes too far either way - to a lighter/silver or deeper-blue, &/or only does a 1 or 2 step paint job, then it won't look right & will appear more flat, as the Visalia one & some of the others do in the photos. It's like that pearlescant paint which is SUPPOSED to change colors when you look at them.

Posted by: Tom_T Nov 5 2009, 01:05 AM

Here are some more color info links with color samples:

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=39488&st=0
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act=colors

For color chips in the 1st link above:
http://autocolorlibrary.com/acl_files/Porsche.html (missing 69-76??)
http://autocolorlibrary.com/acl_files/volkswagen.html

BTW - I'm not recommending PPG paint, as there are better ones out there according to the top quality paint shops & CW's here.

http://homepage.mac.com/markd/914/colors.html

http://members.rennlist.com/chuxter/914Colors.htm
http://914.pca.org/914Colors.htm

http://members.rennlist.com/914_collectibles/PaintFabrics.htm

http://www.p914.com/p914_paint-4-1974.htm

http://www.elferhelfer.de/farben.htm (in German, pick Farben , then year range) - but no Marathon Blue there

Some have links to cars in colors.

I think they use Sherwin-Williams paint where you plan to take your car, from our telecon last Friday, but they can probably match to the PPG numbers at the above auto-color-library website for VW colors in 74.

Hope this helps!

Posted by: Tom_T Nov 5 2009, 01:13 AM

FYI - here's a Porsche Factory Manual on repairing the special order three-step Metallic Paints:

Posted by: computers4kids Nov 5 2009, 07:46 AM

[quote name='Tom_T' date='Nov 4 2009, 09:35 PM' post='1234631']
IMHO - I think that last repainted 914 from computers4kids on your Marathon Blue post is too silver.
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It's like that pearlescant paint which is SUPPOSED to change colors when you look at them.
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I had a 74 marathon blue 914 when it was 3 years old, my recent paint is just like it. The paint is a very rich color and is hard to capture with a camera. Now, if you make the mistake of ordering marathon blue in the '75' year, you will end-up with a paint that is more silver and less blue. If you understand marathon blue it changes from shades of blue to blue silver according to the light conditions. More light, more silver.
Here's one out of the paint booth.

Posted by: Tom_T Nov 5 2009, 11:42 PM

[quote name='computers4kids' date='Nov 5 2009, 05:46 AM' post='1234724']
[quote name='Tom_T' date='Nov 4 2009, 09:35 PM' post='1234631']
IMHO - I think that last repainted 914 from computers4kids on your Marathon Blue post is too silver.
[/quote]

It's like that pearlescant paint which is SUPPOSED to change colors when you look at them.
[/quote]

I had a 74 marathon blue 914 when it was 3 years old, my recent paint is just like it. The paint is a very rich color and is hard to capture with a camera. Now, if you make the mistake of ordering marathon blue in the '75' year, you will end-up with a paint that is more silver and less blue. If you understand marathon blue it changes from shades of blue to blue silver according to the light conditions. More light, more silver.
Here's one out of the paint booth.

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That one picks up more of the color richness.
...probably just the bight sun on the other one you posted.

Here's one I found online tonight in Marathon with the Beige interior, which is what I would've special ordered for a 73-74, had I bought one new!



Go for it in Marathon with yours Detox!!

BTW - the 2 USA paint brands which the shop guy up at Grand & Orange-Olive Vee which we talked about, were PPG & Dunn-Edwards (looked at my notes from the BMW repaint).

Here's a couple more links to other 914world post listing the paint colors & brands/types folks like for the 914s:
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=92101
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=84667

Posted by: detoxcowboy Nov 6 2009, 08:46 PM

[quote name='Tom_T' date='Nov 5 2009, 09:42 PM' post='1235115']
[quote name='computers4kids' date='Nov 5 2009, 05:46 AM' post='1234724']
[quote name='Tom_T' date='Nov 4 2009, 09:35 PM' post='1234631']
IMHO - I think that last repainted 914 from computers4kids on your Marathon Blue post is too silver.
[/quote]

It's like that pearlescant paint which is SUPPOSED to change colors when you look at them.
[/quote]

I had a 74 marathon blue 914 when it was 3 years old, my recent paint is just like it. The paint is a very rich color and is hard to capture with a camera. Now, if you make the mistake of ordering marathon blue in the '75' year, you will end-up with a paint that is more silver and less blue. If you understand marathon blue it changes from shades of blue to blue silver according to the light conditions. More light, more silver.
Here's one out of the paint booth.

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That one picks up more of the color richness.
...probably just the bight sun on the other one you posted.

Here's one I found online tonight in Marathon with the Beige interior, which is what I would've special ordered for a 73-74, had I bought one new!



Go for it in Marathon with yours Detox!!

BTW - the 2 USA paint brands which the shop guy up at Grand & Orange-Olive Vee which we talked about, were PPG & Dunn-Edwards (looked at my notes from the BMW repaint).

Here's a couple more links to other 914world post listing the paint colors & brands/types folks like for the 914s:
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=92101
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=84667


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Definately going Marathon Blue, I mau be pushing paint back 2 more weeks due to what actually has to be done when takeing the car back apart and what should be done since the effort of doing so makes not doing something right then senseless, on dec. 24th I will have had the car 2 years with weekly projects and most of my time and money into it, so after apint I hope I can just do something else for awhile but it is addicting and hard to just stop, These cars take on a restoration life of their own, learned as I go and everything takes its own shape and priority for whatever reasons, let that be a lesson to taking your time and laying it all out in your mind and sticking to it..

Posted by: PH1 Nov 6 2009, 10:10 PM

Can you elaborate on the three part paint? What is involved in this process? Is it just three coats the Marathon Blue Metallic or is there a clear? I am planning to paint my car back to this same original color and want to do it correctly as well.

Kelvin

Posted by: Tom_T Nov 6 2009, 11:50 PM

Actually for the 914 metallics,I've seen it referred to as both 2-stage/step & 3-stage-step. Usually the topmost layer is a clear coat, as noted in that barely readable Porsche Metallic Paint Procedures above. If I read it correctly, the color coat is two parts of color & metallic with a fixer-substance - 3-step/stage??

I'd suggest taking thos pages & enhance them in a photo-program on your computer & preint them out for your use & the shop's use. That's why I put up here.

Also, talk to the paint dealer & body/paint shop doing the repaint for you, as the materials & methods have changed since then, plus some areas have strict air quality & environmental rules which limit the paint types allowed now. Even Porsche factory now uses water-based paints now, according to their website.

Good Luck!
...& show us pix after!

Posted by: Dion Nov 16 2009, 02:16 PM

Here is my car. Excuse the flares,repainted in '05 Marathon "metallic" blue.
Cheers,Dion


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Posted by: windforfun Jan 8 2010, 06:27 PM

Here you go.


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Posted by: Tom_T Jan 8 2010, 07:31 PM

...absolutely stunning!

73 or 74??

1.7, 1.8 or 2.0??

Interior color??

Detoxcowboy - you can take this pic to the shop for color matching!

Posted by: 9146986 Jan 9 2010, 08:44 AM

GM Saphire blue metallic is very close.

Posted by: Tom_T Jan 9 2010, 02:55 PM

Perry,
I think Detoxcowboy is trying to get an exact color mix match for is OE color - as opposed to others close, given all the $$'s he's poured into to it. But who knows, maybe your suggestion is what he'll go for!?

Do you or anyone know if Sekurit was also one of the OEM paint mfgrs for VW-Porsche on the 914s??
... I know they did the window glass.

I'm still trying to remember the other 914 OEM paint mfgr whosse name began with an "S......." !!??

Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Jan 9 2010, 09:51 PM

Tom,
You're not thinking of "Sikkens" paint, are you?

Paul

Posted by: tod914 Jan 10 2010, 08:24 AM

Standox is another Euro paint manufacture.

Posted by: Tom_T Jan 10 2010, 11:24 AM

Paul & Tod - it might be Sikkens or Standox or another!!?? Half-zymers sets in at 50 ya know, so I've had it for 7+ years!!

I saved a 73 Phx Red that a guy restored on my laptop where he listed the paint mfgr. I'm thinking of, & as soon as Fujitsu sends it back from repair I'll look it up & post it here & at that paint colors topic here in O&H or Garage that I referenced above.

Posted by: Tom_T Jan 16 2010, 01:36 AM

.
Okay, so now that I have my laptop back with my 914 files, I've found the link below for the Phx. Red I'd seen FS awhile back, that had named a German paint brand:
> Spies Hecker ........ turns out it was right here on the world!

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=93757

Is that an OEM paint mfgr. for VW-Porsche on the 914s, or just a current German mfgr of good quality auto paints??

Tomorrow the laptop goes back to them cuz they replaced the motherboard - but without the Bluetooth option which I had & didn't repair all problems!!!!
... so now I'll be SOL again on my 914 pix & files for another week or two!!
... soon to be ...

Posted by: detoxcowboy Jan 22 2010, 10:33 AM

That is it right there, thats the original; color I see in the hidden spots of my "Silver" 914.. Perfect

Posted by: Tom_T Jan 22 2010, 01:25 PM

Make sure you post some pix here of yours when it's done!

Try to Stay Dry!
Tom
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Posted by: detoxcowboy Jun 5 2010, 03:15 PM

Marathon Blue L96m

The color is actually changes shade depending on the ambient lighting, Much more GLOSSY,METALLIC and DEPTH OF COLOR than my cell phone pics can show you but. .. Thanks everyone!! Just got it out of the paint shop today!! Now I know/understand why the pics seem different color when I was researching Marathon Blue,

Posted by: detoxcowboy Jun 5 2010, 03:38 PM

Posted by: Tom_T Jun 7 2010, 12:08 AM

Joe - that color changing is what I always liked about it myself!

Did MAACO do it??

Nice job! I'd like to come over & look at it, but I'd probably just all over your nice new paint job anyway!

Cheers!
Tom
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