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Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 3 2012, 10:53 PM
This site has gotten a little too quiet for my liking, so in an unselfish attempt to liven things up, I thought a different perspective on originality might be in order.
The idea for this thread came about from viewing eBay posts calling attention to a particular 914 and the resultant comments (some rather blistering) with regard to the alleged,implied, or stated originality/authenticity of aforementioned vehicle.
Being the second owner of this 1970/4 for the past 37 years, and for the most part having kept it true to factory spec and appearance during this period, I think a thread inviting interested Forum members to point out discrepencies and alterations from OEM might make for some interesting viewing and reading.
This is not an invitation to pick nits about cleanliness or color preferences or my "taste" in what I've changed from stock. It is an invite, however to find what I changed, or "improved". Some mods will be very obvious, others, I will be surprised if they will be noticed at all.
Hopefully, if this thread prospers, we will see other members post their specific OEM (or almost OEM) model years for close scrutiny.
I shall post photos of a specific area on the car until all comments and observations noting the anomilies are accounted for.
Remember, this is a 1970, 1.7, build date January 1970.
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Posted by: 6freak Mar 3 2012, 11:17 PM
such as the wrong valance and rear view mirror ..and of course the LP..Ill keep look n
MikeC
Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 3 2012, 11:30 PM
QUOTE(6freak @ Mar 3 2012, 09:17 PM)
such as the wrong valance and rear view mirror ..and of course the LP..Ill keep look n
MikeC
You are correct regarding the front valence change , but the interior rear view mirror is original to the car.
Paul
Posted by: Gustl Mar 3 2012, 11:30 PM
it's very unlikely that this old german customs licence plate came with the car when you bought it
Posted by: Gustl Mar 3 2012, 11:32 PM
QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Mar 4 2012, 06:30 AM)
but the interior rear view mirror is original to the car.
I don't think so ... this rear view mirror is the later style
it came in MY'72
Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 3 2012, 11:33 PM
Next view......
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Posted by: Gustl Mar 3 2012, 11:34 PM
original wheels should be 155SR15 - the ones on your car look much wider
Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 3 2012, 11:46 PM
QUOTE(6freak @ Mar 3 2012, 09:17 PM)
such as the wrong valance and rear view mirror ..and of course the LP..Ill keep look n
MikeC
I'd gotten all the service records for this car when I purchased it in July 1975. There is/was no reference to replacing a mirror. The two references to the later style mirror in this thread correlate to what is shown in the Dr. Johnson 914 Authenticity Guide. I have never changed it.
Paul
Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 3 2012, 11:49 PM
QUOTE(Gustl @ Mar 3 2012, 09:34 PM)
original wheels should be 155SR15 - the ones on your car look much wider
Wolfgang, you got that even before I posted the side view.
Paul
Posted by: tod914 Mar 3 2012, 11:50 PM
Looks like a non DOT approved headlamp. Can't make out the manufacturer. Great thread btw.
Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 3 2012, 11:52 PM
QUOTE(tod914 @ Mar 3 2012, 09:50 PM)
Looks like a non DOT approved headlamp. Can't make out the manufacturer. Great thread btw.
Yes indeed, H/L update., Cibie H-4s.
Paul
Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 3 2012, 11:55 PM
This is an ez change to spot.....
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Posted by: SirAndy Mar 4 2012, 12:36 AM
QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Mar 3 2012, 09:55 PM)
This is an ez change to spot.....
Well, i'm no expert, but i think the wheels should be steelies?
Posted by: sixerdon Mar 4 2012, 10:09 AM
QUOTE(SirAndy @ Mar 3 2012, 10:36 PM)
QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Mar 3 2012, 09:55 PM)
This is an ez change to spot.....
Well, i'm no expert, but i think the wheels should be steelies?
4-1/2" steelies w/ 155's to be exact as previously mentioned.........and check that mirror again. The mirror on my Jan '70 /6 measures 1-7/8" from top to bottom of frame at center point.
Don
Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 4 2012, 12:20 PM
QUOTE(sixerdon @ Mar 4 2012, 08:09 AM)
QUOTE(SirAndy @ Mar 3 2012, 10:36 PM)
QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Mar 3 2012, 09:55 PM)
This is an ez change to spot.....
Well, i'm no expert, but i think the wheels should be steelies?
4-1/2" steelies w/ 155's to be exact as previously mentioned.........and check that mirror again. The mirror on my Jan '70 /6 measures 1-7/8" from top to bottom of frame at center point.
Don
wheels: yes, when I bought the car, it had 4.5" steel wheels w/155SR15s AND slotted aluminum trim rings surrounding the hubcaps. The attached pic is not my car, but shows the wheel cover configuration (although the hubcaps did not have VW logos on them).
mirror: at center point, my mirror measures 2.75", so I guess it could be a later mirror. I've never changed it and the original service records for the car do not indicate any mirror replacement, so ?????
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Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 4 2012, 12:28 PM
another ez change to identify.....
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Posted by: 6freak Mar 4 2012, 12:37 PM
lenses and the 914 badge seems wrong ...shouldnt it read 1.7?
fun stuff
MikeC
Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 4 2012, 12:39 PM
Euro lenses were added by me back in the 70s.
The 914 emblem is correct by itself.
Paul
Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 4 2012, 12:50 PM
since we are at the rear, let's look in the trunk.....,...(though there's not much to see inside)
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Posted by: Gustl Mar 4 2012, 12:51 PM
QUOTE(6freak @ Mar 4 2012, 07:37 PM)
914 badge seems wrong ...shouldnt it read 1.7?
the early cars were badged "914" or "914-6" ... no further specification was nescessary
with the introduction of the 2-Liter they started to use badges "914 1.7" and "914 2.0" (and later "914 1.8")
Posted by: Gustl Mar 4 2012, 12:52 PM
the rubber caps at the domes are missing ...
Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 4 2012, 01:00 PM
QUOTE(Gustl @ Mar 4 2012, 10:52 AM)
the rubber caps at the domes are missing ...
The car never had them @ delivery. Later photos will also illustrate an absence of certain things.
Posted by: 6freak Mar 4 2012, 01:11 PM
QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Mar 4 2012, 11:00 AM)
QUOTE(Gustl @ Mar 4 2012, 10:52 AM)
the rubber caps at the domes are missing ...
The car never had them @ delivery. Later photos will also illustrate an absence of certain things.
I have some extras if ya want them ...rubber caps ...but i better make sure my Brother has two before i give them away.....I learned something today bout the stinking badges
MikeC.....and a felt marker will make that jack look new like the rest of the car
Posted by: unpolire Mar 4 2012, 01:18 PM
Is this an unrestored car? Rust free and original paint?
Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 4 2012, 01:32 PM
QUOTE(unpolire @ Mar 4 2012, 11:18 AM)
Is this an unrestored car? Rust free and original paint?
It is rust free now, has been repainted to OEM color (L11E, Canary yellow), and I don't know what you'd call what I had done....a restoration, a sympathetic restoration, a refurbishment, a resurrection, a re-freshening?
This is what it looked like before........
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Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 4 2012, 01:51 PM
as there wasn't really all that much in the rear trunk with the only concern dealing with the rubber caps that were never there to begin with, let's go to the other end of the car and look inside the front lid.
please disregard the foam pieces under the spare......they are there to keep the rubber from marring and staining the paint.
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Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 4 2012, 01:54 PM
sides....
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Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 4 2012, 01:56 PM
ID #s in trunk
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Posted by: 6freak Mar 4 2012, 02:14 PM
interesting place for the tow loop
Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 4 2012, 02:21 PM
QUOTE(6freak @ Mar 4 2012, 12:14 PM)
interesting place for the tow loop
always thought that's what those threaded spots were for, as there really isn't any room in the tool roll for it.
Paul
Posted by: 6freak Mar 4 2012, 03:48 PM
QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Mar 4 2012, 12:21 PM)
QUOTE(6freak @ Mar 4 2012, 12:14 PM)
interesting place for the tow loop
always thought that's what those threaded spots were for, as there really isn't any room in the tool roll for it.
Paul
those are the welded in nuts for the suspension ...but hey it works ... i see no other changes in front trunk
Posted by: Pat Garvey Mar 4 2012, 04:15 PM
QUOTE(6freak @ Mar 4 2012, 01:37 PM)
lenses and the 914 badge seems wrong ...shouldnt it read 1.7?
fun stuff
MikeC
They didn't add the "1.7" until MY73
Posted by: Gustl Mar 4 2012, 04:16 PM
now it's definitely clear that the Pedrinis were added later
this one is a MY'73 Pedrini
Posted by: SirAndy Mar 4 2012, 04:16 PM
QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Mar 4 2012, 10:55 AM)
without the carpet (w/ stain that I can't get out)
The seam sealer around the rear shock towers does not look original. It should have been sprayed on, not brushed.
Posted by: Gustl Mar 4 2012, 04:19 PM
it the VIN tag (the bigger one) original or repro?
the VIN looks more like engraved that hammered in - but difficult to tell from that pic ...
Posted by: sixerdon Mar 4 2012, 04:26 PM
QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Mar 4 2012, 11:00 AM)
QUOTE(Gustl @ Mar 4 2012, 10:52 AM)
the rubber caps at the domes are missing ...
The car never had them @ delivery. Later photos will also illustrate an absence of certain things.
I agree. Contrary to Dr. Johnson's book, they were added at least a year later or more. Mine did not come with it. Many photo's of the day show the tops of the threaded shocks without the rubber cap. However, they do tidy up the trunk.
Also, note the correct position for installing the jack.
Don
Posted by: porbmw Mar 4 2012, 05:26 PM
QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Mar 3 2012, 09:46 PM)
QUOTE(6freak @ Mar 3 2012, 09:17 PM)
such as the wrong valance and rear view mirror ..and of course the LP..Ill keep look n
MikeC
I'd gotten all the service records for this car when I purchased it in July 1975. There is/was no reference to replacing a mirror. The two references to the later style mirror in this thread correlate to what is shown in the Dr. Johnson 914 Authenticity Guide. I have never changed it.
Paul
This is a good thread...I've already picked up on a couple of points.
RE the interior mirror, they were/are prone to fall off, and easy to stick a newer one on.
There are a few out there, but be careful, I bought a very nice one from a pretty high volume vendor who deals in Porsche parts, only to figure out it was not Porsche...looked pretty close
You have a big score re the porthole rear valance, sure don't see them around
Nice car
Paul
Posted by: 6freak Mar 4 2012, 05:45 PM
QUOTE(Pat Garvey @ Mar 4 2012, 02:15 PM)
QUOTE(6freak @ Mar 4 2012, 01:37 PM)
lenses and the 914 badge seems wrong ...shouldnt it read 1.7?
fun stuff
MikeC
They didn't add the "1.7" until MY73
MY73
Good catch on the valance appears to be a six valance but the hole seems a little more to the right then a six ...O the jack is supposed to have a piece of foam rubber stuff under it on the finder not the trunk floor
MikeC
Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Mar 4 2012, 06:19 PM
QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Mar 4 2012, 10:50 AM)
since we are at the rear, let's look in the trunk.....,...(though there's not much to see inside)
Is this the original trunk carpet? At least the later cars have a grommet for the spare tire tie down...not sure about earlier cars.
Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Mar 4 2012, 06:24 PM
QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Mar 4 2012, 11:54 AM)
sides....
The white plastic edge protection is missing from the large hole edges in the front long braces.
Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 4 2012, 07:28 PM
QUOTE
those are the welded in nuts for the suspension ...but hey it works ... i see no other changes in front trunk
Interesting, I didn't know that the suspension points were visible into the front trunk.
Paul
Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 4 2012, 07:39 PM
QUOTE(SirAndy @ Mar 4 2012, 02:16 PM)
QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Mar 4 2012, 10:55 AM)
without the carpet (w/ stain that I can't get out)
The seam sealer around the rear shock towers does not look original. It should have been sprayed on, not brushed.
Sir Andy,
I understand that the early production cars had the seam sealer applied by hand with a brush, rather than the typically seen, later style sprayed app.
The accompanying pic shows the rear trunk
before restoration.
Paul
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Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 4 2012, 07:43 PM
QUOTE(Gustl @ Mar 4 2012, 02:19 PM)
it the VIN tag (the bigger one) original or repro?
the VIN looks more like engraved that hammered in - but difficult to tell from that pic ...
Wolfgang,
Everything is OEM, the sides of the front trunk have never been touched, only the floor was redone.
Paul
Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 4 2012, 08:17 PM
QUOTE(6freak @ Mar 4 2012, 03:45 PM)
QUOTE(Pat Garvey @ Mar 4 2012, 02:15 PM)
QUOTE(6freak @ Mar 4 2012, 01:37 PM)
lenses and the 914 badge seems wrong ...shouldnt it read 1.7?
fun stuff
MikeC
They didn't add the "1.7" until MY73
MY73
Good catch on the valance appears to be a six valance but the hole seems a little more to the right then a six ...O the jack is supposed to have a piece of foam rubber stuff under it on the finder not the trunk floor
MikeC
Mike,
There is a piece of felt that matches the trunk material located on the side, just where the end of the jack point almost touches it. The pre-resto photo shows it better.
The valance is an early /4 valence.
Paul
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Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 4 2012, 08:21 PM
QUOTE(Jeff Bowlsby @ Mar 4 2012, 04:19 PM)
QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Mar 4 2012, 10:50 AM)
since we are at the rear, let's look in the trunk.....,...(though there's not much to see inside)
Is this the original trunk carpet? At least the later cars have a grommet for the spare tire tie down...not sure about earlier cars.
Carpet is original.
Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 4 2012, 08:22 PM
QUOTE(Jeff Bowlsby @ Mar 4 2012, 04:24 PM)
QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Mar 4 2012, 11:54 AM)
sides....
The white plastic edge protection is missing from the large hole edges in the front long braces.
Jeff,
Car never had them.
Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 4 2012, 08:36 PM
QUOTE(Gustl @ Mar 4 2012, 02:16 PM)
now it's definitely clear that the Pedrinis were added later
this one is a MY'73 Pedrini
Wolfgang, once again you are correct. The mfg mark on the back side of the wheels indicate an 06/72 manufacturing date.
Paul
Posted by: 6freak Mar 4 2012, 08:52 PM
QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Mar 4 2012, 06:17 PM)
QUOTE(6freak @ Mar 4 2012, 03:45 PM)
QUOTE(Pat Garvey @ Mar 4 2012, 02:15 PM)
QUOTE(6freak @ Mar 4 2012, 01:37 PM)
lenses and the 914 badge seems wrong ...shouldnt it read 1.7?
fun stuff
MikeC
They didn't add the "1.7" until MY73
MY73
Good catch on the valance appears to be a six valance but the hole seems a little more to the right then a six ...O the jack is supposed to have a piece of foam rubber stuff under it on the finder not the trunk floor......
MikeC
Mike,
There is a piece of felt that matches the trunk material located on the side, just where the end of the jack point almost touches it. The pre-resto photo shows it better.
The valance is an early /4 valence.
Paul
not what i was look n at and never seen anything in that area ...is it a stock piece.......the one i was talk n about gos on the finder just under the top of the jack ....mite be something PO put on mine to help protect the paint ....the earlie 4 bangers had a port hole valance ....I did not know that ...i thought it was only the 6 model...still learn n
whats MY73.??.... Manufacturing Year 1973
MikeC
Posted by: Gustl Mar 4 2012, 11:11 PM
QUOTE(6freak @ Mar 5 2012, 03:52 AM)
whats MY73.??.... Manufacturing Year 1973
modely year '73 => that's from August 1972 up to July 1973
Posted by: 6freak Mar 5 2012, 08:15 AM
QUOTE(6freak @ Mar 4 2012, 06:52 PM)
QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Mar 4 2012, 06:17 PM)
QUOTE(6freak @ Mar 4 2012, 03:45 PM)
QUOTE(Pat Garvey @ Mar 4 2012, 02:15 PM)
QUOTE(6freak @ Mar 4 2012, 01:37 PM)
lenses and the 914 badge seems wrong ...shouldnt it read 1.7?
fun stuff
MikeC
They didn't add the "1.7" until MY73
MY73
Good catch on the valance appears to be a six valance but the hole seems a little more to the right then a six ...O the jack is supposed to have a piece of foam rubber stuff under it on the finder not the trunk floor......
MikeC
Mike,
There is a piece of felt that matches the trunk material located on the side, just where the end of the jack point almost touches it. The pre-resto photo shows it better.
The valance is an early /4 valence.
Paul
not what i was look n at and never seen anything in that area ...is it a stock piece.......the one i was talk n about gos on the finder just under the top of the jack ....mite be something PO put on mine to help protect the paint ....the earlie 4 bangers had a port hole valance ....I did not know that ...i thought it was only the 6 model...still learn n
whats MY73.??.... Manufacturing Year 1973
MikeC
and the O ring is missing from the top of the jack as well...noticed i have one on mine last night
Posted by: sixerdon Mar 5 2012, 05:12 PM
Confirming Paul's comments......
Rear trunk carpets came without the grommets in MY '70 & '71. Maybe '72 prior to moving the jack?
The plastic edge protectors in the front trunk holes were not installed on early cars. Not sure when they first appeared. They are on my '75.
The seam sealer on my Jan '70 /6 was also brushed on. A very light application much like Paul's. My 'March '70 /6 has all appearances of being sprayed on.
The small piece of "trunk material" or carpet/felt near the jack spur is glued to the side of the fender. Both of my /6's and my '71 /4 parts car all have/had this piece. AFAIK, that piece was always installed with the early jacks and can be seen in owner's manuals of the era. Over the years they fell off and/or was discarded. IMO, this is a small but important detail on all /6's and /4's that can easily be missed.
The towing eye on /6's was stored in it's own pouch in the /6 tool kit. The /4 eyes ended up anywhere in the car. Probably why so many were lost.
Hope this helps.
Don
Posted by: Pat Garvey Mar 5 2012, 05:49 PM
QUOTE(6freak @ Mar 4 2012, 06:45 PM)
QUOTE(Pat Garvey @ Mar 4 2012, 02:15 PM)
QUOTE(6freak @ Mar 4 2012, 01:37 PM)
lenses and the 914 badge seems wrong ...shouldnt it read 1.7?
fun stuff
MikeC
They didn't add the "1.7" until MY73
MY73
Good catch on the valance appears to be a six valance but the hole seems a little more to the right then a six ...O the jack is supposed to have a piece of foam rubber stuff under it on the finder not the trunk floor
MikeC
The early fours HAD the snowplow valance (thru MY72). There was a specific one for 4's and 6's. They are extremely rare - took me six years to find a replacement for my 72. It is real,unmodified, and definitely NOT bogus.
Posted by: Pat Garvey Mar 5 2012, 05:52 PM
QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Mar 4 2012, 08:39 PM)
QUOTE(SirAndy @ Mar 4 2012, 02:16 PM)
QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Mar 4 2012, 10:55 AM)
without the carpet (w/ stain that I can't get out)
The seam sealer around the rear shock towers does not look original. It should have been sprayed on, not brushed.
Sir Andy,
I understand that the early production cars had the seam sealer applied by hand with a brush, rather than the typically seen, later style sprayed app.
The accompanying pic shows the rear trunk
before restoration.
Paul
Agree with this! Brush was used on early cars. Not certain when the change was made, but my late 72 definitely was sprayed.
Posted by: Pat Garvey Mar 5 2012, 05:56 PM
Good on ya Paul! We should do more of these & never, ever nail anything.
Pat
Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 5 2012, 06:38 PM
Before we go inside to the passenger compartment and engine bay, we will review the cowl area. Remember, this is a fairly early production car so there is a least one thing "missing" that later cars had installed.
First an overview.......
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Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 5 2012, 06:40 PM
detail, outside.......
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Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 5 2012, 06:41 PM
w/s washer bottle side.....
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Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 5 2012, 06:42 PM
along the centerline......
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Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 5 2012, 06:44 PM
brake reservoir side....
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Posted by: sixerdon Mar 5 2012, 09:16 PM
QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Mar 5 2012, 04:40 PM)
detail, outside.......
Confirmed there was no screen below the grill on early cars through '72, I believe.
Here's a question for you, Paul.........are those nuts on the wiper arm black or natural alum color?
Don
Posted by: SirAndy Mar 5 2012, 09:45 PM
QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Mar 4 2012, 05:39 PM)
QUOTE(SirAndy @ Mar 4 2012, 02:16 PM)
QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Mar 4 2012, 10:55 AM)
without the carpet (w/ stain that I can't get out)
The seam sealer around the rear shock towers does not look original. It should have been sprayed on, not brushed.
Sir Andy,
I understand that the early production cars had the seam sealer applied by hand with a brush, rather than the typically seen, later style sprayed app.
The accompanying pic shows the rear trunk
before restoration.
Paul
My '70 /4 has the seam sealer sprayed on ...
Anyone know when they switched? Must have been somewhat early in '70.
Posted by: tod914 Mar 6 2012, 01:18 PM
Paul, I don't know enough about the 70 model year to be certian about some front trunk differences than in post 70, but a few things that jump out on me are; 1. No label on the gas tank evaporator 2. Silver painted gas strap hardware instead of yellow cad plated 3. Gas tank with spot for charcol canister (I guess the tank was designed with the idea to accomodate the canister in the future?) 4. Brake fluid resevoir and cap are different than mid & late year cars. Your car looks fantastic btw Paul. Top notch job on the paint and body work.
Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 6 2012, 07:34 PM
Don,
You noticed the lack of a screen , yet another "missing" item on early cars. And there is another "omission" further on in this thread, as we shall see (or not see as the case may be).
The nuts for the wiper arms are natural metal (I'm supposing aluminum).
Sir Andy,
Years ago, before the resto on this car, I took the 914 into a respected body shop that specialized in 356s and early, air-cooled VWs. As the owner/main body man evaluated the car, he inspected the rear trunk and pronounced that this (my 914) was an early production model because the seam sealer was obviously hand applied with a brush, and a rather meager application at that.
That was the very first time that I even noticed that anomily. That was also prior to my participating in any 914 Forums. Later, through these same Forums, I've heard accounts of similar hand application of seam sealer on early cars. As to when the folks in Osnabruck started spraying the sealer on seems to be one of those questions that can only be answered by examining MY70 cars and comparing build dates on chassis #s.
Todd,
No labels ever in the cowl, not even on the w/s washer bottle.
The fuel tank strap has always been silver.
There has never been a charcoal canister on this car (an early 49 state example)
Yes, I understand later 914s had a slightly different brake fluid reservoir.
For comparison purposes, here are some pics PRE-RESTO of the cowl area:
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Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 6 2012, 07:39 PM
AARGH
I just now noticed......................I did have a sticker on the w/s washer bottle.
I wonder if an early one is available
Posted by: SirAndy Mar 6 2012, 09:45 PM
QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Mar 6 2012, 05:39 PM)
I did have a sticker on the w/s washer bottle.
Look in the car, it might just have fallen off ...
Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 9 2012, 09:39 PM
looking inside.......
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Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 9 2012, 09:40 PM
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Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 9 2012, 09:43 PM
from another angle......
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Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 9 2012, 09:45 PM
dashboard fascia
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Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 9 2012, 09:46 PM
and....
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Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 9 2012, 09:47 PM
seats
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Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 9 2012, 09:48 PM
center tray.....
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Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 9 2012, 09:50 PM
interior light
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Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 9 2012, 09:51 PM
recepticle for the drivers' side (only) seatbelt
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Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 9 2012, 09:54 PM
early top, w/o headliner
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Posted by: Gustl Mar 9 2012, 11:40 PM
obviously the steering wheel is not factory original,
as well as the knob between the headlight switch and the emergency flasher switch
Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 10 2012, 12:09 AM
QUOTE(Gustl @ Mar 9 2012, 09:40 PM)
obviously the steering wheel is not factory original,
as well as the knob between the headlight switch and the emergency flasher switch
The steering wheel
is period correct
. I changed the wheel shortly after buying the car because the leather on the OEM wheel was deteriorating and the thicker, smaller diameter wheel felt better when I autocrossed the car back in the '70s and '80s.
The fog light switch is "original" to a point. It comes with a story. The car was ordered with the "appearance package". It arrived in late March 1970 with chrome bumpers, vinyl on the rollbar, leather wrapped steering wheel, dual horns, but
without fog lights and the tethered passenger footrest. It also came with 4.5" wheels instead of the 5.5" wheels, (both sizes steel, of course).
The dealer installed the fog lights and the switch for them. I've been advised on this Forum that the fog light switch
is correct, but that it is missing the cover and the rubber surrounding it. Since that is the way it was delivered originally, I've left it alone. A small anomilie, yes. And a good catch on your part, Wolfgang.
Paul
Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 14 2012, 07:28 PM
I suppose some photos of the engine compartment are in order to finish this thread. Getting really good pics within the confines of the engine bay is always a challenge. Remember, this is a 1970/4.
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Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 14 2012, 07:30 PM
more....
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Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 14 2012, 07:31 PM
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Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 14 2012, 07:38 PM
These last two pics show the engine cover removed and incorrect heater blower hose. The correct hose was installed subsequent to when these photos were taken.
Also of note, the oil bath orientation was corrected to what was illustrated previously.
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Posted by: Jasfsmith Mar 15 2012, 11:27 AM
Missing rubber band to hold the battery cover down. Also I didn't see the rubber retained at the lever end of the jack.
Posted by: Jasfsmith Mar 15 2012, 11:29 AM
QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Mar 9 2012, 11:39 PM)
looking inside.......
Missing the plug that covers the armrest attachment screw. Yes?
Posted by: Jasfsmith Mar 15 2012, 11:33 AM
QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Mar 9 2012, 11:47 PM)
seats
Seat belt safety manufacture labels missing.
Damn nice car BTW.
Posted by: Jasfsmith Mar 15 2012, 11:36 AM
QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Mar 4 2012, 01:55 AM)
This is an ez change to spot.....
Wrong tire profile.
VERY nice car.
Maybe I missed it. What color are the front hood to hinge bolts?
Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 15 2012, 07:58 PM
QUOTE(Jasfsmith @ Mar 15 2012, 09:27 AM)
Missing rubber band to hold the battery cover down. Also I didn't see the rubber retained at the lever end of the jack.
The missing rubber band for the battery cover......wasn't on when I purchased the car in 1975. The rubber retainer for the jack disintegrated long ago.
The list of unobtainium parts grows......
1-early rain tray
2-holster (sheath, or recepticle) for drivers side seatbelt
3-rubber band for early battery cover
4-rubber retainer(s) for early jack
Paul
Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 15 2012, 08:03 PM
QUOTE(Jasfsmith @ Mar 15 2012, 09:29 AM)
QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Mar 9 2012, 11:39 PM)
looking inside.......
Missing the plug that covers the armrest attachment screw. Yes?
Don't recall ever seeing them on the armrest, but it would seem that there would be something covering the screws. Hmmmmm, more missing minutia.
Paul
Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 15 2012, 08:14 PM
QUOTE(Jasfsmith @ Mar 15 2012, 09:33 AM)
QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Mar 9 2012, 11:47 PM)
seats
Seat belt safety manufacture labels missing.
The labels became frayed and torn and ragged looking, so I removed them completely.
The front trunk hinge bolts are "finished" like the front latch bolts, cadmium, I presume....
Paul
Posted by: Jasfsmith Mar 16 2012, 07:28 AM
QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Mar 15 2012, 09:58 PM)
QUOTE(Jasfsmith @ Mar 15 2012, 09:27 AM)
Missing rubber band to hold the battery cover down. Also I didn't see the rubber retained at the lever end of the jack.
The missing rubber band for the battery cover......wasn't on when I purchased the car in 1975. The rubber retainer for the jack disintegrated long ago.
The list of unobtainium parts grows......
1-early rain tray
2-holster (sheath, or recepticle) for drivers side seatbelt
3-rubber band for early battery cover
4-rubber retainer(s) for early jack
Paul
AA has the rubber band for the early battery cover last I checked.
Not OEM but take a piece of the battery acid pads and cut it to the profile of the battery cover, and insert it in to the underside of the cover before clamping it to the battery with the rubber band. Any spills and vapors are caught by the pad and keeps the battery clean of acid.
Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 16 2012, 05:48 PM
QUOTE(Jasfsmith @ Mar 16 2012, 05:28 AM)
AA has the rubber band for the early battery cover last I checked.
Not OEM but take a piece of the battery acid pads and cut it to the profile of the battery cover, and insert it in to the underside of the cover before clamping it to the battery with the rubber band. Any spills and vapors are caught by the pad and keeps the battery clean of acid.
Interesting hint,....is that something you have done to keep your PCA Parade winning 914 looking nice in the engine compartment?
I've never been able to visualize how the "rubber band" fastens the early battery cover
Care to expound on that topic James? I have never seen it in person
or illustrated.
Thanks for the tips.
Paul
Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 16 2012, 06:07 PM
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MikeC
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and the O ring is missing from the top of the jack as well...noticed i have one on mine last night
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this is the rubber and O-ring i spoke of
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I don't ever recall seeing that before uh.....what's it for? and how can I ever hope to obtain one? Thanks for the "catch".
Paul
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its the only one i have seen like this ...note sure if is stock ..its to protect from paint chips and the O -ring was supposed to keep the jack from making contact with the body when jacking up the car..so i have been told
MikeC
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A very curious concept that makes sense, but one I've never heard of before. The first (and only owner besides me) of my car told me that when the car was delivered on 01 April 1970, there was no cover over the relay board! That the relay board would not have a cover on it, as it is exposed to a rather harsh environment, but the engineers would "spec" a rubber O-ring on the jack to protect the paint......
The aforementioned previous owner also told me that his (now mine) 914 was delivered w/o the curious tethered footrest, hence I've never retrofitted said item.
These early cars were full of anomilies, both /4s and /6s.
Thanks for the feedback.
Paul
Posted by: Pat Garvey Mar 16 2012, 06:29 PM
QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Mar 16 2012, 05:48 PM)
QUOTE(Jasfsmith @ Mar 16 2012, 05:28 AM)
AA has the rubber band for the early battery cover last I checked.
Not OEM but take a piece of the battery acid pads and cut it to the profile of the battery cover, and insert it in to the underside of the cover before clamping it to the battery with the rubber band. Any spills and vapors are caught by the pad and keeps the battery clean of acid.
Interesting hint,....is that something you have done to keep your PCA Parade winning 914 looking nice in the engine compartment?
I've never been able to visualize how the "rubber band" fastens the early battery cover
Care to expound on that topic James? I have never seen it in person
or illustrated.
Thanks for the tips.
Paul
I'm embarrased to admit that I don't rmember how it fits either. Haven't had a working battery in the 914 in six years.
Posted by: Jasfsmith Mar 17 2012, 08:55 AM
QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Mar 16 2012, 07:48 PM)
QUOTE(Jasfsmith @ Mar 16 2012, 05:28 AM)
AA has the rubber band for the early battery cover last I checked.
Not OEM but take a piece of the battery acid pads and cut it to the profile of the battery cover, and insert it in to the underside of the cover before clamping it to the battery with the rubber band. Any spills and vapors are caught by the pad and keeps the battery clean of acid.
Interesting hint,....is that something you have done to keep your PCA Parade winning 914 looking nice in the engine compartment?
I've never been able to visualize how the "rubber band" fastens the early battery cover
Care to expound on that topic James? I have never seen it in person
or illustrated.
Thanks for the tips.
Paul
Just remember to remove the pad during a serious Concours event.
The rubber band is round rather than flat in cross section. It slips on to the battery just below the battery's top. At each end of the battery the band is streched up to clip onto the cover.
Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 17 2012, 09:02 PM
QUOTE(Jasfsmith @ Mar 15 2012, 09:36 AM)
Maybe I missed it. What color are the front hood to hinge bolts?
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Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 17 2012, 09:05 PM
I should have included this earlier with the engine photos.......
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Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 17 2012, 09:08 PM
and beneath the lid, barely hanging on, badly in need of replacement.......
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Posted by: pete000 Mar 18 2012, 12:48 AM
QUOTE(SirAndy @ Mar 6 2012, 08:45 PM)
QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Mar 6 2012, 05:39 PM)
I did have a sticker on the w/s washer bottle.
Look in the car, it might just have fallen off ...
I found my washer bottle decal under the tanks when I pulled the tank out !
Posted by: pete000 Mar 18 2012, 12:56 AM
No vent screen on the early cars... Humm, this must explain why my early 1970 #131 six has no screen ! Glad I did not go throught the trouble putting one in !
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