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Posted by: Pat Garvey Dec 5 2010, 08:26 PM
I know that the "snowplow" rear valence is rare, but am wondering about those who have one.
Is it mounted?
Mine cannot be mounted until the car comes off from jackstands because the jack will destroy it.
Just wondering.
Pat
Posted by: smontanaro Dec 6 2010, 06:11 AM
Pix? I have no idea what you're referring to Pat.
Skip
Posted by: Pat Garvey Dec 6 2010, 07:07 PM
The "snowplow" rear valence was standard on 70-72 models. It is larger than the subsequent model, with the tailpipe exiting through the metal, rather than underneath in 73-on valences. It was referred to as the "snowplow" because, in cases of 6 inches or more of snow, it "plowed" the snow up & under & aroung the muffler/valence area. Resulted in fairly rapid rusting of both parts.
It is a very rare part, and is different for the six and four.
This is what the "snowplow" looks like:
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Posted by: 6freak Dec 7 2010, 10:10 AM
yep its on mine anyway .dont know where my Dads is? prolly the attic
Posted by: Pat Garvey Dec 7 2010, 05:06 PM
yep its on mine anyway .dont know where my Dads is? prolly the attic
Nice!
This past summer I saw a snowplow that had been "modified" horribly to fit the twin-pipe sport muffler. he vibrations from the muffler had created stress cracks all over it valence. Sad waste of a very valuable/rare part.
Pat
Posted by: Jasfsmith Dec 14 2010, 08:34 AM
I know that the "snowplow" rear valence is rare, but am wondering about those who have one.
Is it mounted?
Mine cannot be mounted until the car comes off from jackstands because the jack will destroy it.
Just wondering.
Pat
Mine is still mounted, however I always heard it referred to as a snow scoop.
I drove my 914-4 for a year in the snow and was always going to the car wash to remove the ice packed snow from the ends of the rear valance.
Posted by: Pat Garvey Dec 14 2010, 08:35 PM
I know that the "snowplow" rear valence is rare, but am wondering about those who have one.
Is it mounted?
Mine cannot be mounted until the car comes off from jackstands because the jack will destroy it.
Just wondering.
Pat
Mine is still mounted, however I always heard it referred to as a snow scoop.
I drove my 914-4 for a year in the snow and was always going to the car wash to remove the ice packed snow from the ends of the rear valance.
Yeah, did that too, but I did it in my driveway. Once I "fitted" the Bursch exhaust to it, it died from vibration in a year. Thankfull to have found a perfect one.
This one will die with me/the 914.
Pat
Posted by: realred914 Dec 15 2010, 11:55 PM
didn't they change the design to help reduce heat under the car? that is what i Heard anyway, that si why the later vlaances are shorter, to allow better under car air flow. anyone know for sure ?
Posted by: Jasfsmith Dec 16 2010, 09:37 AM
didn't they change the design to help reduce heat under the car? that is what i Heard anyway, that si why the later vlaances are shorter, to allow better under car air flow. anyone know for sure ?
Yes. Though more likely to keep the heat down in the rear trunk....
Posted by: Pat Garvey Dec 16 2010, 05:27 PM
Engine heat was defintely higher with the snowplow. When I switched ('76) to th shorter version the change was noticeable. Vapor lock went away.
Have a friend who had a six & had the snowplow louvred. Helped with heat dissipation, looked really cool, but (because it was a winter driver), accelerated the rust process of the valence.
My 914 will get driven infrequently, so the "plow" will go on - cost too much not to enjoy.
Posted by: 74914LE Dec 25 2010, 11:22 AM
Does anyone know, if the rear valence was used for the entire 72 model year, or if it changed to the later version mid production, like the front brakes? I have a late production 72, with the late style front brakes, and since everything else is stock, I want to make sure that I get this correct.
Posted by: Pat Garvey Dec 25 2010, 12:29 PM
Does anyone know, if the rear valence was used for the entire 72 model year, or if it changed to the later version mid production, like the front brakes? I have a late production 72, with the late style front brakes, and since everything else is stock, I want to make sure that I get this correct.
They did not change to the later version until the 73 models, so far as I know.
Mine is a late 72, vin 4722918725, and came with the snowplow. Is your vin later or earlier?
Pat
Posted by: 74914LE Dec 25 2010, 02:17 PM
Yes, mine is 4722921445 So it was 2,720 cars past yours. It would be interesting to find out if there is a later 72, and what it had. I have seen a couple of early 73 cars that have the doors without the side impact beams, so I know that there were situations where things changed in the middle of the production year.
Posted by: Michael N Dec 25 2010, 03:46 PM
I remounted mine on the car several years ago because I wanted the original look. I also like that the front and rear valances match the height of the rocker covers and give the car a balanced look. I understand why so many removed these off the car as after longer drives not only does the trunk area get warmer than with a short valance, but the rear quarter panels also get very warm.
Posted by: rwjames Jan 6 2011, 10:11 PM
Pat,
I have the original rear valance on my Tangerine 1970 914-6.
The original owner of my first 914-6 hacked about 6 louvers in the center of the rear valance as he thought that would help reduce heat around the exhaust system. What a crime he committed in destroying that valance. You may have seen that yellow 914-6 back in the 1970's and 1980's as the owner lived in Louisville, KY.
Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Jan 8 2011, 10:10 PM
Here's an O.E.M. valence on a '70/4.
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Posted by: McMark Jan 31 2011, 01:15 PM
Here's one I did. I don't feel bad about mod-ing it, since I started with a total POS. I consider this saved, compared to what it was!
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Posted by: Pat Garvey Jan 31 2011, 07:20 PM
Anyone see the six version on eBay for $1250? And it needs work!
I'd sell my perfectly restored for valence for less than that, though not much.
Pat
Posted by: Pat Garvey Jan 31 2011, 07:23 PM
Pat,
I have the original rear valance on my Tangerine 1970 914-6.
The original owner of my first 914-6 hacked about 6 louvers in the center of the rear valance as he thought that would help reduce heat around the exhaust system. What a crime he committed in destroying that valance. You may have seen that yellow 914-6 back in the 1970's and 1980's as the owner lived in Louisville, KY.
You are probably right. I won't fault you for not giving the owners name in public, but a PM would be appreciated.
Pat
Posted by: nathansnathan Feb 9 2011, 01:06 PM
I think I read that only the nla stock muffler will fit through the hole. The bursch exhaust, you are supposed to have to go to the notched rear valance I think.
I was excited to have found a stock 1.7 muffler so I can use the 'snow plow' that my car came with. - I had no idea the early valance was so rare
I think the muffler-out-the-hole looks really cool. 
Posted by: smontanaro Feb 9 2011, 02:39 PM
I have a nice /6, but I think it would be worth more as parts given the rarity of many of them (gas burners, early valance and rear bumper, foot rest, tool kit, etc etc).
Posted by: Pat Garvey Feb 9 2011, 07:14 PM
I think I read that only the nla stock muffler will fit through the hole. The bursch exhaust, you are supposed to have to go to the notched rear valance I think.
I was excited to have found a stock 1.7 muffler so I can use the 'snow plow' that my car came with. - I had no idea the early valance was so rare
I think the muffler-out-the-hole looks really cool.
You are correct! A Bursch will destroy the snowplow - yes, you can make it fit, but not without destroying the intergrity of the "plow" (ask me how I know!).
The early rear valence is not unobtainium for a four, but you'll have to put a lot of work into one that you'll pay dearly for to make it right. If you have a six, there are fewer options. The one I saw recently on AA was about $1200, and it needed work! From the pics, I'd expect a body shop to cost another 5-600 to make it right!
In both cases - ONLY the stock muffler will fit the openings.
Pat
Posted by: degreeoff Feb 15 2011, 07:41 PM
I love the way mine looks. Just sayin.....and it isn't original.....but you knew that.
Posted by: haasman Apr 9 2012, 07:16 PM
Good thread. I have a '70 914-6 with 57k original miles.
I need to repaint the original rear valance. What color black is it. I know it isn't gloss, flat etc.
Can anybody direct me to a source of the correct paint/color?
Thanks ind advance,
Haasman
Posted by: Lennies914 Apr 9 2012, 07:27 PM
I have one on my '75. It's not in great shape, but I'd prefer to have a later style. Trades for a nice correct one?
Posted by: Aaron Cox Apr 10 2012, 10:28 AM
I love the way mine looks. Just sayin.....and it isn't original.....but you knew that.
any close ups of how you flared the rear valence?
Posted by: unpolire Apr 10 2012, 03:27 PM
Darn, just picked up an OEM that I thought was for my 1972, but now I see it is for a 1973+ car!
Posted by: Pat Garvey Apr 11 2012, 04:46 PM
Good thread. I have a '70 914-6 with 57k original miles.
I need to repaint the original rear valance. What color black is it. I know it isn't gloss, flat etc.
Can anybody direct me to a source of the correct paint/color?
Thanks ind advance,
Haasman
I've posted this response several times, but here goes......
The "original" finish (both sides) was primer, Bodyshutz (3M), followed by satin black (Glasurit, or any satin black).
Posted by: Pat Garvey Apr 11 2012, 04:49 PM
I have one on my '75. It's not in great shape, but I'd prefer to have a later style. Trades for a nice correct one?
Lennie,
Sorry to inform you....you don't have one!
The "snowplow" rear valence was available ONLY on 914's through 1972 MY. You can't have a "later style", because it doesn't exist! You have (without pictures) the same rear valence that all 914's had from MY 1973!
Posted by: Lennies914 Apr 11 2012, 05:46 PM
I have one on my '75. It's not in great shape, but I'd prefer to have a later style. Trades for a nice correct one?
Lennie,
Sorry to inform you....you don't have one!
The "snowplow" rear valence was available ONLY on 914's through 1972 MY. You can't have a "later style", because it doesn't exist! You have (without pictures) the same rear valence that all 914's had from MY 1973!
Pat,
Maybe I wasn't clear. I have an early "snow plow" (I think) rear valance on my '75 but would prefer a post '72 rear valance.
Posted by: Pat Garvey Apr 12 2012, 05:00 PM
I have one on my '75. It's not in great shape, but I'd prefer to have a later style. Trades for a nice correct one?
Lennie,
Sorry to inform you....you don't have one!
The "snowplow" rear valence was available ONLY on 914's through 1972 MY. You can't have a "later style", because it doesn't exist! You have (without pictures) the same rear valence that all 914's had from MY 1973!
Pat,
Maybe I wasn't clear. I have an early "snow plow" (I think) rear valance on my '75 but would prefer a post '72 rear valance.
Lennie,
Understand now.
If what you have on your goegeous 914 is an early snowplow, you have a goldmine! But it looks somewhat out of spec. Others chime in here please. Maybe it's the pic, but it looks to be too short from top to bottom.
Regardless, there are proper valences available for your '75. PM me about one that is coming off my '72 this spring. Others are available too, but may need refinishing.
Interesting!
Posted by: Lennies914 Apr 12 2012, 07:33 PM
Pat,
In talking with another long time member I am being told that there is a "larger" or "deeper" one that came on the sixes. The one on my car was on the early 1.7's.
Posted by: mepstein Apr 12 2012, 07:46 PM
I have one on mine but it's slightly molested to fit an aftermarket exhaust
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Posted by: Pat Garvey Apr 14 2012, 06:56 PM
Pat,
In talking with another long time member I am being told that there is a "larger" or "deeper" one that came on the sixes. The one on my car was on the early 1.7's.
Lennie,
They were both the same size. The only difference was the placement of the exhaust hole. Both measure, from top edge to bottom edge (using a tape measure) approc 6 3/4 inches. The six version will not work for a four & vice versa.
Posted by: markb Jun 9 2012, 06:10 PM
I have one of the snowplows that I had restored & painted to match the other valences on the car, since I've made the outside of the car look like a 70. I'm up in the air as to have the Bursch muffler pipe cut off & replaced with a pipe that will fit thru the hole, or sell the snowplow & go with the shorter version. What say you? What should I ask for the snowplow should I decide to sell it?
Posted by: haasman Jun 9 2012, 09:02 PM
I have one of the snowplows that I had restored & painted to match the other valences on the car, since I've made the outside of the car look like a 70. I'm up in the air as to have the Bursch muffler pipe cut off & replaced with a pipe that will fit thru the hole, or sell the snowplow & go with the shorter version. What say you? What should I ask for the snowplow should I decide to sell it?
Curious , what did you choose for paint?
Haasman
Posted by: markb Jun 9 2012, 10:27 PM
I left it up to the painter (longtime 914 guy) but it came out a lot glossier than intended, so it's not even close to stock.
Posted by: Mark Henry Jun 10 2012, 10:12 AM
They did FG repops of these right?
MDG gave me one (FG) so I'm not going to feel bad about modding it with grills, etc. 
Posted by: MDG Jun 10 2012, 07:33 PM
Yes - repros are out there. Mod away. You'll find it will need a LOT of fitting anyway.
Posted by: Cairo94507 Jun 20 2012, 06:02 PM
I happen to have an early deep valance for a 4 cylinder car that is ready to install in the classified section. http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=188591
$650 will take it.
Posted by: nathansnathan Jun 21 2012, 06:55 AM
I bought mine for $1250 and they threw the car in for free. 
Posted by: Pat Garvey Jun 22 2012, 04:51 PM
I bought mine for $1250 and they threw the car in for free.
Sounds like you made a good deal....if the "plow" restorable!
Posted by: nathansnathan Jun 26 2012, 07:11 AM
I bought mine for $1250 and they threw the car in for free.
Sounds like you made a good deal....if the "plow" restorable!
Yeah, I guess they go for about that, it's listed at $600 in the nla section of jeff bowlesby's site
http://bowlsby.net/914/Classic/NLAParts.htm
Here's my little gem with it from-the-side, this from the pics I saw when I bought the car, santa monica 2010.
Posted by: zymurgist Jun 26 2012, 09:29 AM
I have one of the snowplows that I had restored & painted to match the other valences on the car, since I've made the outside of the car look like a 70. I'm up in the air as to have the Bursch muffler pipe cut off & replaced with a pipe that will fit thru the hole, or sell the snowplow & go with the shorter version. What say you? What should I ask for the snowplow should I decide to sell it?
Considering what the snowplow is worth compared to the Bursch muffler, I'd mod the tailpipe.
Posted by: Pat Garvey Jul 10 2012, 04:43 PM
914_Partsearly.pdf ( 83.53k )
Number of downloads: 622
This should be interesting.
Recieved an e-mail from a long-time bud & former six owner about the rear early snowplow. He still has his parts manual, though the six went to Canada years ago and still exists in racer form.
He bought the six new. It was his only driver. But, he met Chuck Stoddard who had a louvered rear valence on Gronk (Stoddard's name for his six). It seems that there was a louvred rear valance available in the early years.
He sent me a pdf of 8.4 of his parts manual from very early 1970 and it shows such an option!
Posted by: mepstein Jul 10 2012, 05:12 PM
Pat - Cool info. Nice find. mark
Posted by: Cairo94507 Jul 12 2012, 12:00 PM
I would be interested in seeing that picture Pat. I have seen some early snow plows that were louvered but always assumed it was the result of customization. I had the engine lid on my irish green six louvered probably 25 years ago at least and it looked really cool and kind of factory.
Posted by: Pat Garvey Jul 12 2012, 03:40 PM
I would be interested in seeing that picture Pat. I have seen some early snow plows that were louvered but always assumed it was the result of customization. I had the engine lid on my irish green six louvered probably 25 years ago at least and it looked really cool and kind of factory.
I take it that the pdf is not loading for some reason. It's a simple file - any suggestions?
Pat
Posted by: markb Jul 14 2012, 09:35 PM
I put my snowplow up for sale today in the classifieds, if anyone is interested.
Posted by: mepstein Jul 15 2012, 06:31 AM
I would be interested in seeing that picture Pat. I have seen some early snow plows that were louvered but always assumed it was the result of customization. I had the engine lid on my irish green six louvered probably 25 years ago at least and it looked really cool and kind of factory.
I take it that the pdf is not loading for some reason. It's a simple file - any suggestions?
Pat
Works for me. Just takes a while.
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Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Jul 17 2012, 06:27 PM
That louvered rear valence must be a truely rare item. I remember the /6 that Pat was referring to previously, and the slotted rear panel was really cool looking. At the time, the mid '70s, not a lot of concern and attention was paid to originality. That 914/6 with the slotted rear valence was certainly unique and those of us who noticed it knew it for a "custom" piece of fabrication, but I don't think neither Pat nor I had any idea that such a part was (in theory) available as a factory PORSCHE part.
Besides looking great, I'd bet the slots in the deep valence panel would help relieve the hot air build-up beneath the engine and by the muffler.
I would imagine a reproduction, slotted, rear valence panel would have a limited market, given that it probably would be expensive to manufacture.
Paul
Posted by: sixerdon Jul 17 2012, 07:46 PM
914_Partsearly.pdf ( 83.53k )
Number of downloads: 622This should be interesting.
Recieved an e-mail from a long-time bud & former six owner about the rear early snowplow. He still has his parts manual, though the six went to Canada years ago and still exists in racer form.
He bought the six new. It was his only driver. But, he met Chuck Stoddard who had a louvered rear valence on Gronk (Stoddard's name for his six). It seems that there was a louvred rear valance available in the early years.
He sent me a pdf of 8.4 of his parts manual from very early 1970 and it shows such an option!
Pat, is your bud interested in selling his early parts manual? I would be interested to match my /6 cars.
Don
Posted by: Pat Garvey Jul 18 2012, 04:28 PM
914_Partsearly.pdf ( 83.53k )
Number of downloads: 622This should be interesting.
Recieved an e-mail from a long-time bud & former six owner about the rear early snowplow. He still has his parts manual, though the six went to Canada years ago and still exists in racer form.
He bought the six new. It was his only driver. But, he met Chuck Stoddard who had a louvered rear valence on Gronk (Stoddard's name for his six). It seems that there was a louvred rear valance available in the early years.
He sent me a pdf of 8.4 of his parts manual from very early 1970 and it shows such an option!
Pat, is your bud interested in selling his early parts manual? I would be interested to match my /6 cars.
Don
Don.
I'll find out. Any idea what it's worth? He's over 70 & hasn't had a six for 30 plus years ( and never will again, I think).
Posted by: sixerdon Jul 20 2012, 07:12 AM
914_Partsearly.pdf ( 83.53k )
Number of downloads: 622This should be interesting.
Recieved an e-mail from a long-time bud & former six owner about the rear early snowplow. He still has his parts manual, though the six went to Canada years ago and still exists in racer form.
He bought the six new. It was his only driver. But, he met Chuck Stoddard who had a louvered rear valence on Gronk (Stoddard's name for his six). It seems that there was a louvred rear valance available in the early years.
He sent me a pdf of 8.4 of his parts manual from very early 1970 and it shows such an option!
Pat, is your bud interested in selling his early parts manual? I would be interested to match my /6 cars.
Don
Pat, PM sent.
Don
Don.
I'll find out. Any idea what it's worth? He's over 70 & hasn't had a six for 30 plus years ( and never will again, I think).
Posted by: sixerdon Jul 20 2012, 07:13 AM
(try this again)
Pat, PM sent.
Don
Posted by: Lennies914 Jul 20 2012, 07:43 AM
This just showed up on CL. DAPO welded over the hole!
http://monterey.craigslist.org/pts/3141329533.html
Posted by: Pat Garvey Jul 24 2012, 05:13 PM
914_Partsearly.pdf ( 83.53k )
Number of downloads: 622This should be interesting.
Recieved an e-mail from a long-time bud & former six owner about the rear early snowplow. He still has his parts manual, though the six went to Canada years ago and still exists in racer form.
He bought the six new. It was his only driver. But, he met Chuck Stoddard who had a louvered rear valence on Gronk (Stoddard's name for his six). It seems that there was a louvred rear valance available in the early years.
He sent me a pdf of 8.4 of his parts manual from very early 1970 and it shows such an option!
Pat, is your bud interested in selling his early parts manual? I would be interested to match my /6 cars.
Don
Pat, PM sent.
Don
Don.
I'll find out. Any idea what it's worth? He's over 70 & hasn't had a six for 30 plus years ( and never will again, I think).
Sorry Don - he's silent so far.
Posted by: euro911 Sep 1 2012, 10:17 AM
The stock muffler was shot on my wife's '71, so I installed a 'temporary' Bursch style muffler and a late model short valance. The plow was pretty banged-up anyway.
I did notice the vapor-lock issue was lessened with the shorter valance, but the plow will eventually be repaired and re-installed after the car goes through it's restoration process.
Even though not correct for '71, I'm thinking about installing those under-body deflector plates to help avoid vapor-lock in the future 
Posted by: Pat Garvey Sep 11 2012, 07:23 PM
The stock muffler was shot on my wife's '71, so I installed a 'temporary' Bursch style muffler and a late model short valance. The plow was pretty banged-up anyway.
I did notice the vapor-lock issue was lessened with the shorter valance, but the plow will eventually be repaired and re-installed after the car goes through it's restoration process.
Even though not correct for '71, I'm thinking about installing those under-body deflector plates to help avoid vapor-lock in the future
Look, I'm a stalwart fan of the rear snowplow. My original was destroyed by a Bursch exhaust, which is why I was forced to go with the short valence,
I noticed that the vapor-lock problem disappeared when I did that also.
But the purist in me made me search for a proper snowplow, something that took ten years to find a bolt on. It will go on when the car comes off the stands this fall. It will stay one too. It SHOULD be there.
Posted by: BENBRO02 May 4 2022, 10:56 AM
I think Porsche knew something when they omitted the rear valence from the GT cars. I believe removing it aids in cooling and aerodynamics.
Posted by: LefthandRev May 6 2022, 03:31 PM
I think Porsche knew something when they omitted the rear valence from the GT cars. I believe removing it aids in cooling and aerodynamics.
I actually prefer the appearance without it.
Posted by: type47fan Jun 10 2022, 08:07 AM
I have one on my '75. It's not in great shape, but I'd prefer to have a later style. Trades for a nice correct one?
From 2001, here's an early ('72) valance modified for an ANSA exhaust on my '76.
In 2015, I reinstalled the complete, original CA exhaust/emission systems with the correct valance.
Posted by: gandalf_025 Jun 13 2022, 07:29 AM
This is a factory 6 snowplow..
Well, it WAS, until around 1974 when I had it cut down like the new cars..
I also spray painted the headlight surrounds black at the same time..
Posted by: Pat Garvey Jun 15 2022, 05:42 PM
This is a factory 6 snowplow..
Well, it WAS, until around 1974 when I had it cut down like the new cars..
I also spray painted the headlight surrounds black at the same time..
Why didn't you just use the later valance?
Posted by: Garland Jun 15 2022, 10:33 PM
This was a 6 valance, and I had to move the hole slightly outboard and weld in a plate to cover the difference. I trimmed the Triad tips off about 3", installed the valance and outlined the locations for the holes from the backside of the valance. The exhaust is very well made, but it, or the car was slightly off on side to side height. So a slight shim on one trans mount, and a extra washer at the engine bar made it correct. I left about a 1/2 " clearance around the pipe after increasing the size to fit the A8 tips. The holes are not round since the valance is angled. Slightly oval cut.
The reason I cut a 6 valance was it had been cut before to fit a 4!. Hard to think the PO did that.
Posted by: gandalf_025 Jun 18 2022, 10:00 AM
This is a factory 6 snowplow..
Well, it WAS, until around 1974 when I had it cut down like the new cars..
I also spray painted the headlight surrounds black at the same time..
Why didn't you just use the later valance?
It would have required BUYING a new one..
And who knew these would be worth anything back in 1974…
Posted by: ClayPerrine Oct 25 2022, 12:08 PM
When we bought our six from Rusty, it had the short rear valence on it and a 911 muffler. When we brought it home, we took it to Mayo Performance to have Ed Mayo do an insurance appraisal. While we were there, Ed had a visitor from California who told me he had an NOS 914-6 "snowplow" valence. I got his info, and we bought the valence. Only thing was the muffler outlet would not fit the valence. So we removed the tailpipe from the muffler, and modified it to fit the valence. It looks right, but we know it is not original.
Someday we will get a factory 914-6 muffler.
Clay
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