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Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jun 30 2010, 01:31 PM

I see them both ways, on high quality, low-mile, original 914s.

Which is correct and original?

This first car is George's 10K mile 1974 car.


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Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jun 30 2010, 01:32 PM

The 1974 Mark Donohue car


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Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jun 30 2010, 01:33 PM

VIN 4732914926


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Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jun 30 2010, 01:33 PM

VIN 4732915240


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Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jun 30 2010, 01:34 PM

VIN 4732919787


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Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jun 30 2010, 01:35 PM

VIN 4732926357


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Posted by: Gustl Jun 30 2010, 01:36 PM

from my best knowledge, these should be bright orange

I'll check out some marketing brochures to see if I could find a photo where you can see them new ...

Gustl

Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jun 30 2010, 01:36 PM

VIN 4742904459


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Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jun 30 2010, 01:36 PM

VIN 4742905929


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Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jun 30 2010, 01:37 PM

VIN 4752901443


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Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jun 30 2010, 01:38 PM

VIN 4752903075


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Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jun 30 2010, 01:58 PM

I am inclined to think they are bright orange too but find little evidence. The 1973-74 brochures are euro cars...different receivers. Only one photo in a 1975 brochure shows it as orange. If they are to be orange, then they must fade pretty easily for even the best 914s to have them fade.

This from 1973 brochure:


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Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jun 30 2010, 01:58 PM

74 brochure


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Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jun 30 2010, 01:59 PM

75 brochure


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Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jun 30 2010, 02:02 PM

very bright orange. We had them made and have many exact self stick ones on the shelf.

Posted by: Tom_T Jun 30 2010, 03:16 PM

Hey Jeff, after we talked about this at your place back at the end of April, at your suggestion I did go back & look up into the recess of the "press" button & sure enough saw a tiny relic of the orange neon color! I'll bet it's the same for the others you've pictured above.

4732901954 - actually is Orange up inside -


This "PRESS" discussion reminds me of the old 3 Stooges episode where they took the knobs off of the old 20's- 30's truck to use as "Press Badges" to get into some event -
PRESS - PRESS & Curly with PULL

Posted by: Tom_T Jun 30 2010, 03:20 PM

As an adjunct to this topic, I found this source online for replacement & rebuilt 914 seatbelts, has anyone used them & are they any good, CW or DD quality, etc.?

http://www.peparts.com/Categories.bok?category=SEAT+BELTS%3APorsche

Posted by: Pat Garvey Jun 30 2010, 08:24 PM

They are VERY bright, neon orange. Many were destroyed by usage, or lost the color due to ultraviolet exposure.

Easily replaced. Call George.
Pat

Posted by: Tom_T Jun 30 2010, 09:38 PM

Apparently there are several sources out there for these, in a wide range of prices $2.50 - $9+, but I can't speak for quality on any of them (listed in ascending price).

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Porsche-911-912-914-seat-belt-seatbelt-button-labels-/290438861186?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item439f815182 (he may be member here? "Valy"??)

http://www.peparts.com/Detail.bok?no=120 (same group as repl. seatbelts I noted above)

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=67091 (member vendor)

http://www.autoatlanta.org/detail.lasso?PartNumber=B914803183A&serial_number=206039 - AA (as noted by others) - member/advertiser here

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/PORSCHE-914-911-912-SEAT-BELT-PRESS-LABELS- _W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem3caea36ecdQQitemZ260627984077QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTru
ckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

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There may be other sources too?

Posted by: Tom_T Jun 30 2010, 09:54 PM

Jeff - that neon orange fades pretty quickly for some reason. As a kid I made a plywood skim board & painted it neon orange, which faded to almost white within a year or two of use in the sun on the beach.

The 73 brochure pic may be the same seatbealt receiver as USA (same round silver plunger), but without the "press" label installed - i.e.: just the black plastic inner button of the assy. showing. IIRC they went to the retractable belts for 73 MY, so maybe they shot this pic before the interior design was finalized.

I suggest this, because this same brochure also shows the center console OT gauge with numbers/ticks instead of the final wide red band OT gauge face, as below -

Posted by: tod914 Jul 1 2010, 09:25 AM

Tom, the bright orange decals were exclusive to the 914 2.0 "S" models.

Posted by: windforfun Jul 1 2010, 10:32 AM

My "73 1.7 has them. They're faded now.

Posted by: Gustl Jul 1 2010, 11:16 AM

any evidence for this "theory"

Posted by: Gustl Jul 1 2010, 11:17 AM

same for my '74 1.8 ...

Posted by: Tom_T Jul 1 2010, 12:02 PM

Hardy, Har, Har Tod! In the words of the great Moe ..... "Why I oughtta!....."

Wolfgang & Wind4fun, he's just fun at me!

Just for that Tod, I'm going to start a "914S Registry"!
.... hmmmmmmm ......

Posted by: tod914 Jul 1 2010, 05:36 PM

Tom, rumor has it, the "S" designation on the 73 2.0 model year cars were made of the same material as the seat belt decal. Over time they faded, and hence an enigma.

Posted by: Pat Garvey Jul 1 2010, 08:37 PM

Little known fact here - the decals were neon green on the LE Grasshopper edition.
Pat (TIC)

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Posted by: Tom_T Jul 1 2010, 09:55 PM

Well shoot! ... then I guess I'd better not use that 914-S badge I just got anodized neon orange!
Maybe I can get it re-anodized neon green for Pat?

Hey Pat, they had a matching 914-LE badge in neon green too!


Poor Jeff was trying to have a serious originality topic here, & in come the clowns!

Posted by: Pat Garvey Jul 2 2010, 06:50 PM

OK, let's get serious here! They were neon orange on the Grasshopper too!

Now, as to the original spin. Here's the deal on fluoro printing. Got this from the original patent holder back in 1970 (the chemist who developed it & made millions from it).

Fluorescent backgrounds are cute, but significantly compromised by UV and fluorescent lighting. The life span is very short before they start changing to different shades. Particularly if your 914 is parked in the sun. Or, if you have high levels of fluoro lighting in your garage.

Talk to the retailers who typically use the colors on markdowm products. They begin fading in 2 weeks. Change from orande to yellow. Because they are surrouned by fkourescent lighting.

There are a couple of guys who have remaunufatered these pieces & they are good. But, expect them to fade quickly too. Two years tops in the sun.

Have some, but will wait to put them on.
Pat

Posted by: Tom_T Jul 2 2010, 07:05 PM

Great info Pat! Sounds about the same color-life as the spray can florescent-orange I used on my skim board back in the 60's. I'm waiting to do labels on mine for the same reason, not to mention a boat-load of other stuff to do first!

Posted by: tod914 Jul 3 2010, 09:03 AM

Are the new labels you guys purchased precut or do they come on a sheet?

Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jul 4 2010, 04:16 PM

This NOS receiver was just placed on ebay.


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Posted by: Tom_T Jul 4 2010, 04:42 PM

OMG Jeff - The Holy Grail of PRESSing issues!
... wonder what that will go for?

The tougher thing to find/keep in good condition IMHO is the belt on the reel, since it moves through the metal bits & gets frayed over time.

Tod - I haven't bought anything as yet, so I can't speak to your question above.
... maybe others can speak up as to who, what, where for the best quality on the lables, & since they fade so fast, it's probably a good idea to buy 2 sets, so you don't have to hunt when the new ones fade, as Pat said so eloquently!

Happy 4th!