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Posted by: McMark Jul 16 2012, 10:43 PM

This one got posted on Facebook recently, the original poster speculated 1969, and the body color bumpers on the 914s supports that. Rear lights look Euro spec to me.


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Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jul 17 2012, 12:17 AM

Not very many production line photos that I know of. Here's 1




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Posted by: sixerdon Jul 17 2012, 08:15 AM

The above picture is from the centerfold of the June, 1970 Christophorus, Porsche's factory magazine, which is published in German every other month (Jan, Mar, May, Jul, Sep, Nov), then interpreted in English on the even months for distribution for English speaking countries. The photo was taken about March for the May issue in German first, then interpreted for the English June issue.
The detail is great! You can actually read the tachometer red line which shows it to be at 5600 rpm. If one wants a copy, just remember that Porsche owns the copyright..........and you know they are very sensitive on copyright infringement. It's best to buy your own issue. Every now and then a June copy will pop up on ebay,....... buy it. It's very cool in a frame!
Don

Posted by: nathansnathan Jul 17 2012, 04:44 PM

some more

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Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Aug 4 2012, 09:43 PM

Note the early rear bumpers in this photo.....


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Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Aug 4 2012, 09:48 PM

I think my car is in this pic biggrin.gif


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Posted by: Thestigz06 Aug 5 2012, 02:31 AM

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I think my car is in this pic biggrin.gif

so many subie swaps, so little time! piratenanner.gif

Posted by: mepstein Aug 5 2012, 05:58 AM

Many euro cars without the side marker lights.
Picture #6 is getting pre-conditioned for rust. sad.gif

Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Aug 5 2012, 11:19 AM

It is interesting to note that the white 914 in the foreground appears to have outside mirrors mounted on both sides of the car.

Also of note what seems like an almost total lack of radio antenna.

Paul


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Posted by: mepstein Aug 5 2012, 11:24 AM

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It is interesting to note that the white 914 in the foreground appears to have outside mirrors mounted on both sides of the car.

Also of note what seems like an almost total lack of radio antenna.

Paul


I don't see wiper blades.

Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Aug 5 2012, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Aug 5 2012, 01:19 PM) *

It is interesting to note that the white 914 in the foreground appears to have outside mirrors mounted on both sides of the car.

Also of note what seems like an almost total lack of radio antenna.

Paul


I don't see wiper blades.



Maybe in the trunk with the hubcaps? idea.gif

As I further examine the pic, the second white car has PORSCHE lettering on the engine grille; that one might be going to the US.

Posted by: rnellums Aug 5 2012, 02:51 PM

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Also of note what seems like an almost total lack of radio antenna.

Paul

Weren't antennas Dealer installed?

Posted by: jsayre914 Aug 5 2012, 03:39 PM

this one


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Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Aug 5 2012, 06:37 PM

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Also of note what seems like an almost total lack of radio antenna.

Paul

Weren't antennas Dealer installed?


The 6th car back in the row on the left (orange) looks like it has an antenna installed.


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Posted by: rjames Aug 6 2012, 01:24 PM

Love that they are sitting outside in the rain. They were rusting before they were ever sold to anyone. biggrin.gif

Posted by: kwlane Aug 6 2012, 01:46 PM

Why do some not have vinyl on the sail area? The blue on in front and a white one on the train. Awesome photos!

Posted by: nathansnathan Aug 6 2012, 05:30 PM

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Why do some not have vinyl on the sail area? The blue on in front and a white one on the train. Awesome photos!

They're npn-appearance group. You can see the white one's body-colored bumper. That's how the early ones came stock, though most were up-sold to chrome and vinyl.

Seems they got wiper arms and hubcaps pretty late in the process.

Posted by: kwlane Aug 6 2012, 10:50 PM

The non-apperance group looks better now than the more upscale ones.

Posted by: Eric_Shea Aug 7 2012, 07:20 AM

...to some maybe. smile.gif

Posted by: scotty b Aug 7 2012, 09:13 PM

Is the blue one in the foreground missing the rollbar trim or is it painted body color ?? confused24.gif

Posted by: bulitt Aug 8 2012, 05:12 AM

The ride height is fairly high.
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Posted by: pete000 Aug 11 2012, 12:29 AM



First factory picture of an installed right side mirror I have ever seen!

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Posted by: nathansnathan Aug 12 2012, 10:50 AM

This one is kind of relevant.
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I ocr text converted and then google translated it

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An impressive fleet of white VW-Porsche will continue to be the pride of North Rhine-Westphalia police.

VW-Porsche for the police

Crooks love fast cars. The police makes things difficult, because in the prosecution of offenders, they often can not keep up with them. North Rhine-Westphalia law enforcement officials will in future have it better. An impressive fleet of snow-white VW-Porsche 914 is designed to enable them. the auto-alignment of the villains thwart.

On 9 November were ready, the first twenty of the fast-Polizel racer in vehicle delivery to the Narupstraße. Officials in North Rhine-Westphalian Polizel acquisitions after a short introduction to smart car and walked with them in rapid succession on the trip to Dortmund. Of course, the new vehicles are not yet ready for use immediately. In the central police workshops they have to yet to be equipped, they make proper use of cars with those attributes. Blue light. Martin Horn and Funksprechgerat belong to self-evident. But the fast VW-Porsche will also receive a clearly visible mark from the air. FOr the con -. Traffic surveillance from the air and on large inserts. where even airplanes or helicopters take over, has shown itself useful

Officers could not wait to get behind the wheel of fast white car. She first had to undergo an initiation into the delivery vehicle in the proper treatment of the VW-Porsche 914 is over.

Posted by: larss Aug 20 2012, 03:21 AM

Not pictures but a film from 1971 showing different VW test tracks etc, not all about 914 but some 914's can be seen here and there. smile.gif
Prepare for a 33 minutes long watch!

/Lars S

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKRi01Z2TRY


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Posted by: SirAndy Aug 24 2012, 08:32 PM

Nice! smilie_pokal.gif

Posted by: OmaPossu Aug 24 2012, 11:31 PM

Tack! Det är rigtig 70 talet där och 914 var sport bil då smile.gif

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Also of note what seems like an almost total lack of radio antenna.

Paul

Weren't antennas Dealer installed?


The 6th car back in the row on the left (orange) looks like it has an antenna installed.


Looks like to me that the 914's on the train are being shipped around Europe while the lower ones are going to the US as they have the front puck lites and no hubcaps.

Posted by: SirAndy Sep 7 2012, 02:33 PM

Looks like the two pictures below were taken at the same time but from two different vantage points ...

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Posted by: Gustl Sep 7 2012, 03:36 PM

at least at the same place smilie_flagge6.gif

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at least at the same place smilie_flagge6.gif

Yepp ... smile.gif

- It's raining
- The trees have no leafs, so about the same time of year
- Train is parked in the same spot
- Top of train is full with all light colored cars
- Top of train cars all have hubcaps and no sidemarkers
- Bottom of train is full except the very last spot
- There's a dark colored car on the ramp driving into the last bottom spot
- The last car parked in the line ending by the second (-) sign is dark colored in both pictures

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Posted by: struckn Sep 10 2012, 06:48 PM

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Looks like the two pictures below were taken at the same time but from two different vantage points ...

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The cars on the ground have side reflector lights, where as the ones on the train do not. Didn't the cars sold in Europe come without the reflectors and the ones sent to the US have them?

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Doug

Posted by: SirAndy Sep 10 2012, 09:51 PM

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Didn't the cars sold in Europe come without the reflectors and the ones sent to the US have them?

And your point is? They still had to ship the Euro cars from Osnabrück all over, well, Europe ...
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Posted by: Pat Garvey Sep 11 2012, 07:16 PM

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QUOTE(SirAndy @ Sep 7 2012, 12:33 PM) *

Looks like the two pictures below were taken at the same time but from two different vantage points ...

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The cars on the ground have side reflector lights, where as the ones on the train do not. Didn't the cars sold in Europe come without the reflectors and the ones sent to the US have them?

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Doug

In response to your original questiom.......
Euro 914s had no side markers (reflectors in your terms).
US 914s DID have side markers - all of them! Plain and simple as that. Hope that answers your question.
Pat

Posted by: Gustl Sep 11 2012, 10:08 PM

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Euro 914s had no side markers (reflectors in your terms).


in general correct, but cars delivered to Italy had side markers too

Posted by: smg914 Sep 12 2012, 09:27 PM

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Looks like the two pictures below were taken at the same time but from two different vantage points ...

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Is that a passenger side mirror on the closest white 914? Hmmm, factory installed!!!

Posted by: Gustl Sep 12 2012, 10:05 PM

not that surprising confused24.gif

it was factory option M528 ...



Posted by: smg914 Sep 12 2012, 10:11 PM

Rarely seen on a factory deliverd US 914. I would love to see a window sticker showing passenger side view mirror. That would be cool!

Posted by: Nürburg Nomad Sep 13 2012, 12:36 AM

This thread is absolutely amazing! Cannot wait to see what other images may pop up... biggrin.gif

Posted by: larss Sep 13 2012, 01:44 AM

Track test probably in -69 and maybe not at the factory circuit. There seems to be a string or something hanging down under the car...?

/Lars S


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Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Sep 13 2012, 06:50 PM

Same photo "reversed"?


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Posted by: Michael N Sep 13 2012, 06:56 PM

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Track test probably in -69 and maybe not at the factory circuit. There seems to be a string or something hanging down under the car...?

/Lars S


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That is the factory oil drip simulator biggrin.gif .

Posted by: SirAndy Sep 13 2012, 07:38 PM

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Same photo "reversed"?

Yes. There's a old thread about that picture.

The large two page spread printed in DGVWPB has the image flipped but the large copy you posted above has been corrected. The smaller copy you posted is still flipped.

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Posted by: SirAndy Sep 13 2012, 07:41 PM

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Not very many production line photos that I know of. Here's 1

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Here's one from DGVWPB taken just seconds apart ...




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Posted by: SirAndy Sep 13 2012, 07:43 PM

This one will never rust:




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Posted by: SirAndy Sep 13 2012, 07:44 PM

And neither will this one:




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Posted by: SirAndy Sep 13 2012, 07:47 PM

Crashtest ...




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Posted by: SirAndy Sep 13 2012, 07:53 PM

Factory GTs in the making ...

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Posted by: sixerdon Sep 13 2012, 08:43 PM

So, the crash test vehicle was a six.........probably one of the prototypes?

Don

Posted by: SirAndy Sep 13 2012, 08:48 PM

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So, the crash test vehicle was a six.........probably one of the prototypes?

Yes, there are conflicting records as to how many exactly were used for crash testing but quite a few of the first 20 prototypes from '68 ended up that way ...
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Posted by: larss Sep 13 2012, 10:37 PM

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Track test probably in -69 and maybe not at the factory circuit. There seems to be a string or something hanging down under the car...?

/Lars S


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That is the factory oil drip simulator biggrin.gif .



I thought that maybe the "tent" (in nylon?) around the car added a lot of static electricity that they wanted to lead off...


/Lars S

Posted by: jhora Sep 23 2012, 10:01 AM

cool pics SirAndy.....Oh man to have access to those GT parts laying around in the third photo....look at those ventilated rear rotors sitting there

Posted by: nathansnathan Nov 7 2012, 02:26 PM

karmann stand at the Frankfurt Motor show 1973.
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These are from the Chicago Motor Show, but seem applicable here, 74 and I think 70 the other with the 6
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Posted by: scotty b Nov 16 2012, 09:29 PM

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Track test probably in -69 and maybe not at the factory circuit. There seems to be a string or something hanging down under the car...?

/Lars S


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That is the factory oil drip simulator biggrin.gif .



looks like something the 4077th would have used lol-2.gif

Posted by: lennyhope Jan 25 2013, 12:06 PM

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Rarely seen on a factory deliverd US 914. I would love to see a window sticker showing passenger side view mirror. That would be cool!


US bound car???

Those front turn signals on the foreground white car with 2 mirrors, seem to have lower wclear area as in a Euro spec front lens....Possibly Italian or other market. Italian cars had clear side markers BUT there was another market....can't remember which, that had amber side markers but a slightly different lens.....

Posted by: 914Sixer Jan 31 2013, 06:13 PM

914's bound for Japan had side marker lights too. Only they worked in the turn signal mode.

Posted by: nathansnathan Apr 17 2013, 03:07 PM

These go with the pics above, couldn't think of a better place to put them. These are from the Frankfort Motor Show, 1969.
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They are like brm hubcaps!
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Weird, looks like the battery is vented to the air filter???
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Posted by: SirAndy Apr 23 2013, 07:00 PM

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Weird, looks like the battery is vented to the air filter???

Nope, that's just new and shiny plastic sheathing over the second + wire loom.
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Weird, looks like the battery is vented to the air filter???

Nope, that's just new and shiny plastic sheathing over the second + wire loom.
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Ah, You are right, of course. I need to become more familiar with 914 wiring; I'm working my way from front to back. biggrin.gif

I still am wondering what that nub is on the air filter..

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Here are some pics from the engine bays thread of 1970 Neun vierzehn's very stock-looking (and super sweet - I must say I am deeply impressed smile.gif ) 1970 1.7 .
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-I'm not seeing what that could be...

The grey/white fan is pretty cool, too, in the Karmann pic.



Posted by: Pat Garvey Apr 24 2013, 06:44 PM

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These go with the pics above, couldn't think of a better place to put them. These are from the Frankfort Motor Show, 1969.
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They are like brm hubcaps!
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Weird, looks like the battery is vented to the air filter???
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OK, I am very confused! The drip tray looks like the later (post 73 version). How can that be?

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Weird, looks like the battery is vented to the air filter???

Nope, that's just new and shiny plastic sheathing over the second + wire loom.
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Ah, You are right, of course. I need to become more familiar with 914 wiring; I'm working my way from front to back. biggrin.gif

I still am wondering what that nub is on the air filter..

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-I'm not seeing what that could be...

The grey/white fan is pretty cool, too, in the Karmann pic.

Heater fan hoses are incorrect.

Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Apr 24 2013, 07:29 PM

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Heater fan hoses are incorrect.


That error has been corrected some time ago.......


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Posted by: nathansnathan May 6 2013, 03:12 PM

I have finally found some pics of the 4 cylinder engine production. They were made at Hanover. They aren't actually 914 motors since the exhaust is like for a 912e, but they are allegedly form August of 73 so? That's as good as I could find though, been looking awhile for these.

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And on the test track at Wolfsburg

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Posted by: Mr.242 Jul 17 2013, 02:55 PM

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These go with the pics above, couldn't think of a better place to put them. These are from the Frankfort Motor Show, 1969.
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Notice the felt cover over the fuel tank..... dry.gif

Is that Eric Shea standing there?

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These go with the pics above, couldn't think of a better place to put them. These are from the Frankfort Motor Show, 1969.
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Notice the felt cover over the fuel tank..... dry.gif

Is that Eric Shea standing there?

Love the wheel covers! Similar to those I got from Whitney in late '72. Thankfully, all of them fell of on the interstate!

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These go with the pics above, couldn't think of a better place to put them. These are from the Frankfort Motor Show, 1969.
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Notice the felt cover over the fuel tank..... dry.gif

Is that Eric Shea standing there?

Love the wheel covers! Similar to those I got from Whitney in late '72. Thankfully, all of them fell of on the interstate!

Oops,just realized those are 5 lugs wheel covers! Must have been special.

Posted by: McMark Jul 17 2013, 11:26 PM

Those engine pictures are AWESOME! They're definitely 914 engines. Three bolt heads are 914 2.0 only and the tins are 914 only. But the exhaust pictured in the last shot is 411/412 exhaust.

Posted by: scotty b Aug 31 2014, 02:55 PM

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Posted by: daytona Sep 13 2014, 04:41 PM

Super cool thread and photos. And I thought that I was the only crasy collecting photos. Good job.
Bill.

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Look at the Ghia photobombing this 914 group pic in the bottom right corner biggrin.gif

Posted by: TJB/914 Dec 23 2014, 03:23 PM

Factory official photo's


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Posted by: ddill Jan 9 2015, 04:58 PM

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Factory official photo's

I would clarify that these are Porsche+Audi North America PR photos of 1974 model. Note New Jersey license plates.

Posted by: nathansnathan Aug 21 2015, 03:32 PM

Tokyo auto show 1969 I think.
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Weird-looking front side markers. Also, the passenger door gap is really bad, like not fitting.

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Also, the passenger door gap is really bad, like not fitting.

Door isn't closed. You can clearly see that in the first pic ...
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Also, the passenger door gap is really bad, like not fitting.

Door isn't closed. You can clearly see that in the first pic ...
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I think you're right smile.gif -I have an early door that does that, like tweaks out at the bottom; thought it may have been something of an explanation or a precedent as I can't figure out what is off with it.

I wonder what the license plate says? Same as this one.
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Posted by: nathansnathan Aug 26 2015, 07:34 AM

Ah I got it, with google's kanji translator, it is "Porsche", "ポルシェ"

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Looks like the two pictures below were taken at the same time but from two different vantage points ...

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The cars on the ground have side reflector lights, where as the ones on the train do not. Didn't the cars sold in Europe come without the reflectors and the ones sent to the US have them?

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Doug

In response to your original questiom.......
Euro 914s had no side markers (reflectors in your terms).
US 914s DID have side markers - all of them! Plain and simple as that. Hope that answers your question.
Pat

Am I right in thinking...the side marker lights were US ...BUT weren't Japan and Sweden or Denmark given 'side markers' also, which were slightly different or more like just reflectors? And also, didnt Sweden/Denmark also get a passenger mirror as standard??

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Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Jun 11 2016, 05:59 PM

early prototype testing....or /8 testing.....or component testing... or ????


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Posted by: Ferg Jun 20 2016, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(nathansnathan @ Apr 17 2013, 02:07 PM) *

These go with the pics above, couldn't think of a better place to put them. These are from the Frankfort Motor Show, 1969.
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Notice the felt cover over the fuel tank..... dry.gif

Is that Eric Shea standing there?

Love the wheel covers! Similar to those I got from Whitney in late '72. Thankfully, all of them fell of on the interstate!



This may have been brought up before, but doesn't the sail trim look extra large in this picture?

Nevermind, just looked at the rest of the pics of this car, all is normal, must be light reflection.

Posted by: boxstr Jun 21 2016, 09:07 AM

It appears to be a reflection, making the trim look twice as thick.
Craig at CAMP

Posted by: McMark Sep 2 2017, 11:35 AM

Not factory, but historical. Stolen from Reddit. From 1973.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Porsche/comments/6xgy7o/porsche_meet_up_1973/?st=J73L8SWZ&sh=3621a0d6


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Posted by: nathanxnathan Dec 20 2022, 03:15 PM

Seems like a good place for this. Video quality improves at about 1 minute in. There's a lot of footage of testing at what I think is the test track at Ehra-Lessien.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKRi01Z2TRY


The test car looks a lot like mine, a 70 or 71 Tangerine (I think) standard equipment car. piratenanner.gif

Oops, looking back, I see Larss already posted that...

I was looking through my old computer, and came upon some screenshots I took from another video, that used to be up on a German site called Autobilt. It's gone now but it had some additional shots of 914's on the lot waiting for transport and some test track footage. I wish I could find the video again. I'm not sure if I could have got these higher res..

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